Guild Wars 2

Well I at first came in this forum section to discuss my fear of Scarlet attacking the Pale Tree instead of LA. Quite possibly as a result with some sort of Dragon influence that is also behind ‘the nightmare’. Only to find that I am not alone on this, And 8 pages of discussion have already preceded me.

As my head is spinning with all sorts of things and avenue’s I will try to label each category, to make this more readable:

Paletree & Mordremoth
If you check the picture just above here, it does seem that besides a dragon, there is also some sort of plant entwined with the dragon. While I agree this is not the reason for the actual Sylvari, from both the opening sequence (starter area) of the Sylvari and the meeting of the other Sylvari. We do know ‘The Dream’ and ‘The nightmare’ are specific to the actual Paletree.

And while some argue that Sylvari can’t be ‘corrupted’ I would say that these thorns that Scarlet grew, aren’t anything ‘but’ corruption. When she was in Omadd’s device she was called upon by the pale tree to not look beyond. Now as a sylvari she may have been able to ‘tab’ into the dream, and see all the lives of all the sylvari, all their obtained knowledge and all their lives. When she looked beyond that she would start to look into the nightmare as well, and even beyond that. To then, look the Dragon into the Eye, the dragon that is corrupting the Dream.

Now the Nightmare Sylvari are (from my point of view) not the actual minions of this dragon. But they are still influenced by it, in the sense that these do not follow the Tablet teachings, and instead have their own agenda (which seems fairly unclear). Though in a sense the Tower event showed that they are very willing to create ‘minions’ of sorts.

And here something ‘twisted’ about Scarlet comes around the corner, something that may also explain her choice for Mechanical creatures as her main army. While she seems (may be) the first actual corrupted Sylvari. She is also fighting against this… It is ironic that her ‘quest’ to be free from the choice between Dream or Nightmare, led her beyond Nightmare. Now as this Dragon is some sort of Plant Dragon, would it not be an ‘aversion’ choice to then go with the mechanical…

So ‘my fear’ is that she may be killing the Pale Tree, knowing that Sylvari will still be born from other trees. But it would stop the hold of the dragon on the Sylvari through the dream/nightmare. Where the dream functions as the eyes and ears, and the nightmare functions as the hands and feet. The Paletree-sylvari in a sense are not ‘corrupted minions’, but still slaves of some sort of symbiosis/parasitic relationship between the Pale Tree and Mordremoth. So ‘what will hurt’ is killing off the mother tree, to ‘free’ the Sylvari from the dream, and to ‘free’ the dragon. Once the pale tree is dead and the dragon is ‘free’, and obviously weakened from being severed from the paletree, she will need this Drill to bore down to where this Dragon is sleeping, at the very roots of the pale tree.

ps. Seeing into the dream, and it’s past and future, would also be why Scarlet seems to know so much about Caith. Although, having worked intensively with the nightmare court, and not being able to do so without clearance from ‘the boss’. She would undoubtedly have talked to ‘Shoalin’ (or what is her name), who would obviously know that Caith would show up at some point, and gave Scarlet some ammunition to ‘mess up her mind’. Both would be a good explanation as to why Scarlet knows so much about her.

i’ll make another post for my next ‘issue’

Magic and the Gods on Tyria, and the dragons

While there has been said a lot about this already. It seems that ‘magic’ on Tyria, even though inspired by Magic. Has other influences as well, and does go beyond the 5 colours of Magic.

If you look at the Gods, and more specifically the case of Kormir, it is clear that Magic is not destroyed, but it can be absorbed. If you dive into the story of all the human gods, you will clearly find similar stories to various of these gods. (personal note: in this case I find the relationship between Grenth and Dhuum to be most compelling. Grenth being the god of ‘Death’ and Ice, still could only ‘imprison’ the actual lord of death. the Doom that is linked to all life, the end of it. And in a sense this is not too weird, because how would you be able to kill death itself. As such Grenth was only able to imprison it and take charge various aspects of this power, and the governance over the realm.)

Now there is an obvious strong relationship between the Dragons and Magic on Tyria. And it should not come as a surprize that the aspects of the gods, would also be aspects of certain dragons, which would in turn be aspects of magic. In this sense it is remarkable f/e that Grenth is considered both the god of Death as well as the God of Ice. Where in GW2 we should more then clearly see that these two are governed by to distinct Dragons Jormag & Zaithan. In a sense you could speculate (retrospectively) if Grenth wasn’t first the God of Ice, and used this power to Defeat Dhuum, to also become the god of Death.

Something similar seems to have happened with Baltazar and Menzies. Only, these slaughtered an entity and both ended up with different aspects of this one particular ‘god’. This god may well have been ‘Abaddon’, who ‘by all means’ gifted ‘ALL’ the magic to the people. So not just any particular kind, but all of it. It is hard to say who’s help Baltazar and Menzies had, when they defeated Abaddon. But seeing he himself was an elementalist, whom there after, only had remained as the god of water and secrets. You could wonder if Grenth did not, by any chance, assurb the power of Ice. Where Baltazar got the power of Fire and War(victory), and Menzies the power of ‘crazy’ of battle.

In a sense, the more I delve into this, the more I see a Group of Heroes, going on a quest to slay some omnipotent ‘godlike’ creature. And when this creature has been slain, each of them assurbs a part of this magic. Or perhaps even, the entity that is defeated offers them these powers in exchange for sparing his life. (ps. When kormir became the goddess of truth and knowledge, where did the ‘god of water’ part go sssshhhhhh )

Why all of this background? because if the dragons are related to some of this magic, we can deduct which sorts of magic there would be, and thus which kinds of dragons there may be.

Jormag – Ice => Grenth
Zaithan – Death => Grenth (& dhuum?)
Bubbles – Water => Abaddon => ???
Kralky – Illusion => Lyssa
Kralky – Air => Dwayna
Primordus – Fire => Balthazar
Primordus – Earth => Melandru
Mordremoth – Nature => Melandru
Mordremoth – Knowledge? => Abaddon => Kormir ( knowledge because now the Paletree seems to collect knowledge through the dream )
??? – WAR? (seems to be an aspect off all dragons) => Baltazar
??? – LIFE ?? => Dwayna
??? – Shadows => Menzies

In this sense it almost seems as though, before the gods actually got these power, quite possibly taken from Abaddon. There were other heroes that came before them, mainly those we know as Abaddon and Dhuum (+ ???).

Can magic even be destroyed?
Now all this adsorbing of magic should make one thing clear. Magic can NOT be destroyed. As it seems it can be divided up differently, or scattered, or even be imbued onto objects. But it can not be destroyed…

This seems to have some implications in regards to us ‘slaying Zaithan’. First off would be, was there anyone around to absorb this magic? If not, it more then likely ‘bled’ into the world, and this would make the next on the thrown ( Tequatl ) the most likely place for this magic to bleed into. It would also ‘in a sense’ explain why ‘we’ can slay this beast on and on. As long as there is flesh and bones to make a new Tequatl, this magic can ‘reform’ itself into it.

Which would mean that the only way to truly stop this dragon, is to absorb it’s power and by doing so ‘become’ the god of death. This may also hold true for all the other dragons. And seeing it may well be the case that each dragon holds multiple ‘aspects’ in itself, it could well be possible that multiple entities absorb a different aspect. Which in turn make it possible to ‘later on’ create different combinations. like Grenth being the god of Death and Ice, two kinds of magics represented by Jormag and Zhaitan.

Back to Scarlet
- Scarlet refuses to acknowledge the determination of the Dream & Nightmare.
- Set to destroy this even if it means destroying them both.
- They seem to be linked to ‘merely’ the Grove-Tree, as meeting another Tree Sylvari shows they don’t experience the dream.
- Looking beyond the dream, and the nightmare, shows somewhat of an ‘eye’ that some link to Primordus, but could easily be of any other dragon.
- She is (in my views) corrupted by this Dragon, and assumes a new name. But, and here I think lies some ironic plot, it seems she is still twisted about a choice being taken from her. She isn’t free from the dream, nor free from the nightmare, she is now in a sense ‘corrupted’ and with that the actual choice is taken from her.
- There is a internal battle in this character that essentially drives her mad, and seeing she fought so long to be free, she will likely do anything to ‘retake’ her freedom. Even if it means destroying both the Pale Tree, as well as Mordremoth.

- What is she looking for then?
While it could be an item, I am reminded of other things, For those that remember GW1, they know there is an extensive underground network. Of which many were connected with Azuran gates. Some of these places weren’t even connected in any other way then by these gates. Seeing the central transfer chamber is lost, and most connected places have thus also been lost. You would want to make sure the area you are about to ‘transfer’ into, is not caved in.

Why would you want to get in such ‘rooms’? not otherwise connected? Because some may well be filled with items of power that legends are told off. Majesties Rest for example (the resting place for kings, queens and other nobility) had Azuran gates in it. And perhaps even a tunnel from there to LA, or some other underground location, where in GW1 the Scepter of Orr was found.

So what she found in LA, underwater in the ‘old’ LA, is more then likely a ‘pocket of air’ A room of sorts that held from the destructive forces of the flood. More then likely underground rooms of the actual Royal Castle that once stood there. Places that ‘more then likely’ were build by the earliest Humans or even by races before them. Like f/e the tunnel system known as the shards of orr, connecting ArborBay with Gadds encampment.

Seeing (though I may be mistaken) Tequatl is currently residing in ‘Gadds encampment’ meaning there isn’t really a way in there. She may be looking for other ways into this tunnel system (and finding out which of it still survives) to get ‘underneath’ Arborbay, and thus, underneath the pale tree. Perhaps, to attack the dragon there, instead of lurking it out by killing the Pale tree. Which may well be plan B.

Why would she ‘not’ want to kill the Pale Tree itself, well more then likely because she seeks acknowledgement for doing ‘the right’ thing. For showing that her wisdom exceeds that of what the pale tree displays as knowledge. And more then ever, in a sense, that she took action to solve something, instead okittennowledging what is happening and living with it like (if all this speculation holds any truth) the Paletree does.

did we forgot that there were 3 more X’s on Scarlet’s map? any new theories?

There are two major theories at the moment :

1) "X"s are places that are going to be attacked by the alliances.
2) "X"s are the location of Scarlet’s secret lairs (bar the cross over lion’s arch).

Four X’s, one on each of the 3 orders and one on LA.

The one on Lion’s Arch is either in the place where the probe went off or where Mai Trin was released.

Near the Priory is the location of Scarlet’s lair.

Interestingly we know that the Vigil is where we will move when Lion’s Arch is under attack.

As for the whispers, there is a probe nearby, but nothing has happened there that I’ve noticed.

One possibility is that the X’s mark the positions of her four top allies, but it’s hard to see a pattern other than it being the bases of the three orders and the lionguard.

I’ve searched all across the Bloodtide Coast, but could not find another lair near the base of the Order of Whispers. So I don’t think the crosses are other locations of Scarlet hide outs. It was a good idea though.

The 3 Xs. They are for the orders HQs . Attacking the bases of the groups directly opposed to the dragons. Pretty straight forward stuff for a servant of a Dragon.

So far the teaser trailer only talked about an attack on LA. Not the HQs of the orders.

And if Scarlet is attacking LA, it’s propably to have her hand free when she’ll bring the giant drill.

The Xs could be potential digging locations, and only one of them is the actual site she was looking for.

VodCom.6924:

The Xs could be potential digging locations, and only one of them is the actual site she was looking for.

I’m definitely tempted by this thought, which I’ve had for a while now. The x’s all line up in the areas of the orders, but right smack on them? Well, fiddling with images left me a tad dubious. They seem to me to line up better with probes near the orders. Of course, why would only the probes near the orders be noteworthy, and isn’t that suspicious?

Well, yes, but there is another way to explain the link besides the orders being targets, to wit, a common-cause scenario. We have good reason to believe Scarlett is looking at the ley lines, dragon magic, chaos magic, etc. Perhaps, just perhaps, what she’s finding about these locales is they have connections to the lines and these magics. Perhaps the orders are founded there because for one reason or another they too have found that spot to be useful, due to those same magical energies. It would be rather like the Asura building the transfer chamber near Primordus.

The priory have that central whirl of golden light and tablets, and Durmand established something there for some reason. The whispers, well, they have that funky globe thing, and the Vigil have at least a gate. All seem to have bored into the earth in one way or another as well.

Just throwing it out there.

Thinsett.3789:

I’m definitely tempted by this thought, which I’ve had for a while now. The x’s all line up in the areas of the orders, but right smack on them? Well, fiddling with images left me a tad dubious. They seem to me to line up better with probes near the orders.

that is what I wrote on this topic when the map come out… still hoping it could be a good theory but since there are only two patches to go I’m starting to thinking that the other 3 x’s are just a decoy from ANet…

They don’t have to be involved in a major way in the new releases for the theory to be true. All that has to happen is clarification that she’s looking into ley lines and those were places of resonance. It could literally be confirmed by a line of dialog somewhere.