Guild Wars 2

dimyzuka.7051:

Jelzouki.4128:

No I’m not “basically” saying that. I AM saying that a skill that leaves you 100% defenceless for a number of seconds is overpowered (see the suggestions I made). I don’t think you know what “good” mesmers run considering you don’t play mesmer?

These forums have become such a joke. Is it just a reflex now whenever a bad player dies they run straight to the forums to complain before figuring out how not to die.

Moa does not leave you “%100 defenseless”, infact its defenses are probably better than most classes in the game, #5 is a evade combined with a sprint that will get you halfway across the map, dodge rolling in moa form will also sprint you. You also have weakness on #4 and cripple on #2.

You should never die in moa unless you get chain immobilized by 2+ players, in which case you would have probably died anyway.

PS. No good mesmers run moa. So im assuming this complaining stems from hotjoin. In which case you need to just ‘Get Good’.

see previous messages directed towards the player “razor”

Raunchy.6891:

I’m confused as to why this is a thread lol. I’ve been playing mesmer since launch and no good mesmer will ever touch this elite. It’s easy to stop it from hitting and on top of that it’s just overall not very useful. Sure you can try to use it on bunkers, but you literally have to bait out everything (blocks, immunes, dodges, etc.) or try to cast it from stealth, which won’t go over well if the moa’s buddy shows up. Mass Invisibility and Time Warp are infinitely more useful in many more situations. Please don’t start threads about things you know very little about. It doesn’t make you seem very smart.

not here to impress anybody, it’s a thread, it’s an issue, even though some people disagree with me, a lot of people on here agree that this skill is broken, even if it isn’t because of the reasons I listed.

I’ll tell you right now I’ve never watched a high level streamer be moa’d, and for good reason, but if they ever did they would probably be more surprised than upset by it. You can give all the reasons you want as to why you think it’s broken but it’s not and it hasn’t been for a long time.

It’s annoying when they cast it on you in a 2v1 where you could have otherwise lived or won. In a 1v1, some dodging, and using the abilities will prevent you dying. Use the wiki to learn the skills. ;-)

Ultimatly, it’s an elite skill, if it did nothing of use then it would be broken.

Footnote: Have you downed a mesmer yet while Moa’d? It’s the best experience in the universe!

Razor.6392:

Oh gosh please. I wish there was a way to filter out the least skilled players from posting on this specific forum section.

You’re basically saying that a 180ish seconds cooldown ELITE skill shouldn’t kill you if you have 2 people currently attacking you? I don’t even play mesmer and I infact hate them, but that’s just nonsense. Not to mention that most good mesmers run cloak on pvp.

So you’re basically saying that the cooldown dictates whether or not a skill should be powerful enough to be a win button.

Awesome.

By your logic, I want an elite that has a 2 day cooldown so I can log on, win, and then leave with a false sense of accomplishment.

Mindless logic has no place in the balance forums….

Not saying Moa is OP or UP…but seriously…come on pal.

Moa is really more of a ‘Go away from me for 10 seconds’ or ‘noelite4you’ button.
In instances where you get hit by a Moa+Entangling roots combo or something you probably weren’t making it out of that situation anyway.

In a 1v1 situation and you get hit buy it, you can either doge into the 5 skill, then just wait it out since you’ll be out of range of anything the Mesmer can really throw at you or you can run right at them and proceed to peck out their eyes since the skills on it are actually pretty good.

That being said, its still a pretty poor elite outside of countering other elites and trolling, which isnt even as fun as it used to be since it doesn’t work on people in their downed state anymore.

This is off topic, but for the record I wanted to say that Ranger Entangle is a 150s Elite that can be dodged, teleported, cleansed, blinded? Also Eles and Engies can hard counter it with some traits. At least it provides a bit of area denial though.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Entangle

Entangle hits up to 5 targets and deals damage and immobilizes the target.
How in the seven layers of hell can you even remotly compare it to moa morph, which does not hurt you and give you skills to do damage or escape faster?

Kaiyanwan.8521:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Entangle

Entangle hits up to 5 targets and deals damage and immobilizes the target.
How in the seven layers of hell can you even remotly compare it to moa morph, which does not hurt you and give you skills to do damage or escape faster?

very true. seems like a few people got hit by this troll skill and got mad. i got moaed in the middle of a zerg and survived by escaping. entangle howewer killed me quiet a few times.

Lol you got moaed in a 2v1? you must be bunky as hell for him to feel the need to shut you down so hard.

Moa is annoying but it’s not really a problem.

1. The cast can be out played easily.

2. In the event you DO get moaed you can out play a mesmer’s snare skill including their main burst if you know how to fight a mesmer. Note: If they are not a burst mesmer then you’ll have plenty of time to live and turn the fight around.

3. along with your doges there IS an “GTFO” skill on your 5 key, out play the mesmer and use it!

4. If your a MM necro and your pets died… I feel for you guys a bit. But you still have MORE than enough strength to turn the fight around even after being moaed.

Moa is a tough skill to deal with early but after you learn the game you realize it’s not all that viable, and only useful in niche situations, while still giving tons of room for people to outplay the skill.

You must be an idiot to say “4. If your a MM necro and your pets died… I feel for you guys a bit. But you still have MORE than enough strength to turn the fight around even after being moaed.” considering how it kills all the minions and locks a necro out of their survival mechanic “Death Shroud”. You moa a mesmer, big deal the phantasms are still alive. You moa a spirit ranger, big deal the spirits are still alive. You moa a spirit weapon guardian, you see were I’m going with this?

Sure u can use the num 5 to escape for a bit but in many of the situations, it’s just not enough. Sure you can dodge it but for many humans, they just don’t have the reflexes to escape it or the perception to watch out for it.

The Primary.6371:

Sure you can dodge it but for many humans, they just don’t have the reflexes to escape it or the perception to watch out for it.

Sounds like a personal problem. I have not met many people who are in the same boat, and those who are usually are new and I’m confident will learn to out grow it. Once you get that part down turning the fight around is cake… And if you can get off your 5 because the mesmer was sloppy on the set up then it’s even easier. Sure the point will be contested but I’m sure the +5 points will make up for it ;D

Yes it shuts down MM harder than rangers or other mesmers, but frankly I think it’s more of a fair fight than a one sided rofl stomp where we always trample mesmers.

This thread makes me want to go moa trolling in hot join on my Mesmer.

Just delete the skill and add someone that makes sense and is not 100% trolling. It has no use in the game besides trolling and it’s fair to say the most kittened elite in game. Even racial elite’s are better designed.

Skilled players will always pick mass invis over moa, whereas mass invis isn’t even that strong as elite.

You guys keep saying "elite is useless skilled players wouldn’t use this " it is a situational tool used to defeat foes who are constantly evading/mitigating damage, as i said before i LOVE to use this on thieves, cant stealth and 99% of them die like the useless moas that they are.

Other than that yes it is a trolly skill, but thats no reason for it to be deleted, add new skills, sure, but i’ll keep my moa so that i can make thieves qq when they can’t faceroll a duel. Seriously this skill is not broken, nor OP. The OP of this thread is a whiner who is drawn to this forum like a magnet because of his inability to beat a better opponent and is unleashing his need to cry nerf. Don’t feed the OP.

So you gonna switch your elite mid fight when you notice there’s a thief you can’t beat because lack of skill so you can faceroll him with a broken elite. That’s your argument for it not having deleted?

Switch mid fight? No. But if i am defending camps in wvw, and come across a d/p thief capping then you can be kitten sure i’ll slot on moa and gank him. Same for evasion warriors etc, the fact is the skill is usefull sometimes, depending on the situation, deleting it after the op of this thread cries after dying on his faceroll warrior/stealth reliant thief would be utter foolishness. Seriously, but what would YOU know about playing your mes with utils suited for roaming, i bet as a mesmer you’ve never had veil off of your slot bar, nor been far from the rest of your guilds blob :p

Lol I like the personal attack. Actually, I’m quite sure I’m a more skilled mesmer than you and got much more roaming experience than you. You don’t need to try to win with forum fights. Thus far I don’t see you posting any video so I asume you’re the standart facerolling mesmer that thinks he’s a hero when he kills 1 or 2 guys.
The fact that you need an elite to counter a thief as mesmer is just pathetic play from you. It proves you prefer poor and skillless play over a fun fight.
Sure it’s usefull, but is it fun? Overall it’s not usefull. Probably mass invis is more usefull in 99% of all situations.

Right, ego much? “i am more skilled” Clearly you’re very very good, i would be too with 25 friends to rez me all the time, and more zerging experience of the class, sure!
And i never said i NEED the elite i said it was a quick way to gank a class that is otherewise disgustingly slippery.

As for posting videos of my gameplay, i’d rather not spend my time filming and editing so you can kitten to my “1337 skills”. Feel free to waste your time filming your gameplay though, i always like to see a sneaky veil pulled off well!

But alas i fear you are correct, Clearly you are the bigger forum warrior of the two of us, so i shall step down and bow to your ability to type kitten, while i actually go play wvw outside of a fat guild blob. Enjoy your forum prowess, because judging by those fine video examples of your gameplay i am sure that is as far as you can boast any form of skill :’) Good day fine sir.

Out of 9 mesmer video’s I’ve made 1 raid video. How can you even think I raid more than I roam? Sometimes you need some ego against people who don’t seem to get the point. This thread is about moa, you say it’s fine as it is, I say it isn’t. Your argument is based on a single situation to have an easy win. Meaning you confirm what the OP is saying: ‘’ moa skill death sentence’‘. You practically say you death sentence the thief so you don’t have to fight his ‘’3459450 dodges’’ (which you aparently can’t handle).

I never said who was the ‘’bigger forum warrior’‘. You try to personal attack me, and now you get some back you seem to back off? It’s like you are angry at someone and you ask him for duel, but mid fight you call the fight and run off.

Anyway, I’m also pretty sure anet wont just delete elite skills. That’s not how they work, so I guess have fun with your skill-less gameplay, you’ll need it.

The number 5 skill, the one furthest to the right is your flee button when moa’d. Point yourself in the direction you want to go and hit it. You will haul butt in that direction and often escape. Most people expect you to just sit there like an idiot when you get moa’d, not instantly and very quickly run away from them. You will frequently escape by doing this, as the movement is very fast. Give it a try. Obviously you will lose the node, but you won’t die at least.

You don’t expect moa, that’s the problem. When 2 people face eachother they analyse eachother and think through which combo they want to pull off. When all suddenly you get moa’d and then get immobilized by illusionary leap because you didn’t expect to get moad at all, you don’t really have much to do besides standing still and to use #4 for the weakness so he might deal a bit less damage in that time.
The skill is too easy to fail to rely on, has a too big cooldown to pick over mass invis and has a troll level of over 9000. I don’t really see, besides in very limited situations, it to be usefull. ( Such as D/P thieves. However, you don’t need moa to counter them, so it’s not the only counter, which means it’s not required, which means mass invis is probably still better.)

selan.8354:

Kaiyanwan.8521:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Entangle

Entangle hits up to 5 targets and deals damage and immobilizes the target.
How in the seven layers of hell can you even remotly compare it to moa morph, which does not hurt you and give you skills to do damage or escape faster?

very true. seems like a few people got hit by this troll skill and got mad. i got moaed in the middle of a zerg and survived by escaping. entangle howewer killed me quiet a few times.

You can use condi clears or any immobilize breaker (i.e. rocket boots, warrior traited with mobile strikes) to escape entangle. In addition, you can also use a teleport to escape the roots, and stealth will also prevent the roots from hitting you and allow you to escape. In the worst case, you may even be able to burst down the roots and get out (this is easier to do in the middle of a zerg with AoE exploding everywhere).

If you get hit with moa you are stuck as a moa for the full duration and cannot do anything to remove the transformation state. If you’re not able to properly escape your enemy, it could mean your death because you cannot heal and have a limited ability to defend yourself. In the worst case, it means that you’re essentially useless in the fight for 10 seconds, meaning they may be able to focus down your allies while you’re in moa form and come for you later.

Entangle also has a much shorter range, although that’s a minor factor.

In general, I would agree that entangle is the stronger of the two, or at least applicable in more situations (especially since the ranger can lower the cooldown via traiting). But polymorph moa definitely has some advantages over it.

Jelzouki.4128:

I just feel that when I am in PvP matches/tournaments, if I have one or two people on me and I get turned into a Moa; there is no stopping my imminent death. I propose to remove it from PvP, or allow us players to use our utility skills, or make less time spent in Moa form, or give the Moa some skills that can actually create some survivability. I realize you can use one of the skills that lets you run away, but even then you’re still on death row when in Moa form.

well i propose that if you cant see the HUGE aura and relatively long cast of the moa and you dont already have a block up or your reflexes are that of a sloth, you deserve to be turned into a chicken for a few seconds. its very very easy to see coming. if 1 skill is giving you so much grief. perhaps you should learn how to combat against it. “dodge”

imo

Yamsandjams.3267:

selan.8354:

Kaiyanwan.8521:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Entangle

Entangle hits up to 5 targets and deals damage and immobilizes the target.
How in the seven layers of hell can you even remotly compare it to moa morph, which does not hurt you and give you skills to do damage or escape faster?

very true. seems like a few people got hit by this troll skill and got mad. i got moaed in the middle of a zerg and survived by escaping. entangle howewer killed me quiet a few times.

You can use condi clears or any immobilize breaker (i.e. rocket boots, warrior traited with mobile strikes) to escape entangle. In addition, you can also use a teleport to escape the roots, and stealth will also prevent the roots from hitting you and allow you to escape. In the worst case, you may even be able to burst down the roots and get out (this is easier to do in the middle of a zerg with AoE exploding everywhere).

If you get hit with moa you are stuck as a moa for the full duration and cannot do anything to remove the transformation state. If you’re not able to properly escape your enemy, it could mean your death because you cannot heal and have a limited ability to defend yourself. In the worst case, it means that you’re essentially useless in the fight for 10 seconds, meaning they may be able to focus down your allies while you’re in moa form and come for you later.

Entangle also has a much shorter range, although that’s a minor factor.

In general, I would agree that entangle is the stronger of the two, or at least applicable in more situations (especially since the ranger can lower the cooldown via traiting). But polymorph moa definitely has some advantages over it.

im a mesmer and my main alt is a necro. ive been moad a few times and was able to escape easily. when i get killed its mainly cc. perma immobilize, peram knockdowns, perma interrupts, i got sun breakers but i dont have great condi removal, nor do i have stability, so moa is like the least of my probems in any game mode.
and if anet removes it or nerfes it to the ground, i dont care as i never use it!

If it were up to me there wouldn’t be an ability quite like this in the game, I don’t think its really all that bad though.

The real problem is casting it from stealth, that’s pretty scummy. A long time ago in spvp stealth openers with moa were everywhere and it felt like there was nothing you could do about it but just let it happen.

180s CD single target elite that can be dodged/obstructed etc. Remember, it’s a team game. I agree that stealth moa is cheap, but a lot of things are cheap. Some of them are highly spammable and moa really, really isn’t.

Redscope.6215:

Razor.6392:

Oh gosh please. I wish there was a way to filter out the least skilled players from posting on this specific forum section.

You’re basically saying that a 180ish seconds cooldown ELITE skill shouldn’t kill you if you have 2 people currently attacking you? I don’t even play mesmer and I infact hate them, but that’s just nonsense. Not to mention that most good mesmers run cloak on pvp.

So you’re basically saying that the cooldown dictates whether or not a skill should be powerful enough to be a win button.

Awesome.

By your logic, I want an elite that has a 2 day cooldown so I can log on, win, and then leave with a false sense of accomplishment.

Mindless logic has no place in the balance forums….

Not saying Moa is OP or UP…but seriously…come on pal.

thank you!!!!!!!!!

Personally (being a Mesmer) I’d just like to see it removed. It fits no skill group, it sits on its own and it’s such a weird skill.

Though Tuna Morph is awesome.

What I’d like to see in it’s place is a proper Backfire. Creates a Phantasm which attacks each time the target uses a 1-5 ability. Like a duration-less (but destroyable) Confusion, basically.

The number 5 skill, the one furthest to the right is your flee button when moa’d. Point yourself in the direction you want to go and hit it. You will haul butt in that direction and often escape.

Nope. It was nerfed down to a 3/ths of a second flee. It puts you just out of melee range.

Before it was a huge flee, 3 or 4 seconds, which was balanced.

I mean its an interesting choice that it doesn’t make you invulnerable….

The Primary.6371:

You moa a spirit weapon guardian, you see were I’m going with this?

That’s impossible because they’re a myth and don’t actually exist, bro.

As everyone who has actually played the class has said, it is far and beyond our worst elite on people who actually play the game. Sure, if you’re relatively new to your own class and the general mechanics of the game, not being able to pull of your rotations (because rotations tend to be the starting point in player skill) will probably mean death, and quickly, because those people aren’t experienced enough to adapt their skill use to changing circumstances. The same thing would happen to them if they were suddenly given skills from another class.
But outside of screwing with new players, it really has no use whatsoever that would in any circumstance make it more useful than either of the other elites. Any situation where it would actually do anything is one that you probably would have won in anyway.

Honestly Moa is probably one of the legitimate L2P issues in this forum.

If you can’t recite the 5 Moa skills by heart — then it is most definitely a L2P. How can you possibly expect to survive as a Moa if you don’t know what the skills are?!?!? I guess you could button mash all your keys but you shouldn’t deserve to win the match at that point.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Kick_

This is basically Savage Leap (Warrior mainhand sword #2). It (the warrior one) is arguably one of the best chaser skills in the game. It is a leap finisher. It has 600 range. It does not require a target. Most melee classes would kill for this skill.
The moa counterpart has 4s CD (Savage Leap has 8s), you can use it twice in the 10s you are moa’ed. The cast time is not great, should perhaps be reduced to 3/4 or 1/2. But for any class that was originally planning to close with the mesmer to attack in melee, this skill is really quite a powerful tool in the right hands.
The trick is to embrace the moa. :o

Did some tPvP tonight and we faced the same team twice with a Mesmer who actually ran the Moa elite. Haven’t seen one in ages and – lo and behold – got Moa-ed three times in two matches and avoided it twice because he was constantly focussing on me.

Didn’t die once whilst Moa-ed.

I honestly don’t understand how you can die to this… once Moa-ed you leap, run away, dodge roll a few times and you’re back to your normal self.

You only die if you don’t take the time to learn what the skills mean when you’re Moa-ed and then panic when you’re Moa-ed and forget it all. And that’s really a L2P issue.

Daishi.6027:

The Primary.6371:

Sure you can dodge it but for many humans, they just don’t have the reflexes to escape it or the perception to watch out for it.

Sounds like a personal problem. I have not met many people who are in the same boat, and those who are usually are new and I’m confident will learn to out grow it. Once you get that part down turning the fight around is cake… And if you can get off your 5 because the mesmer was sloppy on the set up then it’s even easier. Sure the point will be contested but I’m sure the +5 points will make up for it ;D

Yes it shuts down MM harder than rangers or other mesmers, but frankly I think it’s more of a fair fight than a one sided rofl stomp where we always trample mesmers.

Funny how you think so highly for this skill when it’s seldom used in casual play and hardly used at high level play. Makes me wonder why your trying to defend an elite that’s mostly practical for trolling in the end. Sure it provides a great base for how ranger pets could be improved but over all it’s an elite that doesn’t serve a real purpose.

Saying that inexperienced people dealing with this skill as a “personal problem” also demonstrates your lack of forethought considering how many mesmers use mass invisibility or Time Warp and never have to deal with a “one sided rofl stomp where we always trample mesmers”.

Well, if nothing else, this is the only skill across all professions that you can’t get OUT of. That alone makes it worthy of review.

Kaiyanwan.8521:

It is the noobs crying over something they do not understand. If they had experienced pre-nerf moa, they wouldn’t moan.

If they at least would take the time and check the skills on the wiki, they would understand that they are not out of control of their character. They have defensive and offensive tools.

Mesmers only ever slot Moa to troll, in hot join maybe. Because people are all like, “Wut, why does my hotbar has another colour now? Let’s continue to spam one, this might help!”

It is a L2P issue here, or at least a L2Read the bloody skills in moa form issue.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Moa_Morph

Thats quite an ignorant post, as you will spend 10 seconds as an immobilized chicken being CC’d to death. An no utility/heal/elite can save you. No matter how familiar you are with the MOA skills.

And people stating:
- the skill can be dodged
- the skill has a long cooldown
- the skill has a long cast and obvious animation
only support the statement of the skill being too useless.

This skill is okay-ish in a 1v1 situation. And totally kittening rubbish in any other imaginable scenario.

Those of you still supporting this skill are afraid of improvement or come to brag how well you are playing when you are being MOA’d. Well enjoy!

Just in case anybody was wondering, the guy who called me a least skilled player in the 3 reply to this thread duelled me yesterday and I beat him with flying colours. He played as an elementalist and played very poorly.

Also Menzies I’m editing the post to throw your comment in there, thanks for the good input.

VaaCrow.3076:

Played mes exclusivley for almost 1 year, i only use moa on annoying thieves who spam d/p stealth, because they cant stealth as a moa and killing them when they are a helpless bird is priceless. Moa is a SITUATIONAL tool, it is not overpowerd, you can dodge it, block it, stability im 99% sure stops it, you have plenty of opportunities to stop yourself being moad, it even has a blatant cast animation, its not our fault if you’re too stupid to avoid it. and doesn’t need to be nerfed.
I nearly always run mass invis op, BUT when faced with a particularly annoying thief who abuses his ability to steatlh, or an annoying warrior, i slot in moa morph and do my upmost to destroy the turkey before it escapes.

You should save your tears to complain about real class balance issues such as the place of rangers and how they are compared to thief/warrior in pvp meta. This is a L2P issue. not a cry nerf cause it killed your op healing signet warrior issue.

This guy proves why Moa should be fixed. He just admits that the skill is a I WIN button. He slots and uses it for an easy win whenever he feels like he is gonna have a good fight.

dimyzuka.7051:

These forums have become such a joke. Is it just a reflex now whenever a bad player dies they run straight to the forums to complain before figuring out how not to die.

This is sadly quite true.
It’s the primary reason why as a developer you usually don’t want to interact with your community: The vocal part of it are terrible, both as players and as people.

Kanenas.4906:

This guy proves why Moa should be fixed. He just admits that the skill is a I WIN button. He slots and uses it for an easy win whenever he feels like he is gonna have a good fight.

Yeah, because fighting a D/P stealth spammer is the very definition of a good fight, right?

The Primary.6371:

Daishi.6027:

The Primary.6371:

Sure you can dodge it but for many humans, they just don’t have the reflexes to escape it or the perception to watch out for it.

Sounds like a personal problem. I have not met many people who are in the same boat, and those who are usually are new and I’m confident will learn to out grow it. Once you get that part down turning the fight around is cake… And if you can get off your 5 because the mesmer was sloppy on the set up then it’s even easier. Sure the point will be contested but I’m sure the +5 points will make up for it ;D

Yes it shuts down MM harder than rangers or other mesmers, but frankly I think it’s more of a fair fight than a one sided rofl stomp where we always trample mesmers.

Funny how you think so highly for this skill when it’s seldom used in casual play and hardly used at high level play. Makes me wonder why your trying to defend an elite that’s mostly practical for trolling in the end. Sure it provides a great base for how ranger pets could be improved but over all it’s an elite that doesn’t serve a real purpose.

Saying that inexperienced people dealing with this skill as a “personal problem” also demonstrates your lack of forethought considering how many mesmers use mass invisibility or Time Warp and never have to deal with a “one sided rofl stomp where we always trample mesmers”.

1. If it’s not viable no point complaining about it.

2. Just because it’s not used often doesn’t mean players don’t practice or fight against it.

3. Yes it is a personal problem if you can’t handle it and other’s clearly can.

4. It used to be just as common as TW was and people learned to deal with it then, and that’s how we have the info as to why it’s not viable now.

I’m only defending it because why fix what isn’t broken? A lot of this thread is just QQ about how it’s OP and players just get wrecked by it. Fact, No.

My comments about it being a balanced fight vs MM still holds true and I only make the argument due to the QQ (and since this match up is arguably the hardest shut down the skill does it’s the most valid point to knock off). Yes a mesmer can outplay MM without Moa, but my point is that it doesn’t break the fight, and like very many of the match ups in this game, its usually in favor of one side (this being necro) or forces the other side to try a lot harder (in this case memser).

You can try to turn this around on me all you want fact is the skill is fine, and anyone who complains about it just can’t handle it. Could mesmers use something more useful in the meta, yeah sure. But no skill in game as far as I am aware has ever been completely removed, only things nerfed to oblivion.. Which moa doesn’t need.

Kanenas.4906:

VaaCrow.3076:

Played mes exclusivley for almost 1 year, i only use moa on annoying thieves who spam d/p stealth, because they cant stealth as a moa and killing them when they are a helpless bird is priceless. Moa is a SITUATIONAL tool, it is not overpowerd, you can dodge it, block it, stability im 99% sure stops it, you have plenty of opportunities to stop yourself being moad, it even has a blatant cast animation, its not our fault if you’re too stupid to avoid it. and doesn’t need to be nerfed.
I nearly always run mass invis op, BUT when faced with a particularly annoying thief who abuses his ability to steatlh, or an annoying warrior, i slot in moa morph and do my upmost to destroy the turkey before it escapes.

You should save your tears to complain about real class balance issues such as the place of rangers and how they are compared to thief/warrior in pvp meta. This is a L2P issue. not a cry nerf cause it killed your op healing signet warrior issue.

This guy proves why Moa should be fixed. He just admits that the skill is a I WIN button. He slots and uses it for an easy win whenever he feels like he is gonna have a good fight.

He swaps skills based on the situation and you think that’s a problem? If it was an I win button, why not keep it all the time?

You know, Moa isn’t an I win button, I have gotten away many times as one. Moa is more of a your an annoying theif and I am tired of you popping stealth every 3s seconds so I am going to make you actually fight.

In the end, the flaw of Moa is that it only targets a single person, on a very lengthy CD. Yes, it’s strong. It’s a 10s daze, in a way.

But it’s one target.

I rarely died to being MOA but defiantly the times I did were very annoying.
So I don’t agree with it being auto death, but just that’s it’s a bad and broken skill and should be totally replaced with something else.
There is a long know issue how this skill completely counters MM necro – as the transform kills all the pets, and of course anet has no solution to this.

So another +1 to replacing this skill, not because it’s insta death but because its badly design skill for any PVP game.

I think this skill would be much more fair (can maybe lower the cooldown) if it would turn you in a invulnerable block of ice (like svanir runes) – so the skill fills the roll of “removing 1 enemy from the fight for a short time” but without the other cons.
This could actually be very interesting skill if you could also cast it on a friendly who is being targeted…

Hrm, interesting idea there, Eiland!

Time Stop
Freezes time in the target area. Enemies caught within are unable to act, but cannot be acted upon. Conditions do no damage, and no buffs, boons or conditions lose duration during the effect. No new effects can be applied to targets frozen in time.

I was thinking it could affect friendly targets too (like the SC1 Arbiter), but meh… people would just use it to grief.

Anyhow, would fit well next to Time Warp, in any case.

I think making it an aoe might be too strong be yeah I think we got something here.