Please listen to the WvW comunity
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It makes sick reading most of these comments who don’t want to fight enemies in WvW.
You wanna say we destroyed your game mode? Ok, well thanks for turning WvW into another regular PvE map.
The bigger the Blob, the less your personal skill counts towards the victory. If you want to be proud of your PvP Skills (talking about all those GvG Guilds), dont throw 30 man blobs at each other. Go into sPvP and fight 5v5 Customs or if 5v5 is too small for your Guilds taste, go to OS and fight 8v8 GW1 Style or 10v10 or whatever.
In those places you don’t interrupt the flow of the WvW Matchup of your Server with taking 30 Spots of People that care about the score instead of useless killing.
I’ve been a solo roamer for the last 2 years, running around a map killing people is what I do… I don’t know why people think it doesn’t help, but the commanders I report zerg movements too seem to like the info, I think the word is scout. And I think scouts were a huge part of warfare in medieval times, so was raiding and killing people.
Do you go to maccas for a salad or go to a brothel for a hug? Then why come to WvW and treat it like another PvE boss train? There is already like 30 maps for that.
It makes 0 sense why you would go to an open world pvp area and say things like “we dont want to fight, only PPT”, That’s essentially saying “I’m only here to fight tower lords and if 1 person tries to kill us for taking the tower or a guild wipes our group then they are bad and interrupt WvW flow”… SERIOUSLY!!!!???
I’m also going to point out, that scouts and small roaming groups help a hell of a lot more than you think, it’s the scouts and small groups who rock up to Ogrewatch and ballista all the siege down before telling comm it’s clear and easy to take before we move onto the next tower to ninja or we sit between enemy spawn and our pugmander to fight off enemies which essentially means less resistance for those people who “don’t want to fight”.
It’s mostly the scouts running around upgrading stuff, it’s mostly the scouts sieging things, it’s mostly the guild groups who switch maps to defend things and it’s mostly the scouts who make call outs and switch maps for help.Now in light of all the help these people provide for killing stuff for you, are you still willing to say they interrupt WvW flow and don’t contribute? I’m sure guild groups wouldn’t mind watching 10 people zerg bust your 30 uplevels as you try and take a tower, would you then rage at them for not helping? Or are you gonna get angry you dont have these guardian angels on map for you anymore because you chased em all off to support your carebare embroided bag addiction?
You misunderstood me. I have no Problem with People roaming around and killing Stuff. What I have Problems with are these “Hey Guild X, let’s meet at Stonemist for a 30v30 GvG Match”-People that Clog up the WvW Seats for their stupid Honor Battles. A Guild roaming around and sieging Towers is playing WvW and totally fine with me. A Guild coordinating with an Enemy Guild to have glorified structured PvP is NOT playing WvW and totally not fine with me. Those People take the spots of the ones that roaming Guilds that Siege Towers etc. They can do their Honor Battles in Obs or wait for Guild Halls.
From what i´ve seen so far this maps is kind of EOTM 2.0 which highly encourages zerging. I am a bit concerned what small roaming groups will be able to do there with all the crazy buffs objectives gonna get.
Mondsucht [MS] – Kodash
The bigger the Blob, the less your personal skill counts towards the victory. If you want to be proud of your PvP Skills (talking about all those GvG Guilds), dont throw 30 man blobs at each other. Go into sPvP and fight 5v5 Customs or if 5v5 is too small for your Guilds taste, go to OS and fight 8v8 GW1 Style or 10v10 or whatever.
In those places you don’t interrupt the flow of the WvW Matchup of your Server with taking 30 Spots of People that care about the score instead of useless killing.
Unfortunately Anet forces GvG interested guilds to do exactly that because until now they denied them a place where they can participate in large organized fights without beeing disturbed by others. SPvP is like we all know a 5vs5 which is not suitable for GvG´s which starts usually around 15vs15. Obisdian Sanctum is also not suitable because OS is full of trolls. So if you go there with your guild you can be 100% sure that some trolls will somehow disturb the fight you have there and because OS is one big Arena you also can´t avoid them.
I see where you coming from and to a distinct you are right GvG´s does not help WvW in terms of points but at the moment there is no other way and that´s not the fault of these Guilds, it´s Anets fault at not implementing something that has demanded by the GvG community for a long time.
Mondsucht [MS] – Kodash
The bigger the Blob, the less your personal skill counts towards the victory. If you want to be proud of your PvP Skills (talking about all those GvG Guilds), dont throw 30 man blobs at each other. Go into sPvP and fight 5v5 Customs or if 5v5 is too small for your Guilds taste, go to OS and fight 8v8 GW1 Style or 10v10 or whatever.
In those places you don’t interrupt the flow of the WvW Matchup of your Server with taking 30 Spots of People that care about the score instead of useless killing.
Unfortunately Anet forces GvG interested guilds to do exactly that because until now they denied them a place where they can participate in large organized fights without beeing disturbed by others. SPvP is like we all know a 5vs5 which is not suitable for GvG´s which starts usually around 15vs15. Obisdian Sanctum is also not suitable because OS is full of trolls. So if you go there with your guild you can be 100% sure that some trolls will somehow disturb the fight you have there and because OS is one big Arena you also can´t avoid them.
I see where you coming from and to a distinct you are right GvG´s does not help WvW in terms of points but at the moment there is no other way and that´s not the fault of these Guilds, it´s Anets fault at not implementing something that has demanded by the GvG community for a long time.
This might sound harsh, but it is not meant to insult you: You complain about Trolls in Obs interfering with your GvG. But “trolling” the WvW by not doing anything to help the Server win is fine?
The Troll Problem is easily fixed. Bring a few “Guards” to your GvG. If People come into the Arena to watch, that’s fine and no Problem. If they start trolling your GvG, you mow them down and let the “Guards” prevent them from entering the Arena again.
This might sound harsh, but it is not meant to insult you: You complain about Trolls in Obs interfering with your GvG. But “trolling” the WvW by not doing anything to help the Server win is fine?
This is not trolling because they don´t intend to disturb WvW it´s just that there is no other way at the moment to organize these kind of fights. That´s a difference in intention. It might disturb you but at least everybody paid for that game the same way and the guilds have the same right to play as they want as you have.
The Troll Problem is easily fixed. Bring a few “Guards” to your GvG. If People come into the Arena to watch, that’s fine and no Problem. If they start trolling your GvG, you mow them down and let the “Guards” prevent them from entering the Arena again.
Well i don´t know if you have been in the OS yet or if you participated in GvG´s. First, Guards don´t help at all. In GW2 there is an insane amount of stealth, so the guards if you bring some don´t see those people coming in early enough.
Second, even if they manage to get one and kill him, it takes 30 seconds to come back because OS is so small.
So the only way to solve that problem for both parties is that Guilds can have an area where they can fight without beeing disturbed and without disturbing WvW in general. I don´t know if Guild Halls in HoT will have this but i have read somewhere that you can build something inside where you can fight.
Mondsucht [MS] – Kodash
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This might sound harsh, but it is not meant to insult you: You complain about Trolls in Obs interfering with your GvG. But “trolling” the WvW by not doing anything to help the Server win is fine?
This is not trolling because they don´t intend to disturb WvW it´s just that there is no other way at the moment to organize these kind of fights. That´s a difference in intention. It might disturb you but at least everybody paid for that game the same way and the guilds have the same right to play as they want as you have.
The Troll Problem is easily fixed. Bring a few “Guards” to your GvG. If People come into the Arena to watch, that’s fine and no Problem. If they start trolling your GvG, you mow them down and let the “Guards” prevent them from entering the Arena again.
Well i don´t know if you have been in the OS yet or if you participated in GvG´s. First, Guards don´t help at all. In GW2 there is an insane amount of stealth, so the guards if you bring some don´t see those people coming in early enough.
Second, even if they manage to get one and kill him, it takes 30 seconds to come back because OS is so small.
I was more often in the OS when it was still part of the EB. Whenever i am there now (normally i don’t have a reason to be) there is noone there, not a single Person. Stealth might be a Problem, but you can bring Rangers and Engineers to reveal them. It is quite a corridor to the Arena IIRC so it is hard to avoid the revealing AoE-Spam from the Engineer. If the time is a Problem for you, move the GvG to the platform below the End Chest, has quite a bit of Space and if you kill a Troll there, it takes more than 30 seconds to come back and it might not be worth it for him to come back.
You still have the Option to move to EotM and look for a nice GvG Place, there noone cares about the Points.
About your right to play how you want: Sure you GvGers can play how you want, AS LONG as you don’t disturb the flow of the WvW and not handicap your Server. And by the way, what is more likely? That a Troll disturbs your GvG in Obs into unplayability or that a Zerg comes by your GvG at Stonemist and mows you all down?
I was more often in the OS when it was still part of the EB. Whenever i am there now (normally i don’t have a reason to be) there is noone there, not a single Person. Stealth might be a Problem, but you can bring Rangers and Engineers to reveal them. It is quite a corridor to the Arena IIRC so it is hard to avoid the revealing AoE-Spam from the Engineer.
So you have to bring people for the GvG and you have to organize guards plus you can´t control the trolls of your own server because you can´t do anything about them. Seriously ?
You still have the Option to move to EotM and look for a nice GvG Place, there noone cares about the Points.
GvG´s is something you don´t look for mate, it´s something you organize with your opponents so it does not happen “by accident” which pretty much rules EOTM out.
About your right to play how you want: Sure you GvGers can play how you want, AS LONG as you don’t disturb the flow of the WvW and not handicap your Server.
You can hate GvG´ers all day if you want, they are part of the WvW community as you are whether you accept that or not. And the argument that they handicap the server is a bit flawed to be honest. GvG´s if not perma disturbed by trolls last 1h to 1,5h after that most guilds participate in WvW if not by siegeing then in wiping out enemy zergs.
And by the way, what is more likely? That a Troll disturbs your GvG in Obs into unplayability or that a Zerg comes by your GvG at Stonemist and mows you all down?
To be honest that trolls disturb you GvG in OBS is a gurantee. I am not sure about stonemist because i think nobody is that kittened to do a GvG there. The GvG´s i participated in used to be on the regular borderlands where the windmill is.
Mondsucht [MS] – Kodash
I was more often in the OS when it was still part of the EB. Whenever i am there now (normally i don’t have a reason to be) there is noone there, not a single Person. Stealth might be a Problem, but you can bring Rangers and Engineers to reveal them. It is quite a corridor to the Arena IIRC so it is hard to avoid the revealing AoE-Spam from the Engineer.
So you have to bring people for the GvG and you have to organize guards plus you can´t control the trolls of your own server because you can´t do anything about them. Seriously ?
You still have the Option to move to EotM and look for a nice GvG Place, there noone cares about the Points.
GvG´s is something you don´t look for mate, it´s something you organize with your opponents so it does not happen “by accident” which pretty much rules EOTM out.
About your right to play how you want: Sure you GvGers can play how you want, AS LONG as you don’t disturb the flow of the WvW and not handicap your Server.
You can hate GvG´ers all day if you want, they are part of the WvW community as you are whether you accept that or not. And the argument that they handicap the server is a bit flawed to be honest. GvG´s if not perma disturbed by trolls last 1h to 1,5h after that most guilds participate in WvW if not by siegeing then in wiping out enemy zergs.
And by the way, what is more likely? That a Troll disturbs your GvG in Obs into unplayability or that a Zerg comes by your GvG at Stonemist and mows you all down?
To be honest that trolls disturb you GvG in OBS is a gurantee. I am not sure about stonemist because i think nobody is that kittened to do a GvG there. The GvG´s i participated in used to be on the regular borderlands where the windmill is.
Of course you can do things against the Trolls on your Server, you have an Enemy in that GvG, let them organize Guards aswell. Yours take care of their Trolls and their Guards take care of your Trolls. It might suck but that is a price you have to pay to organize something that is not supported by the Developers.
If it is your right to misuse the WvW Map for GvG that doesn’t contribute in the slightest to the WvW Matchup, i guess it is the right of every single WvW Player to jump in and attack all the Red Names, because they are Enemies and killing them is an objective in WvW. I mean if you insist on sitting on the WvW map and refuse to go to places where you don’t handicap the Server, you have to expect being hit by a Treb every now and then, or being attacked by the other Servers. They are not Trolls, they are playing how WvW is meant to be played.
Why has this devolved into a GvG argument when the point of the thread was criticising the new Desert Borderlands?
On topic, I like most of the design of the new map but:
- Some of the keep/tower designs make defending really easy and sieging really hard.
- New champ lords are challenging but honestly some of the veterans seem a bit stronger than they should be.
- Those new Banners are way too strong (an internal icd should be placed on the banner for a start just like how siege is).
- Map also seems a bit too big but I haven’t actually played with a proper zerg yet.
Exactly why i said the fight guilds cause server instability, is because of this. WvW isnt GvG. Thanks to the ANET people for coming up with GvG portion so we can be rid of people who think they are the lifeblood of WvW but does very little WvW-ing themselves. (read: wvw isnt just fighting blob vs blob)
After that, GvG arena is out, we can build a stable and proper WvW community that cares about something else apart from getting fights. :p
I’m sorry but… what’s the point of upgrading a keep if you don’t plan to have to defend it?
WvW is a Players vs Players mode, not Siege vs Players mode… the guilds that are fighting players are keeping attackers away from your precious upgraded keeps, you should thank them instead of shunning them…
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Posted by: dancingmonkey.4902
NOBODY likes this new map make a freaking public pol and see it by yourselfl, if you feel like you really need to add this garbage to the game just make it optional like EoTM. Do not force WvW players to play on this map since we all dislike it please.
Unlike you may think there are actual players who ONLY DO WvW and we do not care about karma training we want to fights and kill people. Do not ruin this game mode, if we want to PVE we will just go to the silverwastes please, listen to your players.
We want maps that force you to fight insteand just hiding on walls, we want points per kill, we do not want more siege please. LISTEN to your players.
I enjoyed the map.
I think they need to add to the forums code of conduct, that it be infraction worthy to dishonestly claim to speak for other players and posters.
I like the new map and I hope it breaks up some of the zerg fest, lets face it 2 years of running in a circle biggest blob wins gets old.
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Seems there’s an abundance of hate for guilds and players who like structured group pvp combat. My guild may not set up GvG’s but we do enjoy group combat and trying to bust up bigger blobs or fighting outnumbered. Yes, we do ppt to help out our server, but there’s no fun in pvding or fighting a bunch of siege humpers who refuse to come out and fight. However, there is glory in busting into a keep and fighting a group inside or in the lords room then capping.
I can’t imagine WvW without fights—whether it be open field or inside a structure. I’d hate for the new BL maps to turn into eotm 2.0 or siege wars. There have been times where my guild has built a treb inside vale camp to hit bay just to get a response and have the enemy come out and fight. This is not a useless tactic by the way. If the keep is wped people will crawl out of the keep and try to take out the treb, if they wipe they will bring more and most times an eb crew. This keeps the enemy busy on their own bl rather than them capping the keeps and towers on a servers home bl.
Fighting is not useless in WvW. If HoT kills that part of the game mode then they can expect the population that enjoys the fight aspect of WvW to leave for games such as Black Desert and Camelot Unchained when they release.
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