Guild Wars 2

ronpierce.2760:

I’m not getting stomped by kitten. However I did pay for a game based on being able to play casually (as in not 24/7, not casual as in a baddie) and be able to fight in all parts of the game on an equal foot in a non-grindy environment with VERTICAL progression. These were selling points of the entire kitten game, the main reason GW2 got hype in the first place… What’s so hard about this to understand? It’s not that I’m getting wrecked, I can assure you, I’m not. But I didn’t buy this game to try to outgear others nor be outgeared by mouthbreathers who spend too much time on the game…

I’m guessing you meant horizontal and not vertical?

I’m just trying to understand why you think you have to grind for gear to play casually. I play casually, I’ve done all aspects of the game except sPvP, which doesn’t appeal to me, and I haven’t ever felt that I had no fighting chance because I was out-geared. So what you’re claiming doesn’t match my actual experience and I’m trying to figure out why. No need to start calling people names.

If you aren’t getting wrecked what does it matter if their gear is slightly better? For me, it would make my victories taste a little sweeter. It’s unrealistic to expect to play any game with gear in it casually and be able to have all the same things in the same time frame that someone who plays 10x as much. There’s nothing preventing you from getting ascended gear – it will just take a really long time, or it will take converting a whole bunch of gems into gold.

Pandemoniac.4739:

ronpierce.2760:

I’m not getting stomped by kitten. However I did pay for a game based on being able to play casually (as in not 24/7, not casual as in a baddie) and be able to fight in all parts of the game on an equal foot in a non-grindy environment with VERTICAL progression. These were selling points of the entire kitten game, the main reason GW2 got hype in the first place… What’s so hard about this to understand? It’s not that I’m getting wrecked, I can assure you, I’m not. But I didn’t buy this game to try to outgear others nor be outgeared by mouthbreathers who spend too much time on the game…

I’m guessing you meant horizontal and not vertical?

I’m just trying to understand why you think you have to grind for gear to play casually. I play casually, I’ve done all aspects of the game except sPvP, which doesn’t appeal to me, and I haven’t ever felt that I had no fighting chance because I was out-geared. So what you’re claiming doesn’t match my actual experience and I’m trying to figure out why. No need to start calling people names.

If you aren’t getting wrecked what does it matter if their gear is slightly better? For me, it would make my victories taste a little sweeter. It’s unrealistic to expect to play any game with gear in it casually and be able to have all the same things in the same time frame that someone who plays 10x as much. There’s nothing preventing you from getting ascended gear – it will just take a really long time, or it will take converting a whole bunch of gems into gold.

Yes, I meant horizontally, I’m having a similar debate in another thread, I’m getting tired and made a mistake. But the reason is; the same as if I were hardcore. You’re misunderstanding my use of casual. Casual to me is playing for just a few hours each day, if at all one day. I still want to be able to hang with the top-of-the-line because skill-wise I’m able to. (Hence my early gravitation to sPvP, since it was always equal and still is beyond balance) It shouldn’t take forever to grind gear in a horizontal-based progression system. I want my few hours per day or less to be spent doing awesome kitten having epic yet fair fights in WvW with my friends, NOT having thieves who are literally able to 1 shot certain people (I do run a necro, no mobility, no evades/protection etc) so I feel those ascended hits more than most people. I don’t want to spend my time continuing a grind to get gear to hang with the people who have tons of time on their plate to go through a terrible boring grind AND player for actual “fun”. If it was that my friends and others had better LOOKING gear, sure, whatever. But being in a decently competitive WvW guild who likes to be on top of their game, it does suck that these grinds that were advertised to not exist, now exists… Ascended armor could have just as easily been no stat increase but incredibly unique-special snowflake medal, that would have been fine, but because to “max out” my character (and the difference is pretty big from full exotic to full ascended), through a cruddy kitten grind, it’s a problem to me. I’m not alone neither.

Like I said, read the other thread. There are many saying the same thing.

It’s not abuse. It’s not even price gouging. The re-listers do not have a monopoly on the supply generation of these items; nothing stops you or anyone else from rolling the RNG dice a few (hundred/thousand/million) times; getting phat lewts, and then undercutting them by around 5-10%.

And just to head off silly assumptions, I have about 50G in liquid assets at moment and my highest item rarity for sale is probably a rare medallion.

Don’t like the prices? Start generating drops/mats to counterbalance the amount of gold floating around out there.

Aidenwolf.5964:

Aidenwolf.5964:

Ulion.5476:

Without flippers the supply of most of the high-end items precursors to runes would greatly decrease. Including the supply of cloth/leather. How do you get cloth/leather? From salvage and bags. Who puts massive supplies of cloth/leather on the market flippers do. Limiting the amount of transaction anyone is capable of doing on TP would just increase prices on everything.

Sorry but I call bullkitten on that one. Flippers add nothing at all to the TP, THEY ARE NOT FARMERS, they buy low sell high, that’s it. The supply of precursors would be unaffected as would anything else.

Buying low and selling high is what I hear people say but it is not exact what happens when you flip items. Buy low then I craft, mystic forge or just sell for a higher price. It is difficult to find items which people sell in bulk for quick cash but it is easier to take
useless items make them into a valuable one to resell. My friend makes exotic sigil/runes by putting rare sigil/runes into the mystic forge in bulk and makes a profit(most of the time). I salvage the white items for cloth/leather then resell them for a profit.

Another one of my friend is in the precursor market he mystic forge precursors to sell. He spend ~500g on rares during the weekends for a precursor attempts. He trys to get at least 1 precursor each weekend. Limiting the amount of transaction would reduce the amount of rare/exotic you can get for a precursor attempts. That is why precursor price tend to be related to the price of rares.

Limiting transactions would reduce the amount of supply of cloth/leather. Last year I had ~1million buy transactions (alot of the 1 item transaction when I have buoght them in a 250stack) and I sold ~150k (50-150 items per transaction) of high price items. That is just how much cloth/leather I have put in the market and it is a very competitive market now.

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