Guild Wars 2

To all the Defender from Anet taking away my legit Progress what you think of this.

Update news: Skritt burglars arriving! They have a complete new currency the platinum from now on every item will be sold for platinum not for Gold!!therefor your Gold will be reseted to 30 Gold wich is the cost you Need to buy your new platinumtradingpostlicence. Reason is we want all Players to start on even ground!
•Asking to keep/convert your old Gold would be, in effect, gaining Money you didn’t earn.
•All you have lost is a meaningless number, which is visible only to you (and not even your group) Your gear is intact as is every reward you ever gained from your Gold with the exception of the total number aquired.
•Implementing a special snowflake reward as such is a terrible idea, and a slippery slope. Giving special “legacy” awards to farmers/Flippers and Tradingpostbotrunners opens up a whole can of worms regarding changed content "reimbursement

I in this case I could understand your Argument:)

phys.7689:

they actually made it impossible to get past 50, without buddying up with someone who already beat it before the fixes.

Remember they fixed fractals so you can join higher level than yours?

How do you think I levelled from 20 to 49? I “buddyed” with people having a bigger fractal number to play only even-numbered fractals. This way I could get a reward at the maw and not do a fractal for no reward.

What you describe is using exactly the same technique to level up avoiding Maw.

Everybody used that trick to level up. After 50, it became interesting to level up by doing odd-numbered fractals rather than even-numbered ones.

It’s NOT a trick or if it is, well, everyone past level 20 used it and I mean everyone!

In the past few month, I haven’t seen any “LFG fractals <odd-number between 20 and 50>”. Not a single one!

Wethospu.6437:

mtpelion.4562:

They have also changed how “hard” is determined.
Right now, “hard” simply means “more agony”. It isn’t really harder, it just forces you to grind more and memorize the content.

They have indicated that they are revamping the challenge starting at level 30 so that the difficulty comes from both agony and some new metric.

I don’t really care about scenery or how game feels like. I care about the difficulty. No matter how you define new “hard” it is either easier, harder or equal than current “hard” (current scale 80). I have grinded easier difficulty (current scale 1-79) to reach harder difficulty. If I after patch have to replay easier difficulty to reach back my previous difficulty (if even available) of course I will be annoyed.

problem is the game mode you got kitten no longer exists. Adding gambits, or something similar adds a variable that makes it actually impossible to compare difficulty.

Understand, difficulty is not absolute, it is relative. The old systems difficulty you can compare directly.
more hp, more dmg, it means you have to play with less errors for longer. we know where you fit in that scale.

But this is a new fight.

You soloed lupicus some time ago, it demanded you make few mistakes and deal with his mechanics.

If they release a new boss, Lupicus Brother, who now summons 4 abominations, while you fight him on a ledge, and has a 50% chance to use a new phase 2 pattern, and 50% chance to do a different phase 3 pattern, Should you automatically get credit for beating him?

Even if he turns out not to be as hard as giganticus, he is actually a different fight you havent beat.

It sucks they killed your fractals, im not opposed to you getting title that represents what you used to have, Dont care if they want to give you some items, or whatever.

But stop acting like your past achievements mean you shouldnt have to face new challenges. If they choose to let you skip to the end, i wont care, but it would just be out of pity, not because you earned anything as far as this new content is concerned

Fror.2163:

phys.7689:

they actually made it impossible to get past 50, without buddying up with someone who already beat it before the fixes.

Remember they fixed fractals so you can join higher level than yours?

How do you think I levelled from 20 to 49? I “buddyed” with people having a bigger fractal number to play only even-numbered fractals. This way I could get a reward at the maw and not do a fractal for no reward.

What you describe is using exactly the same technique to level up avoiding Maw.

Everybody used that trick to level up. After 50, it became interesting to level up by doing odd-numbered fractals rather than even-numbered ones.

It’s NOT a trick or if it is, well, everyone past level 20 used it and I mean everyone!

Whether or not every one used it has nothing to with whether it was a trick, it was useful and solved many problems, However it, combined with odd fractals not having a boss, allowed people to skip the agony check part of the game.

Point really is, they actually did make it impossible to beat fractals, people just skipped these fractals. You cant really claim they didnt try to stop people from passing 50, they just didnt do it effectively enough.

This time its going to be effective though. If they had reset everyone before, it wouldnt be an issue now. Then people wouldnt have got whatever thrill they had from high level fractals. For those that did them, would that actually have been better for you? never to have seen a 75 fractal and tested your metal? Was it a mistake to let people continue even though it was unintended because it wasnt hurting anyone?

I’d say there is a pretty clear reason why ANet has not weighed in on this one. They have no interest, nor intention of doing anything about this.

People threw themselves against a wall for months for next to no benefit to themselves. They did it for a challenge. Ok, so if they did it for their own reasons, why should the be rewarded now by someone else. They did a difficult thing, that wasn’t specifically supported by ANet, for bragging rights. Why should ANet now give them recognition when that recognition never existed before?

ANet never really put a lot of thought into Fractals. It was an experiment that they’ve only now started to really think about and improve. You should consider all the time up to Fractured as Fractals Beta, and be glad that the wipe is only taking you back to 30, rather that to 1.

Now ANet IS supporting your struggle, and you should expect potentially better compensation for your efforts going forward. But no one cares about your efforts before, because they were your efforts for your reasons, and only you can reward yourself for that.

phys.7689:

Point really is, they actually did make it impossible to beat fractals, people just skipped these fractals. You cant really claim they didnt try to stop people from passing 50, they just didnt do it effectively enough.

They put a hard cap at 80. You could literally not select 81. Why did they not do that at 51?

I agree there was a soft cap at 50. Some people saw that as a challenge to go past. They shouldn’t be punished for that. If Anet didn’t want people to go 50+, they should have hard capped it.

If your reason for the reset is because people weren’t supposed to go past 50, why is the reset at 30 and not 50?

phys.7689:

they actually made it impossible to get past 50, without buddying up with someone who already beat it before the fixes.

This time its going to be effective though. If they had reset everyone before, it wouldnt be an issue now. Then people wouldnt have got whatever thrill they had from high level fractals. For those that did them, would that actually have been better for you? never to have seen a 75 fractal and tested your metal? Was it a mistake to let people continue even though it was unintended because it wasnt hurting anyone? [/quote]

It was and still is a mistake to not answer this question:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Fractals-cap-80/page/2#post3233760

since 10 almost 11 months now… and it was a mistake to let ppl complete it… it is a mistake to let ppl get Gold if you think you will delete it in the future

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

To all the Defender from Anet taking away my legit Progress what you think of this.

Update news: Skritt burglars arriving! They have a complete new currency the platinum from now on every item will be sold for platinum not for Gold!!therefor your Gold will be reseted to 30 Gold wich is the cost you Need to buy your new platinumtradingpostlicence. Reason is we want all Players to start on even ground!
•Asking to keep/convert your old Gold would be, in effect, gaining Money you didn’t earn.
•All you have lost is a meaningless number, which is visible only to you (and not even your group) Your gear is intact as is every reward you ever gained from your Gold with the exception of the total number aquired.
•Implementing a special snowflake reward as such is a terrible idea, and a slippery slope. Giving special “legacy” awards to farmers/Flippers and Tradingpostbotrunners opens up a whole can of worms regarding changed content "reimbursement

I in this case I could understand your Argument:)

your anaolgies are bad.

lets say they blow up Crucible of Eternity, a new dungen is made in its remains, they have a new story instance before you can get to new explorable, and new currency for the dungeon. Should you be able to skip the story mode, because you beat story mode in the old crucible? Should you be able to use your old tokens for the new items?

What they are destroying is old fractals.

Perhaps it would have been better if they had said the the old fractal machine blew up, and there is a new challenge in fractal machine deus.

I feel your entitled to something for beating fractal uno, (level 50) but it doesnt mean they should put fractal uno in the way of the new stuff, or should let you skip to the end of the new fractals.

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

To all the Defender from Anet taking away my legit Progress what you think of this.

Update news: Skritt burglars arriving! They have a complete new currency the platinum from now on every item will be sold for platinum not for Gold!!therefor your Gold will be reseted to 30 Gold wich is the cost you Need to buy your new platinumtradingpostlicence. Reason is we want all Players to start on even ground!
•Asking to keep/convert your old Gold would be, in effect, gaining Money you didn’t earn.
•All you have lost is a meaningless number, which is visible only to you (and not even your group) Your gear is intact as is every reward you ever gained from your Gold with the exception of the total number aquired.
•Implementing a special snowflake reward as such is a terrible idea, and a slippery slope. Giving special “legacy” awards to farmers/Flippers and Tradingpostbotrunners opens up a whole can of worms regarding changed content "reimbursement

I in this case I could understand your Argument:)

How can you compare an actual monetary unit, used to pay for travel, repairs, equipment and materials, to a level in a minigame that can’t be used for anything of value?

Kal Spiro.9745:

I’d say there is a pretty clear reason why ANet has not weighed in on this one. They have no interest, nor intention of doing anything about this.

People threw themselves against a wall for months for next to no benefit to themselves. They did it for a challenge. Ok, so if they did it for their own reasons, why should the be rewarded now by someone else. They did a difficult thing, that wasn’t specifically supported by ANet, for bragging rights. Why should ANet now give them recognition when that recognition never existed before?

ANet never really put a lot of thought into Fractals. It was an experiment that they’ve only now started to really think about and improve. You should consider all the time up to Fractured as Fractals Beta, and be glad that the wipe is only taking you back to 30, rather that to 1.

Now ANet IS supporting your struggle, and you should expect potentially better compensation for your efforts going forward. But no one cares about your efforts before, because they were your efforts for your reasons, and only you can reward yourself for that.

Resetting levels is not supportive.

You don’t have proof that it was not intended.

We HAVE proof that it was designed as an unlimited dungeon. Why would we night try to make it as far as possible?

If they didn’t intended to go past 50, why was there no hard cap at 50?

Kal Spiro.9745:

How can you compare an actual monetary unit, used to pay for travel, repairs, equipment and materials, to a level in a minigame that can’t be used for anything of value?

Because gold is a bad design, and platinum is the answer to all those people complaining they don’t have gold.

It doesn’t matter, because that gold is being deleted, so you don’t deserve it. Platinum will be incredibly better, so just move on and stop putting value in your obsolete gold.

Kal Spiro.9745:

I’d say there is a pretty clear reason why ANet has not weighed in on this one. They have no interest, nor intention of doing anything about this.

People threw themselves against a wall for months for next to no benefit to themselves. They did it for a challenge. Ok, so if they did it for their own reasons, why should the be rewarded now by someone else. They did a difficult thing, that wasn’t specifically supported by ANet, for bragging rights. Why should ANet now give them recognition when that recognition never existed before?

ANet never really put a lot of thought into Fractals. It was an experiment that they’ve only now started to really think about and improve. You should consider all the time up to Fractured as Fractals Beta, and be glad that the wipe is only taking you back to 30, rather that to 1.

Now ANet IS supporting your struggle, and you should expect potentially better compensation for your efforts going forward. But no one cares about your efforts before, because they were your efforts for your reasons, and only you can reward yourself for that.

This is not true why would they realese somthing that is in beta.. and I would prefer beeing wiped down to 1 … it would be actually FAIR for leaderbaords… and there would be a lot more complaints about it … it doens’t really matter if I loose 51 or 81 Levels the dmg for me Is way more than the biggest part of the community. Still if they would reset to 1 .. tthan I would have a lot more Support.

Ok, so now some people will actually level normally to 49-50 again.

Let’s imagine that the instability at level 40 is actually easier than 35 because the mechanics it involves is easier, but level 40 is actually longer in time.

What will people with PRL 35 do? Simple: “LFG fractals 40”. This will make the level 35 irrelevant and skippable like the current odd-numbered fractals below 50 or the even-numbered ones past 50.

And to be honest, I’m pretty sure there will be a scenario like this one where a fractal with level X (bigger than Y) will be easier than Y because Arena Net will not have tested enough and the dungeon community will find it, because they’ve found these weaknesses again and again in the past.

phys.7689:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

To all the Defender from Anet taking away my legit Progress what you think of this.

Update news: Skritt burglars arriving! They have a complete new currency the platinum from now on every item will be sold for platinum not for Gold!!therefor your Gold will be reseted to 30 Gold wich is the cost you Need to buy your new platinumtradingpostlicence. Reason is we want all Players to start on even ground!
•Asking to keep/convert your old Gold would be, in effect, gaining Money you didn’t earn.
•All you have lost is a meaningless number, which is visible only to you (and not even your group) Your gear is intact as is every reward you ever gained from your Gold with the exception of the total number aquired.
•Implementing a special snowflake reward as such is a terrible idea, and a slippery slope. Giving special “legacy” awards to farmers/Flippers and Tradingpostbotrunners opens up a whole can of worms regarding changed content "reimbursement

I in this case I could understand your Argument:)

your anaolgies are bad.

lets say they blow up Crucible of Eternity, a new dungen is made in its remains, they have a new story instance before you can get to new explorable, and new currency for the dungeon. Should you be able to skip the story mode, because you beat story mode in the old crucible? Should you be able to use your old tokens for the new items?

What they are destroying is old fractals.

Perhaps it would have been better if they had said the the old fractal machine blew up, and there is a new challenge in fractal machine deus.

I feel your entitled to something for beating fractal uno, (level 50) but it doesnt mean they should put fractal uno in the way of the new stuff, or should let you skip to the end of the new fractals.

Do you think they would delete your achievments tied to it? The achievments Tied to getting to 81 was the number of 81 .. they delete it would they delete the achievment you got in the old Coe? I don’t think so would they delete your Dungeon Tokkens ( in form of Progress) I don’t think so.. you can’t compare it anway since the Progress you have in fractals are not the tokkens it’s the Level the Progress you have in Dungeon is getting Dungeon tokkens

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

phys.7689:

they actually made it impossible to get past 50, without buddying up with someone who already beat it before the fixes.

This time its going to be effective though. If they had reset everyone before, it wouldnt be an issue now. Then people wouldnt have got whatever thrill they had from high level fractals. For those that did them, would that actually have been better for you? never to have seen a 75 fractal and tested your metal? Was it a mistake to let people continue even though it was unintended because it wasnt hurting anyone?

It was and still is a mistake to not answer this question:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Fractals-cap-80/page/2#post3233760

since 10 almost 11 months now… and it was a mistake to let ppl complete it… it is a mistake to let ppl get Gold if you think you will delete it in the future[/quote]

so you feel they should have deleted it months ago, admitted they made a mistake and moved on, I see. I guess that is valuable feedback.

i have a suggestion i think they should use in the future to better support both types of players, i think they will probably continue to have this problem going forward if they dont alter the system. Ill try to work up some graphics for it.

If you know delete dudgeon tokens where coming you can turn them into ectos so not really equivalent.

Higher rewards across board rewards at new 30 probly better then 80 and you are still complaining just because of a number change.

phys.7689:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

phys.7689:

they actually made it impossible to get past 50, without buddying up with someone who already beat it before the fixes.

This time its going to be effective though. If they had reset everyone before, it wouldnt be an issue now. Then people wouldnt have got whatever thrill they had from high level fractals. For those that did them, would that actually have been better for you? never to have seen a 75 fractal and tested your metal? Was it a mistake to let people continue even though it was unintended because it wasnt hurting anyone?

It was and still is a mistake to not answer this question:
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Fractals-cap-80/page/2#post3233760

since 10 almost 11 months now… and it was a mistake to let ppl complete it… it is a mistake to let ppl get Gold if you think you will delete it in the future

so you feel they should have deleted it months ago, admitted they made a mistake and moved on, I see. I guess that is valuable feedback.

i have a suggestion i think they should use in the future to better support both types of players, i think they will probably continue to have this problem going forward if they dont alter the system. Ill try to work up some graphics for it.[/quote]

I well it woulnd’t save me but a lot of Players and for me I would have complained about it back than and might woulnd’t have played the 3.5k hours I have with the 14k achievs Point and just would have moved to another game… and well they gave titles with the QP Problem they failed.. why don’t they do the same with unique titles for us?.. you guys are really sooo jalous?

JMar.3254:

Kal Spiro.9745:

I’d say there is a pretty clear reason why ANet has not weighed in on this one. They have no interest, nor intention of doing anything about this.

People threw themselves against a wall for months for next to no benefit to themselves. They did it for a challenge. Ok, so if they did it for their own reasons, why should the be rewarded now by someone else. They did a difficult thing, that wasn’t specifically supported by ANet, for bragging rights. Why should ANet now give them recognition when that recognition never existed before?

ANet never really put a lot of thought into Fractals. It was an experiment that they’ve only now started to really think about and improve. You should consider all the time up to Fractured as Fractals Beta, and be glad that the wipe is only taking you back to 30, rather that to 1.

Now ANet IS supporting your struggle, and you should expect potentially better compensation for your efforts going forward. But no one cares about your efforts before, because they were your efforts for your reasons, and only you can reward yourself for that.

Resetting levels is not supportive.

You don’t have proof that it was not intended.

We HAVE proof that it was designed as an unlimited dungeon. Why would we night try to make it as far as possible?

If they didn’t intended to go past 50, why was there no hard cap at 50?

I’m sorry, but your asking questions and making assertions that have nothing to do with my post.

I used the word intention once in my post, and the intention I was talking about was compensation for people. They don’t intend to compensate you, because they don’t care about the efforts you put in.

You’re right, it was an “unlimited” dungeon. And you were free to do so. But they didn’t really support it, as indicated by the fact that they didn’t really reward it. Yes rewards were improved up to 50, but that was an algorithm, not an actual attempt by ANet to make it better, nor encourage anyone to do it. And there was no encouragement after 50, that was just people doing what they wanted.

I didn’t say they didn’t intend you do go past 50, I said they didn’t support it. They didn’t give you incentive, you gave that to yourself. They didn’t give you incentive to go even as far kitten, you gave that to yourself. They have no responsibility to compensate you for something you did on your own for your own reasons.

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

phys.7689:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

To all the Defender from Anet taking away my legit Progress what you think of this.

Update news: Skritt burglars arriving! They have a complete new currency the platinum from now on every item will be sold for platinum not for Gold!!therefor your Gold will be reseted to 30 Gold wich is the cost you Need to buy your new platinumtradingpostlicence. Reason is we want all Players to start on even ground!
•Asking to keep/convert your old Gold would be, in effect, gaining Money you didn’t earn.
•All you have lost is a meaningless number, which is visible only to you (and not even your group) Your gear is intact as is every reward you ever gained from your Gold with the exception of the total number aquired.
•Implementing a special snowflake reward as such is a terrible idea, and a slippery slope. Giving special “legacy” awards to farmers/Flippers and Tradingpostbotrunners opens up a whole can of worms regarding changed content "reimbursement

I in this case I could understand your Argument:)

your anaolgies are bad.

lets say they blow up Crucible of Eternity, a new dungen is made in its remains, they have a new story instance before you can get to new explorable, and new currency for the dungeon. Should you be able to skip the story mode, because you beat story mode in the old crucible? Should you be able to use your old tokens for the new items?

What they are destroying is old fractals.

Perhaps it would have been better if they had said the the old fractal machine blew up, and there is a new challenge in fractal machine deus.

I feel your entitled to something for beating fractal uno, (level 50) but it doesnt mean they should put fractal uno in the way of the new stuff, or should let you skip to the end of the new fractals.

Do you think they would delete your achievments tied to it? The achievments Tied to getting to 81 was the number of 81 .. they delete it would they delete the achievment you got in the old Coe? I don’t think so would they delete your Dungeon Tokkens ( in form of Progress) I don’t think so.. you can’t compare it anway since the Progress you have in fractals are not the tokkens it’s the Level the Progress you have in Dungeon is getting Dungeon tokkens

having to do the new story mode is the equivalent of losing your levels, though on a smaller scale
Using your old tokens to get new rewards is equivalent of you skipping to 40 and getting the infinite tonic.

on the topic of the tonic, is it going to be like the ascalonian one, you can actually fight as the charachter?

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Potion_of_Ascalonian_Mages

JMar.3254:

If they didn’t intended to go past 50, why was there no hard cap at 50?

Because they didn’t think someone would have been able to go over 50, probably. They did the same mistake with Tequatl later- they were convinced people would have taken weeks to beat him.
And it is a bad example to start with. You could say the same for every unintended behaviour.
Why make me jump on that boat if i am not permitted to skip half map?
Why make me salvage snowflake jewels if i can’t profit from an endless cycle of salvaging and recreating them.
Why make me put these karma weapons in the forge if i can’t do it continuosly and getting one hundred precursors.
And so on.

Also, they did add a cap later – in the form of a sure way of killing of the character who tries doing it.

But yeah, if they just capped the fractal selection to 50, there wouldn’t have been problems. And i wonder too why they didn’t directly do that.

Fafnir.5124:

If you know delete dudgeon tokens where coming you can turn them into ectos so not really equivalent.

Higher rewards across board rewards at new 30 probly better then 80 and you are still complaining just because of a number change.

not sure what you mean

Manuhell.2759:

And it is a bad example to start with. You could say the same for every unintended behaviour.

But they DID add a hard cap at 80. So why not add it at 50 if that was the true cap?

It’s like if they added an invisble wall to the boat skip on the right side, but not the left side.

You would assume that you could still jump on the boat on the left, just not on the right.

Kal Spiro.9745:

You’re right, it was an “unlimited” dungeon. And you were free to do so. But they didn’t really support it, as indicated by the fact that they didn’t really reward it. Yes rewards were improved up to 50, but that was an algorithm, not an actual attempt by ANet to make it better, nor encourage anyone to do it. And there was no encouragement after 50, that was just people doing what they wanted.

I didn’t say they didn’t intend you do go past 50, I said they didn’t support it. They didn’t give you incentive, you gave that to yourself. They didn’t give you incentive to go even as far kitten, you gave that to yourself. They have no responsibility to compensate you for something you did on your own for your own reasons.

This is not completly true.. and one of the main reasons I’m so kitten ed because of the discussion most of you guys have no clue what the Facts are:

- Dungeondesign levelscaling is: 80-81 for scale 0 -20 , 81-82 from scale 20-40 , 82-83 from scale 40-60, 83-84 from scale 60-80…
I was so excited to see Level 85 Mobs at 81 but they don’t exist! so the dungeon design stops at 80

- Rewarddesign: The Fractalrelics increase till a cap of 15 that’s true but this is no reason to believe there is a cap ( we assumed it’s just a cap to not get to much relics on higher scales) Still the Rewarddesign is designed from 0-80 with a what I and all other 80’s experienced 100% Chance to get an infused ring/ weapon ( normaly it was a weapon)

So it is clear by the design that Fractals are Designed till 80 don’t question it if you don’t know how the level’s up there are designed!

JMar.3254:

Kal Spiro.9745:

I’d say there is a pretty clear reason why ANet has not weighed in on this one. They have no interest, nor intention of doing anything about this.

People threw themselves against a wall for months for next to no benefit to themselves. They did it for a challenge. Ok, so if they did it for their own reasons, why should the be rewarded now by someone else. They did a difficult thing, that wasn’t specifically supported by ANet, for bragging rights. Why should ANet now give them recognition when that recognition never existed before?

ANet never really put a lot of thought into Fractals. It was an experiment that they’ve only now started to really think about and improve. You should consider all the time up to Fractured as Fractals Beta, and be glad that the wipe is only taking you back to 30, rather that to 1.

Now ANet IS supporting your struggle, and you should expect potentially better compensation for your efforts going forward. But no one cares about your efforts before, because they were your efforts for your reasons, and only you can reward yourself for that.

Resetting levels is not supportive.

You don’t have proof that it was not intended.

We HAVE proof that it was designed as an unlimited dungeon. Why would we night try to make it as far as possible?

If they didn’t intended to go past 50, why was there no hard cap at 50?

because they messed up, and werent sure how they were going to handle it, instead they focused on trying to patch the hole, and figured theyd do a full repair later. They couldnt say the players were wrong but they wanted to limit and prevent the problem from getting worse.

Unfortunately, their solution to a different problem provided a work around for the patchwork solution (thats the problem when you do patchwork solutions) after building, testing and reviewing (which takes a long time) this is their real solution, and they want to avoid the patchwork problems.

I still think the design isnt perfect though, and they arent solving all the problems with this new system, got to work on that suggestion

Manuhell.2759:

JMar.3254:

If they didn’t intended to go past 50, why was there no hard cap at 50?

Because they didn’t think someone would have been able to go over 50, probably. They did the same mistake with Tequatl later- they were convinced people would have taken weeks to beat him.
And it is a bad example to start with. You could say the same for every unintended behaviour.
Why make me jump on that boat if i am not permitted to skip half map?
Why make me salvage snowflake jewels if i can’t profit from an endless cycle of salvaging and recreating them.
Why make me put these karma weapons in the forge if i can’t do it continuosly and getting one hundred precursors.
And so on.

Also, they did add a cap later – in the form of a sure way of killing of the character who tries doing it.

But yeah, if they just capped the fractal selection to 50, there wouldn’t have been problems. And i wonder too why they didn’t directly do that.

This is not true they had surely track of everything if they have not have they had us who asked about the hardcap on 80: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Fractals-cap-80/page/2#post3233760

this was 2-3 Months Prior the Patch with a softcap on 40 in January. There is no way they haven’t known about it or a way to prevent from going over 50 they knew it and look up the gamedesign it was made to get to 80

not really cause the mechanics from 50-80 didn’t change at all. And you never had to think on your feet to new challeges like they wanted

JMar.3254:

Manuhell.2759:

And it is a bad example to start with. You could say the same for every unintended behaviour.

But they DID add a hard cap at 80. So why not add it at 50 if that was the true cap?

It’s like if they added an invisble wall to the boat skip on the right side, but not the left side.

You would assume that you could still jump on the boat on the left, just not on the right.

As i said in the same post, i can’t explain why they didn’t directly do it. It seemed like the simplest solution to me as well.
The only way that would explain such a choice is that they didn’t think it was necessary – and they were terribly wrong about that.
Still, considering they blocked any way to finish level 50 later on, i would say they didn’t want people to progress over it.
They should have resetted levels over 50 to that level when they did it, and why they didn’t, as above, is something that i can’t understand.

Imho, they changed their ideas midway – maybe they intended people to progress over time, but seeing it didn’t work they would put artificial caps and remove those over time – and decided to implement these instabilities some months ago, scrapping the whole current scaling in the process.

Manuhell.2759:

JMar.3254:

Manuhell.2759:

And it is a bad example to start with. You could say the same for every unintended behaviour.

But they DID add a hard cap at 80. So why not add it at 50 if that was the true cap?

It’s like if they added an invisble wall to the boat skip on the right side, but not the left side.

You would assume that you could still jump on the boat on the left, just not on the right.

As i said in the same post, i can’t explain why they didn’t directly do it. It seemed like the simplest solution to me as well.
The only way that would explain such a choice is that they didn’t think it was necessary – and they were terribly wrong about that.
Still, considering they blocked any way to finish level 50 later on, i would say they didn’t want people to progress over it.
They should have resetted levels over 50 to that level when they did it, and why they didn’t, as above, is something that i can’t understand.

Imho, they changed their ideas midway – maybe they intended people to progress over time, but seeing it didn’t work they would put artificial caps and remove those over time – and decided to implement these instabilities some months ago, scrapping the whole current scaling in the process.

It woulnd’t have made it better if they deleted my Progress back than … you just don’t delete a Players Progress even if you have a reason you Need to give him a equaly rare compensation. They did it with the QP reset they can do it no.. How can they not just come up with it with the realese notes.?

Unless the progress is equivalent in there eyes and they aren’t delting anything but a number. How much does fotm change from 30-50-80 mechanics wise

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

This is not true they had surely track of everything if they have not have they had us who asked about the hardcap on 80: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/dungeons/Fractals-cap-80/page/2#post3233760

this was 2-3 Months Prior the Patch with a softcap on 40 in January. There is no way they haven’t known about it or a way to prevent from going over 50 they knew it and look up the gamedesign it was made to get to 80

We engineers could have said the same about the trait Scope – that was broken since the start of the game. A lot of threads about non-working traits, and it was corrected only when it popped in a PvP discussion, a dev said it worked, and people showed him evidence it actually didn’t (and then they changed it completely, but that’s another matter).

Basically, i wouldn’t even be sure they were actually aware of that thread.
I agree that replying there from the beginning would have avoided a lot of problems.

Still, as things stand now, you can’t finish level 50. If they wanted people to progress over it, they wouldn’t have blocked players from finishing it.
Why they didn’t do anything about people who already progressed over it – like resetting them to 50, if they intended it to be the max level available at the time – i don’t know, and is something they should explain directly.

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

It woulnd’t have made it better if they deleted my Progress back than … you just don’t delete a Players Progress even if you have a reason you Need to give him a equaly rare compensation. They did it with the QP reset they can do it no.. How can they not just come up with it with the realese notes.?

About that, i already replied before.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/fractured/Compensation-for-getting-reset-to-level-30/3244761

People think fotm is a equally stack cake difficulty wise. Where Anet wants to make it a reverse layered cake where each new layer ads a new level of exponential increasing difficulty. Which is why we got to wait and see for the release. I’m on the opinion 80s will be happy with rewards they get at new 30 and that other people who did much less work are being placed there also.

Manuhell.2759:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

It woulnd’t have made it better if they deleted my Progress back than … you just don’t delete a Players Progress even if you have a reason you Need to give him a equaly rare compensation. They did it with the QP reset they can do it no.. How can they not just come up with it with the realese notes.?

About that, i already replied before.
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/fractured/Compensation-for-getting-reset-to-level-30/3244761

Well only because they don’t announce it as a competition doens’t mean there was no competition. In fact there was a great competition it was just a competition not everybody saw. They should have announced it at least with the patchnotes… but besides about the Thing with the twinks I wrote it somwhere but can’t find it. You can just make the titles soulbound so only characters who have that Level get the title:)

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

Well only because they don’t announce it as a competition doens’t mean there was no competition. In fact there was a great competition it was just a competition not everybody saw. They should have announced it at least with the patchnotes… but besides about the Thing with the twinks I wrote it somwhere but can’t find it. You can just make the titles soulbound so only characters who have that Level get the title:)

Ehr, the post you’re mentioning is the post i was replying with with the post i linked above.

We’re entering in an infinite cycle.

Anyway, they probably didn’t intend for it to be a competition at the time. Exactly as people’s CoF speedruns or such things aren’t intended competitions – yet still happens.
Now they are adding leaderboards – so now they intend to make it into a competition, albeit using a completely different system (and that’s why they are resetting levels, at least according to their explanation).

So, well, they’re deleting something they didn’t mean as a competition and putting something they mean as a competition in its place.

@manu

how can it be considered a competition if some start at 30 and some start at 0?
so the competition part doesn’t seem to be honest.. otherwise they would have reseted all to 0…

this would have been better for me since I would have understood it at least and I would have had more Support from all 0-30 guys that don’t care now:)

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

@manu

how can it be considered a competition if some start at 30 and some start at 0?
so the competition part doesn’t seem to be honest.. otherwise they would have reseted all to 0…

this would have been better for me since I would have understood it at least and I would have had more Support from all 0-30 guys that don’t care now:)

Dunno. We don’t have any information about the leaderboard, we just know there will be one.
Maybe it will take in account completition times of the single levels (since it would seem every single one of them over level 30 will have a different instability). Thus level 0-30 wouldn’t even matter for the competition.

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

@manu

how can it be considered a competition if some start at 30 and some start at 0?
so the competition part doesn’t seem to be honest.. otherwise they would have reseted all to 0…

this would have been better for me since I would have understood it at least and I would have had more Support from all 0-30 guys that don’t care now:)

Um, because the people starting at 0 are new? Really? It’s a competition with the people who were already competing because they do still feel bad for taking away your levels.

Would you prefer they take away all your levels and make you start from level 1 all over again? Really?

You’re just arguing to argue at this point.

Kal Spiro.9745:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

@manu

how can it be considered a competition if some start at 30 and some start at 0?
so the competition part doesn’t seem to be honest.. otherwise they would have reseted all to 0…

this would have been better for me since I would have understood it at least and I would have had more Support from all 0-30 guys that don’t care now:)

Um, because the people starting at 0 are new? Really? It’s a competition with the people who were already competing because they do still feel bad for taking away your levels.

Would you prefer they take away all your levels and make you start from level 1 all over again? Really?

You’re just arguing to argue at this point.

It’s just a Thing that makes the competition Argument invalid.

@manu if this was your Argument how the competition works than the Argument to take us away our scale 81 is invalid because it doens’t matter for the competition

you understand my Point?

Anet has stated reset is due to leaderboards so people start equal.

This being the case, then all levels should be reverted to 1.

More people would be upset. Because YOU aren’t affected, you are calling us entitled. This community has gotten worse and worse because Anet continues to drive away the people who care.

This update enhances my point.

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

@manu if this was your Argument how the competition works than the Argument to take us away our scale 81 is invalid because it doens’t matter for the competition

you understand my Point?

As i said, this is only my idea – we should see how the leaderboard will work.
Still, if there is no level 81 – it stops at 50 now – surely they can’t leave you at a level that isn’t there anymore.
And probably they decided to reset to 30 cause the competitive aspect starts there, so whoever is below 30 will have to work to get to 30, and who was at least 30 can begin the competitive part.
And they probably didn’t see the fractals we had previously as a competition – officially it wasn’t one after all, whileas they’re recognizing the new fractal model as a competition and putting leaderboards.
But, again, these are just suppositions. Until they reveal how those leaderboards will work, we won’t even be able to understand the reason behind them.

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

they could go a simple way as they did when they offended the pvp community with the QP affaire… just give titles now you may ask how would they give it fair: I’d say everyone is ok if they get titles for every new 10 lvls they achieved so for 40, 50, 60, 70,80 .. Now ppl may come and say it’s not alt friendly … easy solution make the titles Souldbound… only My ele can use the lvl 80 fractal legend nobody else… if they have multiple chars they can use it only on the char they aquired the old Level… it would be so easy… I’m not a designer and can come up with this idea in few seconds.

So you think you should be entitled to skip the challenging content of Fractals 2.0 because you did well in Fractals 1.0?

VOLKON.1290:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

they could go a simple way as they did when they offended the pvp community with the QP affaire… just give titles now you may ask how would they give it fair: I’d say everyone is ok if they get titles for every new 10 lvls they achieved so for 40, 50, 60, 70,80 .. Now ppl may come and say it’s not alt friendly … easy solution make the titles Souldbound… only My ele can use the lvl 80 fractal legend nobody else… if they have multiple chars they can use it only on the char they aquired the old Level… it would be so easy… I’m not a designer and can come up with this idea in few seconds.

So you think you should be entitled to skip the challenging content of Fractals 2.0 because you did well in Fractals 1.0?

I wouldn’t skip any Levels I would get my titles and that’s it? did you even read the post this time? I want compensation for my old fractal since they will steal it

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

VOLKON.1290:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

they could go a simple way as they did when they offended the pvp community with the QP affaire… just give titles now you may ask how would they give it fair: I’d say everyone is ok if they get titles for every new 10 lvls they achieved so for 40, 50, 60, 70,80 .. Now ppl may come and say it’s not alt friendly … easy solution make the titles Souldbound… only My ele can use the lvl 80 fractal legend nobody else… if they have multiple chars they can use it only on the char they aquired the old Level… it would be so easy… I’m not a designer and can come up with this idea in few seconds.

So you think you should be entitled to skip the challenging content of Fractals 2.0 because you did well in Fractals 1.0?

I wouldn’t skip any Levels I would get my titles and that’s it? did you even read the post this time? I want compensation for my old fractal since they will steal it

They’re not stealing anything, just changing the content. But I’m fully on board with giving titles for what people accomplished in the old system.

Manuhell.2759:

Patrikan Habaton.2548:

@manu if this was your Argument how the competition works than the Argument to take us away our scale 81 is invalid because it doens’t matter for the competition

you understand my Point?

As i said, this is only my idea – we should see how the leaderboard will work.
Still, if there is no level 81 – it stops at 50 now – surely they can’t leave you at a level that isn’t there anymore.
And probably they decided to reset to 30 cause the competitive aspect starts there, so whoever is below 30 will have to work to get to 30, and who was at least 30 can begin the competitive part.
And they probably didn’t see the fractals we had previously as a competition – officially it wasn’t one after all, whileas they’re recognizing the new fractal model as a competition and putting leaderboards.
But, again, these are just suppositions. Until they reveal how those leaderboards will work, we won’t even be able to understand the reason behind them.

They’re dropping everyone to 30 because it’s the first level that these people completed that still exists in the current mechanics. All levels past 30 have new mechanics and are therefore not the same levels they have completed before. They can’t leave them higher than 30 because those levels will no longer exist as they currently are.

I feel the need to bring this back up because I am curious to see what people think of the update.

1) I am disappointed that Arena net completely ignored the issue and didn’t even give a reason as to why they chose not to give any sort of compensation.

2) The meta achievement’s reward is completely pathetic – items that most of us already have pleny of in the bank.

3) The only fun thing with the new Asura fractal was the final boss fight. Oh and then a Scarlet appears..

4) I leveled to 33 last night. It was super easy, easier than former 30s, the instabilities were ridiculous (although the Mossman chase was quite funny) and by no means justify setting people back just to play them.

5) The new armors in the gem store – I am not even going to comment on the tiresome fire effects. A hideous medium armor, an even more hideous heavy armor. And then the human Tier 3. Thanks Arena net, first you took away my fractal progress, now I find out I spend 120 g on armor for my Elementalist for nothing.

We’re getting compensated with “fun” bugs and leaderboard that makes no sense.

IceVyper.6810:

Up until now, the highest measure of skill in this game has been being able to solo Lupi or do fractals lvl 80. The most hardcore guilds use this as a requirement for recruitment.

kitten, that’s some uber elitism right there. I had to laugh a bit if these guilds actually do exist.

Yes they do exist.

I am not aware of any guild that has/had requirement of fractal level 80. I am also not aware how having a requirement is now an example of elitism. I would strongly recommend to check up its definition.

kitten, these days dodging is elitism, bearbows for everyone.

Well, rT requires some strong demonstration of skills. Examples being soloing Lupi or mobs in high level fractals. When Sanderinoa will post, you’ll see the actual requirements in his sig

Granted the requirement is not being able to solo Lupicus, but I’d bet this is the most commonly met.

Good to know that heaven of elitism exists.