Guild Wars 2

SteepledHat.1345:

Lol, it’s so funny trying to hear the folks that got their precursor on the first 100g of pitching or for 20g around launch try to defend precursor prices. It’s really really funny.

Earning 1g a dungeon run multiple times per day for months, you expect prices to remain at 20g? How out of touch can you be?

Yaki.9563:

SteepledHat.1345:

Lol, it’s so funny trying to hear the folks that got their precursor on the first 100g of pitching or for 20g around launch try to defend precursor prices. It’s really really funny.

Earning 1g a dungeon run multiple times per day for months, you expect prices to remain at 20g? How out of touch can you be?

20g at launch = 100% world = 50h
20g at launch = 20h or less of non DR Orr farm
20g at launch = 4 friends and 5h
Karka luck-out=45 mins of 1 event
Godskull exploit = under 50g (and you can get multiple ones)
Luck-out in forge = 1st to 20th try with rare= 35g
750g today (at your 1g /dungeon – that you might not like doing) = 750 hours

How out of touch can you be thinking this is how the system should work (in case that’s what you mean, not very sure)?

Welp, maybe you’ll luck out and get it on your 4th mystic forge combine like me (2x naga fangs, 2x pearl greatswords). Then fail the next 30 combines. I’ve heard horror stories of people getting absolute crap on 400+ mystic forge combines…. holy crap.

Edit: Not defending the price of the Dusk. It should no way be 900g+. But it should also not be cheap. I think it should be around 300g.

As of right now investing in precursor has high reward with zero risk, this is not how it suppose to work.

SundayTrash.9562:

As of right now investing in precursor has high reward with zero risk, this is not how it suppose to work.

The risk is in making one. The mistake is in allowing one you’ve made out into the market without personally seizing the (Black) Lion’s share of the value for yourself.

Actually atm you run the risk of profession specific gear boxes for laurels containing 0.3% precursors and in 2 days hundreds of thousands will buy some of those boxes.

If in a few days it’s proven there are no precursors in that or orrian jewlery boxes then it’s a free of risk thing until Feb path (unless they choose to ninja patch in more precursors drop spots like they promised but not in a major patch, just like that in 8 days form now).

So it just hit 700g and rising!

Kain Nosgoth.4218:

No, it’s not perfectly normal. The other mats didn’t go down by 320g. This is market manipulation at it’s best because now they know there will be no precursor changes until February.

Do you complain a Ferrari costs 300 000 euros or do you agree that the most luxurious and pointless stuff in life and games are simply expensive?

While this price manipulation might not be particularely fun, you should understand that it only works if people agree to the price being set. If the price was not correct before (too low), the higher one is actually correct! For the price of 800g, I wish you luck making a precursor in the MF.

Those who gamble on precursors obviously want to make a profit. Are you declining it to them? You agree on other people losing lots of money for making the precursor you don’t want to make yourself?

Yes I complain that what most of us consider an end game goal (which we started working towards thinking it reasonable, thought reinforced by multiple “we are watching the situation” type of comments) becomes progressively (up to 35 times in some cases) harder and longer to obtain and is becoming less and less fun. Like grinding 1k gold wasn’t bad enough, now we need to grind 1500g because TP players who like that sort of thing are willing to pay 700g for Dusk. Ferraris are not going up in price up to 1,5 Million $, and again, this is not RL so GTHO with your Ferrai examples. And YES I would deny them their profit, what happened to “in this game we don’t want players making money for nothing”, I guess this doesn’t apply to gambling which Anet seems to love since that is their definition of “a new reward system” (laurles) besides the 1% increase in power you get from an ascended ring that you need to wait a month for. But what I would do is irrelevant, keeping the MF way for getting a precursors would still be ~300g for 4 rares for the lucky ppl even after prices will drop.

You also seem to forget Anet agrees, mostly, since we are getting SH (well depending on what that is and how long it takes).

All I hear when you write that stuff is: “whining, whining, whining some more, I am entitled to stuff and god kitten I am gonna get it!”

I like market manipulation because it doesn’t affect me and it’s interesting to see how much people are willing to pay for this overpriced piece of junk lol

Kain Nosgoth.4218:

Yes I complain that what most of us consider an end game goal (which we started working towards thinking it reasonable, thought reinforced by multiple “we are watching the situation” type of comments) becomes progressively (up to 35 times in some cases) harder and longer to obtain and is becoming less and less fun. Like grinding 1k gold wasn’t bad enough, now we need to grind 1500g because TP players who like that sort of thing are willing to pay 700g for Dusk. Ferraris are not going up in price up to 1,5 Million $, and again, this is not RL so GTHO with your Ferrai examples. And YES I would deny them their profit, what happened to “in this game we don’t want players making money for nothing”, I guess this doesn’t apply to gambling which Anet seems to love since that is their definition of “a new reward system” (laurles) besides the 1% increase in power you get from an ascended ring that you need to wait a month for. But what I would do is irrelevant, keeping the MF way for getting a precursors would still be ~300g for 4 rares for the lucky ppl even after prices will drop.

You also seem to forget Anet agrees, mostly, since we are getting SH (well depending on what that is and how long it takes).

If you can’t see that ferraris have a limitless supply as there can simply be produced some more so the prize is kept steady… now if you take vintage ferraris you can compare that prize development more likely with precursors.

What you are seeing on the precursor market is also a typical development in games. The economy is getting older, the players from the first minute have more and more gold (simply because they played like 1k hours for example). So the prizes rise for the luxury goods.

And like several people have already stated- even with a monopoly (only anet would know if thats the case in pre markets) the power lies at the customer- he can simply decide NOT to buy when he finds an item overprized.

Noone ever said a legendary should be something everyone could attain without putting serious effort into it.
I will never understand such threads in which people seem to insist that they have the right to certain endgame items for almost nothing.
Sit tight and wait for the Scavenger hunt, use the time to get all the other requisites for a legendary… roll a twink or whatever….

goldi.3129:

I will never understand such threads in which people seem to insist that they have the right to certain endgame items for almost nothing.

I can’t say that I’ve EVER seens someone claim they have the right to certain endgame items for almost nothing… except for poorly disguised attempts at strawman arguments by defenders of the status quo.

Nike.2631:

goldi.3129:

I will never understand such threads in which people seem to insist that they have the right to certain endgame items for almost nothing.

I can’t say that I’ve EVER seens someone claim they have the right to certain endgame items for almost nothing… except for poorly disguised attempts at strawman arguments by defenders of the status quo.

So, what it boils down to is this: People are whining because they think something is expensive. Tough luck.

Nike.2631:

goldi.3129:

I will never understand such threads in which people seem to insist that they have the right to certain endgame items for almost nothing.

I can’t say that I’ve EVER seens someone claim they have the right to certain endgame items for almost nothing… except for poorly disguised attempts at strawman arguments by defenders of the status quo.

And what would you consider this thread than? Don’t you think those players would whine about 300g dusks at well?
There have been countless posts with the content of “I’m a casual gamer, I will never see a legendary” in these forums.
I also don’t think that a living economy (as the one in gw2 is) needs any arguments to be defended.
We have a player driven economy like it or like it not

LOL @ JUST 600g

HAHAHAHA

Etien.4601:

So it just hit 700g and rising!

So it just hit 690g and falling!

You know, falling, since it “was” 990g. Price has gone down to 69,7% of what it was! Like loss of one third in price! Omg soon precursors won’t be worth anything at all and then we will all …

Find equilibrium around comfortable price for both parties – those of selling and those of buying.

Tarang.7562:

Nike.2631:

goldi.3129:

I will never understand such threads in which people seem to insist that they have the right to certain endgame items for almost nothing.

I can’t say that I’ve EVER seens someone claim they have the right to certain endgame items for almost nothing… except for poorly disguised attempts at strawman arguments by defenders of the status quo.

So, what it boils down to is this: People are whining because they think something is expensive. Tough luck.

No that isn’t what people are complaining about. Precursor prices continue to increase about as fast as some people make money. 200g then 300g then 500g then 700g then… ? Meanwhile, all the cash they are saving is suffering from inflation across the board. So they are just spinning wheels. You show a notable lack of empathy for what is really happening.

Fortuna.7259:

Tarang.7562:

Nike.2631:

goldi.3129:

I will never understand such threads in which people seem to insist that they have the right to certain endgame items for almost nothing.

I can’t say that I’ve EVER seens someone claim they have the right to certain endgame items for almost nothing… except for poorly disguised attempts at strawman arguments by defenders of the status quo.

So, what it boils down to is this: People are whining because they think something is expensive. Tough luck.

No that isn’t what people are complaining about. Precursor prices continue to increase about as fast as some people make money. 200g then 300g then 500g then 700g then… ? Meanwhile, all the cash they are saving is suffering from inflation across the board. So they are just spinning wheels. You show a notable lack of empathy for what is really happening.

I should show empathy towards people that whine about luxury stuff?

Tarang.7562:

Fortuna.7259:

Tarang.7562:

Nike.2631:

goldi.3129:

I will never understand such threads in which people seem to insist that they have the right to certain endgame items for almost nothing.

I can’t say that I’ve EVER seens someone claim they have the right to certain endgame items for almost nothing… except for poorly disguised attempts at strawman arguments by defenders of the status quo.

So, what it boils down to is this: People are whining because they think something is expensive. Tough luck.

No that isn’t what people are complaining about. Precursor prices continue to increase about as fast as some people make money. 200g then 300g then 500g then 700g then… ? Meanwhile, all the cash they are saving is suffering from inflation across the board. So they are just spinning wheels. You show a notable lack of empathy for what is really happening.

I should show empathy towards people that whine about luxury stuff?

The entire game is “luxury”. What are you even talking about?

Fortuna.7259:

The entire game is “luxury”. What are you even talking about?

Luxury in the context of the game. Not necessary, but something that’s highly desired after.

Or are you being purposefully obtuse?

Fortuna.7259:

Tarang.7562:

Fortuna.7259:

Tarang.7562:

Nike.2631:

goldi.3129:

I will never understand such threads in which people seem to insist that they have the right to certain endgame items for almost nothing.

I can’t say that I’ve EVER seens someone claim they have the right to certain endgame items for almost nothing… except for poorly disguised attempts at strawman arguments by defenders of the status quo.

So, what it boils down to is this: People are whining because they think something is expensive. Tough luck.

No that isn’t what people are complaining about. Precursor prices continue to increase about as fast as some people make money. 200g then 300g then 500g then 700g then… ? Meanwhile, all the cash they are saving is suffering from inflation across the board. So they are just spinning wheels. You show a notable lack of empathy for what is really happening.

I should show empathy towards people that whine about luxury stuff?

The entire game is “luxury”. What are you even talking about?

Luxury in the means that a legendary (which the mentioned precursor is a requirement for) is only eyecandy and not in anyway necessary to suceed in any part of the content.

Tbh, I have not been around long, only since december, but in that time I have seen a unbeliveably rapid increase in the prices of precursors.

I am far from what you would call a casual gamer, i invest more hours into the game per week then most people, i did 0-20 fractal in 3 days etc, good days i make about 12g and this is running constant fractals/jormag/shatterer I am definatly not lucky when it comes to sellable loot, and i doubt im the only one.

Atm and since december the price of the intresting precursors have been rising more per day then i can possibly make, and like I said I play a unhealthy amount of time per day..

I just don’t see how any logic could justify the current rarity of the precursor.. to me the idea of the precursor is to serve as reason to keep grinding the other 75% of the legendary.. a motivator if you will.. but at current that motivator is pretty much unobtainable unless you:

1: get that one in a MILLION precursor from Mf, which also requires absurd amounts of gold to fuel i might add.

2: get that one in a gazillion precursor from a major chest or random mob.

It is one thing when the materials you need 200+ for etc go up fast in price, because you can buy them over a long period of time, you don’t need to pay for the entire stack in on go.

The problem with the precursor is its a single SUPER rare item, and that gives it far to much power in the market..

quite honestly, tp users might find it unfair, but I feel that any given account should only ever be able to have 1 precursor of the same type in theyr possession, this would make it far more difficult to manipulate.

I’ve seen the posts about scavenger hunts etc (4 months ago -.-), and the post where anet claims they will take steps if need be… I am no economist.. but even to me it is painfully clear that steps need to be taken when a no-lifer like myself has no chance in hell at keeping up with the day to day rise in price of the precursors.

I can’t speak for everyone but getting a legendary is one of the main things that keep a player intrested while waiting for new content.. and when that legendary is near unobtainable, well then there is a obvious flaw in the system.

Honestly, I think looking at the Buy Orders are a better judge of the value of Dusk. It’s more stable.

yep, infact they are so stabile that it dosnt seem like those orders are being filled at all.

Kilrain Daggerspine.6843:

yep, infact they are so stabile that it dosnt seem like those orders are being filled at all.

That’s interesting, I’d like to know where you’re getting this information from.

http://www.gw2spidy.com/item/29185

By the way, you see lots of changes in the buy order. There’s two ways for a listed buy order to dcrease is either it has been met, or it’s been removed.

Although no one will truly know, to say no buy order has been filled is quite a bit of a reach. It’ll be interesting to see though how many dawn/Dusks get sold, say, each day or week.

I didn’t state it as a fact. though i realise saying “infact” might have been a poor choice of words, though I would have thought the “dosnt seem” part made it clear that it was not a attempt at a factual statement.

infact it was rather an attempt at a witty reply, that was based on what I myself have seen by watching the tp on day to day basis.

Kilrain Daggerspine.6843:

Tbh, I have not been around long, only since december, but in that time I have seen a unbeliveably rapid increase in the prices of precursors.

I am far from what you would call a casual gamer, i invest more hours into the game per week then most people, i did 0-20 fractal in 3 days etc, good days i make about 12g and this is running constant fractals/jormag/shatterer I am definatly not lucky when it comes to sellable loot, and i doubt im the only one.

Atm and since december the price of the intresting precursors have been rising more per day then i can possibly make, and like I said I play a unhealthy amount of time per day..

I just don’t see how any logic could justify the current rarity of the precursor.. to me the idea of the precursor is to serve as reason to keep grinding the other 75% of the legendary.. a motivator if you will.. but at current that motivator is pretty much unobtainable unless you:

1: get that one in a MILLION precursor from Mf, which also requires absurd amounts of gold to fuel i might add.

2: get that one in a gazillion precursor from a major chest or random mob.

It is one thing when the materials you need 200+ for etc go up fast in price, because you can buy them over a long period of time, you don’t need to pay for the entire stack in on go.

The problem with the precursor is its a single SUPER rare item, and that gives it far to much power in the market..

quite honestly, tp users might find it unfair, but I feel that any given account should only ever be able to have 1 precursor of the same type in theyr possession, this would make it far more difficult to manipulate.

I’ve seen the posts about scavenger hunts etc (4 months ago -.-), and the post where anet claims they will take steps if need be… I am no economist.. but even to me it is painfully clear that steps need to be taken when a no-lifer like myself has no chance in hell at keeping up with the day to day rise in price of the precursors.

I can’t speak for everyone but getting a legendary is one of the main things that keep a player intrested while waiting for new content.. and when that legendary is near unobtainable, well then there is a obvious flaw in the system.

Justify it? What the actual kitten? You mean now people have to take into consideration other peoples feelings when they list stuff on the tp? Is that justice?

Kilrain Daggerspine.6843:

Tbh, I have not been around long, only since december, but in that time I have seen a unbeliveably rapid increase in the prices of precursors.

I am far from what you would call a casual gamer, i invest more hours into the game per week then most people, i did 0-20 fractal in 3 days etc, good days i make about 12g and this is running constant fractals/jormag/shatterer I am definatly not lucky when it comes to sellable loot, and i doubt im the only one.

Atm and since december the price of the intresting precursors have been rising more per day then i can possibly make, and like I said I play a unhealthy amount of time per day..

I just don’t see how any logic could justify the current rarity of the precursor.. to me the idea of the precursor is to serve as reason to keep grinding the other 75% of the legendary.. a motivator if you will.. but at current that motivator is pretty much unobtainable unless you:

1: get that one in a MILLION precursor from Mf, which also requires absurd amounts of gold to fuel i might add.

2: get that one in a gazillion precursor from a major chest or random mob.

It is one thing when the materials you need 200+ for etc go up fast in price, because you can buy them over a long period of time, you don’t need to pay for the entire stack in on go.

The problem with the precursor is its a single SUPER rare item, and that gives it far to much power in the market..

quite honestly, tp users might find it unfair, but I feel that any given account should only ever be able to have 1 precursor of the same type in theyr possession, this would make it far more difficult to manipulate.

I’ve seen the posts about scavenger hunts etc (4 months ago -.-), and the post where anet claims they will take steps if need be… I am no economist.. but even to me it is painfully clear that steps need to be taken when a no-lifer like myself has no chance in hell at keeping up with the day to day rise in price of the precursors.

I can’t speak for everyone but getting a legendary is one of the main things that keep a player intrested while waiting for new content.. and when that legendary is near unobtainable, well then there is a obvious flaw in the system.

So the – as you put it- SUPER RARE items have prizes that reflect that rarity? Shocking. As you say it a legendary is a long term goal that everyone can eventually reach.
You are playing 2 two months now. Thats not exactly long in the region where you should complain about not reaching long term goals.

It’s not that you can’t reach it. It’s that: it takes ages of doing things you don’t like or millenia of things you like while some people get in in 1 try OR in 1 random mob in fractals OR for 20% of the price (karka) OR exploit AND that it’s becoming harder over time while we keep getting more bad news about how “there won’t be more events like Karka for a while” (so no more chances while some ppl got 2 in the same chest and went to overflows and got 1 more and then got a bag in mail 1 week later) and the scavenger hunt is 3 months off at least (with who knows how much work from scratch that takes who knows how long and that you probably can’t speed up with the gold you have until then). AND ALL THIS when we could have an easy fix until then (and even after they finish the SH).

Long term goals should have the same “effort” requirement for everyone all the time, the time and the “long” varying BY A LOT if the person is investing in TP over long periods of time or playing 8h/day (and the occasional, “oh look 0.5% drop from a monster I just saved myself X amount of time”). No, we are not currently in that situation, we might be after SH (but that can be messed up if they somehow make it un-finishable faster than X days).

This is coming from a guy with an average of 9.6h/day since launch (without taking out the AFK time, but that isn’t over 10%).

Kain Nosgoth.4218:

It’s not that you can’t reach it. It’s that: it takes ages of doing things you don’t like or millenia of things you like while some people get in in 1 try OR in 1 random mob in fractals OR for 20% of the price (karka) OR exploit AND that it’s becoming harder over time while we keep getting more bad news about how “there won’t be more events like Karka for a while” (so no more chances while some ppl got 2 in the same chest and went to overflows and got 1 more and then got a bag in mail 1 week later) and the scavenger hunt is 3 months off at least (with who knows how much work from scratch that takes who knows how long and that you probably can’t speed up with the gold you have until then). AND ALL THIS when we could have an easy fix until then (and even after they finish the SH).

Long term goals should have the same “effort” requirement for everyone all the time, the time and the “long” varying BY A LOT if the person is investing in TP over long periods of time or playing 8h/day (and the occasional, “oh look 0.5% drop from a monster I just saved myself X amount of time”). No, we are not currently in that situation, we might be after SH (but that can be messed up if they somehow make it un-finishable faster than X days).

This is coming from a guy with an average of 9.6h/day since launch (without taking out the AFK time, but that isn’t over 10%).

You obviously haven’t played MMOs where the best equipment (be it statwise or due to eyecandy) was BOP.
Meaning you had to grind the same raids for months hoping on rng (that the item drops) and again rng (that you win the roll or have more dkp than the others who need that item). That is in answer to the “everyone should put the same effort into it”.

Man I just want 1 of these to drop, not so I can have a legendary, thats the last thing on my list. But the selling price of one of these I could kit up all my characters with 20 slot boxes, exotic armour + weapons + jewels, and if I had some change left over I might buy a minipet or 2.

Tarang, I fear you may have misunderstood me, I did not mean how can the player selling them justify it, I am not naive, and would not sell a precursor for less then it is worth myself.

I ment how can anet justify making the precursors so rare that value of the item is increasing at a faster rate per day then what the average gamer can possibly make per day.

Goldi, my problem is not with the item being rare, my problem is with the fact that your statement “a goal that everyone can eventually reach” is wrong, when the price of the item increases faster then what most players can earn per day, you earn 10g, the precursor goes up 11g, see the problem?

And yes I realise that I have not been around as long as some of you, and I am not expecting to get the legendary anytime soon, I do however expect to feel like I am making progress toward that goal.

Personally I feel its a shame anet didn’t take a hint from old eq1’s epic weapons, they took a massive amount of patience, dedication and luck to get, but was no dependant on how big your purse was.

goldi.3129:

Luxury in the means that a legendary (which the mentioned precursor is a requirement for) is only eyecandy and not in anyway necessary to suceed in any part of the content.

By your definition, a huge component of the PVE endgame is centered on acquiring “luxury” items… yet we aren’t supposed to say anything if it is seriously unbalanced and not fun? Uh-huh.

And by the way, you must not understand the economy of GW2… because skyrocketing precursor prices drive up the prices of ALL decent gear… including stuff that would seem to be not “luxury” by your definition.

Fortuna.7259:

goldi.3129:

Luxury in the means that a legendary (which the mentioned precursor is a requirement for) is only eyecandy and not in anyway necessary to suceed in any part of the content.

By your definition, a huge component of the PVE endgame is centered on acquiring “luxury” items… yet we aren’t supposed to say anything if it is seriously unbalanced and not fun? Uh-huh.

And by the way, you must not understand the economy of GW2… because skyrocketing precursor prices drive up the prices of ALL decent gear… including stuff that would seem to be not “luxury” by your definition.

You didn’t understand a single word of my posts.

Also please share your wisdom how the increase of precursor prices affects the rest of the economy. I am sure we all can learn something from you.

edit nevermind, I just saw that you didn’t even understand why a precursor is called luxury.

Fortuna.7259:

By your definition, a huge component of the PVE endgame is centered on acquiring “luxury” items… yet we aren’t supposed to say anything if it is seriously unbalanced and not fun? Uh-huh.

You completely miss the definition of a “luxury” item. It’s not necessary for normal gameplay. If you want to make it a PvE endgame, it is your own choice. No one else is forcing you to do it. Do you think everyone should get a Legendary?

Fortuna.7259:

And by the way, you must not understand the economy of GW2… because skyrocketing precursor prices drive up the prices of ALL decent gear… including stuff that would seem to be not “luxury” by your definition.

You have no idea what you’re talking about. Though I would love an explanation of how that happens.

By the way, here are some exotic items. Just a random sample, but all their prices are remarkably steady.

http://www.gw2spidy.com/item/155

http://www.gw2spidy.com/item/25967

So prices of ALL decent gear are going up, eh?

Ursan.7846:

You completely miss the definition of a “luxury” item. It’s not necessary for normal gameplay. If you want to make it a PvE endgame, it is your own choice. No one else is forcing you to do it.

No, you completely miss the fact that the entire argument is flawed. “Luxury” items, as you define them, are an inherent and central offering of the game. If it is poorly balanced, people should be free to say so. This isn’t an “it’s optional” issue because the entire game is optional. All of it. And this is a major part of it. If it is dissatisfying, there is nothing wrong with expressing that fact. If your argument were valid then I could use it to dismiss anything people criticize the game for. “Crafting pointless? Oh well its optional! Ranged weapons useless? Well nobody is forcing you to use them!” That’s completely unproductive response and here it is even combined it with a false sense of moral superiority.

Ursan.7846:

Do you think everyone should get a Legendary?

Strawman argument. Everyone won’t get a legendary if precursor prices are a more reasonable price.

Ursan.7846:

Fortuna.7259:

And by the way, you must not understand the economy of GW2… because skyrocketing precursor prices drive up the prices of ALL decent gear… including stuff that would seem to be not “luxury” by your definition.

You have no idea what you’re talking about. Though I would love an explanation of how that happens.

Mental exercise… you have a lot of cash (10,000 gold) and want to increase it. You wake up tomorrow and discover with certainty that Dusk is steadily selling at 2000 gold, but all other prices have remained the same. What can you do to increase your wealth?

Ursan.7846:

By the way, here are some exotic items. Just a random sample, but all their prices are remarkably steady.

http://www.gw2spidy.com/item/155

http://www.gw2spidy.com/item/25967

So prices of ALL decent gear are going up, eh?

Your argument is flawed because you assume that the inflationary effect must dominate all other market forces or it is absent. To be fair, the effect on an exotic armor whose drop rate exceeds usage will be very minimal unless prices increased dramatically more. Popular exotics that need to be crafted to meet demand are a different matter.

Fortuna.7259:

No, you completely miss the fact that the entire argument is flawed. “Luxury” items, as you define them, are an inherent and central offering of the game. If it is poorly balanced, people should be free to say so.

Lol. Are you implying that 1. Legendaries are an inherent right of all sentient players? 2. That the game is centered around gathering said Legendaries?

Hahahahaha. Well, you’re wrong, but I suppose I can’t stop you from thinking that.

Just glancing at the requirements of Legendaries, I’m 100% confident in saying Anet designed Legendaries with the thoughts that only a very few players should be able to obtain it. Also, I’m 100% certain in saying that there are many, many players who enjoy the game without giving a thought to obtaining a Legendary.

Fortuna.7259:

This isn’t an “it’s optional” issue because the entire game is optional. All of it. And this is a major part of it.

Are you purposefully ignoring the context in which the word “luxury” is used?

Of course you don’t have to play the game. But if you play the game, Legendaries aren’t required to be effective at playing the game. Because they are, by design, very rare. But not getting it does not affect your gameplay in any way. That is why they are considered luxury items.

But go ahead and continue to ignore the context in which the word “luxury” is used.

Fortuna.7259:

If your argument were valid then I could use it to dismiss anything people criticize the game for. “Crafting pointless? Oh well its optional! Ranged weapons useless? Well nobody is forcing you to use them!”

You know, you can go ahead and criticize how hard it is to obtain a legendary. That is your opinion, and you have a right to it.

Just don’t act like everyone deserves to get one. Don’t act like the game’s centered around solely gaining Legendaries.

Fortuna.7259:

Mental exercise… you have a lot of cash (10,000 gold) and want to increase it. You wake up tomorrow and discover with certainty that Dusk is steadily selling at 2000 gold, but all other prices have remained the same. What can you do to increase your wealth?

Go on, I’m still waiting to hear you explain how the rise in price for a few luxury items increases the price of ALL other commonly traded commodities, barring inflation effects. Why don’t you explain it to me, instead of trying to get me to explain it to you? I’m fascinated in hearing your own version of MMO economic theory.

Fortuna.7259:

Your argument is flawed because you assume that the inflationary effect must dominate all other market forces or it is absent. To be fair, the effect on an exotic armor whose drop rate exceeds usage will be very minimal unless prices increased dramatically more. Popular exotics that need to be crafted to meet demand are a different matter.

Lol. You’re funny. I’m pretty sure you stated the following:

Fortuna.7259:

And by the way, you must not understand the economy of GW2… because skyrocketing precursor prices drive up the prices of ALL decent gear… including stuff that would seem to be not “luxury” by your definition.

“All decent gear.” And yet there are tons of lvl 80 exotics whose values have remained, you know, incredibly steady. Flawed? I say I just provided data that directly contradicts what you claim.

Of course inflation is absent. Do you know what you’re talking about? These items I list sees NO increase in prices. So obviously there’s no inflation. And you don’t see any of your purported “Increases in prices of luxury goods increase the prices of ALL OTHER DECENT GEAR” affect.