Guild Wars 2

Tusk.3846:

xbutcherx.3861:

Another Warrior Thief thread? aren’t there enough already?

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That tells me something alright, there are too many noobs that can’t beat anything and they come here to whine, well there are 3 words for that “Learn To Play!”

I dont understant why everybody thinks i made this thread bcs i cant kill thieves and warriors in wvw.Im playing engi and necro for long time and ofc, i can kill warriors and thieves in duels and small groups fights , not only noobs, but good players too.But i can see 2 reasons why i think thieves and warriors are op in wvw : 1.Bcs wvw is infested by warriors and thieves,im forced to play special antiwarrior and antithief builds.I cant play other builds, bcs other builds are useless against them.I dont need run special builds for kill other proffessions,i need it only against thieves and warriors.
2.warriors and thieves can have everything in one build – high damage,mobility,condi cleanse,self heal,survavility.Other proffesions must allways sacrifice something,thieves and warriors not.I dont want thieves and warriors unplayable and weak but i think this needs some balance.

Jimmy.1476:

I dont understant why everybody thinks i made this thread bcs i cant kill thieves and warriors in wvw.Im playing engi and necro for long time and ofc, i can kill warriors and thieves in duels and small groups fights , not only noobs, but good players too.But i can see 2 reasons why i think thieves and warriors are op in wvw : 1.Bcs wvw is infested by warriors and thieves,im forced to play special antiwarrior and antithief builds.I cant play other builds, bcs other builds are useless against them.I dont need run special builds for kill other proffessions,i need it only against thieves and warriors.
2.warriors and thieves can have everything in one build – high damage,mobility,condi cleanse,self heal,survavility.Other proffesions must allways sacrifice something,thieves and warriors not.I dont want thieves and warriors unplayable and weak but i think this needs some balance.

You see a lot of Warriors and Thieves on the roaming scene, yes you got that right. But not because high damage, condi cleanse or stuff like that. It is because they have tools to move around quickly and escape situations they can’t handle, and that is exactly the reason why they are ever so popular in WvW scene. It’s entirely the mobility that they are able to obtain. They get fast to places and they can get out if needed.

For example. Have you ever seen a roaming warrior that has low mobility weapon set? Hammer / Axe+X is the closest you might see but these warriors usually hang around couple of team mates anyways.

dancingmonkey.4902:

Yeah, thieves are only OP at solo roaming in 1v1 situation. One small role (generally a useless one that contributes little to nothing to the server) in one aspect of the game.

Oh baby, have I got a video for you. 2 thieves can completely wreck a group of 8-12 enemies if working together. Here’s the video btw (love you [BÆR]!).

RyuDragnier.9476:

dancingmonkey.4902:

Yeah, thieves are only OP at solo roaming in 1v1 situation. One small role (generally a useless one that contributes little to nothing to the server) in one aspect of the game.

Oh baby, have I got a video for you. 2 thieves can completely wreck a group of 8-12 enemies if working together. Here’s the video btw (love you [BÆR]!).

Yeah because two organized people beating a bunch of unorganized randoms means anything.

That group was terrible. You had people not doing anything when someone was getting 1v2’ed, random running around autoattacking and running away from the group when almost downed.

imo thiefs are fine its their work to scout and kill overextended players (note to gank in gw1).

Main problem i find in warrior class is that they can “tank” and kill, good with conditions, medium low healing sustain and way to much mobility, a class that not sacrifices one thing for another is wrong having almost all this at same time.

I imagine their capability of exit a combat to be cutted of, and be in the same spot of a guardian, also the passive speed boost needs to be towned down or removed.

^^ warriors stays to fight, not running like a scared kitten if cant kill, reason why i think this game as way to much facilities to speed boosts.

RyuDragnier.9476:

dancingmonkey.4902:

Yeah, thieves are only OP at solo roaming in 1v1 situation. One small role (generally a useless one that contributes little to nothing to the server) in one aspect of the game.

Oh baby, have I got a video for you. 2 thieves can completely wreck a group of 8-12 enemies if working together. Here’s the video btw (love you [BÆR]!).

1 or 2 of any class can beat a dozen training dummies (pretty sure training dummies put up more of a fight than that group did though) Don’t see how that proves anything though

Well warriors are annoying in WvW that is certainly true. Banner res is just a pain in the neck with Lords etc. Warriors running around the map quicker than a ranger really? That is a head scratcher. They probably need some WvW only tweaks.
I would definitely start with how banners work in WvW.

Thieves are also annoying in WvW if you are out roaming on in a small party. Otherwise, their utility is pretty marginal. Lesson take friends. Still, if you have to run alone to get to your friends, they are simply the most annoying thing to run into. But annoying is not necessarily OP.

Aeolus.3615:

^^ warriors stays to fight, not running like a scared kitten if cant kill, reason why i think this game as way to much facilities to speed boosts.

Just like Guardians always stay to save their teammates or die trying, right?

Or maybe you meant that thieves shouldn’t go defensive with stealth and only use it for offense.

Stealth spam d/p should still be reduced, as for p/d condi cheeze spam (but that counts for condi cheeze builds in general). d/d could do with a small buff since the dual skill pretty much doesn’t fit in any build with the other skills.

Warrior op because of power creep (1-shot evis trololo) and same counts for d/p