Guild Wars 2

I got my chaos gun for 2 silvers apparently the seller never read patch notes and want to abuse the listing fee bug =)

Congrats. I’m not sure why you felt the need to post this here.
While we’re posting meaningless content, one time I sat in a sofa.

While I personally never used or even knew about this bug before it was patched, I have on occasion put a wrong buy order on an item – for example, instead of submitting 2 silver, I submitted 200 gold or a similar stupid mistake. And in those cases, the TP is very forgiving. I’m just worried that the current system doesn’t forgive a genuine mistake.

Buttercup.5871:

While I personally never used or even knew about this bug before it was patched, I have on occasion put a wrong buy order on an item – for example, instead of submitting 2 silver, I submitted 200 gold or a similar stupid mistake. And in those cases, the TP is very forgiving. I’m just worried that the current system doesn’t forgive a genuine mistake.

There really isn’t a way to make a genuine mistake. You have to manually change it to not sell to the highest buy order. It starts with the highest sell order in the box.

Anyone who did this had to delete all the numbers out of the gold column manually and then try and sell.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Buttercup.5871:

While I personally never used or even knew about this bug before it was patched, I have on occasion put a wrong buy order on an item – for example, instead of submitting 2 silver, I submitted 200 gold or a similar stupid mistake. And in those cases, the TP is very forgiving. I’m just worried that the current system doesn’t forgive a genuine mistake.

There really isn’t a way to make a genuine mistake. You have to manually change it to not sell to the highest buy order. It starts with the highest sell order in the box.

Anyone who did this had to delete all the numbers out of the gold column manually and then try and sell.

And that’s where a genuine mistake can happen.

Say the highest buy order for an item is buying it for 39.50s

The lowest seller for said item is 45.50s, but I want to sell it for higher.

So I list the item for 49.50s, but oh no, I made a mistake, instead I listed it for 9.50s and it automatically gets sold at that price.

Is that not a genuine mistake?

Sidenote: I’ve never made this mistake, and I think the OP’s post is hilarious, just saying that mistakes can happen.

Lambent.6375:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Buttercup.5871:

While I personally never used or even knew about this bug before it was patched, I have on occasion put a wrong buy order on an item – for example, instead of submitting 2 silver, I submitted 200 gold or a similar stupid mistake. And in those cases, the TP is very forgiving. I’m just worried that the current system doesn’t forgive a genuine mistake.

There really isn’t a way to make a genuine mistake. You have to manually change it to not sell to the highest buy order. It starts with the highest sell order in the box.

Anyone who did this had to delete all the numbers out of the gold column manually and then try and sell.

And that’s where a genuine mistake can happen.

Say the highest buy order for an item is buying it for 39.50s

The lowest seller for said item is 45.50s, but I want to sell it for higher.

So I list the item for 49.50s, but oh no, I made a mistake, instead I listed it for 9.50s and it automatically gets sold at that price.

Is that not a genuine mistake?

Sidenote: I’ve never made this mistake, and I think the OP’s post is hilarious, just saying that mistakes can happen.

You click the option for lowest seller, then you increase the price from there. Mistake or not, Anet’s not going to distinguish between someone avoiding listing fees and someone who made a mistake.

I honestly don’t know you can by pass the listing fee before. But I know you can sell to the lowest seller even if you list lower than it(that’s how this kind of exchange system works, for example the trade market).

Anet probably going to delete this post again because they care more about protecting themself than make people aware of the issue.

Aidan Savage.2078:

Lambent.6375:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Buttercup.5871:

While I personally never used or even knew about this bug before it was patched, I have on occasion put a wrong buy order on an item – for example, instead of submitting 2 silver, I submitted 200 gold or a similar stupid mistake. And in those cases, the TP is very forgiving. I’m just worried that the current system doesn’t forgive a genuine mistake.

There really isn’t a way to make a genuine mistake. You have to manually change it to not sell to the highest buy order. It starts with the highest sell order in the box.

Anyone who did this had to delete all the numbers out of the gold column manually and then try and sell.

And that’s where a genuine mistake can happen.

Say the highest buy order for an item is buying it for 39.50s

The lowest seller for said item is 45.50s, but I want to sell it for higher.

So I list the item for 49.50s, but oh no, I made a mistake, instead I listed it for 9.50s and it automatically gets sold at that price.

Is that not a genuine mistake?

Sidenote: I’ve never made this mistake, and I think the OP’s post is hilarious, just saying that mistakes can happen.

You click the option for lowest seller, then you increase the price from there. Mistake or not, Anet’s not going to distinguish between someone avoiding listing fees and someone who made a mistake.

If someone LISTS an item for LOWER than the highest buy order, it should automatically say no, or match highest buy order. Same with putting an order higher than the lowest listing.

I’ve accidentally put up buy orders for (example) 2g per item instead of 2s per item, on multiple occasions, luckily I didn’t get screwed over yet. (2g x 250… yeah, dangerous)

I’ve definitely messed up sell listings, but not detrimentally low like in the OP’s example, but those occurrences should not be able to take place. It should cancel or match highest buy order.

I can understand fixing the exploit but there really wasn’t the need to add the penalty in the attempt by removing the automatic lower cap.

Behellagh.1468:

I can understand fixing the exploit but there really wasn’t the need to add the penalty in the attempt by removing the automatic lower cap.

I’m sure people would think otherwise when they realize the alternative is an account suspension for attempting to exploit, purposefully or not.

If it’s fixed, calculating and charging the bid fee, then why suspend? I can see users being all thumbs or rushing messing up and clicking OK to soon. The two logical design responses of going below the current high bid should be either capping, which it did before, or generating an error message.

I don’t understand breaking existing unrelated behavior while fixing a bug. The software developer in me says that’s wrong Aidan.

Isnt it also wrong to not allow people to sell at the price they’re clearly entering in? If the buyers are offering 100-1000 times what you want to sell for, and you dont want that much money (god knows why), why should Anet force you to sell for that much?

Keep in mind that previously, the only reason people would list at such a low price is to bypass the listing fees while still getting the money out of the highest buy offer. So the fix they provided gives players exactly what they ask for. No longer can you list at 10 silver to pay less than 2 silver in fees and get a stack of 1k-3k gold for the item.

Aidan Savage.2078:

Isnt it also wrong to not allow people to sell at the price they’re clearly entering in? If the buyers are offering 100-1000 times what you want to sell for, and you dont want that much money (god knows why), why should Anet force you to sell for that much?

Keep in mind that previously, the only reason people would list at such a low price is to bypass the listing fees while still getting the money out of the highest buy offer. So the fix they provided gives players exactly what they ask for. No longer can you list at 10 silver to pay less than 2 silver in fees and get a stack of 1k-3k gold for the item.

I think plenty of people have listed wrong. Which is besides the point that “normally” if you entered a number lower than the lowest bidding. It should automatically sell it to the lowest bidding.

A while ago people are complaining because they removed the option to bank gold. Because humans do make error.

Besides it is common sense, if someone listed lower it should sell at the lowest bidding price. So people that have this “common sense” might get screwed and sell something that worth 2000 gold for 2 silver.

laokoko.7403:

common sense

Common sense would dictate that if they’re selling it to the highest bidder, they’d choose that option in the trading post interface. Which, as I’ve just verified, is the default option when choosing to sell an item in your inventory. Previously, if they voluntarily lowered the price beyond even that much, they did so with the explicit intent of bypassing the trading post fees via an exploit. Attempting to exploit to not lose gold when selling is clearly not common sense.

Common sense is when Anet fixes the trade post to give sellers exactly what they list for. You list for 10 silver, 2 silver, whatever, that’s exactly what you get. And all you people griping about accidentally listing buy orders for 2g instead of 2s? Big deal. All that happens is the trade post sells you X items that you ordered at the listing prices of sell orders and refunds you the difference. Case in point, I just placed an order for 1 minor sigil of debility, offering 2 silver. The buy offer was filled instantly, and instead of paying 1 silver for the sigil, I paid 17 copper, and the remaining 83 was refunded.

Aidan Savage.2078:

laokoko.7403:

common sense

Common sense would dictate that if they’re selling it to the highest bidder, they’d choose that option in the trading post interface. Which, as I’ve just verified, is the default option when choosing to sell an item in your inventory. Previously, if they voluntarily lowered the price beyond even that much, they did so with the explicit intent of bypassing the trading post fees via an exploit. Attempting to exploit to not lose gold when selling is clearly not common sense.

Common sense is when Anet fixes the trade post to give sellers exactly what they list for. You list for 10 silver, 2 silver, whatever, that’s exactly what you get. And all you people griping about accidentally listing buy orders for 2g instead of 2s? Big deal. All that happens is the trade post sells you X items that you ordered at the listing prices of sell orders and refunds you the difference. Case in point, I just placed an order for 1 minor sigil of debility, offering 2 silver. The buy offer was filled instantly, and instead of paying 1 silver for the sigil, I paid 17 copper, and the remaining 83 was refunded.

I think the reality is it is too difficult for Anet to fix it like what it suppose to like how it works normally(like the stock market).

Take any stock market program, If I list it below the price it just automatically sell it to the lowest bidder right?

Hack I remember people asking to add a personal bank, some anet mod says it is too difficult for them to implement it after they made some database change.

I’m not surprised seeing how long it take them to add a last online feature. That being said, they probably just want to cover how much players they lost. Which isn’t a terrible idea, seeing how it gave players a way to bash games like ESO, because right now most of the guilds have people stopped logging on.

I think it’s quite a shock how game studio can’t design a simple trade system working properly. Take diablo 3, being build by the largest studio, players can’t even make a simple trade without being scammed by trade hack.

Anet is probably in the same shoes. They just can’t design their game properly.

You’re missing the point laokoko. It’s not going to sell to the lowest bidder, because they’ve offered a pitiful price. It’s going to sell to the highest bidder because they’ve bid a high price in order to receive that item first.

At this point you either dont understand or being willfully obtuse.

Aidan Savage.2078:

You’re missing the point laokoko. It’s not going to sell to the lowest bidder, because they’ve offered a pitiful price. It’s going to sell to the highest bidder because they’ve bid a high price in order to receive that item first.

At this point you either dont understand or being willfully obtuse.

So if I try to buy a dusk for 10,000 gold shouldn’t I pay 10,000 gold to the seller instead of buying it for 1000 from the highest seller?

That’s not how it work right? If I overpaid I pay the lowest seller price and get the item.

So every single trade market using that trade system function like that. Either Anet dont’ know how it suppose to work, or they just can’t fix it.

Aidan, it’s not that they wanted to sell it to the highest bidder, it’s that they were entering a sell price, mistyped it and hit sell. I’ve done that with bids and I’ve unintentionally overpriced an item and in my rush clicked sell just as I realized what I entered. In that case I’m only out of the 5% order fee. If I underpriced it I would be out of the item (even in the old system that capped the price) but also out of a large chunk of money for it.

My point is user error shouldn’t be so harshly punished. You can’t assume that all underbids are intentional and therefore this punishment justified. You either cap it or generate an error, just as if they give the OK to buy something at price X and now there are no more at that price. The TP doesn’t assume the next price level is OK so why not error it out?

Or even better, a simple solution is just to check the sale price, and if it’s under the highest offer, sell to that offer for that price and take the 15% tax. It functions exactly the same because it won’t just be listed, you’re selling it immediately, and is a much tamer punishment for mistakes than selling a Dusk for 100 or 10 gold instead of 1000.

laokoko.7403:

It should automatically sell it to the lowest bidding.

Not long ago we had forum poster saying that he didn’t understand why he can’t sell an item for whatever price he wants, and he said there were “full maps” of people with the same mindset. Well, now they can, and they should be happy for that.

The point is, no matter what Anet does, they can’t please everyone.

kuittaa.7360:

laokoko.7403:

It should automatically sell it to the lowest bidding.

Not long ago we had forum poster saying that he didn’t understand why he can’t sell an item for whatever price he wants, and he said there were “full maps” of people with the same mindset. Well, now they can, and they should be happy for that.

The point is, no matter what Anet does, they can’t please everyone.

So, rather than pleasing the majority of the player base, they should please the 5 people who actually want to sell lower than the highest buy order? That’s a terrible defense for Anet’s solution to the “problem”.

It really does seem like, as was mentioned above, Anet just doesn’t know how to code it properly so they take the easiest path and set themselves to ignore mode.

cranked.3812:

So, rather than pleasing the majority of the player base, they should please the 5 people who actually want to sell lower than the highest buy order? That’s a terrible defense for Anet’s solution to the “problem”.

It really does seem like, as was mentioned above, Anet just doesn’t know how to code it properly so they take the easiest path and set themselves to ignore mode.

I agree, as defense it is terrible. However, I don’t see a need for defense. If player is careless enough to ignore double-checking the price (s)he typed on expensive item, it is not Anet’s fault.

kuittaa.7360:

cranked.3812:

So, rather than pleasing the majority of the player base, they should please the 5 people who actually want to sell lower than the highest buy order? That’s a terrible defense for Anet’s solution to the “problem”.

It really does seem like, as was mentioned above, Anet just doesn’t know how to code it properly so they take the easiest path and set themselves to ignore mode.

I agree, as defense it is terrible. However, I don’t see a need for defense. If player is careless enough to ignore double-checking the price (s)he typed on expensive item, it is not Anet’s fault.

I think there will be people presumably think that it automatically sell at lowest bidder price because that’s how it works usually(eg stock market). And it is how it works for 2 years.

So with the number of transaction everyday. There will be people that mistakenly did it just because they don’t have the knowledge of it.

There will probably not be a lot of people that did the mistake, but there will be people making the mistake.

Regardless, it is “better” if it works like how it is before right? (beside they need to deduct the tax).

I think the word “fault” is a big word. But if it is the stock market, and I loss money because the broker don’t know to sell at lowest bidder price. I’m probably suing the company, especially since that is how it is run for ages.

Sorasky.3517:

I got my chaos gun for 2 silvers apparently the seller never read patch notes and want to abuse the listing fee bug =)

You got your Chaos gun fair and square, but don’t come here to brag about it.
No matter if he was trying to abuse the tp, think about him just loosing it. You really shouldn’t feel so good about it, I know I wouldn’t.
Unless you wan’t Karma to come kick your kitten one day.

jokke.6239:

Sorasky.3517:

I got my chaos gun for 2 silvers apparently the seller never read patch notes and want to abuse the listing fee bug =)

You got your Chaos gun fair and square, but don’t come here to brag about it.
No matter if he was trying to abuse the tp, think about him just loosing it. You really shouldn’t feel so good about it, I know I wouldn’t.
Unless you wan’t Karma to come kick your kitten one day.

Think about him loosing it… are you serious?? He tried to exploit.
I feel no pity for him, it’s well deserved. Next time he can pay the taxes like everybody else.

There is actually a major bug that personally caused me to lose 50g but could potentially have cost me thousands. If you right click an item to say “sell on trading post” and then switch to another item and sell that item instead, you will instead sell the item you initially clicked for whatever you sold the second item for.

In my case, I right-clicked a lovestruck focus, but ended up trying to sell a keeper’s recipe for 20g. I ended up selling the lovestruck focus for 20g, when the highest buy order was like 60g.

This could have happened to chaos gun dude if he right-clicked chaos gun but then tried to sell some iron ore.

Jabberwock.9014:

There is actually a major bug that personally caused me to lose 50g but could potentially have cost me thousands. If you right click an item to say “sell on trading post” and then switch to another item and sell that item instead, you will instead sell the item you initially clicked for whatever you sold the second item for.

In my case, I right-clicked a lovestruck focus, but ended up trying to sell a keeper’s recipe for 20g. I ended up selling the lovestruck focus for 20g, when the highest buy order was like 60g.

This could have happened to chaos gun dude if he right-clicked chaos gun but then tried to sell some iron ore.

If that’s true then it is certainly a bug, and I would submit a ticket about it too.

Lambent.6375:

So I list the item for 49.50s, but oh no, I made a mistake, instead I listed it for 9.50s and it automatically gets sold at that price.

Is that not a genuine mistake?

That’s a rather stupid mistake as the interface asks you to confirm the value before submitting it…. If you blindly click thru the safeguards they already have in place then you hardly have anyone to blame but yourself.

Jabberwock.9014:

There is actually a major bug that personally caused me to lose 50g but could potentially have cost me thousands. If you right click an item to say “sell on trading post” and then switch to another item and sell that item instead, you will instead sell the item you initially clicked for whatever you sold the second item for.

In my case, I right-clicked a lovestruck focus, but ended up trying to sell a keeper’s recipe for 20g. I ended up selling the lovestruck focus for 20g, when the highest buy order was like 60g.

This could have happened to chaos gun dude if he right-clicked chaos gun but then tried to sell some iron ore.

I, too, have encountered this issue and it has cost me several dozens of gold in listing fees when I go from a lower value item to a higher value item and then it lists my Iron Ore for 20g or something insane.

There was a thread the day of the patch of a guy who lost Dusk for a few silver. It got deleted because it ‘discussed’ exploits.

This thread is on the opposite side of that, where a guy has gained a precursor for cheap. But it’s not deleted.

???

Vol.7601:

There was a thread the day of the patch of a guy who lost Dusk for a few silver. It got deleted because it ‘discussed’ exploits.

This thread is on the opposite side of that, where a guy has gained a precursor for cheap. But it’s not deleted.

???

I think I remember that thread, and if I remember correctly it was posted BEFORE the patch went live so technically it was discussing exploits, as it had not offically been fixed yet.

With the fix, people who post a sell order for so low, not bothering to read the patch notes, or realize that it had been fixed really only have themselves to blame as the system is working as intended. Its not perfect, but it does work.

Brother Grimm.5176:

Lambent.6375:

So I list the item for 49.50s, but oh no, I made a mistake, instead I listed it for 9.50s and it automatically gets sold at that price.

Is that not a genuine mistake?

That’s a rather stupid mistake as the interface asks you to confirm the value before submitting it…. If you blindly click thru the safeguards they already have in place then you hardly have anyone to blame but yourself.

Most mistakes are stupid, doesn’t make them not mistakes. /shrug. Sometimes people have brain farts and do stupid things.

It seems I may have exploited. who knew selling things for a cheap price was bad.