Guild Wars 2

Static.9841:

I think you’re having a very difficult time grasping the content of this thread or your ill concieved posts. You and other farmers want to claim ownership over a single arena, when it doesn’t got the way you want it to, harassement and verbal abuse ensues because your overwhelming sense of self entitlement takes over because you think you’re being inconvenienced.

As I said before, I don’t think you are on the same wavelength of this world.

No single player has any ownership over anything in this game save for their own home instance, their personal bank and items and custom PvP arenas that they have paid for. Everything else is shared content, and it would seem you and many others need to refamiliarise yourselves with what shared actually means.

And perhaps you need to realize that no one can take anything away from you. No farmer can prevent you from getting your achievements. So what exactly are you complaining about?

Notice that you couldn’t give a single actual scenario of how farming was hindering other people from getting their achievements. Ergo, fail.

bhagwad.4281:

Static.9841:

I think you’re having a very difficult time grasping the content of this thread or your ill concieved posts. You and other farmers want to claim ownership over a single arena, when it doesn’t got the way you want it to, harassement and verbal abuse ensues because your overwhelming sense of self entitlement takes over because you think you’re being inconvenienced.

As I said before, I don’t think you are on the same wavelength of this world.

No single player has any ownership over anything in this game save for their own home instance, their personal bank and items and custom PvP arenas that they have paid for. Everything else is shared content, and it would seem you and many others need to refamiliarise yourselves with what shared actually means.

And perhaps you need to realize that no one can take anything away from you. No farmer can prevent you from getting your achievements. So what exactly are you complaining about?

Notice that you couldn’t give a single actual scenario of how farming was hindering other people from getting their achievements. Ergo, fail.

He means the fact that they try… , and some use abussive language in the process.

Funny, before the patch Orr was completely deserted, now people farm with zergs and other QQ-ers get kitten ed for no reason. Meanwhile, Queen’s Gauntlet gets players that are ‘’hindered by players’’ because they want to farm by themselves and want a ’’fix’’ for that. Lol, the irony.

My opinion on the farmers within the gauntlet (coming from a 7 and deadeye farmer myself) is this, the ones trying to level through the gaunlet and play it for the original purpose of the achievements etc. have priority over farmers. If you want to farm the gaunlet, then you should be the one to up and leave an arena that is too slow for your liking. It is quite easy to guest or run around to find a less populated or open arena.

In my experience when a newer player comes up and queues, I will more often then not add my input to help them with the fight, que up my gambits and deadeye etc. If they die then I would res them and politely ask to go next and wish them luck. Not once has a player refused and ran straight to the ringmaster.

After that run I can decide to find another arena on that server, or guest around. I do not think it fair to optomize the arena, excluding or treating newer players to the content disrespectfully.

This is probably the first content released with this kind of issue.
It was pretty obvious that other players were going to be an hindrance, and no just for farmers. Regular players just trying to beat the gauntlet aren’t going to be happy with a 5 man queue.

As a farmer myself I try to play at low population schedules and I look always for an empty/underused arena. So yes, other players are absolutely an hindrance for me.
I understand, however, that there’s more people than me wanting to use the arenas, and they have the rights to do so even if they lose on quaggan by timeover (which I agree is annoying as hell when you’re waiting your turn).
If I can have my own arena, that’s perfect; if not, it’s up to me to leave and stop farming or stay there and wait for my turn.
If I’m not alone I try to be polite, rez people, give tips, explain builds or give whatever help I can, but I can absolutely understand people not doing it and I don’t think it’s their fault to do so. Ohter people are naturally an hindrance, so this kind of behaviour should be expected.

About how much extra people hinders the farming, I’m also pretty sure that ANet expected multiple players on queues when the rewards were adjusted; so technically this wouldn’t be about other people hindering the farm, but the absence of them (the unexpected case) boosting it to insane numbers.

Zhavari.7190:

Slanderous.2586:

I find it hilariously sad that one would subject themselves to such levels of boredom for something as simple as game gold. If you’re that desperate for game gold… buy it. In other words, get a job.

According to GW2 Spidy, currently it costs $0.55 for 1g.

If you can farm gold at 20g/hour, you’d need to find a job that pays more than $11/hour net pay in order to make it worthwhile. Minimum wage right now is $7.25/hour gross pay.

Assuming a vaccuum where you have the choice between working a job for gold or farming for gold, farming the arena is actually the more efficient method unless you can make the breakpoint salary.

Also, don’t take this as me defending the OP. (S)He’s a jerk like the rest of the farmers who yell at people to “stop ruining my area”.

I understand your point, and happen to make well over 11 dollars an hour as base wages, plus overtime, so I also understand it’s a bias on my part regarding that. What I don’t understand is if one needs to farm the gauntlet in order to obtain gold because it’s the only viable way to do it while reaching a maximum amount of profit, why would they take precious time away to complain about it on a forum. Bad business sense all around. Find a better job, or farm more effectively. Complaining one way or the other about unfair economies or the stress of having to wait for a queue confounds me.

Slanderous.2586:

Zhavari.7190:

Slanderous.2586:

I find it hilariously sad that one would subject themselves to such levels of boredom for something as simple as game gold. If you’re that desperate for game gold… buy it. In other words, get a job.

According to GW2 Spidy, currently it costs $0.55 for 1g.

If you can farm gold at 20g/hour, you’d need to find a job that pays more than $11/hour net pay in order to make it worthwhile. Minimum wage right now is $7.25/hour gross pay.

Assuming a vaccuum where you have the choice between working a job for gold or farming for gold, farming the arena is actually the more efficient method unless you can make the breakpoint salary.

Also, don’t take this as me defending the OP. (S)He’s a jerk like the rest of the farmers who yell at people to “stop ruining my area”.

I understand your point, and happen to make well over 11 dollars an hour as base wages, plus overtime, so I also understand it’s a bias on my part regarding that. What I don’t understand is if one needs to farm the gauntlet in order to obtain gold because it’s the only viable way to do it while reaching a maximum amount of profit, why would they take precious time away to complain about it on a forum. Bad business sense all around. Find a better job, or farm more effectively. Complaining one way or the other about unfair economies or the stress of having to wait for a queue confounds me.

We get bored.

Farmers are people too you know

Slanderous.2586:

Zhavari.7190:

Slanderous.2586:

I find it hilariously sad that one would subject themselves to such levels of boredom for something as simple as game gold. If you’re that desperate for game gold… buy it. In other words, get a job.

According to GW2 Spidy, currently it costs $0.55 for 1g.

If you can farm gold at 20g/hour, you’d need to find a job that pays more than $11/hour net pay in order to make it worthwhile. Minimum wage right now is $7.25/hour gross pay.

Assuming a vaccuum where you have the choice between working a job for gold or farming for gold, farming the arena is actually the more efficient method unless you can make the breakpoint salary.

Also, don’t take this as me defending the OP. (S)He’s a jerk like the rest of the farmers who yell at people to “stop ruining my area”.

I understand your point, and happen to make well over 11 dollars an hour as base wages, plus overtime, so I also understand it’s a bias on my part regarding that. What I don’t understand is if one needs to farm the gauntlet in order to obtain gold because it’s the only viable way to do it while reaching a maximum amount of profit, why would they take precious time away to complain about it on a forum. Bad business sense all around. Find a better job, or farm more effectively. Complaining one way or the other about unfair economies or the stress of having to wait for a queue confounds me.

Oh yeah, completely agree there. Plus, and I haven’t tried this, can’t you guest to another server to use their Pavilion zone? If you were running into crowds, I imagine you could just pop into a lower density server to find “your arena”.

Regardless, verbally abusing someone for playing the game as intended is a jerk move. (This, of course, isn’t directed at farmers who politely ask for people to try another arena, nor to those who actually stick around to rez and help with tips. You people are cool.)

Side note: Maybe I shouldn’t have been, but I was a bit surprised with the cash to gold ratio. I figured you could get more for your dollar.

Sakri.7234:

Vixena.3821:

I had a guy actually say to me yesterday that the arena he was at was full and for me to go away. I made sure to stay around, get into a match, and fight for as long as possible. He left not too long after that.

Well, I for one find it somewhat rude to hijack someone else’s farming arena. Polite people find their own arenas where they don’t disturb anyone.

Except none of the arenas belong to anyone, much less a farmer thinking he has the right to tell anyone where to play.

bhagwad.4281:

Nettle.9025:

If I were farming and someone asked me to move to another empty one so they could do Liadri, I’d be ok with it. As someone who’s done it I can feel your pain

Unfortunately there are a few bad apples out there, but it’s not fair to label every farmer like that because of a few. Best we can do is try to be civil. If a farmer is acting like a total kitten and you absolutely need a specific arena, you can ignore him. At worst you added someone to ignore and have to wait 20 seconds for him to get his kill before you get back in. He will probably move anyway if there are others open.

The point I’m making is that non farmers are never inconvenienced by farmers cause the latter finish their runs so quickly. Why would a person trying to beat Liadri ask a farmer to leave? It doesn’t make sense. Liadri runs can take really long in comparison and it’s the poor farmer who needs to wait it out instead.

The pain is only flowing one way here.

The poor farmer.. did you seriously just say that? Holy crap, the stink of entitlement is overwhelming.

The Gauntlet was created as content for players to beat, not for your farming. Your farming comes last after everyone else’s right to try to beat that content and get the achievement. If someone wants to try to beat Liadri which is the point, I’m not going to feel sorry for the “pain” felt by a farmer who can’t go milk the Anet cash cow because, oh no, someone who actually is trying to beat and enjoy the challenge is taking “too long”.

Just wow. This has really brought out all the bad apples in the community.

Fact of the matter is having a queue is quite annoying.
It doesn’t matter whether we are queue-ing up for farming or actually beating it the first time.

A simple solution to this should have been a Story mode instance (First time players) or Explorable mode (farmers)

Also waiting on the queue is not the only hindrance that is being caused by other players, there is also the issue where a large zerg might run under the arena causing lag during critical moments in a fight.
With so many bosses that have a 1 hit kill mechanic, even the slightest lag or mis-step can result in failure.
Now this would have been all fine and dandy but this further causes the player to die right next to npcs without being auto-ressed. Now way pointing, repairing and running back is simply adding to wasting time as I would have to once again wait in queue once I reach back to a gauntlet arena.

None of the above is what I consider “Smart design”, if the devs wanted the fights to be visible to others, they should instead have had a spectator option when interacting with the ring master so the other players could have an option to watch n learn.

Guild wars 2 has always had the moto that your game play will not be ruined by other players but in this case it certainly does, if you look at gathering nodes, killing monsters, openinig chests – These all generate personal loot for players which is the right direction the game has taken since launch but adding guantlet in same instance as the pavillion was a step in the wrong direction.

Imagine having us to wait for a group to finish a dungeon before you could step inside it….

Learn to share, people.

This thread needlessly devolved into farmers vs. non-farmers argument. My original point was that it was Anet’s fault to allow this kind of situation forming in the first place. I hope this thread is further proof for Anet that they didn’t implement this one well, and learn of it in the future.

Slanderous.2586:

I find it hilariously sad that one would subject themselves to such levels of boredom for something as simple as game gold. If you’re that desperate for game gold… buy it. In other words, get a job.

Converting an hour’s worth of wages into gold gives me… about 8g.

Farming Ragemaw with 3 gambits for 1 hour gives me 16g and saves me enough money for a full meal.

Ragemaw takes the prize.

Sakri.7234:

Well, I for one find it somewhat rude to hijack someone else’s farming arena. Polite people find their own arenas where they don’t disturb anyone.

The road goes both ways. I’ve had farmers ‘hijack’ domes I was at. They refuse to res so they can get in more farms while you have to run back. Classy. Whenever someone does that to me I purposely stay at the dome. Even if it’s an inconvenience for me, I’m not going to reward that behavior by giving them exactly what they want.

I started out passing by domes with Dead Eye since I was trying to be respectful of farmers, but now I do it so I don’t have to deal with jerks.