Guild Wars 2

So, I began crafting these dye in an attempt to increase my odds at getting better selling rare dyes. Seeing as you can get Celestial, Midnight Fire, Black, Abyss and White from this spectrum of dye (some of the best selling dyes).

According to various people/sites there are only 30 dyes in this spectrum. As such I figured I’d have better odds getting rare dyes from these 30 than attempting to flip regular unidentified dyes. However, after having opened ~ 250 over the course of a month, I have found that this is not the case.

I have only gotten, 4 Black dye, 3 Celestial, 0 Abyss, 2-3 Midnight Fire and 2 White dyes. The rest were a few crappy rares (selling for less than 30s) and tons of blues and greens.

My question is, how are the odds on these dyes decided? Do the blues/greens have a 99% chance to show up with a 1% chance of a rare dye? I find it lame that they cost so much and they give crappier results than just flipping regular dye. Yes RNG is RNG but this just doesn’t seem right to me.

I’ve also found that I’ve received straight up green/blue/purple dyes that aren’t even in the gray spectrum. Can someone please explain how all of this works? As of now I just think Anet is cheating me/us and has some rigged code programmed in to push you towards the cash shop (Yea, yea conspiracy theory whatever). It’s just frustrating to be honest :|

I’ve been looking for alternative ways to earn gold in the game other than TP trading/grinding but I guess this didn’t pan out for me. I’m also curious to know if anyone else flips these dye and have you had better results?

Roquen.5406:

…I find it lame that they cost so much…

Do you mean that the ingredients to make them are costly, or the TP price is too high for your liking? Or are you sourcing them somewhere else?

Sorry, the mats per each are 25 Coriander, 25 Orrian Truffle, 25 Walnut, and the little bit of Karma to buy the beans. So, that runs about 1g 10s per each (depends on the market) dye. Either way you spin it, i.e., if you farm it or buy it from the TP, I think it is too expensive for what you get. I would have thought that you have a better chance at getting specific rare dye but it seems they have coded it in a way contrary to that.

You do realise that the prices are what they are because people pay them? Whether it’s because something else desirable uses those ingredients or because people are mass producing unknown grey dyes, it’s a market price and if you think it’s too high for you to make a profit out of, you should just stop buying and find some other market niche to occupy.

Roquen.5406:

So, I began crafting these dye in an attempt to increase my odds at getting better selling rare dyes.

Just because you don’t think the profit margin is large enough, doesn’t meant the ingredient prices are too high; they’re just too high for your purposes. They’re not going to come down, and ANet aren’t going to alter the proc rate just because you’ve wasted a bunch of gold on a scheme that turned out not to be viable.

You realize that you come across as extremely condescending? I understand that the price is so high because Coriander is in high demand but has a relatively low supply. I did not ask them to change the mats, I just think something is not right.

It is a craftable dye that has a chance to give a rare dye. There are supposedly only 30 dyes in that spectrum. IF this is the case then why did I only see 12-15 rares and 238-235 uncommon/blues. I know it’s a small sample size BUT it makes me question what the % to get a rare from that actually is; from more collected data/bigger sample sizes. It seems that it’s something ridiculously low, such as an 80% chance to pull an Uncommon Dye, 15% chance to pull a Masterwork Dye, 3% chance to pull a Rare Dye and 2% to pull a dye from another color spectrum (which shouldn’t even happen).

Basically I was just looking for other people’s input that have attempted something similar. I was also curious if they thought that in the long run it seemed to be profitable or not. It’s not a scheme, it was just another attempt to make money, that involves a bit of a gamble. Just looking at other ways to make gold in the game, no need to get so uppity.

Also, once again they require 25 of each ingredient and 100 Black Beans. That is a lot for what the dye appears to give you, the chance of getting anything remotely good is deceptively low. They could for example change the number of ingredients required per each dye, which doesn’t affect the price of the material itself.

I’m glad you white knight for Anet though when someone was simply asking for others’ input! Have a nice evening!

Just wondering. Do you feel the required ingredients are too much because of the cost to buy them off the TP? Or do you feel they are too much because you have a harder time collecting enough ingredients?

Note – If it’s too much because of your output, consider the fact that “rare” dyes are rare. And the rarity of “rare” dyes differ, seeing as how Abyss drops much less than Black.

I tried this too. I feel that if you are crafting Unidentified Gray Dyes (rare) you should get RARE dyes in the grey spectrum only but they are the same RNG unidentified dies that are found or awarded elsewhere in game.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Just wondering. Do you feel the required ingredients are too much because of the cost to buy them off the TP? Or do you feel they are too much because you have a harder time collecting enough ingredients?

Note – If it’s too much because of your output, consider the fact that “rare” dyes are rare. And the rarity of “rare” dyes differ, seeing as how Abyss drops much less than Black.

I think they cost too much for what you get, as it seems the chances of getting rares from these dyes are much lower than just buying regular unidentified dye. They also changed the name of it recently, it no longer says (Rare). I find this interesting as well but /shrug.

I am aware that rare dyes are rare but when you only have 30 dyes in a batch of something you are crafting in bulk, you would think that you would get a decent amount of everything. Out of those 30 dyes you can get: Black, Celestial, Abyss, Midnight Fire, White, and I believe another 5 or so lower selling rare dyes. So you have a 33% chance at pulling a rare dye. So, when you craft 250 and you only pull out 12 rare dyes or so (0 abyss, 2-3 celestial, 1 white, 2 black, 2 midnight fire, a few crappy rare dyes) and hundreds of uncommon/masterwork it makes you wonder. Even more so is the fact that I pulled out green/blue/purple dyes from a GRAY DYE package and not just a few, about 100 or so were NON-GRAY spectrum dyes.

So yes, I am going to call bullkitten because it just does not add up. Also, it is not difficult to collect. I don’t get why people think that time consuming = difficulty. Coriander is found in a much smaller quantity if you were to go out and gather it, than other herbs. As such it takes more time / costs more and you get crap for it. As I said before the odds of getting anything good from these seems to be deceptively low. They seem to be just another gold sink I guess…

Go ahead and flame on, I’m sure someone is going to say, “Quit the game, you are bad, quit trying to scheme the game, etc…” But as I said before, I am just tired of grinding, gold is a necessity and I was just looking for alternate ways to earn some. Especially since they just keep nerfing every decent way of farming. Gotta keep people playing somehow I guess.

Game will always continue to RNG to get the rare items and i was fortunate to get 2/3 rares from 3 different crafted inidentified dyes.

Leveled chef to 400, bought mats to craft unidentified grey dye. Could sell for 1.5g on TP for a tiny profit, but decided to open it instead. Got common dye worth 40c.
I know it’s a bit of a gamble, but I think the people who actually craft the items should have better RNG odds than those who didn’t craft the items.

I don’t know about the crafter having better odds. That seems a little unnecessary.

But, honestly, something that costs so much to craft should not even drop common dyes. It should be at very least a masterwork-tier dye with a good chance at a rare.

Roquen.5406:

Coriander is found in a much smaller quantity if you were to go out and gather it, than other herbs.

I don’t know where you harvest herbs, but for me Coriander is one of the more common drops from mature and verdant herb patches …

Try sage or rosemary, these are difficult herbs to drop …