Guild Wars 2

Oh I remember you. You asked about my build after I made you two literally explode lol. I cant remember if this was team q or hotjoin, but I was running my 6 4 4 build with gs staff. I got a very lucky first hit stun chaos storm on both of you which gave me 10 stacks of might instantly. During this time I swapped to gs and used my mantra to stun both of you again to get 20 stacks of might from while casting my izerker. From there I mirror bladed, mind stabbed, and mind wracked in the course of the 1 second stun to down both of you almost instantly. I will be honest and say it was kinda luck based but it did happen, with the OP slightly exaggerating. It wasn’t really a long stun, it was a series of multiple short stuns. Also, Mesmer isn’t overpowered at all, only the player is overpowered.

If you are curious on the build, this is what I was using at the time: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQJAWRlknpUt1oxMNcrNipxYybih0BcwAlskxB-TZxHABseEAC4CAAwjAQpyAzs/AA

it is being out played.. get off the forum and get into the game and practice.. you know the build, go get a mesmer friend to run it… duel them… and learn to play..

first of all thanks for the replies and now to the subject:
doesnt a class that you have to roll and play countless hours just to understand how it works so you stand a chance of beating them with the class that you actually like playing sound paranoid to you?
with other classes its obvious you can calculate your counters for example you see a thief you pop a retaliation combo and be ready , with warrior you go toe to toe with mesmer you have to roll one and learn every single mechanic and countless explanations just to stand a chance?
sorry but this sounds insanely op.
i hate the style of mesmers and im absolutely not going to spend my time playing one lol.

It’s not paranoid…. the best way to know how to beat a class or build is to go play it and see what gives you trouble.

Also this game isn’t balanced around 1v1s the sooner you accept that the happier you will be =)

I just recently strated trying out the 4/4/0/0/6 double range shatter mes and it’s soooooo much fun coming from necro, I feel so mobile I can dodge alot and my dps and mobility are nuts. BUT if a ranger gets a rapid fire off on me he can pretty much one shot me if he’s lucky, d/p theives seem to be a problem as well and if you get condi bombed your pretty much dead.

then you deserve to lose.. i beat you on your guardian because i know what you need to do in order to win and i avoid your win conditions burn through your defensive options and know what you need to do in order to beat me.

the fact that i learned that.. and you refuse to is why you lose to mesmer. maybe you just need a more braindead spec. since your plan is to go into a fight and be braindead.

go watch anyone of any spec at high lvl on twitch.. someone who talks as they fight.. you will see that they know every cooldown that thier opponent has and every animation for every relevant spec they fight against..

someone fighting vs a mesmer will be saying.. "they burned thier decoy, they burned mass invis, they are out of defensive cooldowns.. etc etc.. "

you refusing to do that means you need a more simple game and are upset that this game is more compex then you are willing to learn.

jihm.2315:

i hate the style of mesmers and im absolutely not going to spend my time playing one lol.

Then you have no right to complain about being beaten by one. You aren’t willing to put forth the effort to learn, you are choosing to be a mediocre player. With so little knowledge of the class your opinion about it is worthless.

Others have said it best; you completely deserved to lose.

Mesmers are not the only class that you need to try out to understand—and therefore fight in PvP. If you want to be successful, you need to learn how every class plays and fully understand them. That is what separates good players from bad ones. You don’t even have to reroll as a class if you really don’t want to, just fight comprehensive guides on YouTube and really learn the class. It won’t be the same, but I guarantee that you won’t be completely swept by a certain class.

You choosing not to research the Mesmer class, along with your crying without actually knowing the build, says that you choose to be mediocre.

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

Oh I remember you. You asked about my build after I made you two literally explode lol. I cant remember if this was team q or hotjoin, but I was running my 6 4 4 build with gs staff. I got a very lucky first hit stun chaos storm on both of you which gave me 10 stacks of might instantly. During this time I swapped to gs and used my mantra to stun both of you again to get 20 stacks of might from while casting my izerker. From there I mirror bladed, mind stabbed, and mind wracked in the course of the 1 second stun to down both of you almost instantly. I will be honest and say it was kinda luck based but it did happen, with the OP slightly exaggerating. It wasn’t really a long stun, it was a series of multiple short stuns. Also, Mesmer isn’t overpowered at all, only the player is overpowered.

If you are curious on the build, this is what I was using at the time: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQJAWRlknpUt1oxMNcrNipxYybih0BcwAlskxB-TZxHABseEAC4CAAwjAQpyAzs/AA

For some reason I’m not suprized to hear this mystery OP stunlock hackeresque Mesmer was you.

jihm.2315:

i hate mesmers

I feel we could have avoided this cluster kitten of a thread if you had been honest and just said this at the start, as your OP

Neptune.2570:

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

Oh I remember you. You asked about my build after I made you two literally explode lol. I cant remember if this was team q or hotjoin, but I was running my 6 4 4 build with gs staff. I got a very lucky first hit stun chaos storm on both of you which gave me 10 stacks of might instantly. During this time I swapped to gs and used my mantra to stun both of you again to get 20 stacks of might from while casting my izerker. From there I mirror bladed, mind stabbed, and mind wracked in the course of the 1 second stun to down both of you almost instantly. I will be honest and say it was kinda luck based but it did happen, with the OP slightly exaggerating. It wasn’t really a long stun, it was a series of multiple short stuns. Also, Mesmer isn’t overpowered at all, only the player is overpowered.

If you are curious on the build, this is what I was using at the time: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQJAWRlknpUt1oxMNcrNipxYybih0BcwAlskxB-TZxHABseEAC4CAAwjAQpyAzs/AA

For some reason I’m not suprized to hear this mystery OP stunlock hackeresque Mesmer was you.

Who else would even attempt running confounding over CI haha. Although I have been trying a 6 6 0 2 build recently with confounding and mantra of pain/distraction and I must say the spike and damage potential that build has is insane. All it takes is being able to press about 7-10 buttons in about 2 seconds

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

Neptune.2570:

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

Oh I remember you. You asked about my build after I made you two literally explode lol. I cant remember if this was team q or hotjoin, but I was running my 6 4 4 build with gs staff. I got a very lucky first hit stun chaos storm on both of you which gave me 10 stacks of might instantly. During this time I swapped to gs and used my mantra to stun both of you again to get 20 stacks of might from while casting my izerker. From there I mirror bladed, mind stabbed, and mind wracked in the course of the 1 second stun to down both of you almost instantly. I will be honest and say it was kinda luck based but it did happen, with the OP slightly exaggerating. It wasn’t really a long stun, it was a series of multiple short stuns. Also, Mesmer isn’t overpowered at all, only the player is overpowered.

If you are curious on the build, this is what I was using at the time: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQJAWRlknpUt1oxMNcrNipxYybih0BcwAlskxB-TZxHABseEAC4CAAwjAQpyAzs/AA

For some reason I’m not suprized to hear this mystery OP stunlock hackeresque Mesmer was you.

Who else would even attempt running confounding over CI haha. Although I have been trying a 6 6 0 2 build recently with confounding and mantra of pain/distraction and I must say the spike and damage potential that build has is insane. All it takes is being able to press about 7-10 buttons in about 2 seconds

Ahaha, fair point. I’ve tried 6 4 4, but wasn’t able to work it as well practically as it was in theory. Ahh you’ve got me all excited. Im gonna go load up my mantras again

Neptune.2570:

jihm.2315:

i hate mesmers

I feel we could have avoided this cluster kitten of a thread if you had been honest and just said this at the start, as your OP

gj at altering my statement

jihm.2315:

Neptune.2570:

jihm.2315:

i hate mesmers

I feel we could have avoided this cluster kitten of a thread if you had been honest and just said this at the start, as your OP

gj at altering my statement

Thanks. You were beating around the bush with it, so I made it more direct so everyone can understand the viewpoint you were trying to get across.

well mystery solved the guy is actualy gaining like 5 might per rupt no wonder I got nearly 3 second wrecked. On a side note this looks like a very interesting build to run I could try that with a rupting focused build.

Also yea it was Hotjoin. I never got my back handled over by a Mesmer harder in my life.

jihm.2315:

i hate the style of mesmers and im absolutely not going to spend my time playing one lol.

Well tough luck.
But despite what you might be thinking, Mesmers actually have a host of issues and we’re fairly underpowered. Yeah, sure, if people are stupid enough to duel I can sometimes make them (hopefully) quit that. But then, smart people don’t play for duels, they play to win. And theeeeen, I kinda wish I had chosen a better class. :P

Carighan.6758:

jihm.2315:

i hate the style of mesmers and im absolutely not going to spend my time playing one lol.

Well tough luck.
But despite what you might be thinking, Mesmers actually have a host of issues and we’re fairly underpowered. Yeah, sure, if people are stupid enough to duel I can sometimes make them (hopefully) quit that. But then, smart people don’t play for duels, they play to win. And theeeeen, I kinda wish I had chosen a better class. :P

we r not underpowered actually, we r perfectly fine..

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

I got a very lucky first hit stun chaos storm on both of you which gave me 10 stacks of might instantly. During this time I swapped to gs and used my mantra to stun both of you again to get 20 stacks of might from while casting my izerker. From there I mirror bladed, mind stabbed, and mind wracked in the course of the 1 second stun to down both of you almost instantly.

Picturing this made me LOL. X)

easy ways to escape, stun locks and cc, aplyind debuffs so easy and so fast and a tone of damage, impossible to run from since clones chase you everywhere, its totally op at the right hands.
was the idea of mesmers to explode people?
and can you catch them if they want to escape ? no.
whats worst is 2-3 mesmers filling the screen with clones and shatters
its a l2p issue when you cannot react to absolutely anything?

May as well just /thread this.

Easier to bash one’s head against a brick wall repeatedly.

jihm.2315:

easy was to escape, stun locks and cc, aplyind debuffs so easy and so fast and a tone of damage, impossible to run from since clones chase you everywhere, its totally op at the right hands.
was the idea of mesmers to explode people?
and can you catch them if they want to escape ? no.
whats worst is 2-3 mesmers filling the screen with clones and shatters
its a l2p issue when you cannot react to absolutely anything?

It’s a l2p issue when you apparently stand around doing nothing.
Also, this is the english forum.

Carighan.6758:

jihm.2315:

easy was to escape, stun locks and cc, aplyind debuffs so easy and so fast and a tone of damage, impossible to run from since clones chase you everywhere, its totally op at the right hands.
was the idea of mesmers to explode people?
and can you catch them if they want to escape ? no.
whats worst is 2-3 mesmers filling the screen with clones and shatters
its a l2p issue when you cannot react to absolutely anything?

It’s a l2p issue when you apparently stand around doing nothing.
Also, this is the english forum.

i can be sarcastic behind a pc screen too carighan, but i choose to never speak to you again .

Isnt forcing people into doing nothing and letting themselves get wrecked the very concept of the domination line as well as to mesmer in general anyway?

Yeah, Domination is focused on lockdown, among other things, but it isn’t exactly a “face-mashing” process. There are plenty of counters to the stun/daze lock, but it’s very consuming, as it is meant to be. But, it isn’t as though it is completely uncounterable. There are traits and stun breaks and stabilities which can be used to counter the big stuns. Most builds, however, do not take these traits or skills because they can take “better skills more suited to the build”. Sadly, they accept this risk of being cced.

It’s also assuming a 1v1 type of situation. By nature of how it works, lockdown-Mesmer becomes a bit iffy in group encounters as while we have mass-interrupt options, they’re not exactly the most comfortable to use, and tracking who is doing what and where to aim the interrupt quickly becomes overwhelming.

jihm.2315:

Carighan.6758:

jihm.2315:

easy was to escape, stun locks and cc, aplyind debuffs so easy and so fast and a tone of damage, impossible to run from since clones chase you everywhere, its totally op at the right hands.
was the idea of mesmers to explode people?
and can you catch them if they want to escape ? no.
whats worst is 2-3 mesmers filling the screen with clones and shatters
its a l2p issue when you cannot react to absolutely anything?

It’s a l2p issue when you apparently stand around doing nothing.
Also, this is the english forum.

i can be sarcastic behind a pc screen too carighan, but i choose to never speak to you again .

The fact that you do not want to take the time/effort to learn mesmer mechanics – either through playing one or watching gameplay videos means there is no point trying to explain anything to you.

Lockdown/interrupt mesmers require well above average skill to be successful, and if they mis-time their skills they pretty much fall flat on their face, especially in a group fight. Try playing one if you don’t believe that.

I will accept one point – when there are 2, 3 or more mesmers at once in pvp it is annoying to fight against because of targeting and stealth. But at the end of the day it’s no more annoying than 2 or 3 minionmancers, rangers, or heaven forbid 2-3 engis which are far worse – in which case you might as well just call it a day and not bother fighting them.

shrug some things never change.

VOR mesmer: I won the game because the moment you do something your dead but if you dont do anything youl also die because you will take twice the damage for not acting

Lockdown mesmer: Please set a build just for me

Ill be honest while i understand the principe of punishment and hardcounter behing forced to build specificaly just so to counter a specialist wich is encountered once in every 100 match is kind of not worth it. Result is those guys likely will always wreck but will get wrecked by the one rare build that actualy incapacitated itself so to be able to endure it (note that this doesnt even garentee the win mesmer is as elusive as it is anoying to deal with and should a guy just prove to difficult to kill he will likely just run away or aim for someone else).

Theres very little point on building a build based around cc break and stability (save for bunkers in wich case its nearly essential), you waste way to many utility for next to nothing and unless you a ranger spamming perma stab from RAO and signet you likely wont be running anything good. Look i do add 1 or 2 cc breaker to my skill list but unless the move in itself is very worth picking (RAO for exemple) i will next to never carry around more then a single stability source and thats if i can actualy afford one.

jihm.2315:

~Complains~

jihm.2315:

i hate the style of mesmers and im absolutely not going to spend my time playing one lol.

At the very least you should take the time to understand what you are complaining about before you make wild assumptions about why you didn’t use stability I mean, why mesmers are overpowered.

whether you are for or against them, refusing to be properly informed/experience your problem from the other end cripples any fleeting credibility you may have had, to be completely honest.

small notice trought ranger has no access to an instant cast stability as both signet of the wild and RAO require a channeling time :P

kyubi.3620:

small notice trought ranger has no access to an instant cast stability as both signet of the wild and RAO require a channeling time :P

The OP is a guardian.

just saying some class indeed cannot use have easy access to stability

kyubi.3620:

just saying some class indeed cannot use have easy access to stability

Mesmers being one of them. (unless you take mantra of concentration)

Curunen.8729:

kyubi.3620:

just saying some class indeed cannot use have easy access to stability

Mesmers being one of them. (unless you take mantra of concentration)

well said, instead they have clone and invisibility

kyubi.3620:

Curunen.8729:

kyubi.3620:

just saying some class indeed cannot use have easy access to stability

Mesmers being one of them. (unless you take mantra of concentration)

well said, instead they have clone and invisibility

and teleports and you get debuffed because you try to hit them lol

nvm ill reroll a thief and quit guard , would have a lot more control

jihm.2315:

easy ways to escape, stun locks and cc, aplyind debuffs so easy and so fast and a tone of damage, impossible to run from since clones chase you everywhere, its totally op at the right hands.
was the idea of mesmers to explode people?
and can you catch them if they want to escape ? no.
whats worst is 2-3 mesmers filling the screen with clones and shatters
its a l2p issue when you cannot react to absolutely anything?

Are you suggesting you can win a battle against 3 of another profession?

Why do you assume that simply because you cannot deal with a situation, that the rest of us can’t?

kyubi.3620:

Curunen.8729:

kyubi.3620:

just saying some class indeed cannot use have easy access to stability

Mesmers being one of them. (unless you take mantra of concentration)

well said, instead they have clone and invisibility

Last I checked, neither of those prevent CC.

dancingmonkey.4902:

jihm.2315:

easy ways to escape, stun locks and cc, aplyind debuffs so easy and so fast and a tone of damage, impossible to run from since clones chase you everywhere, its totally op at the right hands.
was the idea of mesmers to explode people?
and can you catch them if they want to escape ? no.
whats worst is 2-3 mesmers filling the screen with clones and shatters
its a l2p issue when you cannot react to absolutely anything?

Are you suggesting you can win a battle against 3 of another profession?

Why do you assume that simply because you cannot deal with a situation, that the rest of us can’t?

kyubi.3620:

Curunen.8729:

kyubi.3620:

just saying some class indeed cannot use have easy access to stability

Mesmers being one of them. (unless you take mantra of concentration)

well said, instead they have clone and invisibility

Last I checked, neither of those prevent CC.

maybe but they sure allow you to get out before taking more of them xD

ehm, if u cant make the difference between clone, phantasm and the real mesmer, its totally an l2p issue,

and the invicibility… they got elite, wich is 5 s , but has a 1-2 s cast (easily interrutable), decoy(3 s) and torch 4 (3 s, they sacrifice cc, a proper phantasm, or utility for barely some stealth, so completely useless offhand set) , 2 things every mesmer is gonna have is mass invicibility and decoy, thats 8 s stealth if they chain it, the 5 s is a rly long channel, and 3 s is on a 40 s cd..

and, they cant have clone death traits, pu(dis got nerfed to ground), IP , or CI together in one build

and lol u cant run away from a mesmer… , worst at chasing after necro, i would say its equivalent cause necros got lots of cc and high chill uptime, but its depending on build still , so if u cant run away from a necro or a mesmer, l2run.

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

Oh I remember you. You asked about my build after I made you two literally explode lol. I cant remember if this was team q or hotjoin, but I was running my 6 4 4 build with gs staff. I got a very lucky first hit stun chaos storm on both of you which gave me 10 stacks of might instantly. During this time I swapped to gs and used my mantra to stun both of you again to get 20 stacks of might from while casting my izerker. From there I mirror bladed, mind stabbed, and mind wracked in the course of the 1 second stun to down both of you almost instantly. I will be honest and say it was kinda luck based but it did happen, with the OP slightly exaggerating. It wasn’t really a long stun, it was a series of multiple short stuns. Also, Mesmer isn’t overpowered at all, only the player is overpowered.

If you are curious on the build, this is what I was using at the time: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQJAWRlknpUt1oxMNcrNipxYybih0BcwAlskxB-TZxHABseEAC4CAAwjAQpyAzs/AA

It has to be Master Mesmer Rylock. The most op mesmer player in gw2 since beta. I have to modify my signature to put mesmer as number 1 instead of ele for this category.

well maybe it was my fault for sticking with guardian meditations are powerful but very predictable
signets for cc not very useful (almost no body uses them)
and i was bored to play bunker all the time
with my new character thief its a lot less painful to deal with mesmers i dont say i beat them all but i have a lot more tools to counter them and im still learning the class

LightningBlaze.4913:

Warlord of Chaos.7845:

Oh I remember you. You asked about my build after I made you two literally explode lol. I cant remember if this was team q or hotjoin, but I was running my 6 4 4 build with gs staff. I got a very lucky first hit stun chaos storm on both of you which gave me 10 stacks of might instantly. During this time I swapped to gs and used my mantra to stun both of you again to get 20 stacks of might from while casting my izerker. From there I mirror bladed, mind stabbed, and mind wracked in the course of the 1 second stun to down both of you almost instantly. I will be honest and say it was kinda luck based but it did happen, with the OP slightly exaggerating. It wasn’t really a long stun, it was a series of multiple short stuns. Also, Mesmer isn’t overpowered at all, only the player is overpowered.

If you are curious on the build, this is what I was using at the time: http://gw2skills.net/editor/?fhAQJAWRlknpUt1oxMNcrNipxYybih0BcwAlskxB-TZxHABseEAC4CAAwjAQpyAzs/AA

It has to be Master Mesmer Rylock. The most op mesmer player in gw2 since beta. I have to modify my signature to put mesmer as number 1 instead of ele for this category.

I literally just spilled my water laughing at this. Thanks Heidia

now that was a funny post but seriously hes that good?

kyubi.3620:

now that was a funny post but seriously hes that good?

he apparently is best na interrupt mesmer, well ofc there is always that one asian better than someone else, but he might be asian as well! anyway , he is best of the known mesmers.

and i killed 4 enemys at once w a single s/d ele combo so yeeee, ppl should stop stacking in pvp, go back to pve w it!

(was in hotjoin too)

kyubi.3620:

now that was a funny post but seriously hes that good?

You’d better believe it.

kyubi.3620:

now that was a funny post but seriously hes that good?

He’s so good he almost reminds me of me. Almost.

well no shame in loosing then I guess GG (still has a long way to go)

It appears that Really good Mesmer was not so farfetched.

Stability would have saved you still.

Azure The Heartless.3261:

It appears that Really good Mesmer was not so farfetched.

Stability would have saved you still.

Best interrupt build also comes with boon rip.

Guardians hard countered by mesmer anyway. That’s just how it is. It takes an amazing guardian with the right build to go toe to toe with a Mesmer. I’ve only ever encountered 1, and they succumb eventually anyway.

Don’t want a Mesmer to kill you? Pick any direction, any direction at all, you have full and complete freedom of choice here. Now start moving in it. Ok, a bit exaggerated, but it almost is the case. If they don’t blow you up in their burst, or if they’re simply not built for burst, you can just leg it in a direction and we can’t catch you.

Also, focus us with your team when you spot us. We’re annoying, we deal relatively good AoE burst damage. But we’re squishy and have limited defenses, so pressure us to use them all and down us, or at the very least to get out—you’ll be fine. It’s one of the mistakes I see opposing teams not taking care of when I’ve watched these sPvP streams on Twitch. They leave the Mesmer alone and/or don’t focus him/her enough to get out.

I find mesmer to be very strong main issue I have (soloq) is that is still takes quite a bit of time to down warriors they seem to soak up full shatters like no one else.

jihm.2315:

doesnt a class that you have to roll and play countless hours just to understand how it works so you stand a chance of beating them with the class that you actually like playing … just to stand a chance?
sorry but this sounds insanely op.
i hate the style of mesmers and im absolutely not going to spend my time playing one lol.

Actually this is a bit of a misconception although it is easier to learn via playing you CAN learn to over come opponents and builds just with info from the wiki and dueling it over and over. If you can obtain the knowledge other ways and have no interest in playing anything other than your main you’ll still be able to win.

Disliking how a class plays and not wanting to waste your muscle memory on it is understandable but it doesn’t seem like you’ve been playing long and your lack of game sense is going to be a hindrance.

This doesn’t make the class OP.

And frankly zerk guard is a fairly decent counter to any glass Mes spec. You have an easier time holding momentum or denying the mesmer momentum. If there were more Mesmers in your position they’d be crying OP against you.

Side note to QQ in general:
Frankly imo although I don’t think rank means much but I don’t believe anyone under shark or phoenix after the changes and how long the game has been out has any validity to claim something is OP.