Guild Wars 2

OP has valid points regardless of his skills. It shouldn’t take 3 people to down a bunker, 1 person should be able to down a bunker, just slowly. Healing is too strong. On the other hand, uncounterable thief opening damage is also too high. The range to which you can be a bunker or glass cannon needs to be reduced to avoid ridiculous fights that don’t involve any player skill.

shaolin.9716:

OP has valid points regardless of his skills. It shouldn’t take 3 people to down a bunker, 1 person should be able to down a bunker, just slowly. Healing is too strong. On the other hand, uncounterable thief opening damage is also too high. The range to which you can be a bunker or glass cannon needs to be reduced to avoid ridiculous fights that don’t involve any player skill.

Thats what i said about the thief didnt i , backstab needs a nerf. ! Classes that can oneshot have no place in the game imo.

But about the bunker you say 1 person needs to be able to bring it down but slowly , they took him down with 2 people in about 10 seconds (and he complains that it takes too long lol) so what is the problem there? i have taken bunkers down on all my toons ,slowly and solo on occasion , its totaly possible, so !?

Guardian healing to strong ? Cut his healing down to 50% then. Your class doesnt have a skill like that ? then it is not your role to do so.

A bunker is supposed to be hard to take down , that is its role but this guy is only complaining about the classes that HE has trouble with (according to him but i did not see it he just wants a easy ride by the looks of it) Im not sure if he or you has ever seen a necro build to keep a point but i rather fight the guardian ,he would be easier to take down tbh (this is also shown in his vid).

If the whiner in the video is going to whine about wanting to take down a bunker in 5 seconds instead of 10 and about MOA when he has DS himself which allows him to do dgm,fear and top up his HP then he is simply a hypocrite.

Funny how he did not show the use of DS once in his video.

P.S i dont even have a guardian myself so im not being biased here.

Hm I don’t remember DS working while in Moa, does it?

Teknobug.3782:

Hm I don’t remember DS working while in Moa, does it?

Your point being ?

Reading several comments here I think most of you miss the point the op wants to make entirely. It is not about how good or how bad someone is or how he got into certain situations.

It is about how some skills work and what effects they have – regardless of the situation.

lol 3:07 guardian died in 10 seconds this is why guardians is “op”. if you want to kill players in 1 second go kill counter strike or just kill glass cannons/kamikaze builds.

Asmodean.5820:

Reading several comments here I think most of you miss the point the op wants to make entirely. It is not about how good or how bad someone is or how he got into certain situations.

It is about how some skills work and what effects they have – regardless of the situation.

Whatever merit any of the points may have had is overshadowed by the inability to play properly. It’s not simply “those things are OP and that’s the end of the story”. It’s “There are strong abilities and playstyles that I need to be aware of and act properly against.” Many people seem to be taking OP’s defense with the mistaken idea that a team with bad builds and little experience should not get crushed by players that know how to play.

milo.6942:

Asmodean.5820:

Reading several comments here I think most of you miss the point the op wants to make entirely. It is not about how good or how bad someone is or how he got into certain situations.

It is about how some skills work and what effects they have – regardless of the situation.

Whatever merit any of the points may have had is overshadowed by the inability to play properly. It’s not simply “those things are OP and that’s the end of the story”. It’s “There are strong abilities and playstyles that I need to be aware of and act properly against.” Many people seem to be taking OP’s defense with the mistaken idea that a team with bad builds and little experience should not get crushed by players that know how to play.

This is not the point of op. He is aware that he is not the best player of GW2, but focusing on his skill level without considering what the OP actually wanted to show is just stupid.
Everyone knows that everything shown in the video is counterable (except stealthstomp), but the point of unbalancing is the amount of skill required to counter something compared with the amount of skill required to afford that something.

For instance, look at the Mesmer fight. It is true that the op did not dodge anything, but look also at the Mesmer. He trew out just 2 random dodges, which evaded just the op’s autoattack. Then, popping out all the Phantasms and than Moa he won the battle which started with half health.

Than look at the Guardian battle. Have you seen him dodging just ONE, ONE time? I didn’t. Than, why the guardiang is supposed to last that long without even dodging, but only randomly spamming his skills? Just try to run a bunker with any other profession and see how you die fast without dodging and throwing skills randomly.

Look also at the last thief. How much skill does it take to use 3-4 skills in sequence? Nothing. Just bind those skills to 1-2-3-4, press them in order and win, if you are a pro thief you can also bind them to buttons far from each other (F1-5-7-1 for instance).
Than how much reflexes did the op required in order to not dying to that burst?

sorrow.2364:

For instance, look at the Mesmer fight. It is true that the op did not dodge anything, but look also at the Mesmer. He trew out just 2 random dodges, which evaded just the op’s autoattack. Then, popping out all the Phantasms and than Moa he won the battle which started with half health.

Than look at the Guardian battle. Have you seen him dodging just ONE, ONE time? I didn’t. Than, why the guardiang is supposed to last that long without even dodging, but only randomly spamming his skills? Just try to run a bunker with any other profession and see how you die fast without dodging and throwing skills randomly.

Look also at the last thief. How much skill does it take to use 3-4 skills in sequence? Nothing. Just bind that skills to 1-2-3-4, press them in order and win.
Than how much reflexes did the op required in order to not dying to that burst?

Yeah, these are very valid observations, for the most part i feel that the things shown in the video need to be changed in some way, and imo it shows why moa needs a good look into.

^ Tunnel vision sigh wont even bother discussing.

I can understand the pain op is comming from. When you just start this game or just start in spvp or tpvp and don’t have a lot of experience yet things might seem a bit intimidating.

Classes especially some of em and there abilities might seem overpowered. Espcially on a starting necro. Now lets talk about the abilities.

stealthstomping. personally i don’t consider stealthstomping that much worse then blinding or using some other ability to nullify the initial countermove to prolong the fight.. and yes most if not all classes have those mechanics to nullify the blast of guardians or the hammer or lightning of warriors/rangers. earthshield blind etc etc.

Backstab damage : backstab damage is indeed high.. but the key to backstab rogues and i admit you can’t counter it 100% is to know where the rogue is comming if you see a rogue go invis then you know bursti s comming put a fear mark under you.. if thats on cooldown dodge backwardsand make sure to put some distance between him and you.. rogues have a certain amount of time they can remain in stealth with steal they bridge that gap. in front of you and have to get behind you first wich takes another second.. now they got 1 or 2 seconds left in stealth.. if your fear is on cooldown you dodge backwards.. this makes it almost impossible for the rogue to cross the distance to get behind you again in the remaining time he got left.. if hes still in stealth he probably used another of his stealth abilities.. dodge another time backwards and he will pop up.. with 1 of his escape skills on cooldown and his initial burst ability gone.. now your left with a cripled class with his burst disabled and 14k health.. you can probably deal with him now easily.

It seems everyone seem to think that necromancers are the guardisans bane because they got an ability that transofrms all the guardians bufs into conditions well actually they have 2 if you count the well of suffering and the corrupt boon and they have some ability to get some buffs off..

the reality is not a lot of necromancers run with corrupt boon because it does no damage whatsoever and takes up a skill slot.. this is not on a weapon or anything. theres one specific spec thats a condinionmancer necro that can make great use of it.. for the rest its a skill that does no damage and is only good vs one specific class.. how many people in non competitive tpvp groups would take a skill like that.. not a lot thats for sure.

And now the truth.. for certain necromancers guardians are and lets repeat myself here are insanely tough. i run a power necro myself here and the kind that heals every damage they take that i dish out.. and are left with a full health bar after a 2 minute fight where i litarly blew up all my cooldowns (xcept elite).. ther some classes out there that are a great counter to your class.. i dont know or this is meant game mechanic but on a power focused spectral necromancer atm with no noticable way of removing boons from a player except spinal shivers they are one tough nut to crack.. then again ive no problems with guardians with those holy weapons or the ones that are swining 2 handers.. its just the specific bunker kind i have trouble with. thats why i would like a 1 on 1 mode so i can learn how to counter it..

All i see in this thread is thieves and mesmers defending what are clearly opd classes.

The ability of the thief to lay out huge damage isn’t a l2p issue. You all speak as if players have infinite dodges. The initiative regeneration of thieves is pretty much a non issue. They can spam their most powerful moves repeatedly and with the borken lag stealth mechanic they’re so difficult to target for the short time they arn’t in stealth they may as well be invisible the whole duration. It’s not a l2p, when i see l2p, it means the person saying it usually plays that class and they’re so desperately clinging onto the opdness because they’re well aware that on ever other class they’re less than mediocre.

Moa is just nonsense. It completely kills a fight, 10 seconds? of being able to do nothing but run away with no way to purge it?

Oh also..

Stealth stomp…It’s all I see now, no way to defend against it. Who does it? mesmers and thieves!

sorrow.2364:

milo.6942:

Asmodean.5820:

Reading several comments here I think most of you miss the point the op wants to make entirely. It is not about how good or how bad someone is or how he got into certain situations.

It is about how some skills work and what effects they have – regardless of the situation.

Whatever merit any of the points may have had is overshadowed by the inability to play properly. It’s not simply “those things are OP and that’s the end of the story”. It’s “There are strong abilities and playstyles that I need to be aware of and act properly against.” Many people seem to be taking OP’s defense with the mistaken idea that a team with bad builds and little experience should not get crushed by players that know how to play.

This is not the point of op. He is aware that he is not the best player of GW2, but focusing on his skill level without considering what the OP actually wanted to show is just stupid.
Everyone knows that everything shown in the video is counterable (except stealthstomp), but the point of unbalancing is the amount of skill required to counter something compared with the amount of skill required to afford that something.

For instance, look at the Mesmer fight. It is true that the op did not dodge anything, but look also at the Mesmer. He trew out just 2 random dodges, which evaded just the op’s autoattack. Then, popping out all the Phantasms and than Moa he won the battle which started with half health.

Than look at the Guardian battle. Have you seen him dodging just ONE, ONE time? I didn’t. Than, why the guardiang is supposed to last that long without even dodging, but only randomly spamming his skills? Just try to run a bunker with any other profession and see how you die fast without dodging and throwing skills randomly.

Look also at the last thief. How much skill does it take to use 3-4 skills in sequence? Nothing. Just bind those skills to 1-2-3-4, press them in order and win, if you are a pro thief you can also bind them to buttons far from each other (F1-5-7-1 for instance).
Than how much reflexes did the op required in order to not dying to that burst?

We are considering exactly what the OP was showing AND talking about. If what you say were to be true then why did he use these specific examples in his video in the first place?

When it came to the guardian he was not even complaining about skills he just simply stated the he should be able to kill a guardian bunker faster then the 10 seconds that was needed in the video. Like i said in my previous post, if taking down a guardian bunker takes to long for him at 10 seconds then how long should clothy or even a medium survive , 3 to 1 second ?

^
But then he complains on how a thief can kill him in 2 seconds <<< do you see the whine now ? lol

Or are you implying that the commentary was unrelated to the video he showed ? That would explain that at least a tiny bit but still would not make sense in any way.

He complains about MOA and specifically how long it takes yet he is a necro with DS which as i stated before has a multitude of benefits that MOA will never have and can last a lot longer.

I survive more MOA’s then i do fighting a necro with a full or 75% full life bar that comes out of it with a fully topped of HP bar.
DS > MOA every single time !

You try dodging a necro’s fear or lifedrain without running 5 miles out of range first when he is in DS , compared to that being MOA’s is a doozy. (I am not complaining about the necro here , i love playing the necro , im just pointing out the biased whining and crying coming from that video.)

So if as you say we got it all wrong and that he was merely pointing out unbalanced skills then why did he not even mention AND show the one OP skill he is most familiar with ?

I think you are putting words into it that have never been there tbh while dancing around the facts that are right there for everyone to see.

you cant say ooohw noo he meant it like thiiis and not like thaaat thats BS. He was very specific and he commented exactly on what he had shown.

The only thing valid was the thief backstab but we didnt really need a video for that did we?

All he did was cry and moan about the skills and builds he himself has issue with , THIS is why he excluded any skill of his own class shown in that video. If it was like you are trying to portrait it was then he would have mentioned a lot more including the necro in particular.

And that is basically what this video is nerf all classes i have trouble with NOW!11 and he doesnt even know how to play so what sort of authority is he on any level ,

phaeris.7604:

All i see in this thread is thieves and mesmers defending what are clearly opd classes.

The ability of the thief to lay out huge damage isn’t a l2p issue. You all speak as if players have infinite dodges. The initiative regeneration of thieves is pretty much a non issue. They can spam their most powerful moves repeatedly and with the borken lag stealth mechanic they’re so difficult to target for the short time they arn’t in stealth they may as well be invisible the whole duration. It’s not a l2p, when i see l2p, it means the person saying it usually plays that class and they’re so desperately clinging onto the opdness because they’re well aware that on ever other class they’re less than mediocre.

Moa is just nonsense. It completely kills a fight, 10 seconds? of being able to do nothing but run away with no way to purge it?

Thiefs need to be rechecked and ASAP. 9 out of 10 builds you come up against end up in a non fight leaving you lying on the floor with a full endurance bar. Then the thief buzzez of using his escape tools.

MOA is a overhyped problem. When MOA’ed you keep all your mobility , all your speed yes you keep all your boons and you can still dodge. i survived more MOA’s then i have died to it i kid you not.

A pet necro being the exeption. If you main that build on a necro and complain about MOA then i agree with you . Outside of that i do absolutely not.

Smackjack.5071:

We are considering exactly what the OP was showing AND talking about. If what you say were to be true then why did he use these specific examples in his video in the first place?

You said, these are examples. It is like when your father is explaining reproduction with the example of bees and you say “Daddy, bees does not make sex! What are you talking about?”.

Smackjack.5071:

When it came to the guardian he was not even complaining about skills he just simply stated the he should be able to kill a guardian bunker faster then the 10 seconds that was needed in the video. Like i said in my previous post, if taking down a guardian bunker takes to long for him at 10 seconds then how long should clothy or even a medium survive , 3 to 1 second ?

The complain about skill was obvious, of course a good player can survive way longer than a bad player but, in the case of the guardian, bad player or good player doesn’t matters at all, they survive freaking long in both cases.

Smackjack.5071:

^
But then he complains on how a thief can kill him in 2 seconds <<< do you see the whine now ? lol

Or are you implying that the commentary was unrelated to the video he showed ? That would explain that at least a tiny bit but still would not make sense in any way.

The complain is founded. Half a second to kill a player without requiring any skill should be archieved by no professions at all. But, you know, it is better to say that he had do dodge the burst in that half second than see the truth.

Smackjack.5071:

He complains about MOA and specifically how long it takes yet he is a necro with DS which as i stated before has a multitude of benefits that MOA will never have and can last a lot longer.

I survive more MOA’s then i do fighting a necro with a full or 75% full life bar that comes out of it with a fully topped of HP bar.
DS > MOA every single time !

You know, Death Shroud is a profession mechanic, Moa is a kittening skill.
Also, looks like you have no idea how Death Shroud works since there is no way to come out of Death Shroud with more health than you had when you jumped in.
Also, Death Shroud does not make you useless for 10 seconds and can be easily countered by… Moa! Just cast Moa on a shrouded Necro, he can’t exit DS, all his life force melts (life force melts fast also when you are fully traited) and you won.

So if as you say we got it all wrong and that he was merely pointing out unbalanced skills then why did he not even mention AND show the one OP skill he is most familiar with ?

I think you are putting words into it that have never been there tbh while dancing around the facts that are right there for everyone to see.

You can’t really think Necro is OP, you just make everyone laugh.
I don’t even try to explain you why, you just have to let your brain works for few seconds without any bias.

Smackjack.5071:

you cant say ooohw noo he meant it like thiiis and not like thaaat thats BS. He was very specific and he commented exactly on what he had shown.

The only thing valid was the thief backstab but we didnt really need a video for that did we?

This isn’t BS. I see everyone here saying that he is bad, that he has to learn to play and so on while none is actually discussing the skills and mechanics the op wanted to show. This is BS.

Smackjack.5071:

All he did was cry and moan about the skills and builds he himself has issue with , THIS is why he excluded any skill of his own class shown in that video. If it was like you are trying to portrait it was then he would have mentioned a lot more including the necro in particular.

And that is basically what this video is nerf all classes i have trouble with NOW!11 and he doesnt even know how to play so what sort of authority is he on any level ,

This aren’t build he only has issues with, these are builds that the whole community, except players who are running those builds, have issues with. He just wanted to point out what is broken in his opinion and people here keep saying he is bad. That video isn’t a skill showcase, that video is a broken mechanic showcase.
Again, I can’t really accept that you think Necro is op. If you really want to make your argument valid, please, don’t base it on these kind of clearly wrong statements.

I’ve been discussing the things he was complaining about and pointing out that almost all of them were his own fault, not balance issues. He could have avoided every death here if he was playing on the same level as his opponents. Here’s what I see. He is losing to better players and blaming it on their class. That’s hard to take seriously.

@Mammoth: have you read what I said two posts ago?
How can you say that the players he was fighting against were more skilled than the OP? Have you seen the Guardian dodging? Do you think that pressing 4 buttons in sequence require skills? Do you think that spamming clones and than Moa requires so much skills? The op was not that skilled, but the players he was fighting against were less skilled than him, but they abused their broken class mechanic to win against him.
Thief abused the insanely high damage of backstab, Guardian abused the too high defensive capability of his class and the Mesmer abused the incredibly high damage of Phantasms plus the clearly broken Moa Morph.

I’ve started playing the game as a Necro, I’ve played that profession for a considerable amount of matches with some profit, putting a considerable amount of efforts to learn professions’ weakness to survive against them.

Than I’ve tried a Thief just for fun. It was like playing easymode, you don’t need to put so much effort to kill someone, you just need a sequence of skills, you don’t need to dodge to avoid enemys’ damage when you have Stealth. The fights won’t lasts longer than few seconds, all your damage skills have insanely low casting time and insanely high damage. Necro’s Axe and MH Dagger, what can be considered as “burst weapons” of a Necro, can’t deal half the damage the thief do in double the time in all cases.

But still I didn’t tried Guardian; when I did, I realized that it was easymode just like Thief. You don’t need to dodge to survive, you don’t need to use your defensive mechanic wisely. You just have to spam all your skills randomly and you can easily hold up for more than 20 seconds 2 players.
You don’t need to use stunbreakers, you don’t need to make sure your Life Force is high enough to tank the bursts when you have low endurance, you don’t need to dodge at all! You can tank all the damage the enemy is doing to you to survive, also if you randomly spam skills, it is 100% sure that at least you have on either Aegis, Protection, Retaliation or you are blocking.

What about Mesmers, than? The only thing you have to do is to keep your phantasms up, than you can do what you want and, if you see that things are going bad, just use your Moa to fix this. Not to talk about Time Warp, 10 second quickness! Double damage to everyone for 10 seconds!

Seriously.

@sorrow they can do this yes its not broken its intended. if necromancer is weak then why don’t you come with suggestions for improvements on the necromancer ?

MOA is kinda broken. its the “i win” button

Other than that, I was one of the 20 people who disliked the video

poppin stealth on a corpse is kind of a waste anyway when theres other ways to do it and save stealth for combat

tom.7468:

@sorrow they can do this yes its not broken its intended. if necromancer is weak then why don’t you come with suggestions for improvements on the necromancer ?

I did. Most Necromancers did. I think that most the community knows the Necromancer is quite weak. Just look at Necro subforum, there are plenty of topics suggesting how to change weak mechanics.

Do you really think that no skills neither efforts required is intended with Thieves, Guardians and Mesmers (also shortbow Rangers and gs Warriors)?
Why the kitten do I have to play my profession, if I know that I have to put double the efforts to get results? Just because of doubling the challange and maybe getting frustrated?

Webley.1295:

poppin stealth on a corpse is kind of a waste anyway when theres other ways to do it and save stealth for combat

Oh yeah, stealth is on a huge timer isnt it…hardly available at all…

Webley.1295:

poppin stealth on a corpse is kind of a waste anyway when theres other ways to do it and save stealth for combat

Cloak and Dagger → Stomp

How can you waste a skill that has no cooldown?

Asmodean.5820:

Reading several comments here I think most of you miss the point the op wants to make entirely. It is not about how good or how bad someone is or how he got into certain situations.

It is about how some skills work and what effects they have – regardless of the situation.

The situation matters.

You can’t say a skill is OP if you don’t even try to fight it or counter it, that’s like saying the +5% damage to opponents from back or side trait is OP because you want to leave your back to your opponent all the time

sorrow.2364:

Smackjack.5071:

We are considering exactly what the OP was showing AND talking about. If what you say were to be true then why did he use these specific examples in his video in the first place?

You said, these are examples. It is like when your father is explaining reproduction with the example of bees and you say “Daddy, bees does not make sex! What are you talking about?”.

LOLWHUT?!!

Did anything in his video quallify as a ANALOGY ?
The answer is a obvious NO.
If you want to learn about the meaning of that big word then you can ask yours.

The complain about skill was obvious, of course a good player can survive way longer than a bad player but, in the case of the guardian, bad player or good player doesn’t matters at all, they survive freaking long in both cases.

erhm…..were did i bring up good player bad player in that quote again??? Are you sure you are not putting words into something AGAIN ?!

Answer me this:
Is 10 seconds to long for a guardian to survive?

The complain is founded. Half a second to kill a player without requiring any skill should be archieved by no professions at all. But, you know, it is better to say that he had do dodge the burst in that half second than see the truth.

omg,

Do you even comprehend what you read?
Let me explain it to you ,again…

He can kill the guardian in 10 seconds….. , he thinks that is too long……
Followed by:
Complaining that a thief can kill him in 2 seconds

so…..if he wants to be able to kill a guardian bunker in less then 10 how long does he think it should take to kill a clothy like himself who was obviously not tank specced.
So he should be able to kill a Bunker guardian in what , 5 seconds but he himself as a light armor wearer should not die in 2 ? ..yeah this guy has some reeally valid points ….
lol

If you had payed just a tiny bit of attention you would have noticed that i am all for a thief nerf but this guy just want it all and for himself.

Get it now ?

You know, Death Shroud is a profession mechanic, Moa is a kittening skill.
Also, looks like you have no idea how Death Shroud works since there is no way to come out of Death Shroud with more health than you had when you jumped in.
Also, Death Shroud does not make you useless for 10 seconds and can be easily countered by… Moa! Just cast Moa on a shrouded Necro, he can’t exit DS, all his life force melts (life force melts fast also when you are fully traited) and you won.

Looks like you are the one who needs to go back to school.
DS is a game mechanic , so is MOA and DS is more effective AND has more utility all on its own. Can it be countered by moa ? yuup , does moa have a 180 second CD ? yuup? Does MOA always land on you ? nooope

i can re-use DS multiple times by the time SOMEONE’s moa comes of of CD that might or might not be used against me, DS effects every single player in a group fight, moa does not.

So get a grip with reality will you.

You can’t really think Necro is OP, you just make everyone laugh.
I don’t even try to explain you why, you just have to let your brain works for few seconds without any bias.

Talking about letting brains work how is that reading comprehension coming along?
Where did i say that the Necro as a whole is op? Thats right i didn’t but DS just like MOA and even more so then moa is. But i will refrain from explaining that to you once again even though i am sure you still dont graps most of what i said and twist it into your own words just like you did with what the dude supposedly really means in that vid which is just lol.

This isn’t BS. I see everyone here saying that he is bad, that he has to learn to play and so on while none is actually discussing the skills and mechanics the op wanted to show. This is BS.

And you are still wondering why that is ???

The OP can show whatever he likes but a bad player complaining about skills and builds has how much value exactly? This is proven by the fact that just about everybody here disagreed with what was said in the video with the exception of the thiefs back stab.
Here we have a bad player (we all seem to agree on that) he doesnt even know how to dodge…..he complains that he needs 10 seconds to take down a guardian …..Value , ZERO ,credibility ZERO , proof ZERO ,reasons founded ZERO ….people LOL for quite obvious reason i might add making it quite clear that there is no discussion in this case , get it ?

And you complain ?

This aren’t build he only has issues with, these are builds that the whole community, except players who are running those builds, have issues with. He just wanted to point out what is broken in his opinion and people here keep saying he is bad. That video isn’t a skill showcase, that video is a broken mechanic showcase.
Again, I can’t really accept that you think Necro is op. If you really want to make your argument valid, please, don’t base it on these kind of clearly wrong statements.

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Big…Huge *SIGH
I never claimed that a necro as a class is op ,thats it , i already adressed this once with you. You can keep repeating it in your head that i did all you like for all i care.

If this video is not bout how he is bad, has no understanding of counters and counter builds and thus no valid know how to make the argument he tried to make and thus no credible knowledge on what the entire community has issue with then it is quite obvious that he should not have attempted to do so in the first place woulndt you say ?

It is quite obvious that he lacks the experience to even know what he is talking about and THAT is very relevant to the fact.
He also forgot about a few other classes and builds but it just so happens that he chose these 2 ,how convenient, and here you are putting words into his mouth defending someone who has no experience or a clue how to play telling eveybody that a bunker guardian must go down in under 10 seconds ,using words that even he did not and motivations that he did not even use.

GL man

Smackjack.5071:

Teknobug.3782:

Hm I don’t remember DS working while in Moa, does it?

Your point being ?

What? I was asking a question, I was asking if DS can be casted while in MOA because I don’t remember.

And please enlighten us on how you gain health while in DS?

Teknobug.3782:

Smackjack.5071:

Teknobug.3782:

Hm I don’t remember DS working while in Moa, does it?

Your point being ?

What? I was asking a question, I was asking if DS can be casted while in MOA because I don’t remember.

And please enlighten us on how you gain health while in DS?

Sure you did…

How many times have you seen a moa walking around in DS?
Have you ever seen your regular skills on your skill bar when you got moa’ed?

but it was a genuine question right?

You never played a necro or paid attention to them. You pop your heal if you can then DS ,when you come out your heal will be almost around again. If you heal was on CD before DS it was already running its CD, you come out of DS you heal.

Thats the advantage of a second HP bar , add the secondary skill bar with dmg, drain and fear and your set.

Apparently, there are a lot of pros running rampant in the forums.

Nowhere in the video did I try displaying my skills as a Necromancer or at killing other players. If I wanted to do that, I’d make a montage showcasing my “skills”.

Necromancer is not my main class, nor was I trying to represent it in any way. If you hear at the beginning of the video, all that footage was recorded from within the last 24-48 hours of random tPvP.

It is easy to armchair quarterback anything from behind the keyboard.

I don’t understand why you’re stuck on the Guardian surviving “only” 10 seconds. If I put up a clip of a 3 v 1 Guardian, and it took us longer than 20-30 seconds to kill him, and I say that that is too long, you would say that we were all bad and it wouldn’t have taken you that long.

If I put up a clip of 1 v 1 Thief, with me trying to capture a node from him while he’s popping in and out of Stealth, you would again call me bad and armchair qb me. Instead, I showed you all what a single Thief was doing to prevent 3-4 other players from capturing.

It doesn’t matter who I go up against in a 1 v 1. The fact is, any Thief can come from anywhere and Steal + Backstab for major damage. I plainly showed an example of that when I was fighting the Guardian.

And apparently, a lot of you have never been MOA’d before or tried to kill a Guardian and failed or were fighting a player and never got Stealth killed by a Thief that came out of nowhere.

I find that very hard to believe.

I’m done with this thread after that response.

My main is necro, I use DS when my heal is on cooldown, that has nothing to do with topping off health with DS.

Merciless.5349:

I don’t understand why you’re stuck on the Guardian surviving “only” 10 seconds. If I put up a clip of a 3 v 1 Guardian, and it took us longer than 20-30 seconds to kill him, and I say that that is too long, you would say that we were all bad and it wouldn’t have taken you that long.

it was not 3 vs 1. it was you and the theif against the guardian and 3 seconds later another theif. the warrior didn’t do anything except for hitting her with a hammer one time. i don’t see why you quote 10 seconds its nothing and your point is invalid.

Merciless.5349:

Apparently, there are a lot of pros running rampant in the forums.

Nowhere in the video did I try displaying my skills as a Necromancer or at killing other players. If I wanted to do that, I’d make a montage showcasing my “skills”.

Necromancer is not my main class, nor was I trying to represent it in any way. If you hear at the beginning of the video, all that footage was recorded from within the last 24-48 hours of random tPvP.

It is easy to armchair quarterback anything from behind the keyboard.

You mean like you are doing but without even understanding the mechanics?
Even dodge seems to difficult for you.

Let it be clear i am not trying to hack on anyone for being inexperienced but flinging these sort fo things around when you are well im sorry to say that you got the critique that you deserved.

I don’t understand why you’re stuck on the Guardian surviving “only” 10 seconds. If I put up a clip of a 3 v 1 Guardian, and it took us longer than 20-30 seconds to kill him, and I say that that is too long, you would say that we were all bad and it wouldn’t have taken you that long.

That is some assumption.

Fact of the matter is you claimed that a bunker guard takes to long to take down and from your 48 hour footage you manage to show a 10 second kill to prove it.

I have killed guardians on all my 6 toons, solo (i dont have a guardian or a engineer) and yes it has taken me even longer ,way longer then 30 seconds and you know what, i never ever needed to complain about it because i simply understood what i was fighting.

If I put up a clip of 1 v 1 Thief, with me trying to capture a node from him while he’s popping in and out of Stealth, you would again call me bad and armchair qb me. Instead, I showed you all what a single Thief was doing to prevent 3-4 other players from capturing.

You should have CC’ed him , you were standing there with 3 of your teammates im sure someone had something availlable and im sure your gang would have been more then able focus and burst him down.

the thief may have OP burst but in this case he outplayed you all and he deserved the time he bought his team.

Sorry but it is a L2P issue
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It doesn’t matter who I go up against in a 1 v 1. The fact is, any Thief can come from anywhere and Steal + Backstab for major damage. I plainly showed an example of that when I was fighting the Guardian.

Im not sure if you noticed that nobody here disagreed with the thief having to much burst and specifically when it concerns backstab so what is this all about then ?

You complain even when people agree with you , that is Whine.

And apparently, a lot of you have never been MOA’d before or tried to kill a Guardian and failed or were fighting a player and never got Stealth killed by a Thief that came out of nowhere.

I find that very hard to believe.

Well you just answered it yourself , it is hard to believe and everyone has been in those situations. Your problem is simply that people do not agree with you.

tom.7468:

Merciless.5349:

I don’t understand why you’re stuck on the Guardian surviving “only” 10 seconds. If I put up a clip of a 3 v 1 Guardian, and it took us longer than 20-30 seconds to kill him, and I say that that is too long, you would say that we were all bad and it wouldn’t have taken you that long.

it was not 3 vs 1. it was you and the theif against the guardian and 3 seconds later another theif. the warrior didn’t do anything except for hitting her with a hammer one time. i don’t see why you quote 10 seconds its nothing and your point is invalid.

Indeed and has been pointed out multiple times im not sure how many times it has to be pointed out.

Teknobug.3782:

I’m done with this thread after that response.

My main is necro, I use DS when my heal is on cooldown, that has nothing to do with topping off health with DS.

Your main is a necro ??

And you had to ask if DS can be popped while moa’ed?
As i pointed out before, next to that not 1 class has its own skills availlable while being moa’ed or have you ever seen any other necro run around with DS as a moa ? But you just had a genuine question ,right.

Teknobug.3782:

I’m done with this thread after that response.

My main is necro, I use DS when my heal is on cooldown, that has nothing to do with topping off health with DS.

yes it does since DS facilitates you doing so.
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@Smackjack: You are doing all wrong, seriously.

1. Is the video about op’s skills? Is the topic about op’s skills? If yes, it is right that everyone is talking about his abilities, but since the video isn’t about his skills, not talking about the problem but focusing on his skills is just stupid.

2. You are missing a very important point. The guardian survived for more than 10 seconds against 3 people, without dodging not considering the time passed while he was fighting with the warrior. Try to archieve the same survivability with any other profession.

3. I’m pretty sure the op has Soldier’s Amulet, so he has at least 1700 toughness plus 27k hp. He was killed by just one thief in less than a second, while the Guardian survived for more than 10 seconds against 3 people.

4. Moa Morph isn’t a profession mechanic, dude, shatter is. Again, you are missing a very important point: Death Shroud does not let your enemy most likely die or make him useless for 10 seconds.

5. People are not saying that the op is wrong, people are just saying that the op is a bad player and this is quite sad.

6. The op has just started the topic dude, we are the ones which discuss about the matter. I really don’t care if the op is good or is bad if I think that what he said is right, also if it is said in the wrong manner. That is what you should do, discuss about what is wrong and what is fine, without taking into account the skills of whom started the topic because they just don’t matter.

sorrow.2364:

@Smackjack: You are doing all wrong, seriously.

1. Is the video about op’s skills? Is the topic about op’s skills? If yes, it is right that everyone is talking about his abilities, but since the video isn’t about his skills, not talking about the problem but focusing on his skills is just stupid.

2. You are missing a very important point. The guardian survived for more than 10 seconds against 3 people, without dodging not considering the time passed while he was fighting with the warrior. Try to archieve the same survivability with any other profession.

3. I’m pretty sure the op has Soldier’s Amulet, so he has at least 1700 toughness plus 27k hp. He was killed by just one thief in less than a second, while the Guardian survived for more than 10 seconds against 3 people.

4. Moa Morph isn’t a profession mechanic, dude, shatter is. Again, you are missing a very important point: Death Shroud does not let your enemy most likely die or make him useless for 10 seconds.

5. People are not saying that the op is wrong, people are just saying that the op is a bad player and this is quite sad.

6. The op has just started the topic dude, we are the ones which discuss about the matter. I really don’t care if the op is good or is bad if I think that what he said is right, also if it is said in the wrong manner. That is what you should do, discuss about what is wrong and what is fine, without taking into account the skills of whom started the topic because they just don’t matter.

1. Yes if a little more skill would allow him to overcome the abilities he is complaining about.
2. Every day, every match, on my necro. 10s is nothing, especially with no hard CC being thrown, like in this video.
3. Bleeds don’t tick for 110 with soldier’s amulet. He’s using carrion amulet*. It has no toughness. Not to mention he’s using carrion amulet with axe MH and wondering why he can’t kill a bunker. You starting to see why his skill is relevant here?
4. No idea what you’re talking about.
5. I can’t speak for anyone else, but I’m saying it’s not class but skill that is the reason he finds himself in these situations. So yes, I’m saying he’s wrong.
6. If you can’t see how his skill is relevant to the subject under discussion, that’s probably where communication is breaking down. Again, he’s losing to better players and blaming it on their class.

*Possibly rampagers. His condition damage seems too high for rampagers, but his health seems too low for carrion considering he clearly has points in blood magic.

sorrow.2364:

@Smackjack: You are doing all wrong, seriously.

1. Is the video about op’s skills? Is the topic about op’s skills? If yes, it is right that everyone is talking about his abilities, but since the video isn’t about his skills, not talking about the problem but focusing on his skills is just stupid.

Considering that you have been bringing this up ad nauseum over and over and over again and i already addressed this i will just resolve to quoting myself:

It is quite obvious that he lacks the experience to even know what he is talking about and THAT is very relevant to the fact.

Do you understand that now?

2. You are missing a very important point. The guardian survived for more than 10 seconds against 3 people, without dodging not considering the time passed while he was fighting with the warrior. Try to archieve the same survivability with any other profession.

Yep you are right , it turns out i is actually 15 seconds. Dont blame me though balme the OP for the misquote i was just quoting the op on it since it is a bit hard to sense the difference when watching a vid.

It was 2 people vs the guard unless you can those 2 autoattacks from the warrior.

3. I’m pretty sure the op has Soldier’s Amulet, so he has at least 1700 toughness plus 27k hp. He was killed by just one thief in less than a second, while the Guardian survived for more than 10 seconds against 2 people.

Jesus H chrrrrrrrrrrrist !???

How …many….times….has…it…been…said….that…no…one…dis…a…grees…with….that…????
0_0

The fact that he got bursted down by the thief that is !

YES FOR THE 10 MILLIONTH TIME WE ALL AGREE ON THE THIEF BURST ISSUE ,GRATZ YOU NOW HAVE IT WRITTEN IN TENFOLD IN THIS VERY THREAD. lol

I dont see the relevance in regards to this of a guardian surviving for more then 10 seconds though… :/

4. Moa Morph isn’t a profession mechanic, dude, shatter is. Again, you are missing a very important point: Death Shroud does not let your enemy most likely die or make him useless for 10 seconds.

Uhm ok… So a tactical skill is dismissed just because of……why was it exactly ?

…. ok (LOL) got it…. HF with that

It does not matter whether you consider something a mechanic or not DS is simply a more effective skill ( u know like moa is a skill) with loads more utility then moa will ever be.

That was the pont you were trying to make right ? that moa was moar OP then DS!?

5. People are not saying that the op is wrong, people are just saying that the op is a bad player and this is quite sad.

Mmnoo?! People simply could not help but notice that he wasnt very good they also pointed out in detail as to why , that is very fair wouldnt you say (no need for guild trippin here it wont work of course in case you hadnt noticed) and yes people are disagreeing with him, you just seem to mind that a lot, A LOT.

Well to bad , it has been argued in detail as to why they think that. Like i said that is fair not to mention logical.

here for you , again

It is quite obvious that he lacks the experience to even know what he is talking about and THAT is very relevant to the fact.

6. The op has just started the topic dude, we are the ones which discuss about the matter. I really don’t care if the op is good or is bad if I think that what he said is right, also if it is said in the wrong manner. That is what you should do, discuss about what is wrong and what is fine, without taking into account the skills of whom started the topic because they just don’t matter.

>.>

It is quite obvious that he lacks the experience to even know what he is talking about and THAT is very relevant to the fact.

Do i need to add to that now just to make sure you get that now ?

Fine

A bad player calling out other classes like he just did is a joke. A joke that no one can take seriously as is evident. He simply is not in the position to do that properly at least not without others pointing it out, if you do try then dont cry when people do not agree with that.

And before you get all excited i will add this for you :

That obviously does include the thief burst issue. But any player 1 hour old would have noticed that.

Thank you for the good laugh though and helping me kill some time

Peace V

Guys, please. I don’t want to argue about op’s skills and you are keep driving the topic to that matter.
I don’t care of the video itself, I just care about some mechanics which in my opinion and op’s opinion are broken. If you want to argue about that, it is fine. If you want to argue about op’s skills, than I’m out.

Just focus on the real subject of the topic: game balancing. Is this too hard?

OK, let’s discuss the mechanics. Nerf mesmers because moa, nerf thieves because backstab, nerf warriors because 100b, nerf rangers because qz crossfire, nerf guardians because they can survive ten seconds.

Then nerf necros, because I can kill the treb with 2 guys on me, then keep fighting them until a third one repairs it, then kill the treb again while all three are on me. That seems a bit stronger than standing on a point for ten seconds.

Nerf engineers and eles, because if it had been an engi or ele on that point, and an engi or ele had turned up as backup, he would have had just as much opportunity to act before he died, as he got chain knocked to death.

Then, when all the class nerfing is done, nerf skill, because that’s why he lost here.

sorrow.2364:

Guys, please. I don’t want to argue about op’s skills and you are keep driving the topic to that matter.

What?

I dont know … Do you even have a sliver of a idea what you do and say ?

It is you who keeps bringing this up. Maybe you havent noticed but i even resorted to copy/paste/quote myself because of the sheer amount of times that YOU brough it back into the discussion.

FOUR times in my last post because YOU bring it back up.

…

my god man xD

I don’t care of the video itself, I just care about some mechanics which in my opinion and op’s opinion are broken. If you want to argue about that, it is fine. If you want to argue about op’s skills, than I’m out.

Just focus on the real subject of the topic: game balancing. Is this too hard?

jesus christ…

I give up -_-

Mammoth.1975:

OK, let’s discuss the mechanics. Nerf mesmers because moa, nerf thieves because backstab, nerf warriors because 100b, nerf rangers because qz crossfire, nerf guardians because they can survive ten seconds.

Then nerf necros, because I can kill the treb with 2 guys on me, then keep fighting them until a third one repairs it, then kill the treb again while all three are on me. That seems a bit stronger than standing on a point for ten seconds.

Nerf engineers and eles, because if it had been an engi or ele on that point, and an engi or ele had turned up as backup, he would have had just as much opportunity to act before he died, as he got chain knocked to death.

Then, when all the class nerfing is done, nerf skill, because that’s why he lost here.

So, am I right if I say that when you are playing a Mesmer, Guardian, Thief, quickness 100b or crossfire you are winning because of skills?
Is that really your opinion?

Smackjack.5071:

sorrow.2364:

Guys, please. I don’t want to argue about op’s skills and you are keep driving the topic to that matter.

What?

I dont know … Do you even have a sliver of a idea what you do and say ?

It is you who keeps bringing this up. Maybe you havent noticed but i even resorted to copy/paste/quote myself because of the sheer amount of times that YOU brough it back into the discussion.

FOUR times in my last post because YOU bring it back up.

…

my god man xD

Please, would you be so kind to quote when I drove the topic back to op’s skills and when you tried to drive it away?

sorrow.2364:

Mammoth.1975:

OK, let’s discuss the mechanics. Nerf mesmers because moa, nerf thieves because backstab, nerf warriors because 100b, nerf rangers because qz crossfire, nerf guardians because they can survive ten seconds.

Then nerf necros, because I can kill the treb with 2 guys on me, then keep fighting them until a third one repairs it, then kill the treb again while all three are on me. That seems a bit stronger than standing on a point for ten seconds.

Nerf engineers and eles, because if it had been an engi or ele on that point, and an engi or ele had turned up as backup, he would have had just as much opportunity to act before he died, as he got chain knocked to death.

Then, when all the class nerfing is done, nerf skill, because that’s why he lost here.

So, am I right if I say that when you are playing a Mesmer, Guardian, Thief, quickness 100b or crossfire you are winning because of skills?
Is that really your opinion?

How about if I can survive like a minute with 3 guys on me, is that class or skill?

Mammoth.1975:

How about if I can survive like a minute with 3 guys on me, is that class or skill?

Have you a video proving what you are claiming? If you don’t, to me those are only bs. I’ve never seen a video of a Necro surviving alone agains 3 guys for a minute, I’ve never survived for a minute against 3 guys. Looks like you are the only one who can, so if it is true, you are the most skilled player in the game, but what are you saying are most likely bs.

How would you like to jump on a server right now and see? PM me.

sorrow.2364:

Mammoth.1975:

OK, let’s discuss the mechanics. Nerf mesmers because moa, nerf thieves because backstab, nerf warriors because 100b, nerf rangers because qz crossfire, nerf guardians because they can survive ten seconds.

Then nerf necros, because I can kill the treb with 2 guys on me, then keep fighting them until a third one repairs it, then kill the treb again while all three are on me. That seems a bit stronger than standing on a point for ten seconds.

Nerf engineers and eles, because if it had been an engi or ele on that point, and an engi or ele had turned up as backup, he would have had just as much opportunity to act before he died, as he got chain knocked to death.

Then, when all the class nerfing is done, nerf skill, because that’s why he lost here.

So, am I right if I say that when you are playing a Mesmer, Guardian, Thief, quickness 100b or crossfire you are winning because of skills?
Is that really your opinion?

What mammoth was basically saying in the case of this thread is L2P but at least he has taken the time like others have to point it out in detail as to how and why.

Smackjack.5071:

sorrow.2364:

Guys, please. I don’t want to argue about op’s skills and you are keep driving the topic to that matter.

What?

I dont know … Do you even have a sliver of a idea what you do and say ?

It is you who keeps bringing this up. Maybe you havent noticed but i even resorted to copy/paste/quote myself because of the sheer amount of times that YOU brough it back into the discussion.

FOUR times in my last post because YOU bring it back up.

…

my god man xD

Please, would you be so kind to quote when I drove the topic back to op’s skills and when you tried to drive it away?

LOLLMAOROFLOMG what?

If i had not been in danger of a ban for saying it i would have said something else but you know what ,have a lollipop ,suck on that.
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You know what you could do to see the answer that go back and read my 5 last posts or so in response to you and you can count the amount of times i have resorted to using my own quote to answer the same daRn subject including the original post from which i started quoting myself in order to keep answering that same subject you keep bringing up time and time again.

I am not going to do it for you , do it yourself there simply are to many of them.

Mammoth.1975:

How would you like to jump on a server right now and see? PM me.

You just need to enter in any sPvP/tPvP match, open fraps, record a video and put it on YouTube or to give me a video of someone’s else doing this. There is no need to let me jump in a server and wasting half an hour of my life to see something that probably won’t happen.

Smackjack.5071:

LOLLMAOROFLOMG what?

If i had not been in danger of a ban for saying it i would have said something else but you know what ,have a lollipop ,suck on that.
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You know what you could do to see the answer that go back and read my 5 last posts or so in response to you and you can count the amount of times i have resorted to using my own quote to answer the same daRn subject including the original post from which i started quoting myself in order to keep answering that same subject you keep bringing up time and time again.

I am not going to do it for you , do it yourself there simply are to many of them.

I did, I’ve just seen me trying to focusing on the game balancing itself and you keeping argue about op’s skills. This is probably why you have the time to write bs but you have no time to quote when I drove the argument on op’s skills.

sorrow.2364:

Mammoth.1975:

How would you like to jump on a server right now and see? PM me.

You just need to enter in any sPvP/tPvP match, open fraps, record a video and put it on YouTube or to give me a video of someone’s else doing this. There is no need to let me jump in a server and wasting half an hour of my life to see something that probably won’t happen.

You are being offered the oportunity to see it live right there and there. You are offered evidence like this and you turn it down with THAT answer??

wow , just wow and how sad is that? :/

Smackjack.5071:

sorrow.2364:

Mammoth.1975:

How would you like to jump on a server right now and see? PM me.

You just need to enter in any sPvP/tPvP match, open fraps, record a video and put it on YouTube or to give me a video of someone’s else doing this. There is no need to let me jump in a server and wasting half an hour of my life to see something that probably won’t happen.

You are being offered the oportunity to see it live right there and there. You are offered evidence like this and you turn it down with THAT answer??

wow , just wow and how sad is that? :/

He takes just the same time to record the video and to show me that personally. I see no point to waste my time to see something that won’t happen, but he proposed to show me that personally because he knew that I would decline that, which proves that he was saying bs.
I’m sure he will deliver nothing or if he delivers something, it won’t be what he claimed to be.