Does magic find help with drops from coffers?

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Posted by: Gaviston Hawkington.9647

Gaviston Hawkington.9647

Yes, I’m assuming since I have no insights to how the GW2 programming works either. AND that is the key point. I’m not sure any one of us knows…that’s why we do these “tests” to see how they work out. What I know for sure is that now I have 3 more Jade Weapon tickets than I did the day before. Could it have been a streak of luck? Sure, I suppose. However, I saw results and end of the day that’s what matters to me. I’ll do this again when I get another 1,000 RNG boxes of any type and see if I get similar results. I’m going to have a few of my guildmates test this as well to see what they find. They’ve had no luck getting any jade tickets thus far and I’m sure have opened a few thousand between them.

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Posted by: swiftpaw.6397

swiftpaw.6397

Also why do you think that population affects rng? Not being rude in anyway i am genuinely interested. I like seeing people challenge things and try to find out information for themselves.

I’m happy to oblige! My suspicion came from my experiences of playing Aion for about 2 years. I’ll try to explain. In Aion, they had a system called “manastones” which could be inserted in armor to add stats to the armor. For example, the better armor pieces had about 5 to 6 manastone slots, in which you could place a “magic resist +14” manastone, or a “magic boost + 25” manastone. Heavily stacking magic resist in all six armor pieces would result in near-immunity against the most dangerous attacks in the game, so it was an important feature. Now, slotting each manastone could fail or succeed. If you failed the first manastone, it would disappear, gone. If you succeeded on the first manastone, but failed on the second manastone, all manastones would disappear, the first and the second. Poof, gone. And manastones were expensive. Imagine the rage that some people experienced when succeeding all but the last manastone, and destroying all manastones inserted. It was really painful, people sometimes needed hundreds of them.

Now, I say “people” needed hundreds of them. I, and other people in my guild who followed my advice, needed about 40 of them, at most, to succesfully slot armor with manastones. I had found out the hard way that if I slotted them in a remote place, and in a zone where there were barely other players around, the success rate was much, much higher. Having slotted manastones in this manner consistently for over a year, and knowing that others who did the same experienced the same results, I know that this was a serious factor in Aion. By the way, this is but one example, many RNG elements in Aion were affected by this principle. This is why I tried using the same tactic in this game.

I played aion…that story is complete Bull..Its the same as Making a dance with a hoolahoop before opening a coffin will give you better results…Its in your head.

Although Aion and GW2 has nothing in common, I mean being different developers in all, the theory may still be valid.

In a Claw of Jormag event, the loot table in the chest is highly affected by the number of players presently participating in the event. If you are in Lion’s Arch for example, or other zone where the coffer can drop, in theory, you are participating in the event.

My hypothesis is, if you open the coffer in your Home instance, Personal Story instance, or Hall of Manument instance, you are techinally not participating in the event thus your loot table is not influenced by other players in the area — since you’re the only player in your instance.

This is just a theory and worth a shot to test.

I’m currently stacking up coffers from drop (65 so far) that I stated last night while doing the dungeon. Once I get 300, should be enough, I’ll open 100 in Home, 100 in PS, and 100 in HoM and log the result.

If RNG is RNG, then the number of coffer I opened will not matter at all. But for the sake of science, I’ll try and make that 3k before the event is over — I’ll buy them off the TP if I have to.

One thing in relation to this: I noticed in Aion as well as in GW2 that, population wise, instances are linked to the zone from which you enter the instance. So fractals would be linked to LA (which is why I used to crash in every instance related to LA whereas I had no such problem anywhere else in the game). So I would advise against entering an instance unless it is linked to an empty zone, and even then I would advise opening them in the empty zone instead. Yes, I did seriously extensive testing into this in Aion, I’m a bit of a nerd that way (but a rich nerd because manastones was a serious problem for most players in the game). I would also advise opening 1k boxes at once; I’ll provide half of them if you need (too much gold, already have everything I could ever need anyway).

I agree with this, having played aion myself there was a correlation between how empty the zone was and your slotting success.

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Posted by: Buttercup.5871

Buttercup.5871

Yes, I’m assuming since I have no insights to how the GW2 programming works either. AND that is the key point. I’m not sure any one of us knows…that’s why we do these “tests” to see how they work out. What I know for sure is that now I have 3 more Jade Weapon tickets than I did the day before. Could it have been a streak of luck? Sure, I suppose. However, I saw results and end of the day that’s what matters to me. I’ll do this again when I get another 1,000 RNG boxes of any type and see if I get similar results. I’m going to have a few of my guildmates test this as well to see what they find. They’ve had no luck getting any jade tickets thus far and I’m sure have opened a few thousand between them.

And this is exactly why I posted my results. My only hope is that this works for others as well, and that they are helped by it.

At first, I was unsure whether I should post anything on this, so I opened way more coffers than I needed to. But after opening thousands upon thousands of boxes in this manner, I saw consistent results (tickets) – against consistently receiving nothing in the past from thousands of coffers. That was my experience, and apparently, that was Gaviston’s experience too. I certainly don’t claim to know how Anet’s internal system operates, and I can’t prove that my claims are correct. All I can do is try out what works. And if it consistently works for me, hopefully, it works for other people too. If it does, I’m happy, and my work is done. If it doesn’t – if people use this method, and after 1k boxes don’t get a ticket – I certainly hope they will post it here, too.

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Posted by: Ruruuiye.8912

Ruruuiye.8912

I sense here an almost religious assumption by certain people that they know exactly how Anet has coded the RNG and that it has been coded as a straight up raw pseudorandom RNG. The difference in Aion of course is that there wasn’t, as far as I know, a unified all-servers economy, at least not back when I was playing and it may have been a function of controlling the wealth of individual servers. (Players that are too rich won’t pay money nor hourly Korean fees to grind.) The problem is, this isn’t a card table at a legitimate casino where the dealer isn’t cheating and the odds related to a pack of cards is common knowledge – they can code the RNG however they want and it really is up to the players to explore how it works. Now mind you I personally don’t believe that RNG is related to zone population (though I tried it anyway, cuz after 1500-2000 empty coffers, I’ll try any negligible cost solution) but that belief is based on reasoning that it is an unncessary complexity, a non-productive piece of coding for Anet to have added and no apparent easy way it could have crept in as a bug. It does not preclude some other form of modification or bug in the RNG.

What I’m actually seeing here is a complete misapplication of Gambler’s Fallacy. Akittens core, Gambler’s Fallacy and Inverse Gambler’s Fallacy is about expecting future results one way or another based on whether past results were positive or negative. It only applies to truly random events (and we have no proof whatsoever that the RNG is truly as random as a simple dice toss) and it does not apply to experimentation.

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Posted by: Ayrilana.1396

Ayrilana.1396

You have no proof that it’s not random either. There is actual more evidence to suggest that it’s random than not.

Whether it is experimentation or not is irrelevant. I can buy lottery tickets with different numbers from different locations during different times of the day. In the end there isn’t a difference.

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Posted by: Lisa.6102

Lisa.6102

well did not work for me …. I was hoping to some rng God you would prove me wrong but logically i knew you wouldn’t any way

500 naked farmed and opened naked netted me

2 Tickets
24 mini risen knights.. ( i thought it was 19 when i checked it was 24)
3 Dragon wing skins

500 Full magic find gear and buffs- opened at the spot buttercup suggested

1 ticket
3 mini risen knights

= Epic Fail

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Posted by: Buttercup.5871

Buttercup.5871

Lisa. You wanted this to fail so bad, you’re even telling lies. Dragon wings don’t drop from coffers. They never have. Second, getting 1 ticket from 500 coffers is more than twice the normal odds, see wiki research, indicating a 0.08 drop rate percentage. Other than that, I said 1k coffers not 500, but regardless. My point was consistency. You compare 1 event against one other. I compared thousands of coffers one way, and thousands another way. Try and reproduce your fluky norn ticket streak. You can’t. I’m however trying to see what I can consistently reproduce. And so far, it has worked every time. Even with you.

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Posted by: Lisa.6102

Lisa.6102

Buttercup I never said I got them from coffers, you are assuming that, If you read through my other posts on other threads you will see exactly where I got my dragon wing, you even posted on the thread (where’s the rolling eye’s emoticon when you need it?)
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/dragonbash/Dragon-wing-cover/first#post2278858

So DO NOT call me a liar as that is one thing I am not.

Anyways , you keep thinking MF helps ….

And I’ll keep farming Naked….

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Posted by: Buttercup.5871

Buttercup.5871

You said 500 coffers opened netted you 3 dragon wings. In this post. How am I to assume this means something that it is not?
And Lisa, to be perfectly clear, many people would have jumped up and down with joy getting 1 ticket from 500 coffers. This post is meant for them. Again, before using this method, I had opened thousands of coffers and received nothing.

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Posted by: Lisa.6102

Lisa.6102

Buttercup Read back through this thread you will see I have plainly and Clearly stated the wings were from drops … shhheeeeshhhhhhh…

Getting lump on forehead now (brick walls aren’t soft)

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Posted by: Buttercup.5871

Buttercup.5871

well did not work for me …. I was hoping to some rng God you would prove me wrong but logically i knew you wouldn’t any way

500 naked farmed and opened naked netted me

2 Tickets
24 mini risen knights.. ( i thought it was 19 when i checked it was 24)
3 Dragon wing skins

500 Full magic find gear and buffs- opened at the spot buttercup suggested

1 ticket
3 mini risen knights

= Epic Fail

I’m just reading what you wrote. If you want to include farming results against plain opening coffers, it makes no sense whatsoever. You could have included rares, exotics, porous bones, anything. So I assumed you made a proper comparison. Opening coffers against opening coffers. Anyone reading what I quoted would have done that. You clearly wanted to beef up your other findings when you included those wings. Which shows you are not objective, you don’t want this method to succeed. But you see: you’ve already beaten the odds by 120% getting that ticket using the method I described. That’s the core of this thread. I hope it helps people getting their ticket. And I’m getting more and more confident that it will.

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Posted by: Lisa.6102

Lisa.6102

OMG face palm … really read the thread from the begining , and then tell me which one of us is wearing blinkers….

as I said before. you go on believing in MF …

I’ll continue to farm naked

BTW what did I beat them by when I I got two out of 500 crates naked? ( lets see double that of the MF ???? )

It’s all a bit like the old stone soup story isn’t it

LOL

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Posted by: Buttercup.5871

Buttercup.5871

OMG face palm … really read the thread from the begining , and then tell me which one of us is wearing blinkers….

as I said before. you go on believing in MF …

I’ll continue to farm naked

BTW what did I beat them by when I I got two out of 500 crates naked? ( lets see double that of the MF ???? )

It’s all a bit like the old stone soup story isn’t it

LOL

Why should I read another thread, or other posts in a thread, to make sense of what you write? And “beating the odds” refers to the process of getting something that is difficult to get due to the low chances of getting the item. This particular item, a jade weapon ticket, has a chance of one in 1250 coffers of dropping. You got it in 500 using my method. Now, if you believe that opening chests naked improves your odds of getting a ticket, I suggest you dedicate your own thread to this, indicating methods used and indicating what happened after at least opening 10k coffers in that manner. This thread is about magic find, an whether it improves the odds of opening coffers.

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Posted by: Ayrilana.1396

Ayrilana.1396

Some people are so set in their beliefs that you can’t have a rational debate with them. It’s similar to that religious lady in the movie The Mist. I suggest that everyone just accept you’ll never agree and move on.

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Posted by: Lisa.6102

Lisa.6102

OMG face palm … really read the thread from the begining , and then tell me which one of us is wearing blinkers….

as I said before. you go on believing in MF …

I’ll continue to farm naked

BTW what did I beat them by when I I got two out of 500 crates naked? ( lets see double that of the MF ???? )

It’s all a bit like the old stone soup story isn’t it

LOL

Why should I read another thread, or other posts in a thread, to make sense of what you write? And “beating the odds” refers to the process of getting something that is difficult to get due to the low chances of getting the item. This particular item, a jade weapon ticket, has a chance of one in 1250 coffers of dropping. You got it in 500 using my method. Now, if you believe that opening chests naked improves your odds of getting a ticket, I suggest you dedicate your own thread to this, indicating methods used and indicating what happened after at least opening 10k coffers in that manner. This thread is about magic find, an whether it improves the odds of opening coffers.

Obviously you so blinded by your way of thinking.

Opening the chests naked netted me double the tickets of your method
and 8 times the amount of mini knights
Why can’t you see this ? Why do you skip over this point every time , I got more without using your method.
and i was going to say 3 times the amount of dragon wings from drops previously stated in this thread but i thought you might have a conniption. lol ( When someone posts something that I think is incorrect or that doesn’t make sense to me , I read back through their posts to see if it’s perhaps it’s ME that has it wrong, I suggest you to that yourself sometimes, saves you from having to eat crow)

Therefore my nakedness improved my chances if i went by your logic.

Do i believe that being naked was the cause of my luck? I seriously doubt it but it saves me money having to repair and i’m in a low level zone so I don’t need armor.

and yes I agree with the Ayrilana It is like a religious discussion.

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Posted by: Onshidesigns.1069

Onshidesigns.1069

OMG face palm … really read the thread from the begining , and then tell me which one of us is wearing blinkers….

as I said before. you go on believing in MF …

I’ll continue to farm naked

BTW what did I beat them by when I I got two out of 500 crates naked? ( lets see double that of the MF ???? )

It’s all a bit like the old stone soup story isn’t it

LOL

Why should I read another thread, or other posts in a thread, to make sense of what you write? And “beating the odds” refers to the process of getting something that is difficult to get due to the low chances of getting the item. This particular item, a jade weapon ticket, has a chance of one in 1250 coffers of dropping. You got it in 500 using my method. Now, if you believe that opening chests naked improves your odds of getting a ticket, I suggest you dedicate your own thread to this, indicating methods used and indicating what happened after at least opening 10k coffers in that manner. This thread is about magic find, an whether it improves the odds of opening coffers.

Obviously you so blinded by your way of thinking.

Open the chests naked netted me double the tickets of your method
and 8 times the amount of mini knights
Why can’t you see this ? Why do you skip over this point every time , I got more without using your method.
and i was going to say 3 times the amount of dragon wings from drops previously stated in this thread but i thought you might have a conniption. lol

Therefore my nakedness improved my chances if i went by your logic.

Do i believe that being naked was the cause of my luck? I seriously doubt it but it saves me money having to repair and i’m in a low level zone so I don’t need armor.

and yes I agree with the Ayrilana It is like a religious discussion.

This concept might not be as crazy as some people here think it is. No scientists have figured out exactly how consciousness really works. It’s more them random chemical reactions.

What if the brain acts like a computer and your consciousness is the software. Maybe the consciousness is in the electromagnetic field around the body. And controls the brain through quantum mechanics.

If thats true. Then maybe someone believing something can work could change possible outcomes. Science has almost no understanding of how the consciousness and quantum mechanics works.

This is just a theory, so research it by typing in consciousness quantum entanglement
in google and youtube.

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Posted by: Lisa.6102

Lisa.6102

Lollllllllllll !!!!!!!!!

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Posted by: Sir Vincent III.1286

Sir Vincent III.1286

Unless you know how the game is programed this doesn’t really apply. It is easy to say if I roll a pair of dice 10 times and roll a 5 each time that the propbablility of rolling a 5 on my next roll does not change based upon the prior ten rolls. this is because the “programming” of the dice is a known quantity. there are 6 sides each with the same chance of turning up and the combinations that make 5 (1-4. 4-1, 2-3 and 3-2) are finite.

Only Anet knows how the programming of the game and how different variables (MF, Zone, speed of opening) factor into the loot mechanisms.

Again, you’re assuming that speed of opening, time of day, or whatever are actually a factor. These are things people make up to explain what they felt was a pattern. These are also the same people who have a lack of understanding about statistics/probability.

Understanding statistics and probability will not give your result.

The test is to be conducted based on a hypothesis.

So far, the tests favors the hypothesis more truthful that the theory of Evolution.

Want improbable probability with a monkey as a factor? There you go.

Experience-wise, not knowledge-wise, some games have hidden mechanics that affects the RNG.

Whether you believe it or not, not my problem, we speak thru experience with tangible result other than using theoretical statistics and probability. In fact, our method is more acceptable than yours.

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Posted by: Onshidesigns.1069

Onshidesigns.1069

Lollllllllllll !!!!!!!!!

My post wasn’t meant to be a joke. It is a theory based on real scientific evidence.

Look at the Double Slit Experiment. How we observe or not observe light particles determines whether or not light is a wave or shows as particles.

Double Slit Experiment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfPeprQ7oGc

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Posted by: Zaxares.5419

Zaxares.5419

The devs have stated that Magic Find only applies to loot directly dropped from monsters. It does not affect loot from chests, containers (such as Bags, Coffers etc.) or the Mystic Forge.

That said, we can’t rule out the possibility that the devs may be wrong. Yes, according to the design specifications, MF should not affect everything, but it’s possible that due to an unknown and extremely well-hidden bug, it DOES affect everything. Or maybe it does have an unintentional positive effect, but the effect is so miniscule that your average player will not see any appreciable benefit from it unless they open thousands upon thousands of chests/containers.

At the end of the day, if you have a MF set, what’s the harm in throwing it on when you open coffers? However, I don’t feel we should be claiming it as fact unless there’s incontrovertible proof from hundreds of players that it does have a noticeable effect.

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Posted by: Buttercup.5871

Buttercup.5871

At the end of the day, if you have a MF set, what’s the harm in throwing it on when you open coffers? However, I don’t feel we should be claiming it as fact unless there’s incontrovertible proof from hundreds of players that it does have a noticeable effect.

That was the purpose of posting my findings after opening thousands of coffers. I can in no way claim that this is “evidence” that my findings are matters of fact. They are matters of experience. The experience of others is needed to confirm, with more certainty than not, whether MF affects opening coffers. So far, the three people in this forum that tried it in the way I described have beaten the odds by signficant amounts, the normal odds being 1 ticket per 1250 coffers.

In a nutshell, both me (after opening thousands upon thousands of coffers) and Lisa (after opening 500 coffers) received 1 ticket per 500 coffers. Gaviston received 1,5 ticket per 500 coffers (after opening 1k coffers). I should add that Gaviston used more MF than I did: his MF was around 220, while mine was around 130/140.

If you want to test this, go to the Black Citadel, near the TP, and open 1k coffers using a truckload of magic find. That’s the common denominator between Gaviston, Lisa and me opening regular dragon coffers.

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Posted by: Gabby.3205

Gabby.3205

1000 Regular Coffers
All opened in Black Citadel with 181% MF
No Tickets (yeah I’m just that lucky…)
2018 pieces of Zhaitaffy
6 Mini Holographic Risen Knight
1 Hard Potion
2 Warm Potion
4 Cold Potion
4 Charged Potion
18 Dragonfish Candies
16 Dragonfly Cupcakes
14 Slices of Candied Dragon Roll
10 Koi Cakes
24 Dragon’s Breath Buns
9 Kralkachocolate Bars
10 Koi Cakes
192 Fireworks

Oh well, I tried :T

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Posted by: Buttercup.5871

Buttercup.5871

Bah that really sucks! Well, at least you didn’t have to pay for the coffers, but it still sucks monkeyballs. I really hoped you’d get a ticket, you’ve been exceptionally unlucky during this event when it comes to tickets.

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Posted by: Gabby.3205

Gabby.3205

Yeah, I’m always unlucky, to be honest xD
Thanks anyway, Buttercup. That was really kind of you.

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Posted by: Zaxares.5419

Zaxares.5419

Gabby’s experience is why I’m still skeptical about the theory that MF applies to everything. We have hundreds of thousands of players in GW2 at any particular time, and usually only those who are extremely lucky, or extremely unlucky, will come to the forums to post about their experiences. We can’t really rely on the experiences of these outliers since it’s likely that the silent majority fits neatly into the “bell curve” of statistical outcomes.

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Posted by: Buttercup.5871

Buttercup.5871

Gabby’s experience is why I’m still skeptical about the theory that MF applies to everything. We have hundreds of thousands of players in GW2 at any particular time, and usually only those who are extremely lucky, or extremely unlucky, will come to the forums to post about their experiences. We can’t really rely on the experiences of these outliers since it’s likely that the silent majority fits neatly into the “bell curve” of statistical outcomes.

I was just as sceptical as you, except after 10k coffers, less sceptical. Gabby’s experience, although unfortunate, does not mean “disprove” the theory. Neither does my experience “prove” it either. You just need more than 4 people trying this. And since no one is willing to try it, which I fully understand since it’s not in line with what we’ve been told about MF, this theory will just go to the waste bin.

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Posted by: Zaxares.5419

Zaxares.5419

Well, if you’ll send me 1000 Coffers and a MF armor set, I’d gladly help test your theory!

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Posted by: Estrella.7932

Estrella.7932

I think it is an very interesting theory. Maybe it helps us to understand in parts how the RNG system of GW2 works. If I can afford the gold for buying another 1000 dragon coffers, I will test it. I can’t promise, because these days I don’t habe much time to spend for GW2 because of real life stuff.
It is exciting and if MF has no influence and the location also not, i have lost nothing. So I/we can only win. If I should test it, I will post my outcome here. Thx for your efforts Buttercup.

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Posted by: Buttercup.5871

Buttercup.5871

You’re most welcome Estrella. I’m hoping you get some good results! I’ve stopped opening them after 12 tickets, I really don’t need more