Guild Wars 2

As i said no fairplay expected, you are forum warriors not pleasant opponents.

So we will try our best to make the matchup unpleasant for you as long as it works that way.

I’m guessing pleasant opponents would be the ones that run into the keeps that you opened for them in order to keep a certain server from reaching T1.

Or the ones that bend over and acknowledge the tactical genius of alarm clocking?
The ones that respect you because , even tho you can’t fight, have the possibility to negate all efforts of an opposing server just by gathering a horde of zombies at times that no one is playing and wipe the map?

You are right. We are not pleasant opponents from that perspective.

Grok.6714:

I’m guessing pleasant opponents would be the ones that run into the keeps that you opened for them in order to keep a certain server from reaching T1.

Yes you’re right, SFR to Elona when the ladder reset has been announced? But in order to avoid T1.

What else but digging your own grave?

I’d prefer to be beaten by a server that uses the alarm clock, that shows a true dedication rather than by a server that uses a NA guild of 400 members to do the job.
After each war some things remain. For us it is the night crew. Don’t blame us for something that was set up because of yourself.

Looks like Elona cant keep up in T2.
Would be nice if we can stay longer in T1

Enjoying al the fights

you surely will next week.

Why the fuzz? Well as stated many times topics never change – I doubt that there is anything that could keep VS from T1 atleast for longer time. Not even if other 2 ally unless there is considerable shift in coverage – I am in awe truly how the hell they are able to have so good overall coverage for the day. It will keep them in the T1 and keep them dominating – has been so from the beginning and will remain so – they are unparaller to that both in EU & US servers.
Second to that VS has amount of good guilds and good focus/communication on essentials – which is getting the points. It builds the result – not open field battles or nothing else – as fun as they might be. there is rather common thing that there are 3 VS groups roaming in map – one for camps and 2 attacking opposite sides of the map -something you don’t see so often other servers to execute.
Thirdly they got common language – it makes e.g. using one common TS so much easier along with communication. EU is in that sense different to US servers, I would assume english is there a common first-spoken language but in EU – well I take SFR as an example since I play there – when you go to TS on a non-language server (french/german) you got dozens of different language speaking countries presented. It eases up communication for sure.
Have been little wondering why german-speaking don’t have a such super-server as french – dunno whether french have any help from countries like Canada where french is spoken quite a lot compared to germany being rather focused geographically in EU. Could be or could be that not.

With mentioned strenghts VS is here to stay. Naturally it feels good and cheerful whenever we are able to push them low on score – it never comes easy, we all boast like drunken norn at the party how enemies were countless and us so few (not counting the fact always that due to culling managing rules at the moment enemies are drawn first and allies later creating quite efficiently picture that enemies ALWAYS outnumber allies which I would claim is not necessarely always the case).

But I would assume we all (well ok, ok, most of us..) play it since it is fun to play – it is challenging and having 3 sides is a blast.
This is always amusing to read but since it hasn’t changed in 6 months and even though I do like RP spirit – reading same outbursts over and over again kinda kills the will to read these threads from all but those who enjoy repeating same thesis all the time.

How about listing on match-ups best guilds you seen on your own and opposing servers and why, having more screenshots from big clashes, videos, organizing those very interesting GvG matches (hell, why not even cup with bunch of guilds from each server) and so on…

At least I am getting thirsty for something else (aye, might be that the endless popcorn needed for reading this thread has caused but still…)

Oh and thanks for Deso from interesting night on SFR map and hills last night – I am not so much fan of a wall fights but had to say you were very good at choking the stairs and had a lot of laughs when counting the number of AoE fields on the ground.
Shame I didn’t remember to take screenies and pick up guild names, one group was at least something like GT…

Will try to remember next time.

cheers and fun for all in 3W,
Musta Surma
Guild leader of [Hovi], member of [RIP] alliance
SFR

Grok.6714:

I’m guessing pleasant opponents would be the ones that run into the keeps that you opened for them in order to keep a certain server from reaching T1.

Or the ones that bend over and acknowledge the tactical genius of alarm clocking?
The ones that respect you because , even tho you can’t fight, have the possibility to negate all efforts of an opposing server just by gathering a horde of zombies at times that no one is playing and wipe the map?

You are right. We are not pleasant opponents from that perspective.

Troll as much as you wish Grok, who cares ? Spit on us no problem, be ready for the boring matchups.

Troma.3250:

While i understand, as a gamer, it can be a little frustrating for people with regular hours to play, don’t start with the hiding thing. You know we don’t hide at all the evening, like i said in my previous post :

“Awesome bloody battle at SFR garrison west with LP+Fureur+Vizunians versus RG+few siN/VcY. I had a lot of fun.”

When yesterday afternoon we had not a lot of people and lost everything, did you see someone flame here? calling you nolife or something like this?

Again, please try to respect everyone. When you did it to Jade Sea for exemple, i dont think they called you “rats” too, boys =)

1. You only don’t hide when you can’t hide, you can’t hide when the fight is in lord room, can you? VS does rarely do any open field fights, when you get caught, you run, fights happen when you try to take something, and when you try to defend something that has no wall / gate left to stand behind. Ow yeah, and when you see 15 unprepared enemy to run over with your 40+ zerg.
Not gonna complain about it, perfect viable pure wvw playing for score type. But don’t deny it, don’t brag about it, and don’t whine about it when we point it out rightfully.

2. You guys didn’t complain? Heh, you did. Not as much though, because you know you will just do another alarm clock. That makes it pretty easy to not complain. We also knew that. And what do you expect, that we won’t try to undo your alarm clocking? You guys cannot accept a fair loss, and thus you resort to alarm clocking trying to get the edge. Don’t expect us to just sit and take that kitten from VS. Also you guys have been doing this since the start of the game, it is pretty normal you get more complaints about it, as it keeps going on and on.

You guys would have more fun in lower bracket where you could actually win some open field fights that you don’t greatly outnumber, creating horrendous lags, instead, you abuse a flawed scoring system to stay on top, creating a situation where there are 4 servers fighting for top tier, with 1 of the servers failing at open field fights, resorting to alarm clocking just to stay on top.

You are destroying at least a good part the fun for yourself, and for other servers. Just because you can’t take this as a game, and only play for the score.
I guess it must be some baked-in French mentality.

3. We didn’t do anything to Jade Sea, Jade Sea loved nightcapping / alarm clocking too, but were/are just not as consistent and strong as VS with that. So yeah, naturally we did our best to undo that. And then Piken came, with Spanish, thus negating JS nightcapping. And you will never see over +600 numbers (or even +500). VS just has no honour in this regard.

You are creating a negative environment with all this, on top of that it is the greatest possible display of disrespect, so please don’t talk as if you respect your opposing servers. You don’t even respect the game this way. You may say you respect your enemy, but the actions taken show differently.
Again, from a pure score and balance point of view, 3 servers could easily never fight eachother, just playing 8 different hours of the day, creating an equal match in score. Is anyone going to have fun like that though? Only those that care about world completion I guess.

It is up to Anet and community to find a way to make playing at any hour viable, but matchup results should also reflect effort. And atm, least effort create greatest reward, as ticking +600 simply means you had no opponent nor effort doing it.

Vizunah only alarm clocks when it’s needed – which is very rarely. They “naturally” have hundreds of players on the maps at every time of the day without the need to set things up – it’s just intrinsic coverage. Just check the scores’ graphs on friday mornings on weeks where Vizunah already has 50-60k+ advantage… they still cap at 400+ points, even in situations where it’s useless for the score. They simply have a truckload of WvW players, period.

Which is why it’s a bit ridiculous to talk about “dedication” about it, since they get it for free so to speak… but whatever.

Until one other EU server gets an influx of, at the very least, 100-150 WvW players who can cover every morning of the week during the 6-12AM period the current situation is never going to change.

Upperground.6849:

Troma.3250:

While i understand, as a gamer, it can be a little frustrating for people with regular hours to play, don’t start with the hiding thing. You know we don’t hide at all the evening, like i said in my previous post :

“Awesome bloody battle at SFR garrison west with LP+Fureur+Vizunians versus RG+few siN/VcY. I had a lot of fun.”

When yesterday afternoon we had not a lot of people and lost everything, did you see someone flame here? calling you nolife or something like this?

Again, please try to respect everyone. When you did it to Jade Sea for exemple, i dont think they called you “rats” too, boys =)

1. You only don’t hide when you can’t hide, you can’t hide when the fight is in lord room, can you? VS does rarely do any open field fights, when you get caught, you run, fights happen when you try to take something, and when you try to defend something that has no wall / gate left to stand behind. Ow yeah, and when you see 15 unprepared enemy to run over with your 40+ zerg.
Not gonna complain about it, perfect viable pure wvw playing for score type. But don’t deny it, don’t brag about it, and don’t whine about it when we point it out rightfully.

2. You guys didn’t complain? Heh, you did. Not as much though, because you know you will just do another alarm clock. That makes it pretty easy to not complain. We also knew that. And what do you expect, that we won’t try to undo your alarm clocking? You guys cannot accept a fair loss, and thus you resort to alarm clocking trying to get the edge. Don’t expect us to just sit and take that kitten from VS. Also you guys have been doing this since the start of the game, it is pretty normal you get more complaints about it, as it keeps going on and on.

You guys would have more fun in lower bracket where you could actually win some open field fights that you don’t greatly outnumber, creating horrendous lags, instead, you abuse a flawed scoring system to stay on top, creating a situation where there are 4 servers fighting for top tier, with 1 of the servers failing at open field fights, resorting to alarm clocking just to stay on top.

You are destroying at least a good part the fun for yourself, and for other servers. Just because you can’t take this as a game, and only play for the score.
I guess it must be some baked-in French mentality.

3. We didn’t do anything to Jade Sea, Jade Sea loved nightcapping / alarm clocking too, but were/are just not as consistent and strong as VS with that. So yeah, naturally we did our best to undo that. And then Piken came, with Spanish, thus negating JS nightcapping. And you will never see over +600 numbers (or even +500). VS just has no honour in this regard.

You are creating a negative environment with all this, on top of that it is the greatest possible display of disrespect, so please don’t talk as if you respect your opposing servers. You don’t even respect the game this way. You may say you respect your enemy, but the actions taken show differently.
Again, from a pure score and balance point of view, 3 servers could easily never fight eachother, just playing 8 different hours of the day, creating an equal match in score. Is anyone going to have fun like that though? Only those that care about world completion I guess.

It is up to Anet and community to find a way to make playing at any hour viable, but matchup results should also reflect effort. And atm, least effort create greatest reward, as ticking +600 simply means you had no opponent nor effort doing it.

stop trolling like this and matchup will be better

Qwixx.5923:

I’d prefer to be beaten by a server that uses the alarm clock, that shows a true dedication rather than by a server that uses a NA guild of 400 members to do the job.
After each war some things remain. For us it is the night crew. Don’t blame us for something that was set up because of yourself.

Are you kidding? This is just typical you are basically saying you prefer Pvd rather than having a proper fight. It’s laughable.

Every server has benefitted from Pvd, I am sure sfr did not have much opposition at night last week and we on deso have used it to our advantage in the past. But to prefer pvd than a server having an NA guild and therefore you having something to fight is really lame.

Viz should be wanting the other servers to get NA guilds so that you actaully have a challenge from 3 am to 12 the next day.

Kingface.9781:

Grok.6714:

I’m guessing pleasant opponents would be the ones that run into the keeps that you opened for them in order to keep a certain server from reaching T1.

Yes you’re right, SFR to Elona when the ladder reset has been announced? But in order to avoid T1.

What else but digging your own grave?

Totally different, we worked on ourselves to try drop, and it was a “battle” with ER (and VS actually) that we won.

You didn’t try to drop, or try to win, you tried to prevent another server from dropping (just like you actually tried to prevent us from dropping before).

Besides, it is not like you were neutral in our battle to drop, it was pretty clear you had full focus on ER capping their stuff, trying to prevent us from dropping that week. It was harder to lose that matchup than it was to win any previous. Anything we got capped was very hard to lose, even if nobody defended it.

Hey Magnus

just a thing man, why do you ask 100-150 people when we are 20-30? i played all morning since thoses days, and this is our exact numbers right now:

when u get into eb vs visnuah its awesome truckloads of badges and loot, even the npcs in orr got more brain and fight back.

so go for your points, go for superior tactics you will be still a fail night/morningcapserver be proud of it

shame sfr went up t1 again, t2 was awesome befor piken massexodus fun fights skilled players

enough trolling looking foreward to farm you vs boys again in eu primetime, last time i checked france is CET but maybe got changed

oruma.4092:

shame sfr went up t1 again, t2 was awesome befor piken massexodus fun fights skilled players

T2 wasn’t very fun the week before moving up. Jade Sea didn’t put up a fight and Piken was reorganizing.

So, no, it’s not a shame.

Hence why I said “the week before” :p It was always going to happen, if we hadn’t moved up it would have been terrible T2 fights this week.

We all hate the pvd points gain of viz.

But everyone slagging them off for being crap etc is completely unjustifiable. Viz are making a huge effort to come out and fight. They dont necessarily have the organisation to compete and so die alot, but in the past couple of weeks they never stop coming out to fight.

Think how demoralizing it must be getting wiped time and again, yet they get back up again and rinse repeat. so fair game to Viz.

Lol nice troll !

Always love nice friendly conversations in T1 topics. They wasn’t changed since first months.
In the meantime, I (and not just me), waiting patiently russian localization and russian national server. New server on the BT model with good old Xaoc-style “morning hammer”, restored system of morning-daytime shifts, and evening with a strong coordinated “tidal zergs” and raiding guilds, without the old shortcomings as fatigue due to lack of motivated recruits. This would help bring some new challenge into T1 and shake the French monopoly.
But in any case this does not happen in foreseeable future. Lazy Anet. sigh

Fanfaron.6109:

1st of all, lemme thank you Deso guilds, who give us good fights we looking for.
2nd, i miss tread with EU GvG contacts
Guilds from Deso, who interested fight against ZDs without being outmaned, feel free to contact me here via pm or in game.
We really enjoy fights vs FG, IRON, GH, GoD and other guilds and want more before reset.

sorry for bad english, hope u understand me correctly

Hey mate, FG will not be doing any GvG on primetime. We as a guild feel that it takes the slots of those who wish to WvW and as such will not do it. We are defiantly up for organizing any GvG past prime time though – If that is an option let me know.

Rednik.3809:

Always love nice friendly conversations in T1 topics. They wasn’t changed since first months.
In the meantime, I (and not just me), waiting patiently russian localization and russian national server. New server on the BT model with good old Xaoc-style “morning hammer”, restored system of morning-daytime shifts, and evening with a strong coordinated “tidal zergs” and raiding guilds, without the old shortcomings as fatigue due to lack of motivated recruits. This would help bring some new challenge into T1 and shake the French monopoly.
But in any case this does not happen in foreseeable future. Lazy Anet. sigh

Hmmm, old Blacktide vs new SFR…. would be some scheduling conflicts because of RG though, but the primetime fights would be madness

Jue.6493:

Fanfaron.6109:

1st of all, lemme thank you Deso guilds, who give us good fights we looking for.
2nd, i miss tread with EU GvG contacts
Guilds from Deso, who interested fight against ZDs without being outmaned, feel free to contact me here via pm or in game.
We really enjoy fights vs FG, IRON, GH, GoD and other guilds and want more before reset.

sorry for bad english, hope u understand me correctly

Hey mate, FG will not be doing any GvG on primetime. We as a guild feel that it takes the slots of those who wish to WvW and as such will not do it. We are defiantly up for organizing any GvG past prime time though – If that is an option let me know.

Very nice reasoning. Hope others guilds doing GvG will consider it this way aswell.

Very respectful.

/bow

Yes it is refreshing , respect for for showing the good example.

Jue.6493:

Hey mate, FG will not be doing any GvG on primetime. We as a guild feel that it takes the slots of those who wish to WvW and as such will not do it. We are defiantly up for organizing any GvG past prime time though – If that is an option let me know.

thank you for interest, i contact u in game then

It seems like we’ll have another week of fighting versus Desolation since Jade Sea is pushing so hard on Elona’s Reach. Yay for JS, keeping the T1 matchup even more awesome.

Did you fight IRON and GH in a GvG setting already, Fanfaron? How’d it go?

Troma.3250:

Hey Magnus

just a thing man, why do you ask 100-150 people when we are 20-30? i played all morning since thoses days, and this is our exact numbers right now:

Number of players in a chat channel shows nothing. I myself often play in WvW without being logged on a chat server, so I’d seldom show up in such a count.

Already had several discussions about this point. I really don’t want to argue again about this. Let me just say this: I don’t believe for a nanosecond you can get a cap of 600+ points (or even for that matter 450+) with 35 players, unless there is exactly ZERO players on all 4 maps from the other two servers. As soon as one of the other servers has even just 5 players on one map, you immediately need much more to keep your points.

In T1, as a rule, you always have a minimum amount of players at least in EB, so you’d need 30-35 players just to keep your own 1/3 of the EB map; then you’d need at least one more zerg to go cap the other 3 maps, plus scouts… especially now that swords don’t even appear anymore unless the enemy has 25 or more. And the more towers/keeps you hold, the more scouts you need to keep them; otherwise all you’d do is to cap a map then lose everything again as soon as you move to another map and a small group of even just 10 enemies enters the map you just left. 10 players can take an undefended keep in 5 minutes with a couple golems, if there’s no one to stop them, and nowadays you’d not even see swords appearing on the map.

Tl;dr: with 35 players, in T1, you just keep your portion of EB, and nothing else. With 65-70 you could keep your part of EB and go cap an empty map, but then you’d lose it as soon as you move out to another one. To reach 450+ points and KEEP THEM FOR HOURS, as Vizunah always does, you need as a bare minimum 150-200 players.

And all this without even taking into account what I saw with my own eyes on those rare occasions when I was able to play in the morning against Vizunah. Trying to take a tower in a borderland with 7-8 players and getting hit by a 30-men zerg while you had over 1/3 of EB and almost everything on the 3 other maps. 35 players total.. yeah right, you had 5 in EB defending against the other two groups of 30-40 players from the other two servers, right? Man, those 5 players sure have to be amazing.

Vizunah always morning caps at 400+, even in the days when it’s not needed because you’ve already won. This means you have hundreds of players whose natural play time is the morning, plain and simple. Nothing to be ashamed of… what’s annoying is your prolonged denial of this, and you complaining every time another server tries to achieve the same coverage and trying to stop them by inventing rules (“only EU players count, Arenanet block US players from coming here please!”), without even realizing that a better coverage from 2 other servers would make for better, more balanced and thus MORE FUN games instead of this crap where 99% of the matchups are already decided at the start of mondays after your first morning sweep.

the neverending pvd saga.

from VZ +600 @ 6am

not more than 10-15 SFR playes in whole www.

GG

Intigo.1653:

It seems like we’ll have another week of fighting versus Desolation since Jade Sea is pushing so hard on Elona’s Reach. Yay for JS, keeping the T1 matchup even more awesome.

Did you fight IRON and GH in a GvG setting already, Fanfaron? How’d it go?

Give us a week mate (hoepfully still be in t1) we are still organising our GvG team as this is quite new to us. Once sorted hopefully we can play 2/3 matches a week.

Believe what you want, especially if you think to have the truth.

I let Troma argues if he wants, even if it’s a lost battle.

But, above all, do not rethink things over. It will be a shame.

This will be the last time i argue for this thing, i do it since Far Shiverpeaks wars (6 months) and i’m really tired.

We. Were. Really.35. in the raid. There was 35 in the chan, and 20+ in EB. When you talk about 150-200 players in the morning, when i see the true numbers with my own eyes, man, how can i do more to make you understand?

I’m at the limit of telling too much about our orga, so i stop here… but please, listen a little. It’s like the canadian thing, i told you for months it wasn’t true.

Btw, it’s clear that SFR is a really good server, and have a strong guild organisation. they ticked more than us since 12h (gmt+1) and they are at 270 right now. Do we whine? no. We try to find a way to tick much in the afternoon instead going on forums and say “fakin seafarers, nolife no work, hate hate, bad word, hate”.

We have all the power to build a better global community. Do we want this game to go like WoW? sure no. And i talk for Vizunah haters too, you should shut your mouth a little

“All’s fair in love and war "

Alarm clocking, nighcapping, morning hammer, call for others timezone guilds … it’s just about motivation and willing to win. I will to win, we all will to win.
SFR gathered guilds form everywhere, double teamed with Désolation, all is fair.

This is war. Stop whining. a day, sooner or later, omeone, maybe SFr will take the #1, and so what ? who cares beside GW2 players ? Enjoy fights, play for fun (win is fun).

Zerg are boring, but it’s not VS who bring them to T1, we used to play in small warbands (10 to 20) … i don’t remember what’s the 1st server who used massive blobs, but i remember that takes us about 2 or 3 days to find a good way to manage them (mainly by doing massive blob as well :/ and trust me, i dislike it as well.)

I played that morning, that was a joke about the 40 golems, that was more 5 alphas and 2 omega with 40 ppl.

Troma.3250:

This will be the last time i argue for this thing, i do it since Far Shiverpeaks wars (6 months) and i’m really tired.

We. Were. Really.35. in the raid. There was 35 in the chan, and 20+ in EB. When you talk about 150-200 players in the morning, when i see the true numbers with my own eyes, man, how can i do more to make you understand?

I’m at the limit of telling too much about our orga, so i stop here… but please, listen a little. It’s like the canadian thing, i told you for months it wasn’t true

There is no way you can kniw how many players you have on all 3 maps not even on vabbi,but if you do have 55 in chat then u definately have at least double,Thanks for confirming what everybody else knows for months anyway,nothing new,move along.

However i do not understand what is all this defensive position about how many players you have in the morning.You will never convince anyone that you have very few players online and they actually cap everything with their superior skill since everyone can see what happens in primetime on equal numbers even if you guys have advantage of t3 keeps with waypoints and the enemy has paper towers.

Also even if you only have 55 guys the other servers have 5 to 10 spread across 3 maps with an average of 2-3 players per map.Mostly these players stay in EB and the bls have zero players and it’s been confirmed in endless ocasions.

Bottomline pvdoor against no opposition whatsoever.You have the abbility to do that ? yes.Yo have to lie about how many you guys bring against empty maps ?I really don’t see the reason so better please stop cuz no one cares.

Deso + sfr alliance ? Sorry.But imo we really should because when elona gets in t1 we all know your “superior tactics” mean.Open keeps for guys that can’t do that on their own.How pathetic.

When i have to boost people at lion’s arch in the morning, to help the commander to repack because we are 10 and the others everywhere, when i have to yell everywhere to make it work, sorry but i don’t want to read we are 200 ;o

“Also even if you only have 55 guys the other servers have 5 to 10 spread across 3 maps with an average of 2-3 players per map”

no, no and no. This morning we fought versus VcY+OPT+ others guilds, you can ask them (epic battle at SFR bay with trebs). We were equal numbers, i even had a whisp with a VcY members. They were 25-30 on SFR map, and a upT raidleader + SFR pug who took our bay while.

Please, come on the battleground before crafting numbers yourself

Troma.3250:

This will be the last time i argue for this thing, i do it since Far Shiverpeaks wars (6 months) and i’m really tired.

We. Were. Really.35. in the raid. There was 35 in the chan, and 20+ in EB. When you talk about 150-200 players in the morning, when i see the true numbers with my own eyes, man, how can i do more to make you understand?

I’m at the limit of telling too much about our orga, so i stop here… but please, listen a little. It’s like the canadian thing, i told you for months it wasn’t true.

Btw, it’s clear that SFR is a really good server, and have a strong guild organisation. they ticked more than us since 12h (gmt+1) and they are at 270 right now. Do we whine? no. We try to find a way to tick much in the afternoon instead going on forums and say “fakin seafarers, nolife no work, hate hate, bad word, hate”.

We have all the power to build a better global community. Do we want this game to go like WoW? sure no. And i talk for Vizunah haters too, you should shut your mouth a little

Good:) We make a PuG GvG deal then? We all make lvl1 chars and go no gear just weapon equiped and fight behind victor’s lodge:) SFR brings 30 Deso brings 30 and VS brings 30 and winner gets a pen pal from Canada yes?:)

Rules: All parcitipants from all servers must bring own booze and come SFR Community TS and we all stay on same channel and fight over music bot selection choice while clubbering each other in -game.

graverr.6473:

There is no way you can kniw how many players you have on all 3 maps not even on vabbi,but if you do have 55 in chat then u definately have at least double.Thanks for confirming what everybody else knows for months anyway,nothing new,move along.

I can turn the question back to you: how do you or anyone else know how many people we have on the 3 maps? where these numbers of 150-200 come from?

It’s not because you think you can’t yourself do it with less than this amount that other people can’t aswell. Get back on Earth, you don’t have the truth.

And confirming what? That you do know absolutely nothing of what you’re talking about? Yes, one more time we do.

Just spotted a big SFR blob on Deso bl.
Dont get it.. you are so close 2 Vizu, they have a green home border and you go to Deso?

About the golem rush VZ does every morning… They are around 30-40 in the “golem team”. i play 2 euro mornings in the week and they are always around that number.

And about the ‘alliance’…come on. Same thing as the french canadians…bullkitten

It’s clear that there is no SFR/DESO alliance. It was just some focus in some situation this week-end.

MagnusLL.8473:

Tl;dr: with 35 players, in T1, you just keep your portion of EB, and nothing else. With 65-70 you could keep your part of EB and go cap an empty map, but then you’d lose it as soon as you move out to another one. To reach 450+ points and KEEP THEM FOR HOURS, as Vizunah always does, you need as a bare minimum 150-200 players.

If you have organized guild, 80-90 enough for keeping 3 borderlands until arrival morning-daytime shifts. 10 ppl per map after capping and littering with siege (5 ppl party for camp defense, 1 commander, 4-6 mapwatchers for keeps and towers), and 40-50+ ppl in mobile “firefight zerg”. Common BT tactic.

Troma.3250:

When i have to boost people at lion’s arch in the morning, to help the commander to repack because we are 10 and the others everywhere, when i have to yell everywhere to make it work, sorry but i don’t want to read we are 200 ;o

“Also even if you only have 55 guys the other servers have 5 to 10 spread across 3 maps with an average of 2-3 players per map”

no, no and no. This morning we fought versus VcY+OPT+ others guilds, you can ask them (epic battle at SFR bay with trebs). We were equal numbers, i even had a whisp with a VcY members. They were 25-30 on SFR map, and a upT raidleader + SFR pug who took our bay while.

Please, come on the battleground before crafting numbers yourself

you’re actually saying you managed to tick for 600 with VCY and OPT playing there with simillar numbers?

Mortix.9725:

Troma.3250:

When i have to boost people at lion’s arch in the morning, to help the commander to repack because we are 10 and the others everywhere, when i have to yell everywhere to make it work, sorry but i don’t want to read we are 200 ;o

“Also even if you only have 55 guys the other servers have 5 to 10 spread across 3 maps with an average of 2-3 players per map”

no, no and no. This morning we fought versus VcY+OPT+ others guilds, you can ask them (epic battle at SFR bay with trebs). We were equal numbers, i even had a whisp with a VcY members. They were 25-30 on SFR map, and a upT raidleader + SFR pug who took our bay while.

Please, come on the battleground before crafting numbers yourself

you’re actually saying you managed to tick for 600 with VCY and OPT playing there with simillar numbers?

No.

Tick 600+ was on the early morning. The fight against VcY and Opt a few just before noon.

No, i’m talking about after 9am morning gmt+1. For the 600 tick, yes, you were outnumbered. Thats why like i said previously, i can understand it can be frustrating

9pm is not morning,it’s evening.

Offski.4897:

They dont necessarily have the organisation to compete and so die alot, but in the past couple of weeks they never stop coming out to fight.

Think how demoralizing it must be getting wiped time and again, yet they get back up again and rinse repeat. so fair game to Viz.

I just remember the IRON vs WL GvG streaming….and how, you guys, have been perfectly defeated (8-2, right ? :p). So, please don’t speak about your “epic open- field skillz”, you’re just ridiculous.

Regards.

PS: and it’s not necessary to taunt me about my own guild. We don’t play in the same category. (only 3 day/week for us)

Are we still being trolled because we play WvW instead of GvG ?

basjubowe.1024:

Offski.4897:

They dont necessarily have the organisation to compete and so die alot, but in the past couple of weeks they never stop coming out to fight.

Think how demoralizing it must be getting wiped time and again, yet they get back up again and rinse repeat. so fair game to Viz.

I just remember the IRON vs WL GvG streaming….and how, you guys, have been perfectly defeated (8-2, right ? :p). So, please don’t speak about your “epic open- field skillz”, you’re just ridiculous.

Regards.

PS: and it’s not necessary to taunt me about my own guild. We don’t play in the same category. (only 3 day/week for us)

Iron actually said they were outplayed there. was 4-2 iirc.

But after that we haven’t faced them in wvw anymore. The rest of the fights we had against vizunah were nice but we never really wiped unless we faced MoS with 60+ with tons of skill lag.

But i’ve said it before – Viz is a great server, they are getting better and better in openfield fights – but not really cutting it yet against Deso (asfar as i can see on Deso borderlands and last week in other borderlands aswell) But if you guys keep it up you will really get there!

Oeps Rolls Necro.2594:

Just spotted a big SFR blob on Deso bl.
Dont get it.. you are so close 2 Vizu, they have a green home border and you go to Deso?

Muhahahah…. Iron talking about blobs? Really?
Desolation border…Evening 06.03.2013
The whole Deso map runing as one HUGE blob (insane skill lags included).
First raid of ZDs (28 ppl) had fun with you, and ZDs second raid (25 ppl) just fighting at Hills vs Vz and took objectives.
And yes, video will be soon!

PS. Please, Iron, don’t talk about Sfr or Vz blobbing anymore!
PPS. If you are so strong openfield combatants, let’s make a GvG. Equal numbers in both teams will reveal the truth! / No offence

Teo Lastword.7983:

Oeps Rolls Necro.2594:

Just spotted a big SFR blob on Deso bl.
Dont get it.. you are so close 2 Vizu, they have a green home border and you go to Deso?

Muhahahah…. Iron talking about blobs? Really?

Did ORN complain about blob? I don’t think so. He is only surprised about SFR tactics, thats all.

Reading post twice might help. Cheers.

Teo Lastword.7983:

Muhahahah…. Iron talking about blobs? Really?
Desolation border…Evening 06.03.2013

PS. Please, Iron, don’t talk about Sfr or Vz blobbing anymore!

Maybe it helps when you look at the time my post was? 3 pm euro.
SFR are talking the whole week about getting Vizu.

If you have that numbers in EU afternoon… Get vizu not deso if you want to be nr1.
But sure, we will fight. And vizu keep capping while we fight.

And about numbers now. I counted 42 iron in TS. We got people guarding, supply capping and scouting. And we where running with 2 groups.
But what do you expect? ZD OPT and RG after IRON… Hmmz let split up?

About the gvg. Im not the 1 in IRON who say yes. But im hoping for it.
We only can learn from it.
We need some more practice, its new for us. And if im correct you had your practice rounds already.

There is a world of difference between fighting Viz and Deso.

With Des you know you’ve been in a fight. With Viz all of a sudden theres just a lot of bags around your feet.