Guild Wars 2

Jayden Ennok.3687:

shimmerlessEU.6841:

Portal isn’t even remotely comparable to SR in terms of usefulness. It is a huge sacrifice on the Mesmer’s part (SR costs a Thief absolutely nothing). If I may be frank for a second, and without intention to divert the thread off-topic too much, Portal has really held the class back while SR has always been a painless option. It was the case back when “combat Portal” on a half minute cooldown used to exist and it’s still the same now.

Mesmer logic – all mesmers have is totally useless while our opponents are uber op and it requires a great deal of skill to kill anyone as a mesmer. Everyone should feel sorry for us and praise our persistence in playing such a underpowered class.

This is why mesmer posts are one of the most toxic ones and often lack any sense regarding class/skill balance.

Actually,I invite you to visit mesmer forums,maybe one of the most not-toxic subforum here.

Shadow Refuge is totally fine!

Me and my flamethrower engi laughing on it.

Me and my p/shield engi laughing on it.

Me and my hammer guard laughing on it.

It’s a well balanced skill in my opinion and no need to change it.
Thief combat mechanics are annoying sometimes askittenbut it’s how class is made – “Can’t kill? Stealth away.”

Why do mesmers complain so much? It’s like you guys are entitled to no counter class. I don’t see thieves complaining about burst/retaliation from guards and condi spam from engies.

lvis.3824:

One simple question to the OP, WHY do you want it to be nerfed ?

I’ve already wrote why, but I’ll say it again. I think it would open a broader range of possible team compositions.

shimmerlessEU.6841:

Please point out where in the post you’re quoting I said any of this utter nonsense? I assume I’ll be waiting a while?

I think it has something to do with comparing portal to shadow refuge, saying portal is utterly useless in comparison, and how you said the mesmer class is “held back” by portal. If anything, it’s “held back” by the almost mandatory decoy (which is a small portion of the reason why this tread exists). In the end though, you really ought to use less “flourish” in your posts. You might not get those types of responses in the future.

There could be a long discussion about portal on why, but the short answer is: It’s not.

endersluck.4708:

Why do mesmers complain so much? It’s like you guys are entitled to no counter class. I don’t see thieves complaining about burst/retaliation from guards and condi spam from engies.

I think at this point, I think Thieves are more concerned with staying under the nerfbat radar and/or trying to get buffs for the UP traits and utilities.

Chicago Jack.5647:

shimmerlessEU.6841:

Please point out where in the post you’re quoting I said any of this utter nonsense? I assume I’ll be waiting a while?

I think it has something to do with comparing portal to shadow refuge, saying portal is utterly useless in comparison, and how you said the mesmer class is “held back” by portal. If anything, it’s “held back” by the almost mandatory decoy (which is a small portion of the reason why this tread exists). In the end though, you really ought to use less “flourish” in your posts. You might not get those types of responses in the future.

There could be a long discussion about portal on why, but the short answer is: It’s not.

Oh goodness! That’s two people now who’ve put words in my mouth and radically spun a very brief post I made to suit their own ends. Can I ask where in the world I ever said that portal was utterly useless? Will I be waiting as long as I am for my answer from Jayden Ennok?

Decoy is not mandatory for tournament-level Mesmers by the way, nor has it ever been cited as a balance concern by the dev team. Portal has, in both respects. But of course why bother responding at all, this isn’t the first time the wise oracle Chicago Jack has dodged the question only never to be seen again. You promise so much knowledge on matters like these and deliver very little. If there’s any purpose to that last departing line other than such grandstanding I can’t see one.

shimmerlessEU.6841:

Oh goodness! That’s two people now who’ve put words in my mouth and radically spun a very brief post I made to suit their own ends. Can I ask where in the world I ever said that portal was utterly useless? Will I be waiting as long as I am for my answer from Jayden Ennok?

Decoy is not mandatory for tournament-level Mesmers by the way, nor has it ever been cited as a balance concern by the dev team. Portal has, in both respects. But of course why bother responding at all, this isn’t the first time the wise oracle Chicago Jack has dodged the question only never to be seen again. You promise so much knowledge on matters like these and deliver very little. If there’s any purpose to that last departing line other than such grandstanding I can’t see one.

You know, after trying to be so nice, I was going to write a whole jovial diatribe on you, Shimmerless (I hope I can keep up with your dramatic acting with this line: You do seem to get a kick out of it). In the end, it’s not worth it. So I take it back, I should have just let you soapbox like you always do. Ironically, I try to go out of my way to avoid angry to absolutely melodramatic posts. They serve very little to forward any type of conversation. And yet again, I find myself talking to a brick wall. Why do I do this to myself? The irony is beating me over my head with a mallet and it’s painful.

If you can’t see why people would consider your post (or others) overly dramatic, then I don’t think anyone can help you. Keep fighting the good fight, my defiant commander.

BTW: Shimmerless, you think of me as an “Oracle!?” Wow! I’m flattered, but I can assure you that I’m no more than an average dude with an opinion on the internet. Oh wait… you’re being overly dramatic again. Darn it! Got me again Shimmerless.

Actually, it’s pretty balanced. Knockback, fear, aoe damage, etc, work perfect against SR. In fact I would give SR a bit more radius so the thief can counterplay the SR’s counterplay by dodging (usually you don’t have that many dodges when using SR, so not a big change).