Guild Wars 2

Hall of Monument achievements now give 50 points each instead of 2. Gave me a nice boost of 480 points.

I was not sure where those ~500 points were coming from

hopefully they don’t take them back

Oh well that is lovely, free points for the win

Very nice, although I think this is a bug.

NO its is not a bug shhhhhhhhhhhh.

Uther Deathhand.1570:

NO its is not a bug shhhhhhhhhhhh.

Hope not. I got pushed to 7.8k AP with it.

Can a dev respond to this thread?

This push sucks srsly…

i forgot my gw1 login and pw…

and 50 points are a bad joke…

i mean 5 points are ok, but how can people get that points?

right! never! or it take ages…

oooh now i realize why i jump from 5k to 5.2k when i log, Thank you Anet

Hopefully this just means they’re reevaluating the worth of all their achievements. Before values were kind of arbitrary since they didn’t matter, but now that they give rewards it’s different. It makes sense that achievements that take a lot more effort should reward a fair amount more points after all.

This is certainly a nice update for those who had the dedication to complete various achievements in GW1. However, just wait. Those who did not play GW1 and were higher on the leaderboard than some are going come here and QQ and QQ for days and days.

It just not ok for the people who never played gw1… how ppl who got high achievement points can get that 500 points? From playing ages gw1? Srsly its a joke…

Title and items are ok imo. 20 points too. But 500 is just to much.

Persie.4701:

This push sucks srsly…

i forgot my gw1 login and pw…

If you linked your account, it replaces your NCsoft login with your GW2 login.

Actually it isn’t fair for those who haven’t played GW1. They are both totally different games, and shouldn’t be interrelated at all. Guild Wars 1 is still there, go play it if you want a “sense of achievement”. This isn’t an expansion pack!

I mean I would understand adding cosmetic gifts at the start for those who played GW1 as an incentive to start GW2, but you haven’t actually achieved anything in GW2 yet, and acquiring those points for playing another game doesn’t make sense.

It kind of makes me sad that a few of my friends I compete with for fun have leapfrogged me due to things they did in an entirely different game that I’ve never played

Not taking anything away from your GW1 achievements, but presumably you got rewarded for those already in GW1. Not sure why they should carry over at all, but 500 points seems massive for a whole different game, especially given that after hundreds and hundreds of hours in WvW I have a total of around 70 achievement points to show for it :p

Hyung.6140:

It kind of makes me sad that a few of my friends I compete with for fun have leapfrogged me due to things they did in an entirely different game that I’ve never played

Not taking anything away from your GW1 achievements, but presumably you got rewarded for those already in GW1. Not sure why they should carry over at all, but 500 points seems massive for a whole different game, especially given that after hundreds and hundreds of hours in WvW I have a total of around 70 achievement points to show for it :p

Exactly!!! Thank you!

Ya thanks alot arenanet, you totally ruined the competive aspect of achievment points, been doing every daily and fighting for the other achievments aswell for quite many weeks now to climb the ranks and now i get pushed back 400ranks (from 34 to 47 on my server).
Altough i dont think HoM shouldn’t give any points just the titles i can accept a few points but 500points is just way to much for something that isn’t even in the game.

And no im not mad because you guys get gold and other bonuses, im mad because it now feel kinda pointless to try and catch up 500 points on the leaderboards.

From GW2’s inception, GW1 was meant to have a carry over presence in both lore and tangible rewards.

The measly 2 AP points per tier was a joke. A token tip of the hat, if you will. This increase is more representative of their worth. Don’t come in here and QQ about achievement rebalances. If it bothers you that much, go get your dues in GW1.

Thanks Anet for standing up, and recognizing our GW1 efforts with an appropriate AP reward.

…next on the AP rebalance should be a reworking of WvW. I’d also like to see an increase for equipping legendary weapons. 5 points per, isn’t appropriate.

Firebaall.5127:

From GW2’s inception, GW1 was meant to have a carry over presence in both lore and tangible rewards.

The measly 2 AP points per tier was a joke. A token tip of the hat, if you will. This increase is more representative of their worth. Don’t come in here and QQ about achievement rebalances. If it bothers you that much, go get your dues in GW1.

Thanks Anet for standing up, and recognizing our GW1 efforts with an appropriate AP reward.

…next on the AP rebalance should be a reworking of WvW. I’d also like to see an increase for equipping legendary weapons. 5 points per, isn’t appropriate.

Get our dues in GW1? This isn’t an expansion pack, it is a totally new release. Of course the lore carries on, duh, however the achievement points represents how much of the in game content you finished. It shouldn’t be affected by some other release. Makes no sense! If they sent you a chest or a direct reward, whatever, no one cares, but adding achievement points to look as if you achieved more in GW2, this is totally wrong.

I think the real reason why people complain about the increased points for HoM is that they did not play GW1 before the release of GW2.

The rewards for all the hard work in GW1 are mostly just cosmetic and many GW1 players felt like they did not really get a lot out of it (a lot of players in GW1 did not fill their HoM for GW2 reward points anyway). You are blaming people who showed dedication to GW1 for exactly that dedication, claiming that GW2 is a different game while the two are actually connected. You are lacking the feeling of continuity and that is what you do not like. Think about new GW2 players who can’t ever catch up to you in points, does the idea make you feel better?

You guys can still play GW1 if you care about some points that much. You do not want to take the effort for that? GW1 HoM points do not come that easy, alright.

Again, many GW1 veterans did not care about the HoM rewards for GW2 anyway, that is not why they filled their HoM up in the first place. Many already had their hall filled when the GW2 rewards were announced.

I for my part noticed the increase in GW2 achievement points and then moved on. I do not define enjoyment in this game through some point score.

Azraeel.1238:

Hyung.6140:

It kind of makes me sad that a few of my friends I compete with for fun have leapfrogged me due to things they did in an entirely different game that I’ve never played

Not taking anything away from your GW1 achievements, but presumably you got rewarded for those already in GW1. Not sure why they should carry over at all, but 500 points seems massive for a whole different game, especially given that after hundreds and hundreds of hours in WvW I have a total of around 70 achievement points to show for it :p

Exactly!!! Thank you!

That’s not a problem with HoM points. That’s a problem with WvW points. They are two separate issues.

They said since the beginning you would be rewarded for your progress in Guild Wars 1. This is yet another reward, and not that big of a deal. If it is, Guild Wars 1 is cheap, and there are many guides out there to help you fill your HoM.

I don’t really see what’s unfair about this. You are more than welcome to go play GW1 and get those points. They are still available for you to earn if you want to compete.

Hopefully they adjust more of the achievements up based on difficulty to get.

Persie.4701:

and 50 points are a bad joke…

i mean 5 points are ok, but how can people get that points?

By working really, really hard. Harder than 95% of other GW2 achieves together.

Mario Lemieux.9107:

I think people who played GW1 enough and were dedicated enough to fill their Hall of Monuments deserve a little more than 2 achievement points per tier. This seems fair to those who were dedicated to GW1.

I completely disagree. I think achievement points in this game should come from actually playing this game. The special titles, cosmetics and minipets are more than enough to make those who spent time in GW1 stand out. Perhaps they should have done more of that stuff for you guys. But giving you more points for playing a different game? I personally don’t feel it’s right. I mean there are people who are getting more points for doing something in GW1 than I do for getting a Legendary in GW2. That’s not right.

And the responses saying “Oh just go play GW1 to get points” aren’t reasonable at all. Getting those points takes years of dedication.. and again.. isn’t playing this game.

So … is this turning into “I don’t have those points so you shouldn’t either”? Cuz that’s what it looks like to me…

Firebaall.5127:

From GW2’s inception, GW1 was meant to have a carry over presence in both lore and tangible rewards.

The measly 2 AP points per tier was a joke. A token tip of the hat, if you will. This increase is more representative of their worth. Don’t come in here and QQ about achievement rebalances. If it bothers you that much, go get your dues in GW1.

Thanks Anet for standing up, and recognizing our GW1 efforts with an appropriate AP reward.

…next on the AP rebalance should be a reworking of WvW. I’d also like to see an increase for equipping legendary weapons. 5 points per, isn’t appropriate.

Have to agree with you. They need to fix the WvW achievements, and the PvP ones while they are at it.

So … is this turning into “I don’t have those points so you shouldn’t either”? Cuz that’s what it looks like to me…

Sadly yes it is. Which is silly. If my friends suddenly got a bunch of ap I would be happy for them. I wouldn’t say “well that’s not fair, I want those rewards too”. Simple enough really, go earn them.

I do agree that WvW and PvP ones are in far more need of a revamp/boost than the HoM ones were, but that is for a seperate thread honestly.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

I don’t really see what’s unfair about this. You are more than welcome to go play GW1 and get those points. They are still available for you to earn if you want to compete.

I think the point is that it’s a whole different game. Presumably people were already rewarded in GW1 for their achievements there – why do they need to be rewarded twice, and in a whole different game to boot?

I don’t own GW1, and had enjoyed casually racing with my friends to see who could get the most achievement points. Now suddenly they’re pushed 500 points up, a gap I’m never going to realistically close (we have around 8000 points now so all the easy pickings are gone!).

I wouldn’t mind if they went off and did a bunch of stuff in GW2 and raced ahead of me. I’d be impressed and pleased for them.

But the fact that they’ve been rewarded (again) for things they did in a completely different game is a bit sad, and has removed the fun of that race for me.

I don’t want to give the impression I’m incredibly bothered by this – like I said this was just a little bit of extra fun, and it won’t affect my life too much at all. It’s just a pity that that extra bit of fun has gone!

(to those saying I should go buy GW1 and grind out the achievements there… that’s really not an option – why should I have to grind out stuff in a different game just to have a level playing field with my friends in this one? There’s plenty else to enjoy in this game so I’ll just enjoy all the rest, but I’ll no longer enjoy the friendly achievement race and that’s disappointing.)

SynfulChaot.3169:

So … is this turning into “I don’t have those points so you shouldn’t either”? Cuz that’s what it looks like to me…

No, I think people just want a level playing field in this game.

Lothirieth.3408:

SynfulChaot.3169:

So … is this turning into “I don’t have those points so you shouldn’t either”? Cuz that’s what it looks like to me…

No, I think people just want a level playing field in this game.

And they can have it by going and playing GW1. There is a Hall of Monuments in GW2 and GW1. Fill it in GW1 and reap the rewards in GW2. It’s pretty simple, not to mention it is a GREAT game. People that haven’t played it will be doing themselves a favor by playing it.

Iason Evan.3806:

Lothirieth.3408:

SynfulChaot.3169:

So … is this turning into “I don’t have those points so you shouldn’t either”? Cuz that’s what it looks like to me…

No, I think people just want a level playing field in this game.

And they can have it by going and playing GW1. There is a Hall of Monuments in GW2 and GW1. Fill it in GW1 and reap the rewards in GW2. It’s pretty simple, not to mention it is a GREAT game. People that haven’t played it will be doing themselves a favor by playing it.

Pay to win???

I did not play GW1 so maybe i am bias, but i do beleive that you should only get rewarded for the work you do in THIS game. People that already did the HoM already have special mini, if ranger you also get special pets, special armor, and not 500 free AP. It seems a little much.

When you start playing a game, you want even playing field, not for the die-hards of the game before to already have a one-up on you. I kinda always disliked the way GW1 carried over but this is a little much…..

Yes i know GW1 was a grind, i played Aion instead and that was just as much if not more of a grind

Both marketed by NcSoft, can i get skins and AP from there also?

Lothirieth.3408:

SynfulChaot.3169:

So … is this turning into “I don’t have those points so you shouldn’t either”? Cuz that’s what it looks like to me…

No, I think people just want a level playing field in this game.

Do other people having more points than you hurt your rewards? NO.

Its awesome how as soon as rewards are introduced people start crying and trying to take things away from others. I never played GW1 and I could give a kitten if people who did get 500 or 5000 AP from them. It doesnt hurt me at all and it rewards longtime fans.

@Kingzook – Pay to win?? What are they winning?

Some of you need to reevaluate your life if you think this is “unfair”, its a couple points in a video game. I would hate to see how you act in real life if this is causing you so much stress.

This is as sad as the people crying about dailies counting.

displacedTitan.6897:

Do other people having more points than you hurt your rewards? NO.

Its awesome how as soon as rewards are introduced people start crying and trying to take things away from others. I never played GW1 and I could give a kitten if people who did get 500 or 5000 AP from them. It doesnt hurt me at all and it rewards longtime fans.

Some of you need to reevaluate your life if you think this is “unfair”, its a couple points in a video game. I would hate to see how you act in real life if this is causing you so much stress.

actually it does, and that is what makes it matter, imo

When the new Ap rewards system, they mean another box

Kingzook.1620:

displacedTitan.6897:

Do other people having more points than you hurt your rewards? NO.

Its awesome how as soon as rewards are introduced people start crying and trying to take things away from others. I never played GW1 and I could give a kitten if people who did get 500 or 5000 AP from them. It doesnt hurt me at all and it rewards longtime fans.

Some of you need to reevaluate your life if you think this is “unfair”, its a couple points in a video game. I would hate to see how you act in real life if this is causing you so much stress.

actually it does, and that is what makes it matter, imo

When the new Ap rewards system, they mean another box

Tell me how them getting another box hurts you… I will wait.

HINT: It doesn’t

HoM is more of an achievement than most things existing in the game. took me about 1 month to finish.

Achievement points were never competitive. You could get a tonne from salvaging and finishing dungeons. You can get them from both PvE and PvE dailies and monthlies. There are so many every single day to get. They also strongly favoured people who got points before the monthly/daily nerf.

If achievement points had been restricted to one offs they would have been competitive.The current system of achievement points was just silly and was a trivial grind favouring the person with the least amount of things to do outside of the game.

Shiren.9532:

Achievement points were never competitive. You could get a tonne from salvaging and finishing dungeons. You can get them from both PvE and PvE dailies and monthlies. There are so many every single day to get. They also strongly favoured people who got points before the monthly/daily nerf.

If achievement points had been restricted to one offs they would have been competitive.The current system of achievement points was just silly and was a trivial grind favouring the person with the least amount of things to do outside of the game.

i agree, anyone who grinds achievement points as a competitive measure…that’s just silly.

It’s not just pay to win, it’s pay and put in a ton of effort to win. And you won’t just get achievement points, you’ll get titles, skins, items, learn a lot about the lore, and most importantly, you will have fun playing a great game. Also, it is ridiculously cheap! You can get the trilogy( Prophecies, Factions, and Nightfall) for only $20!!! and then you can get Eye of the North for $20! Hopefully now that the rewards have received the point boost they sorely needed, more people will be encouraged to go play Guild Wars. ( And then with our new forces we can convince ArenaNet to finish adding Guild Wars: Beyond, like they said they would!)

I dont personally care about anchiement points that much.
But indeed i see there are maby a few people maby like hyung who enjoy from such a little things as anchiement race.
Those guys who got anchiement points from this didnt rlly “gain” anything they rlly need, whereas guys like hyung lose something from this.

Id say some super cool armors or weapons or boosts or whatever would be ok and wouldnt hurt anyone. I dont know are those guys in AP leading boards actually broud of this little advance or would they rather play equally amongs other with same intrests who didnt happen to play gw1.

Its only my opinion though, this doesnt consern me at any level so dont care very much.

displacedTitan.6897:

Tell me how them getting another box hurts you… I will wait.

HINT: It doesn’t

Here’s the skinny. Someone that put in the time and effort (and it is extensive) to get GWAMM in GW1 is basically being rewarded with enough achievement points for one reward chest. Believe me, they’ve earned it. It’s a nice gesture by ANet to we old GW junkies (don’t have GWAMM, got a bit past 30 done iirc…).

As far as those leader boards go… hell, I forgot they even existed.

displacedTitan.6897:

Tell me how them getting another box hurts you… I will wait.

HINT: Inflation

Well, that was easy.

displacedTitan.6897:

Tell me how them getting another box hurts you… I will wait.

HINT: It doesn’t

I think I’ve pretty clearly said that it doesn’t!

The sadness for me is that it ruins a bit of casual fun between friends comparing achievement points, that’s all. A very small thing, but still a negative very small thing!

Hope that clears up where I’m coming from

Oh, so this is what it was. Thanks Anet, I must say I always thought the 2 points was a slap in the face for all the time I spent on those achievements and the promises of great rewards in GW2. This is much better, much appreciated.

It ruins the fun for some people because they think those 500 points are the reason why they can’t feel superior to those who have them.

I already said so, what about people who started playing GW2 recently and can never catch up in AP to you, or never get a Fused weapon?

People who have HoM points or GWAMM title are being rewarded for considerable effort in a game that is linked to this one. This was announced years ago, long before GW2 started. And unlike temporary content in this game anyone can still get achievements in GW1.

But i think some people will just not get it and scream “unfair” if it’s something they do not have but others do.

But hey, people can always go back and look at their WoW achievements which they did while others played GW1.

Frosch.7809:

It ruins the fun for some people because they think those 500 points are the reason why they can’t feel superior to those who have them.

I already said so, what about people who started playing GW2 recently and can never catch up in AP to you, or never get a Fused weapon?

People who have HoM points or GWAMM title are being rewarded for considerable effort in a game that is linked to this one. This was announced years ago, long before GW2 started. And unlike temporary content in this game anyone can still get achievements in GW1.

But i think some people will just not get it and scream “unfair” if it’s something they do not have but others do.

But hey, people can always go back and look at their WoW achievements which they did while others played GW1.

Not sure if you’re talking to me or not, but I’m not sure any of that is applicable to what I’ve been saying.

It’s not about ‘feeling superior’ – I’m just going to miss the friendly competition with a couple of guildmates.

I’m also not screaming about it… I believe I’ve just made a couple of level-headed posts pointing out that I’m a little sad a small source of friendly fun has been removed as it’s no longer close to a level playing field between us (us being people I actually know and joke with about achievement points).

I’m definitely not saying people shouldn’t be rewarded for their GW1 achievements. I’m sure they’re very difficult and everyone who has them should be very proud.

I agree with you that it’s bad that people who start now can’t get a whole load of past achievements, in the same way that it’s bad that people who’ve never played another game can’t get everything in this one.