Guild Wars 2

Gandarel.5091:

I wrote it because you wrote that most of Cantha could be underwater because of the rising of Orr, just because the Battle Isles were flooded and you tought Cantha is so close to those isles that the same happened.. And you are wrong. Very, very wrong.

Okay?

Okay~

The Battle Isles are a huge distance from Orr, yet they’re still completely underwater. Distance didn’t save the Battle Isles.

The Battle Isles are closer to Cantha then the other continents. In game dialogue drops hints to a flooded Cantha.

But maybe you’d make a better point if you provided a map or something.

http://wiki.guildwars.com/images/a/a2/Tyria_world_fan_map_%28freestyle%29.jpg
http://huntersinsight.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/map-of-tyria.gif

Shing Jea Island is probably gone. Most of Kaineng and some of the northern parts of the Echovald Forest and the Jade Sea are probably gone.

Istan is probably gone. Gandara and a good bit of the Kourna coast is probably all underwater. Vabbi and all of the Desolation are almost completely unscathed.

The Crystal Desert is mostly unscathed.

How the heck Fire Island Chain is still there at all, I have no idea. Though it is a chain of volcanoes.

Maybe it got really active out there and made itself come back out the water over the years. /shrug

http://huntersinsight.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/planettyria.jpg

Thisis the accurate map. Maybe 20% of Shing Jea is flooded but nothing more, instead got a landbridge to the main continent.

But yeah, on another version the battle isles was shown much farther from Cantha.

Gandarel.5091:

http://huntersinsight.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/planettyria.jpg

Thisis the accurate map. Maybe 20% of Shing Jea is flooded but nothing more, instead got a landbridge to the main continent.

But yeah, on another version the battle isles was shown much farther from Cantha.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_Movement_of_the_World

So, it’s a mostly accurate map/globe then.

Mine is from a known time. Yours takes liberty to what’s going on out where we can’t see. Ergo, assumptions. Your guess isn’t any better then mine.

Both our sources come from the games. We don’t know what’s happening out there at present or what it actually looks like with any certainty.

That said, it really is an amazing map. The Order of Whispers did some impressive work there. Anet created a fascinating world.

Snooping around I found some of these awesome renders of the globe and the map.

http://i.imgur.com/EaotU.png
http://i.imgur.com/R40p6.jpg

Very cool. Tyria is a biiig place. Definitely more landmass or else a bigger planet as whole then the real world.

CETheLucid.3964:

Gandarel.5091:

http://huntersinsight.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/planettyria.jpg

Thisis the accurate map. Maybe 20% of Shing Jea is flooded but nothing more, instead got a landbridge to the main continent.

But yeah, on another version the battle isles was shown much farther from Cantha.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_Movement_of_the_World

So, it’s a mostly accurate map/globe then.

Mine is from a known time. Yours takes liberty to what’s going on out where we can’t see. Ergo, assumptions. Your guess isn’t any better then mine.

Both our sources come from the games. We don’t know what’s happening out there at present or what it actually looks like with any certainty.

That said, it really is an amazing map. The Order of Whispers did some impressive work there. Anet created a fascinating world.

Snooping around I found some of these awesome renders of the globe and the map.

http://i.imgur.com/EaotU.png
http://i.imgur.com/R40p6.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nxP16KxWk0

Very cool. Tyria is a biiig place. Definitely more landmass or else a bigger planet as whole then the real world.

Mine is not a guess, it is in the GW2 data. Official enough.

CETheLucid.3964:

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_Movement_of_the_World

Which clearly states that Cantha is cut off from the rest, not that is was sunken. It also states that occasionally Canthan sailors make it to maguuma’s southern shores.

CETheLucid.3964:

Gandarel.5091:

http://huntersinsight.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/planettyria.jpg

Thisis the accurate map. Maybe 20% of Shing Jea is flooded but nothing more, instead got a landbridge to the main continent.

But yeah, on another version the battle isles was shown much farther from Cantha.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/The_Movement_of_the_World

So, it’s a mostly accurate map/globe then.

Mine is from a known time. Yours takes liberty to what’s going on out where we can’t see. Ergo, assumptions. Your guess isn’t any better then mine.

Both our sources come from the games. We don’t know what’s happening out there at present or what it actually looks like with any certainty.

That said, it really is an amazing map. The Order of Whispers did some impressive work there. Anet created a fascinating world.

Snooping around I found some of these awesome renders of the globe and the map.

http://i.imgur.com/EaotU.png
http://i.imgur.com/R40p6.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nxP16KxWk0

Very cool. Tyria is a biiig place. Definitely more landmass or else a bigger planet as whole then the real world.

I feel the oppsoite, the world and its polulation is a miniature. I cant speed run from one end of europe to the other in one hour or two, i can traverse tyria in that time on foot. Of course they have to make it a miniature game play wise. The only real “city” like city was kaineng. Divinity’s reach is sorta on the way there as far as medieval fantasy go.

frans.8092:

Andele.1306:

Both dwarves and dredge were isolate from all other species for hundreds of years *only getting seeing some travelers from time to time,

During – and before – the time of GW1 the Deldrimor Dwarves were allied with Ascalon and what we see from them doesn’t appear ‘isolated’ at all. The dredge in the Shiverspeaks were enslaved by the Stone Summit, not quite isolated. Not sure how much dealings these dredge had with others, or their cousins in Cantha. Either way, the Tyrian dredge had intimate knowledge of the dwarves in the Shiverspeaks, and presumably their technology.

Check again, Jalis himself said when you come with Rurik to them that they are the first actual human dwarf interaction that isnt ore trade/causal greeting cough raid on the roads of the shiverpeaks (thus also seeing a chance to forge a alliance/exploit the humans to kick the Deldrimor dwares butts). The Canthan dredge got exterminated/vanquished (by us and our Kurzick friends/rivals if you remember it right) and for the tyrian dredge not to be isolated is like saying that the jews in ancient egypt werent isolated, yes ok they did share the same geographical space but except for some harsh whipping they were still isolated and they still didnt stagnate in terms of evolution, in fact their whole sonic engine trick they are using for everything is far away from dwarwen brewing machines.

Gandarel.5091:

Mine is not a guess, it is in the GW2 data. Official enough.

I didn’t say your map wasn’t official.

I do see a contradiction that brings the data used to make the globe into question per the Movement of The World.

It’s not 100% accurate. There is a glaring flaw. So you have no solid foundation to assert your statements. You have a very imperfect (albeit impressive) globe/map.

So your guess as to the current state of Cantha, even based on this map, is only that.

frans.8092:

Which clearly states that Cantha is cut off from the rest, not that is was sunken. It also states that occasionally Canthan sailors make it to maguuma’s southern shores.

Okay. I did not say Cantha was gone.

I did say it is (probably) there. Based on what’s come up, I can almost be certain it’s there. In what state, we do not know.

But, I believe we digress… quite a bit. We should really get back on topic.
_

If you want to know how I feel about the charr from a human perspective in detail, you can read my postings in this thread here from page 2 onward:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/races/human/Do-you-feel-bad-for-the-Ghosts-of-Ascalon/page/2

As a human, i hate everyone...

CETheLucid.3964:

Gandarel.5091:

Mine is not a guess, it is in the GW2 data. Official enough.

I didn’t say your map wasn’t official.

I do see a contradiction that brings the data used to make the globe into question per the Movement of The World.

It’s not 100% accurate. There is a glaring flaw. So you have no solid foundation to assert your statements. You have a very imperfect (albeit impressive) globe/map.

So your guess as to the current state of Cantha, even based on this map, is only that.

frans.8092:

Which clearly states that Cantha is cut off from the rest, not that is was sunken. It also states that occasionally Canthan sailors make it to maguuma’s southern shores.

Okay. I did not say Cantha was gone.

I did say it is (probably) there. Based on what’s come up, I can almost be certain it’s there. In what state, we do not know.

But, I believe we digress… quite a bit. We should really get back on topic.
_

If you want to know how I feel about the charr from a human perspective in detail, you can read my postings in this thread here from page 2 onward:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/races/human/Do-you-feel-bad-for-the-Ghosts-of-Ascalon/page/2

Btw that’s King Adelbern. Not adelburn. You had this typo like 50 times

Gandarel.5091:

Btw that’s King Adelbern. Not adelburn. You had this typo like 50 times

Oops ~

Gandarel.5091:

CETheLucid.3964:

Gandarel.5091:

Mine is not a guess, it is in the GW2 data. Official enough.

I didn’t say your map wasn’t official.

I do see a contradiction that brings the data used to make the globe into question per the Movement of The World.

It’s not 100% accurate. There is a glaring flaw. So you have no solid foundation to assert your statements. You have a very imperfect (albeit impressive) globe/map.

So your guess as to the current state of Cantha, even based on this map, is only that.

frans.8092:

Which clearly states that Cantha is cut off from the rest, not that is was sunken. It also states that occasionally Canthan sailors make it to maguuma’s southern shores.

Okay. I did not say Cantha was gone.

I did say it is (probably) there. Based on what’s come up, I can almost be certain it’s there. In what state, we do not know.

But, I believe we digress… quite a bit. We should really get back on topic.
_

If you want to know how I feel about the charr from a human perspective in detail, you can read my postings in this thread here from page 2 onward:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/races/human/Do-you-feel-bad-for-the-Ghosts-of-Ascalon/page/2

Btw that’s King Adelbern. Not adelburn. You had this typo like 50 times

Maybe been playing charr for too long? ;P

Its like how blood legion soldiers sounds like a list of butchering details.

Andele.1306:

Check again, Jalis himself said when you come with Rurik to them that they are the first actual human dwarf interaction that isnt ore trade/causal greeting cough raid on the roads of the shiverpeaks (thus also seeing a chance to forge a alliance/exploit the humans to kick the Deldrimor dwares butts).

The part I remember is where he, or his brother, says something about honouring old alliances. This indicates there were long lasting alliances between dwarves and humans at the time of the Flameseeker Prophecies.

The Canthan dredge got exterminated/vanquished (by us and our Kurzick friends/rivals if you remember it right)

Pretty sure you’ll find some more when you go back. Just like you didn’t drive the Charr from their strongholds permanently (doing so would have given the conflict quite a different direction)

… and for the tyrian dredge not to be isolated is like saying that the jews in ancient egypt werent isolated,

They were enslaved by the Stone Summit, working for them implies they had access to dwarven tools and technology.

yes ok they did share the same geographical space but except for some harsh whipping they were still isolated and they still didnt stagnate in terms of evolution, in fact their whole sonic engine trick they are using for everything is far away from dwarwen brewing machines.

Evolution is an entirely different beast, which plays no part over the few generations between Prophecies and GW2. That aside, dwarves had more the just brewing machines – they had gunpowder, or something similar, which we used as ‘Powder Kegs’ to blow up stuff – and while I am sure the Dredge had their own ideas and developed their own unique tech, one can assume they had access to more dwarf knowledge then the Priory.

Frans, about the canthan dredge and “driving the charrs from their strongholds”: charrs had no strongholds. nor buildings. Nomadic savages.

And the dredge weren’t driven out, they’ve been vanquished by the Dragon Empire just like all non-human races, and forcing the Tengu to flee the land.

Gandarel.5091:

Frans, about the canthan dredge and “driving the charrs from their strongholds”: charrs had no strongholds. nor buildings. Nomadic savages.

And the dredge weren’t driven out, they’ve been vanquished by the Dragon Empire just like all non-human races, and forcing the Tengu to flee the land.

He said ‘by us’ (and Kurzicks) so he I don’t assume he was referring to the Dragon Empire. When we were there were lots of them and they seemed to re-appear as fast as we got rid of them…

There is at least one Charr stronghold, even when not build from stone, and a large camp that you must take during Eye of the North,
Assault on the Stronghold and the camp in Grothmar Wardowns
There’s also a stronghold in Sacnoth Valley that you can wipe just for good sport.

frans.8092:

Gandarel.5091:

Frans, about the canthan dredge and “driving the charrs from their strongholds”: charrs had no strongholds. nor buildings. Nomadic savages.

And the dredge weren’t driven out, they’ve been vanquished by the Dragon Empire just like all non-human races, and forcing the Tengu to flee the land.

He said ‘by us’ (and Kurzicks) so he I don’t assume he was referring to the Dragon Empire. When we were there were lots of them and they seemed to re-appear as fast as we got rid of them…

There is at least one Charr stronghold, even when not build from stone, and a large camp that you must take during Eye of the North,
Assault on the Stronghold and the camp in Grothmar Wardowns
There’s also a stronghold in Sacnoth Valley that you can wipe just for good sport.

Well, wouldn’t say it is a frostress made out of earth and stones, because ppl would think of an actual fort, it’s just a hill btw :P

@frans.8092
Vanquishing is canon, gameplay segregation from story isnt, by that logic Jormag has 10000000000 claws, there are just as many shatterers, zhaitan would have never died, Dhuum broke free every 3 minutes, Orr sank and rose at the same second, Khilbron was both a lich on the fire chain and your ally vs the white mantle at the same time and somehow you could bribe your way in and out of FoW.

Powder kegs being “tech” is equivalent to saying Grawl sticks are morningstars or hammers.
The only real tech the dwarves had was in their brew. Everyone already used cannons and explosive powder, even charr shammys, heck their effigies despite being driven on magic as fuel are more advanced than anything dwarf created.

Both the kuzicks and the luxons were and probably still are, if they exist, under direct jurisdiction of the Empire of the Dragon, each holding their territorial control and internal wars. Difference is only in that the dredge were on kuzick controlled lands.

As for charr it really doesnt matter, they did have citadels, they did have outposts, but they were mostly savage (not by choice but flame magic trough, kinda like what humans would nowdays say about the humans of the dark ages, nice fort but cannot be compared to a military base, still human but no table manners).

Andele.1306:

As for charr it really doesnt matter, they did have citadels, they did have outposts, but they were mostly savage (not by choice but flame magic trough, kinda like what humans would nowdays say about the humans of the dark ages, nice fort but cannot be compared to a military base, still human but no table manners).

This. We have no idea if they were nomadic or not. We only know they didn’t build any structures that could last a millennia and a half without upkeep. Given their stone age technology in GW1, it’s no surprise any possible buildings wouldn’t last that long. Especially since the wooden forts the first settlers built in the U.S.A. haven’t managed to last 250 years, on their own.

Andele.1306:

@frans.8092
Vanquishing is canon, gameplay segregation from story isnt,

You’re mixing up things, story is canon, gameplay is not, never has been. You defeat the Lich, you don’t wipe the Fire Islands, nor Kryta. You defeat the Titans once during the Titan quests and they are quests specifically for that reason, or they’d be made part of the scenery, like the WiK enforcers.

By your logic the Battle for Lion’s Arch would never take place because there wouldn’t be anyone left to storm it after vanquishing Kryta. Neither should the Charr be present in Ascalon during and after the events of Eye of the North. But they are.

Vanquishing is not canon.

by that logic Jormag has 10000000000 claws, there are just as many shatterers, zhaitan would have never died, …

Now you are mixing stories of different players, which is absurd and not part of my argument.

Powder kegs being “tech” is equivalent to saying Grawl sticks are morningstars or hammers. The only real tech the dwarves had was in their brew.

Gunpowder, amongst others, was a significant discovery/invention that ended an era. The dwarves had plenty of plenty of ‘tech’ (you can see their machines) especially regarding mining, a field of interest and expertise they share with the Dredge.

… Everyone already used cannons and explosive powder, even charr shammys,

Charr at that time didn’t use gunpowder, and iirc certainly not canons. But you’re welcome to provide exampkitten

th the kuzicks and the luxons were and probably still are, if they exist, under direct jurisdiction of the Empire of the Dragon, each holding their territorial control and internal wars. Difference is only in that the dredge were on kuzick controlled lands.

So? The empire didn’t have enough control to end the feud between the Kurzicks and the Luxon’s. I think it’s stated in game that the emperor didn’t have much control at all.

As for charr it really doesnt matter, they did have citadels, they did have outposts, but they were mostly savage …

Every thing they build, or at least what we see of it, was build primarily with wood. Which Charr places in GW1 do you consider as citadels?

Kurzicks and Luxons no longer wage war against each other, the Emperor spent millions in gold on forcing them back to a united empire, and vanquished all non-humans. Possibly, if you go to the Jade See, you would meet luxons, but they are now part of an empire, along with the kurzicks, so no longer fight each other.

frans.8092
1 & 2 no thats just you since i know that i kill shatterer and CoJ almost every day for about 8 months already

3 As stated before their brewery was their biggest achivement, just as for the norn their smithing.

4 http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Charr_Effigy, http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Siege_Devourer_%28NPC%29 and http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Charr_Explosive

5 Both the kuz and lux were on the edge of being forgotten/dissolved already when Factions starts, it was shiros chaos that got them temporary power that ends pretty much instanty when shiro gets his kitten kicked by 8 kitten -kitten -ins; also they were both technically loyal to the emperor even then just as every human under a faction (what bandits aint) are to QJ and her idiotic political circles.

6 Uhhh, every flame temple in ascalon, also the citadel of flames (yes it did exist in the original GW, but since it looks nothing like the current in terms of textures/amount of lava and i barely remembered it was actually called like that i dont blame you if you forgot about it), the more you go to the north the more you get of actual charr achitecture and not branches that make a tower that was made in like half a week as a temporary outpost while attacking humans, i mean even right now most outposts are a tent and maybe a cannon, while stuff around the BC are actual forts/villages.

Andele.1306:

frans.8092
1 & 2 no thats just you since i know that i kill shatterer and CoJ almost every day for about 8 months already

Just me? Then it’s just me who feels story = canon and gameplay <> canon. Whatever.

3 As stated before their brewery was their biggest achivement, just as for the norn their smithing.

Sure. Keep to your own ideas.

4 http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Charr_Effigy, http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Siege_Devourer_%28NPC%29 and http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Charr_Explosive

Not sure what the effigy has to do with gunpowder, the crystals are just that, magic crystals, but I can see where you associate gunpowder with the siege weapons. The dwarves had them in Prophecies though and they were in GvG maps. I don’t remember if they visible/used pre-searing.

5 Both the kuz and lux were on the edge of being forgotten/dissolved already when Factions starts, it was shiros chaos that got them temporary power that ends pretty much instanty when shiro gets his kitten kicked by 8 kitten -kitten -ins; also they were both technically loyal to the emperor even then just as every human under a faction (what bandits aint) are to QJ and her idiotic political circles.

Together they controlled the bigger part of Cantha’s main island. I don’t remember if it was stated explicitly or that it was just my interpretation, but I feel my interpretation is supported by the wik article on Canths

“The Empire of the Dragon is the sole human nation on the southern continent and it shares its second name with the continent it was founded on. Despite the Kurzicks and Luxons being vassals of the empire, the two factions are hardly bothered by the empire and its demands. The Empire of the Dragon is currently the oldest known human nation.”

and

“Life has returned to normal for most Canthan residents. Kaineng still struggles under the burdens of bureaucracy, overpopulation, and crime, while the Kurzicks and Luxons remain locked in a never-ending battle over scant resources. Shing Jea Island remains an oasis of pristine valleys and beautiful vistas. Monks come to the island regularly for scholarly pursuits, while the general populace descends in droves for every festival held within the safe confines of Shing Jea Monastery.”

6 Uhhh, every flame temple in ascalon, also the citadel of flames

Yeah, that one is puzzling, it looks like the catacombs under ascalon, and the ones you travel through from the chasm near Lion’s Arch. If the Charr build them, why is it so similar to the others and if the humans build them, how come they managed to build it so far north?
Oddly enough it’s the only place where you find specific artefacts from Rin and Diessa and both of the two possible explanations raise more questions then they answer, (1) if the charr took them from Rin and Diessa and collected them there, the question is why and why only there, and (2) if the charr found them in the CoF, why were they there, and only there?
The temples in Old-Ascalon looked like they were build on existing ones, or ruins. I’d have to go back though, I never really studied them.

the more you go to the north the more you get of actual charr achitecture and not branches that make a tower that was made in like half a week as a temporary outpost while attacking humans, i mean even right now most outposts are a tent and maybe a cannon, while stuff around the BC are actual forts/villages.

The Black Citadel is GW2, as are the cattle farms, and the other buildings. And most of the Charr lands we have access to in GW2 used to be Ascalon once.

Even the kodan refugee camp in the northwestern corner of Ascalon has human ruins in the lake.

Not to be rude but it’s just a game. Why would I hate something that’s not even real?