Guild Wars 2

Well that’s no surprise.

Very constructive Essence Snow and Wanze….
You both can do better..please do so..this is the crafting section, not the “boohoo my ego hurts section..”

On topic: Esoteric, did you experience a more lucrative droprate when using “named” exotics ?

Ok here’s a secret I’m willing to let go, so hear it well:

THERE IS NOT DIFFERENCE! I honestly don’t see how <80 exotics are so cheap compared to level 80’s. I use a mix of exotics everytime, from lvl 70 – 80 (to save lots of money), and as long as the average of the 4 items pans out to be level 75, you’re good to go. Now if the average is 74.9 I don’t know, but you can try it out once and see for yourself. If the item output is lvl 75 or above, you’re good to go since precursor rates are the same for every forge.

though I might add that if the exotic is not named, your buy orders will fill out VERY slowly, and that’s why named exotics are usually used since they are more common, and people wrongly believe that only level 80 exotics will net you a precursor.

Esoteric.4395:

though I might add that if the exotic is not named, your buy orders will fill out VERY slowly, and that’s why named exotics are usually used since they are more common, and people wrongly believe that only level 80 exotics will net you a precursor.

I have a few questions:
1. are there any 70-79 exotics with names?
2. have you already get some precursors by using this method?

Almost all my precursors were received by mixing. And No, I dont think so, all <80 exotics are some form of “Stat type” “Weapon type” of “sigil type”

I often throw RARE (not exotic) lvl 76-80 weapons in the forge. While I do get the occasional exotic, do I still have a chance at a precursor?

Xavi.6591:

I often throw RARE (not exotic) lvl 76-80 weapons in the forge. While I do get the occasional exotic, do I still have a chance at a precursor?

The average level of the 4 weapons put into the mystic forge has to be lvl 75 or higher for a chance to get a precursor.

So you can throw in 4 lvl 75 rares or 1 lvl 60 rare and 3 lvl 80 rares.

Thanks yes I realize that but was wondering if it was still worth it to throw in rares of the same level instead of exotics?

At the end of the day, it’ll cost about the same. When one method, rare or exotic becomes cheaper than the other, the prices adjust to reflect that. Personally, you can save more from exotics, if you are willing to wait, since buy orders are more flexible than rares (which cost is only reflective off of T5 mats, which don’t have much difference between sell-buy price)

I think a reason the exotics between 75 and 79 are cheaper than level 80m exotics is a significant demand exists from people not playing the forge. At least when I level a character I don’t equip them with exotics higher than 70 till I hit 80. PvE (outside of dungeons) doesn’t make much difference about gear in that range.

So that may explain the price gap between level 80 exotics and not quite level 80 exotics.

Interesting data you are compiling. Thanks for the efforts.

Xavi.6591:

Thanks yes I realize that but was wondering if it was still worth it to throw in rares of the same level instead of exotics?

Which costs more, 4 rares or 1 exotic?

The formula used for comparing is, assuming that you have a 20% chance of getting an exotic from 4 rares is:
RARES: 5*3*(cost of one rare) – 1*(cost of one exotic).85 (Assuming you sell the exotic)
EXOTICS: 3(cost of one exotic)

Whichever is cheaper using this equation is your best bet. For the Rare equation, if you plan of recycling your exotics gained from rares, don’t multiply by .85.

For all equations, it’s 3*x, since you always get an item back, so it’s never 4*x.

Esoteric.4395:

The formula used for comparing is, assuming that you have a 20% chance of getting an exotic from 4 rares is:
RARES: 5*3*(cost of one rare) – 1*(cost of one exotic).85 (Assuming you sell the exotic)
EXOTICS: 3(cost of one exotic)

Whichever is cheaper using this equation is your best bet. For the Rare equation, if you plan of recycling your exotics gained from rares, don’t multiply by .85.

For all equations, it’s 3*x, since you always get an item back, so it’s never 4*x.

Ensign wasnt assuming that we sell the exotic but compared how much rares you need in order to get an exotic back and how much exotics you need to get an exotic back.

As you rightly stated, you get a rare back every forge until you get an exotic, so you need 4 rares for the first forge, then 4 times 3 rares (until you get an exotic on the 5th attempt on average).

so you need 4 rares plus 4 times 3 rares, which makes 16 rares and you need 4 exotics to get 1 exotic.

So Ensigns formula is actually more accurate than yours and easier.

Yea if you’re just going to recycle your products, just go with 4 exotics or one rare. But I usually sell my exotics after, since if I’m doing rares it’s usually because at that given moment using rares is more economical. Either formula works fine :P

Good Luck with your forging.

Skjold Pjod TC

5 more added! I know I’m past 30 crafted now, but I don’t have access to google docs so I can’t recall XD

wow….. the luck is real

Wanze.8410:

Mortifer.2946:

Those people are like unicorns…

OP got 20 precursors with 7k gold. As soon as you stick out the RNG, you will see that forging precursors is quite lucrative.

…for people that are already considerably wealthy. It takes money to make money. If a player can’t even afford a single precursor, it would be extremely hard for them to forge precursors to sell.

Like the unicorn, they would have to be really lucky to get one, and they would have to cross their fingers and hope they don’t blow all their money in a cold streak trying to forge another one to sell.

Great post! There is some good information here, but I’m confused. Were most of the test samples does with rares? or with exotics? Or with a mix of both? Also where they generic types? or unique? (i.e. “beserkers greatsword of air” or “godskull slayer”) Also did the TYPE of weapon make a difference in the type of precurser recieved? (like getting Dusk when forging greatswords)

Most of my tests were done with exotics. I mixed generic and unique types, depending on which was the lowest cost. Type of weapon does matter, all 4 items used have to be same type (ie greatswords) in order to recieve an item at the same type (ie greatswords). IF one of those items were, say a scepter, the item that you would recieve would be completely random, say a focus. As of now, most rares are too expensive to experiment with, since the price of rares (you usually craft the rares from t5 mats) are driven by the costs of the higher priced precorsors (staff, GS, dagger etc.), so it’s very uneconomical to use rares for lower end precorsors (shortbows, longbows, axe etc) Add me in game if you want some tips or advice