Guild Wars 2

People got used to eles and engi being free kills, and now that they have to exert the tiniest bit of effort and can’t just spam 1 anymore to kill them, they cry for nerfs. There are several hard counters for them that completely shut them down, people don’t want to adapt and expect to faceroll everything with the same build. “I don’t want to change my build even though doing so can completely make all of my opponent’s effort trivial and completely shut them down, so please nerf them so it’s easy for me again.” That’s all this is a case of.

Nikkinella.8254:

People got used to eles and engi being free kills, and now that they have to exert the tiniest bit of effort and can’t just spam 1 anymore to kill them, they cry for nerfs. There are several hard counters for them that completely shut them down, people don’t want to adapt and expect to faceroll everything with the same build. “I don’t want to change my build even though doing so can completely make all of my opponent’s effort trivial and completely shut them down, so please nerf them so it’s easy for me again.” That’s all this is a case of.

And top pvp teams taking 2 eles and 2 engies just for lulz, right?

because they’re overrated and others can’t play other classes.

Sure, “it’s not my class is OP, it’s you shall l2p, all of you”. Pretty old story.

Certainly.
Engi and Ele are such OP classes that no other stand a chance.
Hence, feel successful if you drop one of them to 90% hp.
They just kill anyone in blink of an eye.

Anet, remove those classes. Dem 2 stronk.

Tao.5096:

I’m killing Turret engis with warrior(not hambow).
I’m not focusing on turrets.
I don’t even drop to 50% hp.

I recommend people to learn to play their professions first.

You are running shoutheal s/w i suspect?
the build that is just like a DD ele and function like one, but inferior in every ways possible and perma lost to DD ele?

while still being the best warrior build out there right now?

I never used warhorn on warrior, and I don’t use shouts in pvp.
And I do not lose to celestial, d/d ele or w/e else all the time.

Tao.5096:

I never used warhorn on warrior, and I don’t use shouts in pvp.
And I do not lose to celestial, d/d ele or w/e else all the time.

Either you are using a really cheap dueling build that has no out come in a team que, or you are simply lying or that DD ele is noob.
choose one.

also when i say every ways, i literally mean, every ways. not only fighting situations in a team match.

Define cheap dueling build?
I’m using the same as for wvw because it’s more convenient.
With exception – I use longbow instead of greatsword

If someone comes up to me and tells that Celestial D/D Ele or P/S Spam Engineer “requires a lot of skill” I will laugh at his face.

Sorry, but with the exception of very best players, my cat could run those builds as decently as 3/4 of people running them.

People were laughing at hambows going through their rotations no matter what situation, always the same. Guess what, different builds but even better results!

Rym.1469:

If someone comes up to me and tells that Celestial D/D Ele or P/S Spam Engineer “requires a lot of skill” I will laugh at his face.

Sorry, but with the exception of very best players, my cat could run those builds as decently as 3/4 of people running them.

People were laughing at hambows going through their rotations no matter what situation, always the same. Guess what, different builds but even better results!

That’s what they all say. Yet so, so, few prove it. You are going to prove it right?

coglin.1867:

That’s what they all say. Yet so, so, few prove it. You are going to prove it right?

Proving what, celestial engi and ele being new hambow while being even more 6 y/o kids-friendly? This doesn’t require any proofs, because anyone can see tournament vids, or even more simple, go to pvp match.

Shrapnel.7249:

robertul.3679:

Shrapnel.7249:

The issue with Engis is that they can spam condis with little to no real effort along w the ridiculous amount of Cc. You do not need to spec in turrets to hand turret drop elite which puts almost every turret down at once. Net still nets, burn still burns regardless if they are specced or not. If their main source of power is positioning and cc then make it so, treat their pistol similar to ranger SB in the sense that they need to flank in order to optimize. Right now there is little effort needed to run engi. I literally grabbed a meta build and wrecked havoc for hours in pvp with only pve knowledge of the class..

You mean like a soldier hambow can immobilize with pindown, whatever hammer 3 is called and burn with longbow 2 and f1? They aren’t really specced into condition either.
Also nobody is using pistol auto to stack bleeds since it’s so bad it’s not even funny. At best you use it on running targets you can’t hit reliably with grenades.

Much the same way that ham bow is a pick up build that has reached meta status, so has the condi engi. And exactly the point that makes it meta is what all the engis in the forum get angry about (much to my delight!) that it easy a build ANYONE can pick up and use w minimal effort. At least Ham/Bow is destroyed by any sort of blind output or proper dodges. Of course those who benefit from the current state of it are gonna defend it like everybody else’s opinion is void. But I suppose that is the nature of such forums.

Hambow is shut down by blinds. Engi is shut down by cc and conditions. So what? You can say every class is easy to play with dumb arguments like those you present. Also supply crate drops net, flame, heal turrets. Not “almost every turret”.

Ok you have no idea how engineer works but like to randomly say things. Imma explain to you no problem. There are 6 turrets: net,flame,heal,rocket,thumper,rifle. Would you say 3/6 is “almost” 6/6?
What class you play? Lemme guess. You play special snowflake builds! You sir are no sheep to blindly follow meta. You play subpar builds that are as silly as the resident hipster with his wool scarf and hannah montana tshirt combo.

As for others crying that the tourney was won by 2engi2ele. It’s very simple! The best players in the game main those classes! Their comp would probably fare better with a necro but they just didn’t have a necro main to use. The games were pretty close so arguably TCG could have won. And they ran mesmer which is in a bad place right now. So is bunker guard to a lesser extent. Yet because the players were good it helped them stay competitive. It’s common sense really.
Oh and NA ran 4 celestial. EU ran 3 celestial. Big difference indeed.

Rednik.3809:

coglin.1867:

That’s what they all say. Yet so, so, few prove it. You are going to prove it right?

Proving what, celestial engi and ele being new hambow while being even more 6 y/o kids-friendly? This doesn’t require any proofs, because anyone can see tournament vids, or even more simple, go to pvp match.

So let me get this straight. Your claiming ele and engie are as easy to play as a warrior? As well, that you or any 6 u r old can play at the top tier tournament skill level?

Yeah, that actually does require proof. Anytime someone claims something is easy because they see a pro do it, it is fairly reasonable to want proof. Otherwise, we would have seen you in the fray proving your skill in the videos like the others.

Oh no, proving your skill with a video.
Looks like I did end in another game with mindset of – only pros prove their skillz with vidz.

kitten.

coglin.1867:

Your claiming ele and engie are as easy to play as a warrior?

Yes. Atm it’s absolutely nobrain specs where even paralyzed 1-hand blind monkey can give decent results. Proven by team comps.

Tao.5096:

Oh no, proving your skill with a video.
Looks like I did end in another game with mindset of – only pros prove their skillz with vidz.

kitten.

No. It was a question of, if it is so easy, why do I have evidence of kicking tail against the so called easy professions, when those crying fowl do not. Particularly when you cannot even offer a reason why you claim them problematic.

Rednik.3809:

coglin.1867:

Your claiming ele and engie are as easy to play as a warrior?

Yes. Atm it’s absolutely nobrain specs where even paralyzed 1-hand blind monkey can give decent results. Proven by team comps.

Elementalists are significantly harder to play than Spamgineers. It’s actually quite nice to have 15-20 skills at any given moment with no recharge on swap. Every 16 seconds I get a 3 second block, turn conditions into boons without even using a skill coupled with a massive amount of CC that just aids your recharges on your 15 skills.

The only reason why Elementalist is up there with Engineer is the burning we apply. Otherwise Engineer will pretty much stomp everything with so little effort.

Give Engineer toolkits a recharge on swapping, so they can feel the utter destruction that is Chill for Elementalists.

For those defending the legitimacy of Engineers you can inflict burning, bleeding, vulnerability and poison on a single auto attack grenade throw. kitten , puts Necromancers to shame, I bet they wish they could do that. Plus your Gear Shield recharge is better than a WARRIORS.

For those defending the legitimacy of Elementalists. You have the best burning in the game, a constant powerful flow of protection, regeneration with a bursting condition cleansing.

I main Elementalist, for everyone defending Elementalist just stop, it is very clear how broken we are. Just because you lost to Warhorn spamming condi Warrior cheese on far point doesn’t mean you are balanced.

Nova Stiker.8396:

I main Elementalist, for everyone defending Elementalist just stop, it is very clear how broken we are. Just because you lost to Warhorn spamming condi Warrior cheese on far point doesn’t mean you are balanced.

You don’t play a version of Elementalist that uses any mechanics that are remotely overpowered. From your perspective I’m surprised you aren’t calling Elementalists the trash-can profession.

Reasoning: You don’t use Cleansing Water, Cantrips, or use Signet of Restoration (stow lightningwhip bug).

Nova Stiker.8396:

For those defending the legitimacy of Engineers you can inflict burning, bleeding, vulnerability and poison on a single auto attack grenade throw. kitten , puts Necromancers to shame, I bet they wish they could do that.

Wait……………………..Your suggesting Elixir gun auto attack is Over powered? Awe, isn’t hat cute.

coglin.1867:

Nova Stiker.8396:

For those defending the legitimacy of Engineers you can inflict burning, bleeding, vulnerability and poison on a single auto attack grenade throw. kitten , puts Necromancers to shame, I bet they wish they could do that.

Wait……………………..Your suggesting Elixir gun auto attack is Over powered? Awe, isn’t hat cute.

Probably not. I wouldn’t conclude that since he didn’t include weakness in that list of conditions. He said auto-attack grenade throw, that assumably procced Doom sigil, 15% Shrapnel proc, crit for Incendiary Powder.

As an aside, E-Gun’s pressure and weakness is a bit dumb for how easy it is, but the only problem is that you can literally do nothing else, and you have to sacrifice many other things. I agree that it’s balanced.

Turret engineer + bomb kit 2 stronk.
Running in circles pressing random keys 2 stronk.
People die 2 fazt to engi.

Delete this class plox.

Chaith.8256:

coglin.1867:

Nova Stiker.8396:

For those defending the legitimacy of Engineers you can inflict burning, bleeding, vulnerability and poison on a single auto attack grenade throw. kitten , puts Necromancers to shame, I bet they wish they could do that.

Wait……………………..Your suggesting Elixir gun auto attack is Over powered? Awe, isn’t hat cute.

Probably not. I wouldn’t conclude that since he didn’t include weakness in that list of conditions. He said auto-attack grenade throw, that assumably procced Doom sigil, 15% Shrapnel proc, crit for Incendiary Powder.

As an aside, E-Gun’s pressure and weakness is a bit dumb for how easy it is, but the only problem is that you can literally do nothing else, and you have to sacrifice many other things. I agree that it’s balanced.

You know what, my mind actually read weakness in it when I read the post. Must be after this exact poster very inaccurate and misinforming thread he started about removing weakness from the game. Where he stated such gems of knowledge as

Nova Stiker.8396:

Weakness In PvP, it can turn bunkers into super bunkers.