Guild Wars 2

I have been away from gw2 for a few months because my favorite class is unwanted in most situations.

Many times partys want warriors or gtfo. Will the patch bring other classes like necro, rangers, engi, etc up to the warrior level?

Seeing this everyday gets old.

Well, be specific – zerker warrior. That will change with the patch.

What you are showing has nothing to do with the game but everything to do with the mentality of the players. You can’t change that.

Everyone but necro (engi?) is already on par or better than warriors. Pugs are stupid and there’s nothing anet can do about it.
/apugslife

No, it won’t make the slightest bit of difference. Warriors still have the highest base stats, most % boosts to damage and still gain Might on every GS crit.

deSade.9437:

Everyone but necro (engi?) is already on par or better than warriors. Pugs are stupid and there’s nothing anet can do about it.
/apugslife

Actually due to the health pool and wells I would say that my full zerk power necro is alot closer to Warrior’s status than my other classes…

Engineer probably the furthest.

Warriors are not most effective nor the best class. Every class can be extremely good if the time is taken for proper gearing, adjusting traits and being skilled at a class, I have 1 of each class. Most importantly though, play what you have fun as and ignore the pugs in LFG that have requirements. Join a friendly guild if needed, one that runs dungeons and fotm.

I’ve never understood why people are so concerned with this. The screenshot you posted shows a large number of groups WITH UNFILLED SPOTS that have nothing but warriors. The people who sent those LFGs might be having a hard time finding people interested in those runs. In other words, it hardly indicates that most people are running warrior.

In any event, you certainly have no obligation to join an existing LFG post. In my experience, I have had no problem whatsoever finding groups as an ele with posts like this: “story mode, watching cutscenes.” I’ve never bothered to join an existing LFG post because I find that my own posts lead to a full party in minutes (and sometimes seconds). So, it’s only my own anecdotal evidence, but I find that there are plenty of people interested in running dungeons with less efficient (less “elite”) builds. Why let those posts bother you?

If you are really having trouble finding groups, I strongly recommend posting your own LFG post with what you want, rather than hoping to find one. Maybe there are so many people who want the same thing that the posts are getting snatched up too quickly!

Niko.8901:

I have been away from gw2 for a few months because my favorite class is unwanted in most situations.

Many times partys want warriors or gtfo. Will the patch bring other classes like necro, rangers, engi, etc up to the warrior level?

Seeing this everyday gets old.

In ideal settings the Warrior is 6th highest dps, based on the last theorycrafted results I saw. The reason people take warriors is because they have naturally high defensive stats. This allows them to be more survivable and not get one shotted when they make mistakes. The class is more forgiving, but if you can play most of the other classes well you can outperform warriors in your group without too much effort.

If you want consistent damage without as much risk you can play warrior. If you want to do your runs faster then you should only take one warrior for banners and other classes for their utilities, such as reflects.

Guardians for instance do much higher overall dps than warriors when they get to benefit from warrior banners and party buffs. They also have more utility through mitigation abilities like reflects, aegis, and other boons.

If you don’t use proper rotations and ideal gear for any class, however, you won’t reach the classes true damage potential. Fortunately you can do Arah P4 with 5 naked rangers, so play how you want, just don’t expect people to conform to your playstyle. People take full warrior groups because they don’t understand how they can benefit from bringing a diverse group or they feeler safer with a pve class that is more consistent (warrior).

TLDR
People take warriors because they are lower risk, but still do respectable damage (Less than many other classes are capable of doing).

That theory crafting doesn’t take into account how hard it is for other classes to have high damage setups, such as the Elementalist (highest DPS) which is a two-hit-kill even from a random trash mob while wearing full Berserker gear.

Warriors have the highest effective DPS because they don’t really have to do anything for it since their high base stats and high HP regeneration means they can just dump everything into damage without a care, that is the difference.

Most effective =/= the best. Effective DPS takes into account downs and recoveries, and time spent casting other skills that don’t directly damage.

That moment when people actually think warriors out-dps eles.

I always run necro with my guild with dungeon and fract runs. I run a hybrid zerker/condition build. Usually i’m the one picking them up when downed and rarely have have repairs after. She can put out a ton of damage to. It sad to see everyone always saying necro’s are terrible. I do have 1 of every class and can play them well.

Dusty Moon.4382:

Well, be specific – zerker warrior. That will change with the patch.

What you are showing has nothing to do with the game but everything to do with the mentality of the players. You can’t change that.

People asking for zerker won’t change with the patch. Might as well resolve that in your head now.

@OP: Not sure what you are even talking about here. That screen shot means nothing. No one there was asking for a warrior. It just happened to be that the groups had lots of warriors in them. You never mentioned what class you actually play, but if it’s engi, ranger or necro, you are probably never going to break through the stigma of those classes being bad. Sure, the people who know how to play the classes and the top level guilds will always want them because they are good classes when played well, but the reality is most PUG’s don’t play them well and people don’t want to deal with that every day.

Hannelore.8153:

That theory crafting doesn’t take into account how hard it is for other classes to have high damage setups, such as the Elementalist (highest DPS) which is a two-hit-kill even from a random trash mob while wearing full Berserker gear.

Warriors have the highest effective DPS because they don’t really have to do anything for it since their high base stats and high HP regeneration means they can just dump everything into damage without a care, that is the difference.

Most effective =/= the best. Effective DPS takes into account downs and recoveries, and time spent casting other skills that don’t directly damage.

I agree with some of what you are saying, which is why I mentioned it in my post as “ideal situations.” Ideal doesn’t mean most effective for most situations, but if you can learn boss mechanics well enough then you can certaintly compete with or surpass warriors in effectiveness even with an elementalist. Zerker warriors can die easily too if they aren’t actively avoiding damage. Elementalists might not be able to take an extra hit or two, but they have a higher reward for good play. Maybe that reward isn’t high enough for some groups or you, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t possible.

Sins.4782:

That moment when people actually think warriors out-dps eles.

That moment (actually a entire year >.>) when people construe that high base stats mean more than active boons/defense.

cranked.3812:

Dusty Moon.4382:

Well, be specific – zerker warrior. That will change with the patch.

What you are showing has nothing to do with the game but everything to do with the mentality of the players. You can’t change that.

People asking for zerker won’t change with the patch. Might as well resolve that in your head now.

@OP: Not sure what you are even talking about here. That screen shot means nothing. No one there was asking for a warrior. It just happened to be that the groups had lots of warriors in them. You never mentioned what class you actually play, but if it’s engi, ranger or necro, you are probably never going to break through the stigma of those classes being bad. Sure, the people who know how to play the classes and the top level guilds will always want them because they are good classes when played well, but the reality is most PUG’s don’t play them well and people don’t want to deal with that every day.

I didn’t say it would change – but now zerker is too OP, after the patch not so much. I also said it was the attitude of the players that is the problem not the game, that still stands.

Vanthian.9267:

Sins.4782:

That moment when people actually think warriors out-dps eles.

That moment (actually a entire year >.>) when people construe that high base stats mean more than active boons/defense.

Excellent point. There is a reason why warriors needed a massive buff to their passive healing skill and additional active defenses such as cleansing ire to crawl out of the darkness long ago in pvp. It is because active defenses take skilled players much further than passive ones.