Guild Wars 2

highlandria.7941:

So you are admitting to using a game exploit. On a side note. We have talked to a couple of brl members and brl does not support this kind of behavior. Good to see that this may just be 1 exploiting Mesmer instead of a guild/server supporting exploits.
I’m just happy this exploiter only accomplished to do so on paper keeps.

So with this logic is hitting through the door an exploit as well? I have even been piked through a door as well.

Seriously you’re complaining about us taking our own stuff back. stop being mad and remember it is only pixels.

Daco.5847:

highlandria.7941:

So you are admitting to using a game exploit. On a side note. We have talked to a couple of brl members and brl does not support this kind of behavior. Good to see that this may just be 1 exploiting Mesmer instead of a guild/server supporting exploits.
I’m just happy this exploiter only accomplished to do so on paper keeps.

So with this logic is hitting through the door an exploit as well? I have even been piked through a door as well.

Seriously you’re complaining about us taking our own stuff back. stop being mad and remember it is only pixels.

Actually, it is. They are all clear LoS exploits, if you can’t see it you should get the same message every ranged player knows and loves when a blade of grass gets between you and the enemy .. obstructed. Just because a class can blink through the map and portal everyone to the lords room of a fully fortified keep doesn’t make it less of an exploit because all you use are in game skills you are given (ANet finally fixed that, thank god), or because you can buy karma gear for well under what it should cost and make a crazy profit that it’s OK to do it(think early game bans). But not only is it a LoS exploit, it’s just not classy. One of our mesmers was caught doing it, was explained why we don’t do it, and it hasn’t happened since.

Daco.5847:

So with this logic is hitting through the door an exploit as well? I have even been piked through a door as well.

Seriously you’re complaining about us taking our own stuff back. stop being mad and remember it is only pixels.

I hope you don’t really fail to understand the difference. One is a limitation of the game, allowing ground target and melee skills with sufficient range to hit without line-of-sight. The other allows players to regain access to the innards of towers/keeps after their repair without having to go through the doors or walls or by using the portal of a living mesmer stashed inside, thus circumventing the entire gimmick of WvW—sieging.

That it’s “your own stuff” is not a valid defense.

As Dov touches on, I don’t think I’d really be all that bothered if Anet changed it such that these skills were obstructed. I imagine this would cause problems with clearly intended skill effects (that like of the ram mastery skill, Slam Impact) and would require more rework of mechanics than is currently on their schedule.

Daco.5847:

highlandria.7941:

So you are admitting to using a game exploit. On a side note. We have talked to a couple of brl members and brl does not support this kind of behavior. Good to see that this may just be 1 exploiting Mesmer instead of a guild/server supporting exploits.
I’m just happy this exploiter only accomplished to do so on paper keeps.

So with this logic is hitting through the door an exploit as well? I have even been piked through a door as well.

Seriously you’re complaining about us taking our own stuff back. stop being mad and remember it is only pixels.

If you dont see it as a problem then why did you tell your guildmates that you would just change tags from brl to fn once they confronted you about it while yet again exploiting a keep? Exactly. You can make all the excuses you want but you know rezzing through gates was not a game feature anet meant to put in or condones. And you are taking this mistake, anet has not been able to fix, to its limits. You can also claim how you have been killed through gates as if that was an issue but you instead use that to purposefully kill urself for yet another gate rezz. 3 keep attacks in a row we find you dead right on the gate when the gate breaks. To the rest of dr. Please dont follow this bad apples ways and try to make this a norm. Using these exploits can quickly get other servers to turn on you. Also realize dr did take this mesmers ports multiple times. I just hope your commander did not realize how daco was getting into those keeps.

Elestian.6134:

Daco.5847:

So with this logic is hitting through the door an exploit as well? I have even been piked through a door as well.

Seriously you’re complaining about us taking our own stuff back. stop being mad and remember it is only pixels.

I hope you don’t really fail to understand the difference. One is a limitation of the game, allowing ground target and melee skills with sufficient range to hit without line-of-sight. The other allows players to regain access to the innards of towers/keeps after their repair without having to go through the doors or walls or by using the portal of a living mesmer stashed inside, thus circumventing the entire gimmick of WvW—sieging.

That it’s “your own stuff” is not a valid defense.

As Dov touches on, I don’t think I’d really be all that bothered if Anet changed it such that these skills were obstructed. I imagine this would cause problems with clearly intended skill effects (that like of the ram mastery skill, Slam Impact) and would require more rework of mechanics than is currently on their schedule.

Exactly. This exploit would allow 2 mesmers to take any keep nearly instantly just by laying 1 dead mesmer at outer and inner gate. This would force literally 5+ players to sit there watching inner and 5 at outer gate to ensure you dont take the keep immediately.

Well AR.

Its Friday, and its safe to say we aren’t about to make a stunning comeback.

Depending on which of your recruitment threads is on the front page, you did/did not have transfers. Honestly it doesn’t matter if you had an oceanic crew or 40 people from Michigan willing to alarm clock raid us at 4AM. Either way there was nothing we could have done about the overnights.

However, From me to You all, You won during the day as well, and you won because we did not adapt to your very obvious tactics.

Regardless of why we lost, you guys won, and you did so by obviously having a plan and playing it through about Wednesday. Good job, and good plan. If I were able we would have gone ahead and returned the favor, because lets face it the one thing your plan would not have been good against was your plan. Because as we both knew, we can field a larger team during primetime with our fairweathers. Had we doubled down on your plan you would also have been paper, and honestly we probably could have kept the point totals high enough during the day to carry over.

Oh well.

Anyhow, Let GOM serve as a warning to you going forwards. Don’t lose your momentum. If you did not get WvW player transfers and did this on “momentum” then the next time you hit HOD you too will lose said momentum. Its inevitable.

That guys, is what happened to us. We were all expecting a breather and we couldn’t gut out another tough fought match. Fairweathers enter fractals when that happens.

But the one thing GOM knows, is we will field a strong force again next week and regardless of the matchup, we will garner respect for fighting hard. Its what we do. (usually)

Good luck next season. Don’t expect to be underestimated a 2nd time :p

-Mummies R Us

Easterbunny.6170:

Don’t expect to be underestimated a 2nd time :p

-Mummies R Us

This was the biggest advantage AR had the last 4 weeks, and I think AR knows that. It was the server that was supposed to be in last place. Absolutely no one we fought thought we were any threat. Most of us knew we would be weathering the storm every reset night, but it’s something we have become accustom to(our resets have always been fairly light). Put a few well placed oceanic players into the mix and some folks staying awake trying to complete a meta that should have been done weeks ago, and the result is what we have now. Coming off a tough match doesn’t help any Bronze Tier server either. All in all the match was well fought by everyone, so no complaints. GoM is a tough server, we knew that going in, and I don’t expect any less than a tough server in the future.
Good fights, good fun. We’ll see you on the battlefield.

Victory comes to the servers that want it and believe they can get it. Morale translates directly to numbers/coverage.

As far as I know, only one guild transferred(/returned) to AR. From what I’ve seen, the majority of our WvWing has been a pug army that we had until now simply failed to amass due to lack of interest. We hadn’t been doing well in the months leading up to the season, so people didn’t want to play. Like arKRazor says, it was a sort of positive feedback.

Things started to pick up around the start of the season, we had slightly more presence, performed a little better bit by bit (thanks in part to improved leadership and community), and it wasn’t until the last few weeks that our numbers of players (comparatively) shot up. It’s a welcome change of pace.

I have a question what is the difference between a mezzer inside, dead or alive and 3 thieves a warrior invise?

Reason why I am asking is we have had on numerios occasions thieves invise and rez the bodies of there friends that will not despawn because they know they have thieves cloaked.
If this is a exploit with a dead mezzer then why not with hidden thieves????

solution when keep is taken and flips to other color kick all the dead out?
You can not point the finger at just one guild for doing this because both sides do this.

Dovgan.8605:

Easterbunny.6170:

Don’t expect to be underestimated a 2nd time :p

-Mummies R Us

This was the biggest advantage AR had the last 4 weeks, and I think AR knows that. It was the server that was supposed to be in last place. Absolutely no one we fought thought we were any threat. Most of us knew we would be weathering the storm every reset night, but it’s something we have become accustom to(our resets have always been fairly light). Put a few well placed oceanic players into the mix and some folks staying awake trying to complete a meta that should have been done weeks ago, and the result is what we have now. Coming off a tough match doesn’t help any Bronze Tier server either. All in all the match was well fought by everyone, so no complaints. GoM is a tough server, we knew that going in, and I don’t expect any less than a tough server in the future.
Good fights, good fun. We’ll see you on the battlefield.

Sorry man, I can’t justify letting you call GoM a tough server. Not after this week.

We’ve lost matches before, but this is the first time I’ve ever seen us flat-out give up and roll over. Even during Kaineng bandwagon week where we lost by something like 300k points, we’d still pick a tower to defend against impossible odds and make them work their kittens off for it. This week, we refused to send even an extra person or two for a fortified garrison lord room defense against a 10-man DR group because “we were going to lose it later anyways.”

Can’t blame the fairweathers for this one. We were total garbage. Congrats to AR and DR for stellar play this week, but don’t call us a tough opponent until we prove that we still can be.

Danger:

The exploit isn’t a dead Mesmer inside, its a dead Mesmer OUTSIDE THE GATE that gets rezzed by someone inside, and therefor ends up inside instead of outside.

They are porting people through the door by having the guards kill them outside. Clearly not something that is supposed to happen.

The explanation that its the same as using a ground target to hit someone outside is, well, really silly.

Ground target, big circle, part of circle outside. Spell is AREA OF EFFECT not LINE OF SIGHT so people are hit.

Rezzing, must be in direct line of sight of player. This is the case 99% of the time except in certain places where you can “See” through a crack in the door. Basically, a badly drawn door section.

If you (the general you, not dangermous in particular) as a person cannot tell the difference you will do well in private banking when you grow up. They think money from heroin distributors is the same green as money from wheat farmers too.
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Taquito:

I am also having trouble swallowing the GOM attitude from weak 7. Not a typo.

I ended up capslock commanding just to get things moving at all this week, and we lost everything in the hour I took off for dinner. First time in my memory in the last 6 months since I joined GOM WvW where people went totally flat.

I refuse to believe that this one week defines us however.

Dangermouse.7950:

I have a question what is the difference between a mezzer inside, dead or alive and 3 thieves a warrior invise?

Reason why I am asking is we have had on numerios occasions thieves invise and rez the bodies of there friends that will not despawn because they know they have thieves cloaked.
If this is a exploit with a dead mezzer then why not with hidden thieves????

solution when keep is taken and flips to other color kick all the dead out?
You can not point the finger at just one guild for doing this because both sides do this.

Well to start stealth and rezing are game functions that are intended to work they way they do in this situation meaning Anet intend people to be able to stealth res by not making the revive ability unstealth you so it is working as intended

Why this isnt viewed as an exploit is because it take some not tons but some skill to permastealth res a dead mesmer also you can see the dead persons health bar rise when there being res’d also to permastealth you need to blast/leap through smoke fields which are visible red circles on the ground weather they are stealthed or not so you can find permastealth thiefs trying to hide.

Stoping this is simple if you see a mesmer not porting out of a keep/tower/SMC keep 2 or 3 people there with CC and if the life bar moves drop your CC near it with AoE circles as well if you sucessfully CC the thief chances are his stealth will drop for a second or 2 plenty of time to CC him again and smash his face

everybody gets a mulligan.

dr was pretty absent from last weeks matchup. actually had to hit b to see who we were playing again friday night at the force they brought (and our absence of ppl reset night), and have continued to bring through the week.

everybody needs a break from their escape from real life every now and then…

reset starts tonight, everybody starts @ 0 and we get to try to do it all over again

and there’s no season to compete for!

AR celebration party hosted by TFH. GREAT JOB EVERYONE! Its been a long fight and its been a hard fight. You all deserve it.

CornChips.5392:

AR celebration party hosted by TFH. GREAT JOB EVERYONE! Its been a long fight and its been a hard fight. You all deserve it.

Naked chicks….a main ingredient to any good party =D

i see sinema finally brought his ugly char necro back from blahzgate! gonna scare your fan base away w/ that thing mr reem grimes.

Thanks to everyone for the good fights, and especially my fellow yak hunters (those of you from DR and GoM who were cool enough to share yaks kills with me were especially awesome)!

Steve Whitley.8359:

i see sinema finally brought his ugly char necro back from blahzgate! gonna scare your fan base away w/ that thing mr reem grimes.

I was mistaken… foiled by guesting.