Someone forgot you can do stuff in Exotic armor. It is YOUR choice to gear up any number of characters you want. You aren’t being forced to do it. In fact, the idea that fractal level is account wide is a BLESSING for people with 8 characters.
Yeah…. But they’re under the delusion that this gear will make them bad at wvw if they don’t have more than one character in it. I think they think that 1 set should be transferable across all characters and have it be changeable stats. Like legendary account bound armor, or something.
Maybe that’s a good idea but … if people actually looked at the stats increase over exotic, maybe they wouldn’t be cluelessly crafting it for WvW to begin with or even care if you could transfer it between characters on the same account. IIRC, the stat difference is pretty worthless.
In no way does the method for obtaining this armor punish ‘dedicated’ players. Silly.
Maybe that’s a good idea but … if people actually looked at the stats increase over exotic, maybe they wouldn’t be cluelessly crafting it for WvW to begin with or even care if you could transfer it between characters on the same account. IIRC, the stat difference is pretty worthless.
In no way does the method for obtaining this armor punish ‘dedicated’ players. Silly.
Totally agree. One set for me, maybe 2 if I care enough in the next year. There’s no sense in making more than that. No matter how many alts. Rather spend that gold on legendaries.
Okay so I’m just going to ask this: do you play all 12 characters in fractals?
If the answer is no, ascended gear is not needed for content outside of fractals. You’re good!
Each ascended armour piece has a defensive slot, that slot can be used to put an extra 5 vitality or toughness per piece in addition to the extra couple of points from the armour itself. Because of this, ascended gear IS desirable for World vs World because those with the most toughness, the most vitality and the best reduction in conditions are going to survive the push and smash the back lines.
Why bother making a whole new tier of armor just for fractals? would it not have been more cost efficient for AN to just add an agony slot to exotic armor?
I think they should have made the recipes be for an entire satchel of armor. A full set. The mats required could still be hefty (i.e. satchel=mats for 1 piece X 6) if Anet wants an Ascended armor set to be one of the biggest accomplishments you’ll ever complete in the game, ever. But allow us to craft whole sets at one fell swoop.
Otherwise altoholics like me and the OP will be enormously time gated just to get the recipes, then time gated again to make them. Then either be mixing and matching armor for months (at least), or keeping individual pieces unused in our banks for months, or require us to buy transmutation stones and eventually splitters. Which frankly is kind of a cheesy way to drive gem sales IMO. It’s better to buy stuff (gems and stones) because you want to. Not because a game mechanic makes you feel like you almost have to.
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As long as there is a dodge button, I’m not going to worry about the guy with slightly better stats than me. Seriously, let’s all calm down.
I don’t think you guys who are complaining about this being to much know that Guild Wars 2 is a game that was meant for Long term kind of achievements and goals? They don’t hand you anything, you have to earn it and IMO that’s the best part because its a challenge to get that armor or item you are working for that takes months at a time and once you get it the feeling of accomplishment is so much more! IF you want to play a game where everything is handed to you go play WoW or somthing…Just saying.
I don’t think you guys who are complaining about this being to much know that Guild Wars 2 is a game that was meant for Long term kind of achievements and goals?
I know. I also know it was meant to be a game where those long-term goals weren’t supposed to be stat-based. The fact, that devs decided to go against that original design is, in my opinion, a change for the worse. There are a lot of games with stat-based grind and gear progression – there’s a reason why i picked GW2 over those games. Now that reason is disappearing, because some people for some reason think, that every MMO in existence should share the same design, simply because they were conditioned to think that no other approach is possible.
They don’t hand you anything, you have to earn it and IMO that’s the best part because its a challenge to get that armor or item you are working for that takes months at a time and once you get it the feeling of accomplishment is so much more!
I think you are speaking of some other game, because in this one getting BiS gear is not a challenge. It’s just a boring grind. And there’s no feeling of accomplishment – only of relief.
IF you want to play a game where everything is handed to you go play WoW or somthing…Just saying.
And you are using this argument to defend a design that caters to the WoW crowd… Just saying.
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Stat dufference between a full exotic and full ascended armor is so small it’s usefull only if you do high tier fractals for the infusion slots.
And stop acting like you deserve to have things faster just because you play 12 chars.
Stat dufference between a full exotic and full ascended armor is so small it’s usefull only if you do high tier fractals for the infusion slots.
That’s only if we talk about armor alone. That’s true, that of all ascended gear, it’s the least important part. If you consider the whole gear set however (Armor, weapons and trinkets), then difference is no longer that small and definitely not insignificant.
And stop acting like you deserve to have things faster just because you play 12 chars.
It’s not about “deserving to have things faster just because playing 12 chars”. It’s about ascended gear in general taking way too long to get. It is about ascended gear being an incredibly boring and irritating grind, with no good point whatsoever. For everyone, not only alt users. Having to put more work to gear more characters is not a problem. It only becomes one if the base time is so long, than gearing even a few alts suddenly becomes a matter of years (and yes, for almost everyone, except for a very tiny minority it would be a matter of years).
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Stat dufference between a full exotic and full ascended armor is so small it’s usefull only if you do high tier fractals for the infusion slots.
That’s only if we talk about armor alone. That’s true, that of all ascended gear, it’s the least important part. If you consider the whole gear set however (Armor, weapons and trinkets), then difference is no longer that small and definitely not insignificant.
And stop acting like you deserve to have things faster just because you play 12 chars.
It’s not about “deserving to have things faster just because playing 12 chars”. It’s about ascended gear in general taking way too long to get. It is about ascended gear being an incredibly boring and irritating grind, with no good point whatsoever. For everyone, not only alt users. Having to put more work to gear more characters is not a problem. It only becomes one if the base time is so long, than gearing even a few alts suddenly becomes a matter of years (and yes, for almost everyone, except for a very tiny minority it would be a matter of years).
The talk was only about armor and armor stat difference is so small it’s laughable.
You can optimise your stats in so many ways not including ascended armor that’s it’s funny people moaning about not being able to get an addition 1% of critical damage and +14 precision for their 12 alts when they :
- don’t use food and utility food or use cheap low lvl food
- don’t optimise their build for optimal performance
- use cheap replacement for sigils and runes
- don’t optimise their skill rotations
All of wich nett MUCH more than getting ascended set of armor.
I’m pretty sure nothing anyone says that is actually logical or reasonable is going to get noticed here by those whiners.
I stand by my comments.
TL;DR: It should be 12 times as hard to gear 12 alts as it is to gear 1. That’s the way math works. They’re already nice enough to let our insignia recipes and armor recipes remain as they are. So you only need 30 laurels for 1, 5, 12, or 100 characters. (Or if you are really stubborn and have to have different stats you should only really need 2-3 different types of stats because most stat sets are useless and terrible).
This is the last time I impart my knowledge and logic onto this useless thread. If you can’t accept the ascended armor being difficult to get, play a different game.
What I think is the worst thing about time gated content/gear etc is that if you want to have it the quickest possible way, you NEED to log in every day and make sure you do certain things in game EVERY DAY (daily / farming for monthly, crafting daily parts etc).
If you miss few days, you can not “play more to close the gap”, like you could with exotics or any other stuff, when you can just log in and play more one day (got more gold / karma) and it somehow balanced your break from the game.
So if you don’t have a lot time for playing but you want to quickly get ascended armor – you need to make sure that each day you do those activities which might not be the things you actually enjoy. also, it may leave you with little to no time to do things you like doing. – BAD
This x1000. I work two jobs. I CANNOT play GW2 during the week, and if I get scheduled for the weekend on my second job, then I’m usually too wiped to play on the weekends, too. That’s at least five days a week I am not getting laurels. I binge on the weekends and make up for the lost time, though. With the laurel system, I can’t do that. 30 laurels is a freakin lot when you average 14 laurels a month including monthlies.
I have four characters at 80 and 10 total. I’ve made a legendary weapon. I work hard for my achievements in this game. To be impeded by some awful time gate system is the most frustrating thing for me. When I made my legendary, I could grind at my leisure and make the weapon on my own time. It took me a long time, but I never once felt like I was being held back by the game itself. With the ascended armor, even when I’m done playing and grinding on my own time, it becomes a terrible waiting game that could take up to three months to complete. It’s nonsense. The laurel system sucks.
I get that GW2 still wants to try to keep up the guise that it’s not following in the footsteps of WoW and it’s not a grindfest, but come on. Let’s all stop jerking each other off here. It’s a total grindfest. Who are they trying to kid? Even raiding is a better system than freakin laurels, because it was still something that players could do on their own time without the game physically barring them for arbitrary stupid reasons.
What I think is the worst thing about time gated content/gear etc is that if you want to have it the quickest possible way, you NEED to log in every day and make sure you do certain things in game EVERY DAY (daily / farming for monthly, crafting daily parts etc).
If you miss few days, you can not “play more to close the gap”, like you could with exotics or any other stuff, when you can just log in and play more one day (got more gold / karma) and it somehow balanced your break from the game.
So if you don’t have a lot time for playing but you want to quickly get ascended armor – you need to make sure that each day you do those activities which might not be the things you actually enjoy. also, it may leave you with little to no time to do things you like doing. – BAD
This x1000. I work two jobs. I CANNOT play GW2 during the week, and if I get scheduled for the weekend on my second job, then I’m usually too wiped to play on the weekends, too. That’s at least five days a week I am not getting laurels. I binge on the weekends and make up for the lost time, though. With the laurel system, I can’t do that. 30 laurels is a freakin lot when you average 14 laurels a month including monthlies.
I have four characters at 80 and 10 total. I’ve made a legendary weapon. I work hard for my achievements in this game. To be impeded by some awful time gate system is the most frustrating thing for me. When I made my legendary, I could grind at my leisure and make the weapon on my own time. It took me a long time, but I never once felt like I was being held back by the game itself. With the ascended armor, even when I’m done playing and grinding on my own time, it becomes a terrible waiting game that could take up to three months to complete. It’s nonsense. The laurel system sucks.
I get that GW2 still wants to try to keep up the guise that it’s not following in the footsteps of WoW and it’s not a grindfest, but come on. Let’s all stop jerking each other off here. It’s a total grindfest. Who are they trying to kid? Even raiding is a better system than freakin laurels, because it was still something that players could do on their own time without the game physically barring them for arbitrary stupid reasons.
The purpose of laurels is to make people log in every single day — creating a habit that can’t be escaped. Anet is sacrificing customers like you in order to achieve this.
Have you considered doing your monthlies and other achievements to get more laurels?
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