Guild Wars 2

flamedramonBarbaro.7893:

Omagad, all this time i thaught AP was attack power

Thanks for this post, now i know why i can’t get these values, and why people of these parties are so flamers, personally i got 1500 ap, i am new to game, and most party ask for 6k ap. 6k ap? I got 1500, so i need to play everyday till 6k to play with other players? xD So shamefull that these parties ask AP requirements

The good news is these parties usually suck. You should avoid them anyway.

Tentonhammr.7849:

flamedramonBarbaro.7893:

Omagad, all this time i thaught AP was attack power

Thanks for this post, now i know why i can’t get these values, and why people of these parties are so flamers, personally i got 1500 ap, i am new to game, and most party ask for 6k ap. 6k ap? I got 1500, so i need to play everyday till 6k to play with other players? xD So shamefull that these parties ask AP requirements

The good news is these parties usually suck. You should avoid them anyway.

Agreed. I never join them. If you run the zerker meta, and are actively trying to get better, then you will be just fine. Once you learn a dungeon well, then you move on to more specific groups looking for experienced/zerker/whatever. Ignore the fools using AP to weed out party members.

for me most of the time the best indicator is both weapon set, by them you know what build their running (not absolute true but much better then AP)

SoliSnake.9457:

for me most of the time the best indicator is both weapon set, by them you know what build their running (not absolute true but much better then AP)

when I pug I always love to judge pugs when they enter the instance by their weaponsets. I’m sure I’m not the only one happy when I see stuff like axe/mace wars, s/f mes&guard etc.

only classes that are rather problematic are eles (they could be running some kittenty non d/f non-conjure build like fresh air sceptre or healing staff), engies (almost invariably kitten builds though) etc

and I always cringe when warriors come in with the horrendous dolyak signet/stamina, which happens pretty often.

guanlongwucaii.3162:

SoliSnake.9457:

for me most of the time the best indicator is both weapon set, by them you know what build their running (not absolute true but much better then AP)

when I pug I always love to judge pugs when they enter the instance by their weaponsets. I’m sure I’m not the only one happy when I see stuff like axe/mace wars, s/f mes&guard etc.

only classes that are rather problematic are eles (they could be running some kittenty non d/f non-conjure build like fresh air sceptre or healing staff), engies (almost invariably kitten builds though) etc

and I always cringe when warriors come in with the horrendous dolyak signet/stamina, which happens pretty often.

Judge me. :D

guanlongwucaii.3162:

SoliSnake.9457:

for me most of the time the best indicator is both weapon set, by them you know what build their running (not absolute true but much better then AP)

only classes that are rather problematic are eles (they could be running some kittenty non d/f non-conjure build like fresh air sceptre or healing staff), engies (almost invariably kitten builds though) etc

Guilty!

But I do use LH most of the time. Sometimes, nahhhhh.

I don’t run full meta because if I did I would be #DeadDPS because I do not pay any sort of attention to what I’m doing. Unless I’m teaching, but then I’m more focused in teaching.

same :P if im bored to use LH i switch to 30/30/0/0/10 d/f build

guanlongwucaii.3162:

only classes that are rather problematic are eles (they could be running some kittenty non d/f non-conjure build like fresh air sceptre or healing staff), engies (almost invariably kitten builds though) etc

and I always cringe when warriors come in with the horrendous dolyak signet/stamina, which happens pretty often.

Most eles I see actually use the metas S/D or something similar but then again they all have high AP so I instinctively trust them to know what to do (i.e. stack might and throw down FGS for boss fights etc.) Warriors on the other hand..so many bads. Whenever I see a warrior 5 signets which if u believe me is literally a 50/50 chance in pugs, I cringe coz these r most likely the guys that will be downed waay more often than they should be, and tend to equip their rifle when stacking (really? wtf).

Also AP isn’t the best indicator of skill coz I will see 12k AP zerkers downed just as much as 2k AP guys. It’s just the outliers I guess (really high or really low AP) that I tend to dislike more. Anyone in the range 2-8k AP has a good chance of generally knowing what to do. Then again I’ve been at it for almost a year and I barely have 5k AP to show for my efforts (will actually have in a few weeks).

Odly enought you more likely to get favorable results running with a pug casual team then with a pugged zerker meta team. While they dont do content as fast they generaly dont need several attempt to run the dungeon right. One truth is that you will nearly always get one guy who doesnt know the dungeon right and you will have to explain him how things are done so if you aint a fan of teaching dungeon you should just avoid pugs when possible (I think i end up educating about stacking and boss fights about once for every 4 party i get or have to explain or lead the way for people who never been here in the first place).

Zerker behing unforgiving, if you get the wrong player you likely will wipe several time even on trash (yea ive seen the scenario in wich a guy left because people would die on trash due to poor builds or failed stacking) you will have leavers and ragequitters all the time and may even need to completely restart the dungeon (took me 3 attempt to get an actualy not deficient team for COE the last day because we constantly got the wrong players or actual wolves disguised as sheep, such as a zerker staff 1 spam guardian running GS as his off set but not using it).

If you realy want to run meta zerkers dont bother pugging go strait for a guild team you will waste half the time assembling something at least decent.

flamedramonBarbaro.7893:

Omagad, all this time i thaught AP was attack power

Thanks for this post, now i know why i can’t get these values, and why people of these parties are so flamers, personally i got 1500 ap, i am new to game, and most party ask for 6k ap. 6k ap? I got 1500, so i need to play everyday till 6k to play with other players? xD So shamefull that these parties ask AP requirements

nah dude, just make your own group and take things on your pace.
I would consider a 3k ap enough for very experienced player, 6k is just ridiculous (yet i keep getting 10k ap staff guardians…).
I don’t put AP as a requirement on my groups, but i do put “80only experienced”, because i am really tired to have to explain, mid combat, how CoF p1 totens work.

Lilith Ajit.6173:

guanlongwucaii.3162:

SoliSnake.9457:

for me most of the time the best indicator is both weapon set, by them you know what build their running (not absolute true but much better then AP)

only classes that are rather problematic are eles (they could be running some kittenty non d/f non-conjure build like fresh air sceptre or healing staff), engies (almost invariably kitten builds though) etc

Guilty!

But I do use LH most of the time. Sometimes, nahhhhh.

I don’t run full meta because if I did I would be #DeadDPS because I do not pay any sort of attention to what I’m doing. Unless I’m teaching, but then I’m more focused in teaching.

lol, I wouldn’t judge anyone for not using the conjure builds in pugs. they’re boring to play and if you die/some idiot picks up a conjure then rip your DPS. staff is also kind of dry to some (not me, meteor shower best skill)

but I don’t really see the point of running non dagger fresh air builds. idk, I hate all the sceptre skills except dragons tooth/phoenix. they’re so weak and ineffective compared to what a dagger can bring.

Dagger wont bring you survivability like scepter will, While i do apreciate the dagger auto attack damage i find its blast field number quite deconcerting in comparison to what scepter provide wich is like 2 instant cast blasting field just from 2 and 3 so woot?

Pheonix proc vigor and cure condition while earth magic provide an easy + 200 armor to your character as long as rock barrier is up. Water trident also is instant and doesnt require a long channel while healing for a fairly good amount (heck soon it will also proc a small regeneration). When running elementalist either i run staff for meteor shower and the powerfull aoe healing magic either i run scepter dagger for the might stacking and the heavy damage dragon tooth and fire grasp helps to builds.

Heck I actualy run scepter dagger in spvp as arcane build and it worked quite fine. I know however dagger/dagger have great spike i just cant stand my ele behing even more glass cannony then it already is.

Ill likely use icebow and FGS depending on the encounter (destroying objects) but as a general rule i prefer running arcane when it comes to how i play my elementalist.

Now I start seeing serious 9k+ AP parties for FotM 49-50… oO

This is ridiculous. I have those, but still, it’s ridiculous! Lots of good players I know, better than me, have less!

5016 AP and ive been away for 7 month… To be honest no amount of AP can actualy calculate for one skill if the guy has only been doing event dailies and living story. Ones need to show his skill with actual real dungeon experience so maybe they need to add some new dungeon title to the game based on the number of dungeon runs done or on feat of strenghts done in dungeon like idk doing lupicus naked (if that even can be calculated as a feat of strenght)?

guanlongwucaii.3162:

Lilith Ajit.6173:

guanlongwucaii.3162:

SoliSnake.9457:

for me most of the time the best indicator is both weapon set, by them you know what build their running (not absolute true but much better then AP)

only classes that are rather problematic are eles (they could be running some kittenty non d/f non-conjure build like fresh air sceptre or healing staff), engies (almost invariably kitten builds though) etc

Guilty!

But I do use LH most of the time. Sometimes, nahhhhh.

I don’t run full meta because if I did I would be #DeadDPS because I do not pay any sort of attention to what I’m doing. Unless I’m teaching, but then I’m more focused in teaching.

lol, I wouldn’t judge anyone for not using the conjure builds in pugs. they’re boring to play and if you die/some idiot picks up a conjure then rip your DPS. staff is also kind of dry to some (not me, meteor shower best skill)

but I don’t really see the point of running non dagger fresh air builds. idk, I hate all the sceptre skills except dragons tooth/phoenix. they’re so weak and ineffective compared to what a dagger can bring.

I would run Scepter/Hammer with my daily dungeon group since we kill things fast, and already know what to do. D/F is for fractals and pugs, because Nik has trashed my leggie scepter so much it’s killing me. Staff is nice and I’d switch to staff the moment I see a conjure ele in my party. But it lacks dynamics and mobility, it’s such a pain.