Guild Wars 2

I love having pve players in wvw. It just means I get free kills. And I really could care less if they stay or not. That’s the only reason I play wvw at all is to farm them. Certainly not to pvd or blob-surf. I really don’t understand why anyone would zerg at all when there’s walking lootbags wandering around gathering at nodes, watching vistas, andNd killing ambient creatures

Arkanaloth.3059:

Heezdedjim.8902:

Bubi.7942:

2. Is it even possible to NOT reach rank 30 while exploring WvW?

It depends how you go about it. If you go in and actually play WvW and just grab POIs and vistas as your side happens to get them, then you can probably reach rank 30 quicker than getting all the maps done, especially if your server is running weak and stays the same color for a while.

In the last week when SoR has been a ghost town due to EOTM sucking the entire server away, I’ve managed to reach 21 just following around whatever blue tag happened to be on the map, and I only have the red borderlands and maybe 40% of EB, with only a few points around the red corners in the other BLs. I don’t think I’ll see anywhere near full completion until we get swapped around to the other colors eventually.

If your server runs the map nightly and you can go anywhere you want, then maybe exploration would go a lot quicker than the ranks.

generally when I was doing exploration, it was pretty tough to follow the zerg.. it helped get a few spots here and there (hence the rank 1 or 2) but on the whole they stuck to a “pattern” and didn’t really deviate…

Trying to solo map WvW zones is the quickest way to frustration I’ve ever seen in my life unless you pretty regularly do PVP and have builds / gear for it. Since I don’t.. i pretty quickly ruled this option out (after several pretty one-sided masochistic poundings)

so… i waited and observed. I noticed zone color shifts and realized sometimes they coincided to zones I needed mapped so i waited on my server to have control of a zone I needed, then i went in during server off-time when the populations were at the lowest (mornings… mid-day… etc…) and mapped a little bit each time.

annoying to say the least, but it’s over, however, the experience told me pretty clearly I have absolutely zero business in a WvW zone. It’s just not “my thing” and never will be.

All that time wasted, all that waiting, when you could have gotten it in about 1-2 days with actually playing.

Sad.

Bubi.7942:

All that time wasted, all that waiting, when you could have gotten it in about 1-2 days with actually playing.

Sad.

Play PvE, zone into home server borderlands for city services when you need city services anyway, look at map, do some map completion if map looks advantageous, go back to playing PvE. Not a second wasted on WvW or waiting. Also, money saved on WP to cities.

Bubi.7942:

All that time wasted, all that waiting, when you could have gotten it in about 1-2 days with actually playing.

Or not, in case of servers lower on the ladder.

Astralporing.1957:

Bubi.7942:

All that time wasted, all that waiting, when you could have gotten it in about 1-2 days with actually playing.

Or not, in case of servers lower on the ladder.

Lower than what? I’m from t9.

Arkanaloth.3059:

Trying to solo map WvW zones is the quickest way to frustration I’ve ever seen in my life unless you pretty regularly do PVP and have builds / gear for it. Since I don’t.. i pretty quickly ruled this option out (after several pretty one-sided masochistic poundings)

Well there are only a limited number of open points that you can even try to get on your own. Camps and the NPC areas you can just blitz through even if not friendly just to get the POI. Vistas and skill points you can get if you sneak around and are careful to do it when the enemy is elsewhere.

The big problem is most of the POIs and vistas are inside structures you can only enter when your side holds them. So you can either wait to see it go friendly and then try to sneak in before it gets flipped, or go along with a zerg and hope they decide to grab it on their way past at some point.

I wind up running around with whatever zerg is there while “waiting” for points to go friendly, because otherwise I’m just sitting there doing nothing. Then I find that I have more interest in the actual WvW than I do with getting the map completion done, so I figure it will just be done when it’s done.

All that time wasted, all that waiting, when you could have gotten it in about 1-2 days with actually playing.

Sad.

contrary to this opinion, clearing wvw takes quite a bit longer than 2 days for people with no interest in being there at all….

though I do agree that having to clear WvW is a waste of time, no argument there… unfortunately it’s “part of the deal”

and I did actually “play” just didn’t like it. See here’s the thing, when you’re new to something you’re just bad at it… that goes with the territory. After that, if you enjoyed it… you slip into the mode of trying to improve. If you didn’t enjoy it.. you slip into the mode of avoiding it like the plague. So, did I enjoy WvW enough to want to improve?? Nope, sure didn’t.

so I did other PVE stuff, checked zone control and got it done within my comfort zone, as opposed to dealing with content I don’t enjoy any more than I had to. I couldn’t care less about how “FAST” it’s done… just that it’s done with a minimum of annoyance.

Manasa Devi.7958:

Bubi.7942:

All that time wasted, all that waiting, when you could have gotten it in about 1-2 days with actually playing.

Sad.

Play PvE, zone into home server borderlands for city services when you need city services anyway, look at map, do some map completion if map looks advantageous, go back to playing PvE. Not a second wasted on WvW or waiting. Also, money saved on WP to cities.

pretty much… that’s exactly what I did.

Arkanaloth.3059:

All that time wasted, all that waiting, when you could have gotten it in about 1-2 days with actually playing.

Sad.

contrary to this opinion, clearing wvw takes quite a bit longer than 2 days for people with no interest in being there at all….

though I do agree that having to clear WvW is a waste of time, no argument there… unfortunately it’s “part of the deal”

and I did actually “play” just didn’t like it. See here’s the thing, when you’re new to something you’re just bad at it… that goes with the territory. After that, if you enjoyed it… you slip into the mode of trying to improve. If you didn’t enjoy it.. you slip into the mode of avoiding it like the plague. So, did I enjoy WvW enough to want to improve?? Nope, sure didn’t.

so I did other PVE stuff, checked zone control and got it done within my comfort zone, as opposed to dealing with content I don’t enjoy any more than I had to. I couldn’t care less about how “FAST” it’s done… just that it’s done with a minimum of annoyance.

Don’t want to argue, cause I can see there is not much point but:

Pressing the WvW button does not equal trying. I mean you said you were rank 1 or2, right? Well, you start from rank 1, so I’m guessing that you are rank 2. That’s 1000 WXP, which equals roughly 2-3 camps.

I wouldn’t say you tried WvW at all. I would say you never wanted to try WvW – which is a completly different matter.

Maybe he tried before there was such a thing as World Rank? It wasn’t added until about 6 months after release.

Judging from the post, that is not the case.

I don’t see how you come to that conclusion.

“…generally when I was doing exploration, it was pretty tough to follow the zerg.. it helped get a few spots here and there (hence the rank 1 or 2)…”

Bubi.7942:

Pressing the WvW button does not equal trying.

In your opinion it doesn’t. Perhaps it is this mentality that drives away much of the pve players from even considering trying pvp. Instead of letting them choose their own pace it seems the pvp community prefers to claim they must play for x amount of time or achieve x level rank before the pve player can say they tried pvp and didn’t like it.

Darkbattlemage.9612:

Bubi.7942:

Pressing the WvW button does not equal trying.

In your opinion it doesn’t. Perhaps it is this mentality that drives away much of the pve players from even considering trying pvp. Instead of letting them choose their own pace it seems the pvp community prefers to claim they must play for x amount of time or achieve x level rank before the pve player can say they tried pvp and didn’t like it.

What? So not trying is equal to trying? No one is pushing you or forcing WvW upon you. Getting your legendary is optional, and is your choice to do so.

I guess Gift of Battle (battle not required) makes sense in that strange universe many people seem to live in.

Bubi.7942:

I guess Gift of Battle (battle not required) makes sense in that strange universe many people seem to live in.

It fits perfectly with GW2’s Legendary Weapons (legend not available). Not doing battle for a Gift of Battle to make a Legendary Weapon that has no legend. Perfect!

Bubi.7942:

What? So not trying is equal to trying? No one is pushing you or forcing WvW upon you. Getting your legendary is optional, and is your choice to do so.

You’re right, no one is forcing it upon me because I simply don’t care for something as trivial as a “legendary”. The same logic can be applied to the pvp community who groan about being forced into PvE, Anet not holding a Scarlet to your head. You don’t have to go into pve, it is optional.

Anyways people have tried the game mode and found it not to their liking. Just because in your opinion they didn’t try doesn’t make it fact. This mentality is counter to what Anet hopes to accomplish with these decisions and with the WvW community’s claim of wanting more people to enter the game mode. Some people absolutely love pvp while others don’t. Then there are those who participate in PvP once in a while, such as myself, who will not find the “requirements” impose by the wvw community to their style of game play. Also as some have pointed out there is the hardware limitations of their machine to consider.

Bubi.7942:

I guess Gift of Battle (battle not required) makes sense in that strange universe many people seem to live in.

Battle: To fight or contend with somebody or something.

Fighting against the A.I controlled mobs fits this definition just as well as fighting another player in pvp. I don’t see anything within its name that implies the item should be exclusive to pvp. I also don’t see why some of the wvw community is horribly against the idea of separating the two game modes, where they can acquire the things they are “forced” to play pve for within wvw itself.

Darkbattlemage.9612:

This mentality is counter to what Anet hopes to accomplish with these decisions and with the WvW community’s claim of wanting more people to enter the game mode. Some people absolutely love pvp while others don’t. Then there are those who participate in PvP once in a while, such as myself, who will not find the “requirements” impose by the wvw community to their style of game play. Also as some have pointed out there is the hardware limitations of their machine to consider.

I think we are saying the same thing here.

That a rank requirement is good – as it lets people experience WvW and maybe like it. I’m fine with people not liking it, I do not want everyone to like it. But people should experience it before saying “nay”.

If there was absolutly no requirement (as is now) to get a “legendary” – which is the holy grail of PvE I think, there is absolutly no reason for PvE-ers to try other gamemodes (they might even like).

True, there is exploration. But I am amazed that people say they reached lv2 while exploring. That’s like. I dunno.

And of course, even with the requirement, people could still evade ‘proper’ WvW. I mean, I posted in another thrread, that you could just kill the Veteran wurm 650 times for the ranks.

I won’t comment on the Battle definition

Edit: I will after all. If you look at it like that, you could get Battles of Honor for chatting in LA. You know, battleing the crowd and your inner deamons :P

Bubi.7942:

I think we are saying the same thing here.

After reading the post I have to agree we are saying similar things. However the difference is our opinion on what constitutes as trying and not trying. How to resolve the issue? I don’t really know, as any type of standard put in place would be considered “forcing” wvw onto those who don’t want to try it.

Bubi.7942:

I won’t comment on the Battle definition

Edit: I will after all. If you look at it like that, you could get Battles of Honor for chatting in LA. You know, battleing the crowd and your inner deamons :P

But is arguing with random people and one’s inner daemons truly honorable? The name Gift of Battle implies a gift gain from any kind of battle. Now if it were changed to Gift of Conquest I might actually have to agree it being a pvp exclusive as we don’t see anything being conquered by the players in pve.

Darkbattlemage.9612:

After reading the post I have to agree we are saying similar things. However the difference is our opinion on what constitutes as trying and not trying. How to resolve the issue? I don’t really know, as any type of standard put in place would be considered “forcing” wvw onto those who don’t want to try it.

No one is being forced into WvW. Legendaries are game completion rewards. If you haven’t completed the game, so to speak, you don’t deserve a legendary.

I personally think you need to get a certain amount of Glory (perhaps around 50,000) as well, for a legendary, so that all 3 aspects of GW2 are represented.

Reverence.6915:

No one is being forced into WvW. Legendaries are game completion rewards. If you haven’t completed the game, so to speak, you don’t deserve a legendary.

The same logic can be applied to those within the pvp community who are groaning about being forced into PvE. Yet it seems acceptable that they can complain while the pve community is told there isn’t a problem.

Reverence.6915:

I personally think you need to get a certain amount of Glory (perhaps around 50,000) as well, for a legendary, so that all 3 aspects of GW2 are represented.

Why do we need to have an item represent all 3 aspects of GW2 if the person in possession only likes one? Shouldn’t the item reflect the tastes of its owner? Shouldn’t those who like Structured PvP be able to acquire a legendary that has requirements in their favorite game mode because it reflects their interest? How about WvW community being able to acquire everything they need or want from WvW itself, wouldn’t that make them happier than feeling they are forced to endure a game mode they had no intention of playing?

I brought the game solely because I liked what I saw in the pve side, I have no intention of trying pvp since it doesn’t interest me in the least. I don’t expect to receive a Legendary, nor do I actually want one. However I do think the opposition against legendaries having requirements in all game modes has brought up excellent points.

Bubi.7942:

Arkanaloth.3059:

All that time wasted, all that waiting, when you could have gotten it in about 1-2 days with actually playing.

Sad.

contrary to this opinion, clearing wvw takes quite a bit longer than 2 days for people with no interest in being there at all….

though I do agree that having to clear WvW is a waste of time, no argument there… unfortunately it’s “part of the deal”

and I did actually “play” just didn’t like it. See here’s the thing, when you’re new to something you’re just bad at it… that goes with the territory. After that, if you enjoyed it… you slip into the mode of trying to improve. If you didn’t enjoy it.. you slip into the mode of avoiding it like the plague. So, did I enjoy WvW enough to want to improve?? Nope, sure didn’t.

so I did other PVE stuff, checked zone control and got it done within my comfort zone, as opposed to dealing with content I don’t enjoy any more than I had to. I couldn’t care less about how “FAST” it’s done… just that it’s done with a minimum of annoyance.

Don’t want to argue, cause I can see there is not much point but:

Pressing the WvW button does not equal trying. I mean you said you were rank 1 or2, right? Well, you start from rank 1, so I’m guessing that you are rank 2. That’s 1000 WXP, which equals roughly 2-3 camps.

I wouldn’t say you tried WvW at all. I would say you never wanted to try WvW – which is a completly different matter.

well I did say I had no interest in being there at all….

As for not trying.. I was there… I participated in combat there and did so on more than one occassion. Ran about with people seeming to be in charge.. checked out the chat channels to see what was going on where, blah blah blah…. and if they happened to be near something I needed, I got it. There’s no “amount” limit on the definition of “try”. Regardless of how you may feel about how much I tried it, it doesn’t change the fact that by any definition of the term I did try it and didn’t enjoy it.

I think that’s the biggest issue, there’s the idea that if you “really” try it you’ll like it, well I can pretty easily speak for myself when I say that’s just not the case. Other people, well, that’s on them.

On the other hand, the idea that this is “forced” content doesn’t exactly sit well either… I mean it’s not like someone has a gun to your head… Make statements all you want before hand but once it’s out there there’s no longer much point in theorycrafting and one has a decision to make. Ultimately the question for me was simple:

“Do I care enough about this storyline and those achievement points…. to do something I don’t enjoy.”

For me, the answer was “nahh sure don’t.” As my mom would say “It ain’t that deep!” Upside is I’ve caught up on other games during this event so it’s not like it’s been a total waste.

Darkbattlemage.9612:

Reverence.6915:

No one is being forced into WvW. Legendaries are game completion rewards. If you haven’t completed the game, so to speak, you don’t deserve a legendary.

The same logic can be applied to those within the pvp community who are groaning about being forced into PvE. Yet it seems acceptable that they can complain while the pve community is told there isn’t a problem.

Reverence.6915:

I personally think you need to get a certain amount of Glory (perhaps around 50,000) as well, for a legendary, so that all 3 aspects of GW2 are represented.

Why do we need to have an item represent all 3 aspects of GW2 if the person in possession only likes one? Shouldn’t the item reflect the tastes of its owner? Shouldn’t those who like Structured PvP be able to acquire a legendary that has requirements in their favorite game mode because it reflects their interest? How about WvW community being able to acquire everything they need or want from WvW itself, wouldn’t that make them happier than feeling they are forced to endure a game mode they had no intention of playing?

I brought the game solely because I liked what I saw in the pve side, I have no intention of trying pvp since it doesn’t interest me in the least. I don’t expect to receive a Legendary, nor do I actually want one. However I do think the opposition against legendaries having requirements in all game modes has brought up excellent points.

Because game completion rewards are cool and rewards me for trying out all of what the designers and developers of GW2 created.

There are already cosmetic rewards for only doing a certain facet of the game – it’s called titles (Been there, done that, Dungeon Master, Veteran of the Mists, Slayer etc). The whole premise of a legendary was that you’ve been in all parts of the game, and since that’s not the case, it needs to be changed so it does reflect game completion.

I won’t be getting a legendary any time soon because I hate running dungeons and exploration feels very dull to me. Whilst I completed WvW maps on 3 of my toons, my Tyria completion is only 61% on my main. That legendary at the end is a nice motivator to keep trying though.

Allie Murdock.8152:

Update on this:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/wuv/wuv/Gift-of-Battle-rank-requirement-update

Thank you for this progress.

Ride the karma train in WvW- usually a commander is leading it. Easy rank 30