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I’d rather have adrenline eat enemies boon’s, each bar removes 1 boon so we can remove 3 boons when adrenline full, much beter solution then the boon hate trait.

Uhh… that sounds lazy.

I’d rather gaining adrenaline do something, and converting would allow us to be countered by other classes easier and give us a chance against other classes as well, its a win-win.

Ebel.2650:

I’d rather have adrenline eat enemies boon’s, each bar removes 1 boon so we can remove 3 boons when adrenline full, much beter solution then the boon hate trait.

Converting a boon would give the warrior its own strength and something unique that the other classes don’t have, but the warrior can get. It would also help greatly in SPVP.

+1

Sounds like a solid suggestion to me. Not the OP stuff you usually read in the forums.

Ebel.2650:

I’d rather have adrenline eat enemies boon’s, each bar removes 1 boon so we can remove 3 boons when adrenline full, much beter solution then the boon hate trait.

Sounds like a good idea for a replacement greatsword burst skill, with a bit of tweaking if needed.

Sound as a dollar pound idea

Serdoc.7261:

Sound as a dollar pound idea

What does that mean?

Teamkiller.4315:

Also warriors have no business converting conditions to boons.

Tell that to the Warhorn….

I hope developers consider this idea.

I hope so too, this is one of the best ideas to increase our sustainability I’ve see so far.

+1

Traits:

Juggernaut’s Tenacity
Grandmaster Trait, Strength tree.
Healing received on skill activation, heals intensify the closer to death you are.
100%-70%: 10 + (1 * Level) + (0.02 * Healing Power)
70%-33%: 20 + (2 * Level) + (0.033 * Healing Power)
33%-0%: 30 + (3 * Level) + (0.045 * Healing Power)

Indomitable
Grandmaster, Defense Tree.
Convert a condition into a boon when you gain a bar of adrenaline.

Adrenal Sustain
Grandmaster, Arms Tree
Gain health when you gain a strike of adrenaline.

Empowered Defenses
25: Tactics.
Stolen or removed boons are immediately reapplied and doubled at there current duration.

Enduring Adrenaline
15: Tactics
Gain a small amount of endurance (5-10 out of 100.) when you gain a strike of adrenaline.

Determined Revival
5: Tactics
Gain 25% damage reduction while reviving an ally.
Increases revive speed by 25%.

Thick Skin
5: Defense
Increases healing power for each condition you have, this bonus magnifies the closer you are to death.
100%-70%: 50 Healing power per unique condition.
70%-33%: 70 Healing power per unique condition.
33%-0%: 100 Healing power per unique condition.

Adrenal Health
Regenerate health based on adrenaline level.
1 bar: heals 80 + (0.8 * Healing Power) per second
2 bar: heals 100 + (0.1 * Healing Power) per second
3 bar: heals 120 + (0.12 * Healing Power) per second

I am hoping they are reading. We need balance changes next patch at least.

Daecollo.9578:

Traits:

Juggernaut’s Tenacity
Grandmaster Trait, Strength tree.
Healing received on skill activation, heals intensify the closer to death you are.
100%-70%: 10 + (1 * Level) + (0.02 * Healing Power)
70%-33%: 20 + (2 * Level) + (0.033 * Healing Power)
33%-0%: 30 + (3 * Level) + (0.045 * Healing Power)

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Indomitable
Grandmaster, Defense Tree.
Convert a condition into a boon when you gain a bar of adrenaline.

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Adrenal Sustain
Grandmaster, Arms Tree
Gain health when you gain a strike of adrenaline.

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Empowered Defenses
25: Tactics.
Stolen or removed boons are immediately reapplied and doubled at there current duration.

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Enduring Adrenaline
15: Tactics
Gain a small amount of endurance (5-10 out of 100.) when you gain a strike of adrenaline.

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Determined Revival
5: Tactics
Gain 25% damage reduction while reviving an ally.
Increases revive speed by 25%.

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Thick Skin
5: Defense
Increases healing power for each condition you have, this bonus magnifies the closer you are to death.
100%-70%: 50 Healing power per unique condition.
70%-33%: 70 Healing power per unique condition.
33%-0%: 100 Healing power per unique condition.

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Adrenal Health
Regenerate health based on adrenaline level.
1 bar: heals 80 + (0.8 * Healing Power) per second
2 bar: heals 100 + (0.1 * Healing Power) per second
3 bar: heals 120 + (0.12 * Healing Power) per second

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There are some nice ideas but a few of them are too strong.

1. Sounds good to me but I’m not sure about those numbers. I would need to see it ingame.

2. Needs an ICD otherwise you can abuse the trait with adrenaline based builds.

3. Good trait but the heal shouldn’t be too strong because of the reason mentioned above.

4. Double duration is way too good for a minor trait. Even for a major trait this would be really strong considering the current meta is all about boons.

5. Good trait.

6. Useless for roaming builds, OP for team fights. Combined with boons (which you would be able to steal with one of your suggestions) and the high armor/HP you would be an invincible “revive-machine”. I would much rather see a complete rework.

7. Sounds good. Not sure about the exact numbers (they seem a little high against condition builds) but I am too lazy to check that right now.

8. Can’t say if OP or not since you didn’t mention what kind of trait it is.

Daecollo.9578:

I am hoping they are reading. We need balance changes next patch at least.

Not gonna happen. The next patch is for bug fixes, not balancing.

The problem it, it already has an internal cool-down, 10s and only if you hit with burst, otherwise its another 10 seconds.

papaganoosh.7908:

Teamkiller.4315:

Also warriors have no business converting conditions to boons.

Tell that to the Warhorn….

Too bad it does little, but hey it beats a blank.

Daecollo.9578:

The problem it, it already has an internal cool-down, 10s and only if you hit with burst, otherwise its another 10 seconds.

Some weapons/builds gain adrenaline very fast, so you’ll be filling up your bars before each burst cd is up. That’d lead to 3 conditions/10sec.

Navzar.2938:

Daecollo.9578:

The problem it, it already has an internal cool-down, 10s and only if you hit with burst, otherwise its another 10 seconds.

Some weapons/builds gain adrenaline very fast, so you’ll be filling up your bars before each burst cd is up. That’d lead to 3 conditions/10sec.

If everything goes right in the world, your enemy stands still and lets you hit them. (I can’t do that very often.) Its actually hard to gain adrenaline in real pvp combat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtdy__Pe0pE look at 9:00 minutes into the fight for basic confirm, hes actually using traits to gain adrenaline too as you can see, its not as fast as that, it does not need an internal cooldown because it has a cooldown already, several actually.
This is an example of real pvp combat with a good warrior in charge, you notice it takes 6-7-11 real seconds to fill a bar when you don’t have instant cast things to do it. If your just using your burst and actually spending time to fill your bar, it takes a lot longer. However most just fill it and use it for buffs.

There is also that “2” second delay after you use a burst where you still have full adrenaline, THEN it allows you to use it.

Its not automaticly curing conditions every 10 seconds, your actually FIGHTING and trying to get the burst in.

It sounds like that on paper, but in reality it takes a good while to actually gain a bar in real combat, unless you use stances/signet of precision/healing surge, but then again your wasting slots on a toolbar defensively for a benefit instead of using them offensively or when you need to, its risk+reward.

Great. So we should expect a weak version 1 year into the future… kinda like it took us 8 months to get Dogged March. Or maybe they’ll put it 30 pts deep in tactics so you lose damage and can either heal or remove conditions… kinda like putting Destruction of the Empowered 30 pts deep into Discipline so you have to sacrifice static damage to get situational damage… damage of a level that doesn’t even greatly surpass the sacrificed static damage in most situations. I smell confusion.

Well this thread might get a little more attention from the Devs now thats it’s been moved to suggestions. All we need to do is keep discussing it to keep it on the first couple pages.

Like bumping it every few hours?

They aren’t very fond of just bumping. I got warned about not having any content in my posts. As long as you add something to the topic they don’t mind.

Daecollo.9578:

Navzar.2938:

Daecollo.9578:

The problem it, it already has an internal cool-down, 10s and only if you hit with burst, otherwise its another 10 seconds.

Some weapons/builds gain adrenaline very fast, so you’ll be filling up your bars before each burst cd is up. That’d lead to 3 conditions/10sec.

If everything goes right in the world, your enemy stands still and lets you hit them. (I can’t do that very often.) Its actually hard to gain adrenaline in real pvp combat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtdy__Pe0pE look at 9:00 minutes into the fight for basic confirm, hes actually using traits to gain adrenaline too as you can see, its not as fast as that, it does not need an internal cooldown because it has a cooldown already, several actually.
This is an example of real pvp combat with a good warrior in charge, you notice it takes 6-7-11 real seconds to fill a bar when you don’t have instant cast things to do it. If your just using your burst and actually spending time to fill your bar, it takes a lot longer. However most just fill it and use it for buffs.

There is also that “2” second delay after you use a burst where you still have full adrenaline, THEN it allows you to use it.

Its not automaticly curing conditions every 10 seconds, your actually FIGHTING and trying to get the burst in.

It sounds like that on paper, but in reality it takes a good while to actually gain a bar in real combat, unless you use stances/signet of precision/healing surge, but then again your wasting slots on a toolbar defensively for a benefit instead of using them offensively or when you need to, its risk+reward.

I wasn’t basing it on how it looks on paper. I said some weapon/build combinations. Sure if you take your time filling your bar it will take time, that’s just obvious, but just basing things off of the unboosted rate you’d gain adrenaline at is bad. Why would you skip out on basic abilities that let you fill it up faster? As you said, keeping adrenaline high is beneficial for passive boosts, but burst skills are also nice. So it makes sense to want to burst and refill the bar quickly.

Also keep in mind, you can wep swap to burst more if you really wanted too, so it’s actually lower than 10 sec cd to remove adren (wep swap traits obviously help).
Anyway, even if they did add a cooldown to it, it’d probably be something low like 1 condition/5sec, or 2cond/10sec so you can’t burst cleanse conditions easily.

Warrior’s need more sustain, and I think this is a perfect idea. Many others agree.

You did it, Daecollo.9578, YOU DID IT!
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/upcoming-skill-and-trait-changes/

This idea is brilliant, it promotes the use of burst skills and rewards warriors for staying in the thick of the fight, which the class should always love to do.