Guild Wars 2

Anyone notice that all Mags can talk about are the transfers DB has received… over and over again.

Grumpy cat is jealous

gidorah.4960:

Calvin.5380:

gidorah.4960:

Calvin.5380:

gidorah.4960:

wolf.1895:

gidorah.4960:

StealthSnake.9134:

DB was gonna make it to tier 2 with or without the transfer only because Kaineng was gonna fall regardless. Please don’t say anything if you don’t know what you’re talking about.

yes i have no idea what i am talking about db made it to t2 without transfers i am sooo sorry. I bet the didnt even canibalize the fairweather guilds from kain.

I like how people imply that DB had no skill before the transfer guilds. We were well on our way to T2 before they came.

yes db alone made it up the tiers with skill and not with transfers fixing its covergae gaps in na. plaese teach every other server how to do it.

So Mags are not trying to fix their coverage gaps? I look at the recruitment subforum, and I see a Mags recruitment post. Db doesn’t have any. I wonder if someone’s just being jealous here.

pro tip: Stop crying, and try to enjoy the game.

no one is crying db seems to not understand why they have so many fairweathers. you will of course always be confused by this if you believe you got to where you are with skill alone and not all the transfers coming to db for easy wins.

I don’t see anyone who said DB got to T2 with skill alone. That’d be preposterous. Care to share the link? We had the coverage and numbers to be in T2, which is why we moved there. After that, we received numerous transfers.

The transfers did help us hold our place in T2. They’re awesome, yes, and an integral part of DB now. Nobody is denying that.

Hope you find some peace in life.

like this guy saying it

It’s interesting because DB received all of its transfers when the “easy” wins stopped. Since we moved to T2, we had one week I would consider easy; the rest have all been hard fought, excepting last week when we were soundly trounced.

i’m not angry i’m just really perplexed by how some of db can be so oblivious to the unwritten rule of being a bandwagon server as soon as you stop winning the transfers stop showing up.

Is English your first language? He said that DB received transfers after we moved to T2, which is a fact. he did not say that we won T3 because of skill. We were already too big for T3. Skill is pretty even across servers. Normal curve.

Also, DB moved from #6 to #4 after the transfers. Hardly what one’d call a “bandwagon”. You may, if wish to. Doesn’t affect anybody’s health. Keep crying.

Enjoyed a lot of the fights in Mag BL.
VR will be looking for gvg’s this week 15-20.

Calvin.5380:

Anyone notice that all Mags can talk about are the transfers DB has received… over and over again.

Grumpy cat is jealous

gidorah.4960:

Calvin.5380:

gidorah.4960:

Calvin.5380:

gidorah.4960:

wolf.1895:

gidorah.4960:

StealthSnake.9134:

DB was gonna make it to tier 2 with or without the transfer only because Kaineng was gonna fall regardless. Please don’t say anything if you don’t know what you’re talking about.

yes i have no idea what i am talking about db made it to t2 without transfers i am sooo sorry. I bet the didnt even canibalize the fairweather guilds from kain.

I like how people imply that DB had no skill before the transfer guilds. We were well on our way to T2 before they came.

yes db alone made it up the tiers with skill and not with transfers fixing its covergae gaps in na. plaese teach every other server how to do it.

So Mags are not trying to fix their coverage gaps? I look at the recruitment subforum, and I see a Mags recruitment post. Db doesn’t have any. I wonder if someone’s just being jealous here.

pro tip: Stop crying, and try to enjoy the game.

no one is crying db seems to not understand why they have so many fairweathers. you will of course always be confused by this if you believe you got to where you are with skill alone and not all the transfers coming to db for easy wins.

I don’t see anyone who said DB got to T2 with skill alone. That’d be preposterous. Care to share the link? We had the coverage and numbers to be in T2, which is why we moved there. After that, we received numerous transfers.

The transfers did help us hold our place in T2. They’re awesome, yes, and an integral part of DB now. Nobody is denying that.

Hope you find some peace in life.

like this guy saying it

It’s interesting because DB received all of its transfers when the “easy” wins stopped. Since we moved to T2, we had one week I would consider easy; the rest have all been hard fought, excepting last week when we were soundly trounced.

i’m not angry i’m just really perplexed by how some of db can be so oblivious to the unwritten rule of being a bandwagon server as soon as you stop winning the transfers stop showing up.

Is English your first language? He said that DB received transfers after we moved to T2, which is a fact. he did not say that we won T3 because of skill. We were already too big for T3. Skill is pretty even across servers. Normal curve.

Also, DB moved from #6 to #4 after the transfers. Hardly what one’d call a “bandwagon”. You may, if wish to. Doesn’t affect anybody’s health. Keep crying.

it is also a fact you got a lot of transfers while winning t3 and where the current bandwagon server when kain was imploding

Calvin.5380:

Anyone notice that all Mags can talk about are the transfers DB has received… over and over again.

Grumpy cat is jealous

gidorah.4960:

Calvin.5380:

gidorah.4960:

Calvin.5380:

gidorah.4960:

wolf.1895:

gidorah.4960:

StealthSnake.9134:

DB was gonna make it to tier 2 with or without the transfer only because Kaineng was gonna fall regardless. Please don’t say anything if you don’t know what you’re talking about.

yes i have no idea what i am talking about db made it to t2 without transfers i am sooo sorry. I bet the didnt even canibalize the fairweather guilds from kain.

I like how people imply that DB had no skill before the transfer guilds. We were well on our way to T2 before they came.

yes db alone made it up the tiers with skill and not with transfers fixing its covergae gaps in na. plaese teach every other server how to do it.

So Mags are not trying to fix their coverage gaps? I look at the recruitment subforum, and I see a Mags recruitment post. Db doesn’t have any. I wonder if someone’s just being jealous here.

pro tip: Stop crying, and try to enjoy the game.

no one is crying db seems to not understand why they have so many fairweathers. you will of course always be confused by this if you believe you got to where you are with skill alone and not all the transfers coming to db for easy wins.

I don’t see anyone who said DB got to T2 with skill alone. That’d be preposterous. Care to share the link? We had the coverage and numbers to be in T2, which is why we moved there. After that, we received numerous transfers.

The transfers did help us hold our place in T2. They’re awesome, yes, and an integral part of DB now. Nobody is denying that.

Hope you find some peace in life.

like this guy saying it

It’s interesting because DB received all of its transfers when the “easy” wins stopped. Since we moved to T2, we had one week I would consider easy; the rest have all been hard fought, excepting last week when we were soundly trounced.

i’m not angry i’m just really perplexed by how some of db can be so oblivious to the unwritten rule of being a bandwagon server as soon as you stop winning the transfers stop showing up.

Is English your first language? He said that DB received transfers after we moved to T2, which is a fact. he did not say that we won T3 because of skill. We were already too big for T3. Skill is pretty even across servers. Normal curve.

Also, DB moved from #6 to #4 after the transfers. Hardly what one’d call a “bandwagon”. You may, if wish to. Doesn’t affect anybody’s health. Keep crying.

Jealous? You lose to us when we have even numbers and we tick higher for hours. Then you clean up in oceanic and throw numbers at everything. Then you go up a tier against other servers with numbers like yourself and come up dead last and bloodied.

It’s a joke really.

i missed you, db.

Mister Mustard.7203:

gidorah.4960:

Mister Mustard.7203:

gidorah.4960:

wolf.1895:

gidorah.4960:

StealthSnake.9134:

DB was gonna make it to tier 2 with or without the transfer only because Kaineng was gonna fall regardless. Please don’t say anything if you don’t know what you’re talking about.

yes i have no idea what i am talking about db made it to t2 without transfers i am sooo sorry. I bet the didnt even canibalize the fairweather guilds from kain.

I like how people imply that DB had no skill before the transfer guilds. We were well on our way to T2 before they came.

yes db alone made it up the tiers with skill and not with transfers fixing its covergae gaps in na. plaese teach every other server how to do it.

Here you go.

Noodles made the announcement [RE] was coming over on April 19th, which I think we can agree was the beginning of the wave of folks coming to DB. [rB] had already moved over a couple weeks prior, but much more quietly.

If you were to look at the scores from that week, which ended the day after Noodles’ announcement, you would see Kain sliding and DB gaining, close to a 30 point swing. Give or take a few points in the next week, and DB would have replaced Kain in T2, or only been a point or two behind in rating. Transfers or not.

Your revisionist history is unfounded. Do you have any other theories for us?

are you serious;y saying that db started switching places with kain when kain guilds started abandoning ship and moving to db as proof that you got to t2 without transfers. i honestly cant understand how you think.

It’s quite evident you have no chance in understanding how I think.

Yes, the proof is right there in the post I made. If you choose to not be slowed down by silly things like facts, that’s your own issue.

DB received one guild from Kain, [CO]. Who trickled over the first week we were already in Tier 3. When Kain lost a few guilds and subsequently fell some, yes, DB benefited. Because we were the next server up, not because we absorbed half the server like you want to imply.

your proof is showing db winning t3 as the week it started to get big transfers from other servers. that is LITERALLY the definition of a bandwagon server.

Mubarizun.6435:

Calvin.5380:

Anyone notice that all Mags can talk about are the transfers DB has received… over and over again.

Grumpy cat is jealous

gidorah.4960:

Calvin.5380:

gidorah.4960:

Calvin.5380:

gidorah.4960:

wolf.1895:

gidorah.4960:

StealthSnake.9134:

DB was gonna make it to tier 2 with or without the transfer only because Kaineng was gonna fall regardless. Please don’t say anything if you don’t know what you’re talking about.

yes i have no idea what i am talking about db made it to t2 without transfers i am sooo sorry. I bet the didnt even canibalize the fairweather guilds from kain.

I like how people imply that DB had no skill before the transfer guilds. We were well on our way to T2 before they came.

yes db alone made it up the tiers with skill and not with transfers fixing its covergae gaps in na. plaese teach every other server how to do it.

So Mags are not trying to fix their coverage gaps? I look at the recruitment subforum, and I see a Mags recruitment post. Db doesn’t have any. I wonder if someone’s just being jealous here.

pro tip: Stop crying, and try to enjoy the game.

no one is crying db seems to not understand why they have so many fairweathers. you will of course always be confused by this if you believe you got to where you are with skill alone and not all the transfers coming to db for easy wins.

I don’t see anyone who said DB got to T2 with skill alone. That’d be preposterous. Care to share the link? We had the coverage and numbers to be in T2, which is why we moved there. After that, we received numerous transfers.

The transfers did help us hold our place in T2. They’re awesome, yes, and an integral part of DB now. Nobody is denying that.

Hope you find some peace in life.

like this guy saying it

It’s interesting because DB received all of its transfers when the “easy” wins stopped. Since we moved to T2, we had one week I would consider easy; the rest have all been hard fought, excepting last week when we were soundly trounced.

i’m not angry i’m just really perplexed by how some of db can be so oblivious to the unwritten rule of being a bandwagon server as soon as you stop winning the transfers stop showing up.

Is English your first language? He said that DB received transfers after we moved to T2, which is a fact. he did not say that we won T3 because of skill. We were already too big for T3. Skill is pretty even across servers. Normal curve.

Also, DB moved from #6 to #4 after the transfers. Hardly what one’d call a “bandwagon”. You may, if wish to. Doesn’t affect anybody’s health. Keep crying.

Jealous? You lose to us when we have even numbers and we tick higher for hours. Then you clean up in oceanic and throw numbers at everything. Then you go up a tier against other servers with numbers like yourself and come up dead last and bloodied.

It’s a joke really.

As of this moment, I see mags ticking for 65PPT. This is reset night which is the most even, and supposedly the time Mags have the highest population.

You are the definition of a joke, my friend

gidorah.4960:

it is also a fact you got a lot of transfers while winning t3 and where the current bandwagon server when kain was imploding

A lot? Can you name those transfers we got while we were still in T3?

Mubarizun.6435:

Jealous? You lose to us when we have even numbers and we tick higher for hours. Then you clean up in oceanic and throw numbers at everything. Then you go up a tier against other servers with numbers like yourself and come up dead last and bloodied.

It’s a joke really.

Last time we lost to Maguuma was December. Then the next time we met, in February, we won against you. How’s that “throw numbers at everything”?

gidorah.4960:

your proof is showing db winning t3 as the week it started to get big transfers from other servers. that is LITERALLY the definition of a bandwagon server.

I believe he meant T2. CO came to DB after May 1. Link. We were already in T2. Link.

Calvin.5380:

Mubarizun.6435:

Calvin.5380:

Anyone notice that all Mags can talk about are the transfers DB has received… over and over again.

Grumpy cat is jealous

gidorah.4960:

Calvin.5380:

gidorah.4960:

Calvin.5380:

gidorah.4960:

wolf.1895:

gidorah.4960:

StealthSnake.9134:

DB was gonna make it to tier 2 with or without the transfer only because Kaineng was gonna fall regardless. Please don’t say anything if you don’t know what you’re talking about.

yes i have no idea what i am talking about db made it to t2 without transfers i am sooo sorry. I bet the didnt even canibalize the fairweather guilds from kain.

I like how people imply that DB had no skill before the transfer guilds. We were well on our way to T2 before they came.

yes db alone made it up the tiers with skill and not with transfers fixing its covergae gaps in na. plaese teach every other server how to do it.

So Mags are not trying to fix their coverage gaps? I look at the recruitment subforum, and I see a Mags recruitment post. Db doesn’t have any. I wonder if someone’s just being jealous here.

pro tip: Stop crying, and try to enjoy the game.

no one is crying db seems to not understand why they have so many fairweathers. you will of course always be confused by this if you believe you got to where you are with skill alone and not all the transfers coming to db for easy wins.

I don’t see anyone who said DB got to T2 with skill alone. That’d be preposterous. Care to share the link? We had the coverage and numbers to be in T2, which is why we moved there. After that, we received numerous transfers.

The transfers did help us hold our place in T2. They’re awesome, yes, and an integral part of DB now. Nobody is denying that.

Hope you find some peace in life.

like this guy saying it

It’s interesting because DB received all of its transfers when the “easy” wins stopped. Since we moved to T2, we had one week I would consider easy; the rest have all been hard fought, excepting last week when we were soundly trounced.

i’m not angry i’m just really perplexed by how some of db can be so oblivious to the unwritten rule of being a bandwagon server as soon as you stop winning the transfers stop showing up.

Is English your first language? He said that DB received transfers after we moved to T2, which is a fact. he did not say that we won T3 because of skill. We were already too big for T3. Skill is pretty even across servers. Normal curve.

Also, DB moved from #6 to #4 after the transfers. Hardly what one’d call a “bandwagon”. You may, if wish to. Doesn’t affect anybody’s health. Keep crying.

Jealous? You lose to us when we have even numbers and we tick higher for hours. Then you clean up in oceanic and throw numbers at everything. Then you go up a tier against other servers with numbers like yourself and come up dead last and bloodied.

It’s a joke really.

As of this moment, I see mags ticking for 65PPT. This is reset night which is the most even, and supposedly the time Mags have the highest population.

You are the definition of a joke, my friend

No my friend. You have more numbers than us by far. And if you open your eyes and take your head out your rear, you’ll see that FA is attacking us as well. In fact, 8 omega golems took the keep you worked so hard to surround.

Regardless, last week I distinctly remember trouncing you in every one of our prime times and especially on opening night. If you ever hopped on mag for that week, absolutely no one in our server takes your tactics seriously. We simply crush you in even battles.

Elano.2014:

gidorah.4960:

it is also a fact you got a lot of transfers while winning t3 and where the current bandwagon server when kain was imploding

A lot? Can you name those transfers we got while we were still in T3?

Mubarizun.6435:

Jealous? You lose to us when we have even numbers and we tick higher for hours. Then you clean up in oceanic and throw numbers at everything. Then you go up a tier against other servers with numbers like yourself and come up dead last and bloodied.

It’s a joke really.

Last time we lost to Maguuma was December. Then the next time we met, in February, we won against you. How’s that “throw numbers at everything”?

gidorah.4960:

your proof is showing db winning t3 as the week it started to get big transfers from other servers. that is LITERALLY the definition of a bandwagon server.

I believe he meant T2. CO came to DB after May 1. Link. We were already in T2. Link.

are you saying between december and febuary you got no transfer you just got better?
and they agreed to transfer and began to transfer while you where winning t3

gidorah.4960:

are you saying between december and febuary you got no transfer you just got better?
and they agreed to transfer and began to transfer while you where winning t3

Yea, we probably got better. I see no major transfers during that period.

As for the “they begin to transfer while we’re winning T3” part, only a CO personnel would know. You got to admit you were wrong about Kain guilds transferring to DB while we were in T3.

Wouldn’t be surprised if we sandbagged this week. We don’t enjoy fighting Dragonbrand, and we’d be a lot happier just losing a lot of rating and fighting someone else.

Elano.2014:

gidorah.4960:

are you saying between december and febuary you got no transfer you just got better?
and they agreed to transfer and began to transfer while you where winning t3

Yea, we probably got better. I see no major transfers during that period.

As for the “they begin to transfer while we’re winning T3” part, only a CO personnel would know. You got to admit you were wrong about Kain guilds transferring to DB while we were in T3.

lol your right db didnt go from 10 vs 100 in na prime to even numbers. Are you a db transfer that simply doesnt remember db had 0 na presence?

gidorah.4960:

Elano.2014:

gidorah.4960:

are you saying between december and febuary you got no transfer you just got better?
and they agreed to transfer and began to transfer while you where winning t3

Yea, we probably got better. I see no major transfers during that period.

As for the “they begin to transfer while we’re winning T3” part, only a CO personnel would know. You got to admit you were wrong about Kain guilds transferring to DB while we were in T3.

lol your right db didnt go from 10 vs 100 in na prime to even numbers. Are you a db transfer that simply doesnt remember db had 0 na presence?

We had zero presence, yet you never managed to slaughter us the way NNK slaughtered you? Wow, aren’t we impressive?

Cry a little more, please. We’re all laughing in our map chat

Calvin.5380:

gidorah.4960:

Elano.2014:

gidorah.4960:

are you saying between december and febuary you got no transfer you just got better?
and they agreed to transfer and began to transfer while you where winning t3

Yea, we probably got better. I see no major transfers during that period.

As for the “they begin to transfer while we’re winning T3” part, only a CO personnel would know. You got to admit you were wrong about Kain guilds transferring to DB while we were in T3.

lol your right db didnt go from 10 vs 100 in na prime to even numbers. Are you a db transfer that simply doesnt remember db had 0 na presence?

We had zero presence, yet you never managed to slaughter us the way NNK slaughtered you? Wow, aren’t we impressive?

Cry a little more, please. We’re all laughing in our map chat

lol i literally can’t believe someone on db would say this. you have got to be a troll and a hilarious one.

Had lots of fun on Mag BL today

Great fights from RET & others from FA, same goes for the many guilds on Maguuma! Definitely some close calls!

gidorah.4960:

lol your right db didnt go from 10 vs 100 in na prime to even numbers. Are you a db transfer that simply doesnt remember db had 0 na presence?

Woah, one thing at a time, please. So you have no more problems regarding Kaineng guilds? Cool. I suggest you list all your doubts so we can answer one by one, instead of mixing everything up like you are currently doing. You seem to have a hard time understanding what my servermates and I are saying.

And nah, I’m a DB native.

this thread is terrible and i’m reporting all of it

gidorah.4960:

lol i literally can’t believe someone on db would say this. you have got to be a troll and a hilarious one.

Calvin does absolutely nothing but flamebait. He’s one of those trolls who finds ways to get underneath everyone’s skin and then flashes the puppy dog eyes as soon as he’s called out on it, so he never gets punished. Just ignore him.

I’m bored. This guy really has no substance. There was a time when Mags brought their A-game to the forums. Their forum performance has degraded to their in-game skill levels. Sigh!

Anyway, thanks for the laughs, Baguuma

A round of drinks for everyone in Mag BL today. We held our own against 2 massive zergs. Thanks for the bags, badages and dragon coffers.

saiyr.3071:

this thread is terrible and i’m reporting all of it

The T1 thread is already 4 pages long
Let’s hear from FA aswell

EDIT : Btw, did anyone find out that the ratings of MOS is wrong compared to Anet’s leaderboard?

Elano.2014:

gidorah.4960:

lol your right db didnt go from 10 vs 100 in na prime to even numbers. Are you a db transfer that simply doesnt remember db had 0 na presence?

Woah, one thing at a time, please. So you have no more problems regarding Kaineng guilds? Cool. I suggest you list all your doubts so we can answer one by one, instead of mixing everything up like you are currently doing. You seem to have a hard time understanding what my servermates and I are saying.

And nah, I’m a DB native.

no i do contest this. CO came and is big enough to make a difference in na on their own i remember that week not a huge difference but you could see it in the ppt. and big guilds never come alone they bring pugs and smaller guilds with them. and this just put db over the top you can look at the score db was steadily gaining ppt in na prime the entire time because they where getting transfers. db had been heavily recruiting for a long time and once they started doing well they guilds started trickling in until is snowballed and db became the flavor of the month server that has done what every single other of them has done stalled and lost people when it was obvious they where getting stomped in t2.

I think the rating has been wrong for quite awhile, at least one of my guildmates said it was. I never bothered to check. Don’t really care as long as the tiers are right.

violentlycar.5267:

gidorah.4960:

lol i literally can’t believe someone on db would say this. you have got to be a troll and a hilarious one.

Calvin does absolutely nothing but flamebait. He’s one of those trolls who finds ways to get underneath everyone’s skin and then flashes the puppy dog eyes as soon as he’s called out on it, so he never gets punished. Just ignore him.

lolwhut?

Calvin.5380:

I don’t see anyone who said DB got to T2 with skill alone. That’d be preposterous. Care to share the link?

wolf.1895:

I like how people imply that DB had no skill before the transfer guilds. We were well on our way to T2 before they came.

This thread is already hilarious. Can’t wait to see more.

Anyone who wants to know the exact honest truth about DB msg me in game and ill meet with you in Teamspeak. Otherwise take your made up stats and wiki knowledge and put posters all over your room. Its what normal obsessed people do.

warsock.7830:

Anyone who wants to know the exact honest truth about DB msg me in game and ill meet with you in Teamspeak. Otherwise take your made up stats and wiki knowledge and put posters all over your room. Its what normal obsessed people do.

its not a secret db will rise and fall like every other bandwagon server

gidorah.4960:

warsock.7830:

Anyone who wants to know the exact honest truth about DB msg me in game and ill meet with you in Teamspeak. Otherwise take your made up stats and wiki knowledge and put posters all over your room. Its what normal obsessed people do.

its not a secret db will rise and fall like every other bandwagon server

kain 3.0

Wow, great start to the week.

Get it out of your systems ladies, the real fighting happens in game.

I would really hate to see Maguuma turtle or sandbag this week because it will leave FA alone to face DBs numbers. The best way to make this interesting is to pressure the #1 server

Furiousbeard.7602:

Wow, great start to the week.

Get it out of your systems ladies, the real fighting happens in game.

I would really hate to see Maguuma turtle or sandbag this week because it will leave FA alone to face DBs numbers. The best way to make this interesting is to pressure the #1 server

You know that won’t happen, though.

Furiousbeard.7602:

Wow, great start to the week.

Get it out of your systems ladies, the real fighting happens in game.

I would really hate to see Maguuma turtle or sandbag this week because it will leave FA alone to face DBs numbers. The best way to make this interesting is to pressure the #1 server

That can’t be bad for FA. You beat us in our last two match ups.

Mags usually give up when they’re not winning a match. As much spine, as skill.

I will predict a DB win this week if Mag doesn’t push as hard as they can.

There will be too many free points to go around and I think a lot of our folks are on vacay. Lack of coverage will work against us.

I’m not giving up though. I look forward to see some familiar tags in our bl again

For the record, FA and Mag are currently gaining rating while DB is dropping.
We’re balanced to the rating system, you should set your goal to keeping us from gaining rating.

We got murdered last week by two T1 servers, but we didn’t drop that much over all. In fact thanks to T2 last week we managed to pass TC to go from 5->4 despite being murdered. Why? It was expected that we’d be outmatched in T1. Likewise, DB will have to win by a pretty fair margin to gain rating in T3.

~ Kovu

kerona.3465:

You know that won’t happen, though.

Didn’t help that FA sent most of their numbers to Mag bl, and left DB bl alone for the most part.

Oh well, Oblyth can solo DB zergs for us~

Do we have to start every matchup thread with talk about bandwagons and transfers? The population and coverage is what it is. Doesn’t even matter whether the new guilds came before or after T2 (those who know the truth know it, and everyone else just trolls).

Can we talk about this matchup? Like how Maguuma was outmanned on EB on reset night. Or how FA took nearly everything except DB’s 1/3rd of EB?

Kovu.7560:

For the record, FA and Mag are currently gaining rating while DB is dropping.
We’re balanced to the rating system, you should set your goal to keeping us from gaining rating.

We got murdered last week by two T1 servers, but we didn’t drop that much over all. In fact thanks to T2 last week we managed to pass TC to go from 5->4 despite being murdered. Why? It was expected that we’d be outmatched in T1. Likewise, DB will have to win by a pretty fair margin to gain rating in T3.

~ Kovu

Rating is not the same as fun. Given that ANet actually plays their game, I’d hope they recognize this and are taking steps to improve it.

violentlycar.5267:

Kovu.7560:

For the record, FA and Mag are currently gaining rating while DB is dropping.
We’re balanced to the rating system, you should set your goal to keeping us from gaining rating.

We got murdered last week by two T1 servers, but we didn’t drop that much over all. In fact thanks to T2 last week we managed to pass TC to go from 5->4 despite being murdered. Why? It was expected that we’d be outmatched in T1. Likewise, DB will have to win by a pretty fair margin to gain rating in T3.

~ Kovu

Rating is not the same as fun. Given that ANet actually plays their game, I’d hope they recognize this and are taking steps to improve it.

And yet a few weeks ago people were complaining about the stagnant never changing matches that we settled into after server transfers stopped being free and thus more common. All servers were relatively well matched, all having their moments to shine.

Then people whine on the forums about how boring it is to face the same servers week in and week out so they introduce this system.

And now everyone’s whining about T1 servers steam rolling T2 servers, and T2 servers rolling T3 servers. From what I’ve seen, the luckiest server in the game is Henge of Denravi— look at how they’ve been placed the past few weeks.

The fact is, we can’t have the cake and eat it too. We won’t have balanced matches if the tiers are all scrambled— even to within a degree of 1 tier.

There is no way to fix this unless they reduced the number of people able to play wvw, or forced people to transfer to balance tiers.

DB spent half of their last matchup without their own Garrison. Do you think we enjoyed it? We dealt with it. All the BG and JQ (JQ in particular) running around meant a lot of loot bags— and all of the stuff we didn’t own meant a lot of potential stuff we could take.

It’s hypocritical to ask Anet to randomize the matches and then demand balance. It’s not going to happen. Deal with the fact that we’re going to kick your kitten this week.

~ Kovu

Mubarizun.6435:

Calvin.5380:

Anyone notice that all Mags can talk about are the transfers DB has received… over and over again.

Grumpy cat is jealous

gidorah.4960:

Calvin.5380:

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Calvin.5380:

gidorah.4960:

wolf.1895:

gidorah.4960:

StealthSnake.9134:

DB was gonna make it to tier 2 with or without the transfer only because Kaineng was gonna fall regardless. Please don’t say anything if you don’t know what you’re talking about.

yes i have no idea what i am talking about db made it to t2 without transfers i am sooo sorry. I bet the didnt even canibalize the fairweather guilds from kain.

I like how people imply that DB had no skill before the transfer guilds. We were well on our way to T2 before they came.

yes db alone made it up the tiers with skill and not with transfers fixing its covergae gaps in na. plaese teach every other server how to do it.

So Mags are not trying to fix their coverage gaps? I look at the recruitment subforum, and I see a Mags recruitment post. Db doesn’t have any. I wonder if someone’s just being jealous here.

pro tip: Stop crying, and try to enjoy the game.

no one is crying db seems to not understand why they have so many fairweathers. you will of course always be confused by this if you believe you got to where you are with skill alone and not all the transfers coming to db for easy wins.

I don’t see anyone who said DB got to T2 with skill alone. That’d be preposterous. Care to share the link? We had the coverage and numbers to be in T2, which is why we moved there. After that, we received numerous transfers.

The transfers did help us hold our place in T2. They’re awesome, yes, and an integral part of DB now. Nobody is denying that.

Hope you find some peace in life.

like this guy saying it

It’s interesting because DB received all of its transfers when the “easy” wins stopped. Since we moved to T2, we had one week I would consider easy; the rest have all been hard fought, excepting last week when we were soundly trounced.

i’m not angry i’m just really perplexed by how some of db can be so oblivious to the unwritten rule of being a bandwagon server as soon as you stop winning the transfers stop showing up.

Is English your first language? He said that DB received transfers after we moved to T2, which is a fact. he did not say that we won T3 because of skill. We were already too big for T3. Skill is pretty even across servers. Normal curve.

Also, DB moved from #6 to #4 after the transfers. Hardly what one’d call a “bandwagon”. You may, if wish to. Doesn’t affect anybody’s health. Keep crying.

Jealous? You lose to us when we have even numbers and we tick higher for hours. Then you clean up in oceanic and throw numbers at everything. Then you go up a tier against other servers with numbers like yourself and come up dead last and bloodied.

It’s a joke really.

So is that why we straight up stomped FA and TC for 3 weeks straight and only lost the next 2 because FA and TC straight up double teamed us, Fa even admitted last week in our match up forums that often in those 2 week they literally came and broke our walls/door and let TC come take just to keep ahead of us in points? After reading just the front page I totally understand the double team now Fa and Tc musta been really mad that a new server moves into their tier and stomps them 3 weeks in a row

O and those hours that you ticked over us you barley had a 40ish lead ever but when we tick over you we easily hold around 80 or higher consistently

I’m just happy that despite their superior numbers, we stomped Baguuma during NA prime time. Their crying on the forum is bonus entertainment.

FA is a worthy opponent, though, even after BT left. Good fights in FABL. Respect.

Sophtspoken.9062:

So is that why we straight up stomped FA and TC for 3 weeks straight and only lost the next 2 because FA and TC straight up double teamed us, Fa even admitted last week in our match up forums that often in those 2 week they literally came and broke our walls/door and let TC come take just to keep ahead of us in points? After reading just the front page I totally understand the double team now Fa and Tc musta been really mad that a new server moves into their tier and stomps them 3 weeks in a row

O and those hours that you ticked over us you barley had a 40ish lead ever but when we tick over you we easily hold around 80 or higher consistently

Warning FA and Mag. Sophtspoken is our super-troll of the week last week. We’re disowning him, so please just ignore him and he’ll hopefully go away.

It makes a lot more sense when you stop looking at “the forums” or “Maguuma” or “Dragonbrand” as some sort of monolithic entity with the same opinions and desires and start looking at individuals and what they want. There’s not really hypocrisy when it’s different groups of individuals asking for good matches versus variety.

But I digress. There’s nothing really inherently “fair” about you getting to beat up one server a week after getting beat up by another one. In fact, that’s pretty much feel bad all around. Ultimately, I feel like World vs World will never be balanced with its current design. As long as it’s server versus server in a 24 hour environment, it’s always going to be about which side has the most players. I think something needs to change to introduce flexibility in that. Perhaps some sort of mercenary system?

Can a thief from DB or Maguuma PST me? I need help testing how much burst you can put put on my armor value.

Ugh. Everyone cries outnumbered.
Fact is, 2/3rds of the time there’s often going to be more of the enemy somewhere nearby trying to find the holes in your defense.

And violentlycar, that is why Anet can’t simply bend to the whim of a bunch of forum kids at every turn. We all have differing opinions and many of us will cry when our particular ideals aren’t met or agreed with.

No, I don’t have a solution. I don’t believe this variety system is it. Agreed, WvW in its current state is not optimal. But I’m having fun. Even last week. If people can’t learn to make the most out of the situation then they can find something else to do. The game won’t change just because they want it to.

That’s the nature of pvp.

Personally I felt the orbs should’ve been retained as a means of giving what the current [Outmanned] buff gives. [Outmanned] today should’t give magic find and extra wxp— that doesn’t help you when you’re outmanned— it should have provided the statistical boost to compensate for being outnumbered. That’s how I personally felt back in 2012 and I still feel that way. Giving more/better stats to the winning server was not the way to go.

~ Kovu

ANet doesn’t need to do the specific things people suggest, but they should be able to sense the general discontent, identify the cause, and work on a solution. So far, they haven’t even shown that they’re aware of a problem. That’s what bothers me.

“The problem”, as you’ve pointed out, depends on who you ask. Some people want variety, some want balance. Before it was balanced, now it has variety, it would be insanely difficult to do both. They’d have to do more with the [Outmanned] buff (as I noted in an edit in my above post) such as providing higher stats, reducing siege supply cost, perhaps even giving a 10% speed boost, or quickness on siege to encourage quick capping. But then if you make it -too- good people will -want- to be outmanned, which defeats the purpose. Then there’s the matter of the [Outmanned] buff itself. There are times where our map is clearly outmanned and the buff doesn’t appear. It’s a hard system to balance, and I’d like to think that Anet is running simulations behind the scenes that might address some of this.

Either way, we’ve got to deal with what we have now. This whole discussion is a can of worms I refuse to open at this hour. It’s all just speculation.

And for the record, I’m entirely against more NPCs being added to this pvp environment. Give boosts, don’t take the player out of the game. I hate siegerazer.

~ Kovu

edit- Oh, and the [Outmanned] buff would have to be more sensitive, too. Perhaps different degrees of being outmanned. Moreover, when tallying people for that purpose it should only count those outside of the safe zone.

doubleedit- Moreover, on this scale anything they would do would be trial and error. They can simulate our numbers but they cannot simulate our tactics. The fact is, mistakes will be made before the system is “perfect”. (Which, by the way will never be the case because SOMEONE will have SOMETHING to whine about.)

Except we didn’t ask for this, never wanted to fight random servers, and we haven’t even gotten ‘variety’.

Also you write really long posts. You should consider moving to Maguuma.

The only soloing I’ll be doing this week is Farmville.

Sorry. That post could’ve been way longer, when I try to elaborate on one thing there are like four other things I feel I need to explain. I feel if something is incomplete it will be misunderstood and misconstrued.

Fact is— you didn’t ask for it— but others did. A lot of people wanted variety, so that’s what Anet’s trying to do. It kills balance under the current system. Personally, I was fine with FA and TC. But the T1 servers (in particular) wanted a change from the status quo. Not everyone will be satisfied.

Just.. try to have fun with the matchup as best as you can. This is a game, we’re supposed to be trying to have fun. We can’t pin this all on Anet.

~ Kovu

Eviator.9746:

Sophtspoken.9062:

So is that why we straight up stomped FA and TC for 3 weeks straight and only lost the next 2 because FA and TC straight up double teamed us, Fa even admitted last week in our match up forums that often in those 2 week they literally came and broke our walls/door and let TC come take just to keep ahead of us in points? After reading just the front page I totally understand the double team now Fa and Tc musta been really mad that a new server moves into their tier and stomps them 3 weeks in a row

O and those hours that you ticked over us you barley had a 40ish lead ever but when we tick over you we easily hold around 80 or higher consistently

Warning FA and Mag. Sophtspoken is our super-troll of the week last week. We’re disowning him, so please just ignore him and he’ll hopefully go away.

Pretty sure there’s a competition for that title.

kerona.3465:

The only soloing I’ll be doing this week is Farmville.

I’m never talking to you again, ever!!