Guild Wars 2

Can you guys do it and record so we can learn how to do it after all the fixes?

39 would work also.

It is rather unlikely that the devs are part of the group that high level Fractals are aimed at, and thus this is a rather silly request.

lordkrall.7241:

It is rather unlikely that the devs are part of the group that high level Fractals are aimed at, and thus this is a rather silly request.

Is it unreasonable, though, to expect developers to be able to win their own game?

lordkrall.7241:

It is rather unlikely that the devs are part of the group that high level Fractals are aimed at, and thus this is a rather silly request.

Do you know the dredge fractal?its a sarcastic topic…

And while they’re at it, they can fix all the kitten ed bugs they still haven’t fixed/introduced with the fractured update:

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/archive/fractured/Summary-of-Fractal-Issues-and-Bugs/first

And y’know, give us an update on the leaderboards that they wiped our progress for.

I don’t really have a problem with dredge fractal. Its just weird that there is a so huge difference in difficulty between each fractal. You can be lucky and finish the level 50 in 1 hours or unlucky and it can take 2-3 hours. Anyway, even if dredge is hard, its not like its impossible to do. Plenty of people already did it.

Most devs are terrible players. I always see it as a DJ. A DJ doesnt have to be a great dancer to make good dance music.

They work together with testers. Testers are great players so you prolly should ask them and not devs.

I’d like to see their testers do Dredge lvl 49 without a thief. That would be fun to watch.

would be really fun if they do 49 dredge+ cliff in the same run.. as i had to do last night…

Csele.1647:

would be really fun if they do 49 dredge+ cliff in the same run.. as i had to do last night…

I’m going to start a special Suicide Hotline just for that scenario.

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

I’d like to see their testers do Dredge lvl 49 without a thief. That would be fun to watch.

Then use a Mesmer, or an Engineer or spy kit.

Sure they can, all they need to do is hit the GOD MODE switch. {;-þ

Few devs are actually decent at their game, and a small handful are good… So with all respect in mind: Hell no~

Maybe if they got their 5 best guys on it. It’d be great to have a 24 hour live stream of it. <- how A-net can get twitch add revenue on the side and all the adds they run are of GW2 THEN THE ULTIMATE MAGNUM SELF-SUSTAINING OPUS CYCLE OF MARKETING CAN BEGIN!!!

But all will still be vain.

Daishi.6027:

Maybe if they got their 5 best guys on it. It’d be great to have a 24 hour live stream of .

Only thing is, all 24 hours would be spent on 1 lvl 49 fractal run if the devs tried it.

Neural.1824:

Is it unreasonable, though, to expect developers to be able to win their own game?

I would say so yes. Seeing as they are developers rather than testers and/or balancers. I know quite a bit of people that are rather good at playing the piano, but they are completely useless at making their own songs and so on.

Same as with people that are rather good at writing plays but can’t act at all.

Afya.5842:

39 would work also.

Nope, 49 or 50.

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

Daishi.6027:

Maybe if they got their 5 best guys on it. It’d be great to have a 24 hour live stream of .

Only thing is, all 24 hours would be spent on 1 lvl 49 fractal run if the devs tried it.

And it could be great fun! At least for chat.

I feel A-net owes us their misery.

It would actually be easy for them to do at 49 or 50; 50 is a gear check instability (and devs can generate any of the grindy gear that they would need), and 49 is very easy since it only measures your party’s ability to stack where and when.

Ask them to do a Dredge livestream at 41, and let’s see how long that’ll last. While were at it, let’s make them do Grawl 43; I’m willing to bet they’ll ragequit once they hit the boss with that instability

Have you seen them play on the twitch streams? I don’t think they could do Tequatl pre-buff.

Ken DeBoer.9268:

Afya.5842:

39 would work also.

Nope, 49 or 50.

Do you think it’s hard to get 70AR as a dev?
And you don’t have to dodge that much in dredge.

If anything that emphasis dredge fractal, it’s 39 or 41.

I would challenge them further.

Would like to see the stream of it too. My challenge would be to run Dredge, Fire Shaman, Colossus, fractals followed by a molten alliance bosses for final fractal completion.

Time it.

Then take the same time and run the braindead speed dungeon runs.

The challenge is to obtain equal, or what should be dictated by common sense, greater rewards / per time spent in fractals as the low effort dungeon speed runs.

Lets see them accomplish this.

Given how the entire “Fractured” update was swept under the rug, so to speak, lulz at any of this actually happening. They do not care.

Sent to the place threads go to die lol

Wait you mean this thread or the Fractured update?

Welcome to the Void! Here we gaze back into the Mist. With Hope. And Desperation.

I think it would be enough if they just watched a 49 clown car. I don’t know how anyone could look at that and say “yeah, that looks like it scales properly. A time-gate slaughterfest standing in the same spot killing the same enemies that takes 10 minutes sounds like good design.”

Fractals are supposed to keep getting harder and harder until no one can do them. I do hope that this does become the case at which point of course the devs shouldn’t be able to do them either. However, right now the dredge fractal is much much much harder than all other fractals on the same level which is where the problem is. It is conceivable that this level will become basically impossible without thieves once upper levels are released while other fractals will still be fairly easy.

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

I’d like to see their testers do Dredge lvl 49 without a thief. That would be fun to watch.

It’s not lacking a thief that makes dredge horrible to get done, it’s the NEED for a guardian that times reflect wall / shield of the avenger. If you have no guardian for dredge at lvl 49 then good luck to you, sir.

A thief certainly would help, but it’s by no means necessary. Spykits + harpy feathers can suffice for stealthing anyways.

Cmon guys be realistic. Just make them do lvl 10 and im sure they will realise it needs fixing.

Yes, let’s be realistic here,

they will do it in their trademark way.

Dual pistol PVT thief.
Cleric’s staff guardian.
Axe/Axe ranger with whiptail devourer.
Condition staff necro.
Shout healing Warrior.

Optional for bonus points: Great sword/staff mesmer in full celestial!

Purple Miku.7032:

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

I’d like to see their testers do Dredge lvl 49 without a thief. That would be fun to watch.

It’s not lacking a thief that makes dredge horrible to get done, it’s the NEED for a guardian that times reflect wall / shield of the avenger. If you have no guardian for dredge at lvl 49 then good luck to you, sir.

A thief certainly would help, but it’s by no means necessary. Spykits + harpy feathers can suffice for stealthing anyways.

We do fine at the dredge fractal when we do 5 warrior fractal 49s.

Guardians act more like placebo than anything in a fractal like dredge. There’s still a ton of unavoidable damage that will set off despite the proj absorb and I’d rather have even one more mace 5 to knock while we dps than pretty much anything guard can do there. It isn’t really like volcanic, where guards can actually completely trivialize the content just by using a couple skills.

Thieves, on the other hand, will literally make you skip a large part of the most boring parts of the fractal. (post-nerf) Harpy feathers won’t let you fully skip the bomb and rifle events but thieves can. They can also let you completely avoid harpies in uncategorized in a very safe manner.

How many devs do you need to screw in a lightbulb?

Err, devs failed fractured story, how are they supposed to do dredge (even on level 1)?

Wood carvers can make a full chess set, doesn’t mean they’re any good at chess.

obal.3218:

Purple Miku.7032:

Cat Has Ducks.1982:

I’d like to see their testers do Dredge lvl 49 without a thief. That would be fun to watch.

It’s not lacking a thief that makes dredge horrible to get done, it’s the NEED for a guardian that times reflect wall / shield of the avenger. If you have no guardian for dredge at lvl 49 then good luck to you, sir.

A thief certainly would help, but it’s by no means necessary. Spykits + harpy feathers can suffice for stealthing anyways.

We do fine at the dredge fractal when we do 5 warrior fractal 49s.

Yeah i thought the same thing.

Safari.3021:

Wood carvers can make a full chess set, doesn’t mean they’re any good at chess.

Woodcarvers didn’t invent chess though.

Wethospu.6437:

Safari.3021:

Wood carvers can make a full chess set, doesn’t mean they’re any good at chess.

Woodcarvers didn’t invent chess though.

Anet didn’t invent games.. ~_~ way to miss the train yo

Anet invented GW2 though. Or at least I hope so.

Wethospu.6437:

Anet invented GW2 though. Or at least I hope so.

Anet is not one person cool generalization you’re making here, infact just like how that wood carver is doing his job, so are Guild Wars 2’s Art Designers, Does that mean the art designers DEFINITLY have to know how to play? nope they’re just following whats being requested of them, like how the publisher owns the whole piece of kitten.

Wethospu.6437:

Anet invented GW2 though. Or at least I hope so.

But is the Anet developing GW2 now the same as the Anet that invented GW2 then?

Back to the original point..

Is it really wrong to expect the devs to be able to play their own content? Is that asking too much?

J Eberle.9312:

Back to the original point..

Is it really wrong to expect the devs to be able to play their own content? Is that asking too much?

I don’t think it’s a big deal if the devs can’t play the content, as long as they get skilled testers that can accurately gauge whether the content is difficult or not (and not artifical difficulty, like spawning a million dredge). As it stands now, they probably have a bunch of skill clicking staff guardians testing their content.

Ephemeral.5409:

J Eberle.9312:

Back to the original point..

Is it really wrong to expect the devs to be able to play their own content? Is that asking too much?

I don’t think it’s a big deal if the devs can’t play the content, as long as they get skilled testers that can accurately gauge whether the content is difficult or not (and not artifical difficulty, like spawning a million dredge). As it stands now, they probably have a bunch of skill clicking staff guardians testing their content.

this although i dont have an issue with dredge currently apart from the boring clown car.

Cries Of Sorrow.5864:

as long as they get skilled testers that can accurately gauge whether the content is difficult or not (and not artifical difficulty, like spawning a million dredge)

Which they definitely seem to lack of.

Cries Of Sorrow.5864:

Wethospu.6437:

Anet invented GW2 though. Or at least I hope so.

Anet is not one person cool generalization you’re making here, infact just like how that wood carver is doing his job, so are Guild Wars 2’s Art Designers, Does that mean the art designers DEFINITLY have to know how to play? nope they’re just following whats being requested of them, like how the publisher owns the whole piece of kitten.

I don’t think anyone here is asking their art designers to play. Unless of course those art designers designed Underground facility.

Kinda stupid that they fix all exploits, and yet still keep the fractal stupidly long. Also they haven’t even fixed the ‘invulnerable’ glitch yet on the dredge that spawn at the clowncar.

Anicetus.1253:

Cries Of Sorrow.5864:

as long as they get skilled testers that can accurately gauge whether the content is difficult or not (and not artifical difficulty, like spawning a million dredge)

Which they definitely seem to lack of.

and sadly this is the case.

Kinda stupid that they fix all exploits, and yet still keep the fractal stupidly long. Also they haven’t even fixed the ‘invulnerable’ glitch yet on the dredge that spawn at the clowncar.

I always believed this was some kind of spawn protection LOL, like players have when they just respawned at a waypoint.

Can they do it? Maybe. But it might take all afternoon. I’d honestly pay real people money to see that.