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Posted by: Jabberwock.9014

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I’ve been trying to make some money speed running CoF path 1, and find it’s quite efficient. However, there is one speed bump that I encounter when trying to find a group on gw2lfg: people only accepting warriors, and to a lesser degree thiefs/mesmers, for speedrun groups. As an ele it makes me rather angry, since I can give everybody 19 stacks of might every 20 seconds or so while doing significant condition damage. Surely this is better than running 4 warriors and a mesmer? Or is the dps really so skewed in favor of warriors that no other group comp compares?

Unfortunately it seems many of the most hardcore farming groups have adopted this policy, so it is significantly harder for me to find an experienced group…

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Posted by: swiftpaw.6397

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Eles are always welcome in my parties, and I do a pretty fast run. I wouldn’t blame the class for poor runs, I would l blame the players of your class. I’ve seen some very sloppy eles. I also have seen some amazing eles that I would take over a warrior every time. Unfortunately playing a good ele takes skill that I have noticed most pick ups don’t have., where as playing warrior is a faceroll to achieve the same effectiveness. So I guess a pug on lfg is going to prefer the warrior.

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Posted by: Lorana.2468

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the might you give is irellevant a warrior can buff his own might to 25 stacks very easily and he can keep it there almost indefinately so long as he can hit an opponent.

you do however bring other things to the table, but damage compared to a warrior is not one of them.

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Posted by: Ald.9418

Ald.9418

The problem lies in most Ele’s thinking they’re fire mages and never swap attunements. I personally love a good Ele, but there aren’t many out there that pug.

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Posted by: Alucard.8297

Alucard.8297

It’s a run I did recently, timed from the door exploding to when the final boss dies (when you gain experience from the death), about 6:27. Go for beating that —

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Posted by: Jabberwock.9014

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Man, I guess it’s true. Can’t compete with that dps when mobs just stand and take 100b so easily. Really badly designed move imo, and way too op against the dumb ai in this game. I really hope anet gives eles better dps at some point… rolling with the lowest hp and armor class, I expected the best dps to compensate. But then I find out our only viable build is essentially a tank (bunker build).

Unfortunately the worst problem can’t really be solved, and that is crappy eles giving my class a bad name. Guess I’ll have to roll a warrior even though they’re so kitten boring… sigh

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Posted by: AusterlitZ.7941

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noobs play ele really bad,and give the impression to others it’s a bad class,if played at 90%-100% potential,the class is unbalanced compared to the rest in both PvE and PvP

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Posted by: swiftpaw.6397

swiftpaw.6397

Man, I guess it’s true. Can’t compete with that dps when mobs just stand and take 100b so easily. Really badly designed move imo, and way too op against the dumb ai in this game. I really hope anet gives eles better dps at some point… rolling with the lowest hp and armor class, I expected the best dps to compensate. But then I find out our only viable build is essentially a tank (bunker build).

Unfortunately the worst problem can’t really be solved, and that is crappy eles giving my class a bad name. Guess I’ll have to roll a warrior even though they’re so kitten boring… sigh

Owning an 80 ranger is also thoroughly depressing, not only is it mediocre damage (and you have to work really hard to maintain it) and the pet is a hindrance more often than not (pulling unwanted mobs and kitten), it cant even bring much to the table in terms of support. Take solace in the fact that you can at least be useful to your party as an ele, especially if you are skilled.

I have a guardian, this is also an excellent choice for dungeons if you find warriors boring, they require a bit more attention and skill to play and are a huge asset to the party as well.

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Posted by: Strifey.7215

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3 war + 2 mesmer is the fastest comp I’ve found. Lets you do 6 min. runs from the exploding door.

You don’t need an ele for might stacks, that’s what signet of inspiration in the mesmers are for. 25 stacks of might stacks over a minute for everyone. Mesmers bring way more to speed clears with portal + blink for instant fire rock event, time warp, signet of inspiration, and reflections for final boss.

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Posted by: Jay.3284

Jay.3284

The problem lies in most Ele’s thinking they’re fire mages and never swap attunements. I personally love a good Ele, but there aren’t many out there that pug.

This x100…
Most Ele pugs have no clue how to switch attunements and the majority of them are just glass with barely any damage

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Posted by: haviz.1340

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25 stacks of might stacks over a minute for everyone.

Those stacks last for 10s and you can only give them every 30s. I don’t think I understood you well here.

Mesmers bring way more to speed clears with portal + blink for instant fire rock event.

Ele with portal gun can do it as well.

time warp, signet of inspiration, and reflections for final boss.

Okay, nothing can beat time warp but it only doubles dps for 10s every 210s. And ele can give boons in same or even more efficient way than mes with signet.

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Posted by: laokoko.7403

laokoko.7403

Ya but you are still running a pick up group. Would you rather pickup a potential warrior noob or potential elementist noob. That is the question.

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Posted by: Koga.7215

Koga.7215

speed is always a factor of player skill more than class.

yesterday I joined a 4war pug with my thief for p1, and it was one of the slowest runs I have ever had, spent more time rezzing then dpsing cause the wars were so bad.

All of this war only crap has lead everyone to run up a war (war is so easy/fast to level) to run with and there are so many kittenty wars running around now that unless I know the person I almost prefer anything but a war since most of them suck anyways.

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Posted by: climhazzard.5897

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A hammer guardian 2 or 3 100b warriors (sometimes we have a guy that like axes) and a glass cannon mesmer is the comp i usually have for this, 10 or 12 minutes for a full clear no skipping.

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Posted by: Saturn L O L.1406

Saturn L O L.1406

We do 1x guard 2x war 1x ele (for might stacking) 1x mesmer

We can easily get in 3 runs with 1 omnomberry bar

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Posted by: Dalbert.2619

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Fastest run I’ve timed from the door is 6min, 4 seconds with 2 mesmer and 3 war. We often take a theif, 2 mesmer, 2 war though. Sub 7-min runs are typical

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aura sharing .. perma fury <3

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Posted by: Charming Rogue.8071

Charming Rogue.8071

LOL, idiots. I never care about the professions I have in my groups and the completion time usually lies more in the hands of the players than the professions (e.g. noob players that don’t know wtf to do or die all the time).

That being said, I try to always have at least 1 elementalist in my groups, especially on path 2 at the final boss.

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Posted by: NightyNight.1823

NightyNight.1823

Well , it is faster whit Warriors and Thieves(big deal ,1 min or 2 mins faster, wow) and its sad to be in that situation but what did you think you would acomplish by making this post?

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Posted by: Strifey.7215

Strifey.7215

25 stacks of might stacks over a minute for everyone.

Those stacks last for 10s and you can only give them every 30s. I don’t think I understood you well here.

Mesmers bring way more to speed clears with portal + blink for instant fire rock event.

Ele with portal gun can do it as well.

time warp, signet of inspiration, and reflections for final boss.

Okay, nothing can beat time warp but it only doubles dps for 10s every 210s. And ele can give boons in same or even more efficient way than mes with signet.

Ah gotcha on the 10 sec. thing.

There are very few fighting sequences in CoF 1. 1 time warp for the first boss in a dps group and you can kill it in about 10-11 sec, then 2 for the last boss. Also shatter speced mesmers do more single target dps then eles. And portal gun doesn’t have the same range as mesmer portal, any class can use those.

Double Portal let’s you do the entire dungeon from first door to boss dying in 7 min, because you can grab Ferrah while someone sits in the video for 2-3s, activate vote, get both portals to reach the 2nd door which will bring Ferrah with you, finish the vote, and then Magg will appear at the door, shaving off about 30 seconds from them actually having to run from the very bottom.

Portal gun isn’t the same as portal down before the boulder door, then mesmer blink across while the others grab boulders and just portal across.

I’ll try to get a video of our 7 minute run tonight.

I’m just talking about absolutely fastest speed run times from start to finish, obviously not something you’re going to be aiming for in a pug. 3 war + 2 mesmer is the fastest I’ve managed it with, when you only run guild/dedicated groups and you’ve run CoF money runs hundreds of times the only “challenging” part is trying to figure out the absolute fastest you could try to complete the path. It’s what keeps me from being bored out of my mind.

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Posted by: BUTTERBLUME.3217

BUTTERBLUME.3217

When do you actually start counting? The moment you select the path or when the gate opens?

The slave driver falls within one timewarp, endboss in 2. You can not really have an impact on the rest.

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Posted by: haviz.1340

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-snip-

Portal gun has same or very similiar range to normal portal. Unless you mean its leap range only. You can use portal gun and use that waypoint thats nearby.

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Posted by: Strifey.7215

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-snip-

Portal gun has same or very similiar range to normal portal. Unless you mean its leap range only. You can use portal gun and use that waypoint thats nearby.

I mean it’s leap range. It doesn’t make sense to run across, then portal gun and waypoint. The issue isn’t running across the flaming boulder path, that’s easy. The issue is doing it as fast as possible, by allowing mesmer to lay down the portal opening when the door first opens, have the memser ignore picking up a flaming boulder and just quickly blink across and set down the portal exit, while the other 4 people can pick up a boulder and just enter the portal in the meantime.

Shaves off about 3-4 seconds. You have to try and shave off as much time as possible to hit sub 7 minutes from the very first door into the dungeon.

Again not saying you can’t use eles or whatever, but in terms of fastest speed runs eles offer nothing over mesmers that can portal, do more single target dps with berserker shatter specs, offer insane 10 sec damage increases when you can kill the first boss in 10 seconds anyways, have focus pull for easily grouping up the mobs at the first 2 flame turrets, and can easily feedback the last boss to reflect 30k damage back at it when it uses knockdown crystals.

Those are the things Mesmer brings to the speed run since there’s really no survivability issues with P1.

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Posted by: haviz.1340

haviz.1340

Well, we can bring ideas to the table but imho Anet will nerf that path pretty hardly in near future. Plus shatter mes is on anet’s watch list (unless your spec doesn’t involve Shattered Strength).

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Posted by: Spazza.6024

Spazza.6024

If you think getting into the CoF farm party as ele is hard try getting into a CoF farm party as a necro.

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Posted by: Strifey.7215

Strifey.7215

Well, we can bring ideas to the table but imho Anet will nerf that path pretty hardly in near future. Plus shatter mes is on anet’s watch list (unless your spec doesn’t involve Shattered Strength).

Yep it’s the typical shatter spec, 20-20-0-0-30. Of course they may nerf CoF1, or shattered strength, or the other hundred skills/paths that are too easy/hard/OP etc.

My post wasn’t about ideas and predicting the future, I’m saying based on what we do every night Mesmer brings more to maximize speed runs then other classes, that’s it, simple.

To the typical player, 7 min vs 7.5 min may mean nothing, but when you’re trying to break times and have fun maximizing speed runs with your friends then the things I explained matter, which is simply why Memser is better then Ele for speed runs when trying to go for fastest times possible.

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Posted by: Amaethon.8710

Amaethon.8710

Guardian, Elementalist, Mesmer, and 2x Warrior (IMO).

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Posted by: Alucard.8297

Alucard.8297

I have to agree with strifey (who has the best time on the stage, as far as I know)— 2 mesmers and 3 warriors is simply the fastest possible setup. There’s no need for a tank, 2 time warps is a big enough burst to take down all the bosses (the last boss may survive a little longer, would depend on optimal skill cycling), and warriors are [arguably] faster when it comes to straight, consistent, damage.

In terms of damage & speed, 3k auto-attacks are hard to beat, no matter what class you are. 2 time warps are literally impossible to beat, no matter what class you are.

IMO 2 mesmers should be in any kind of speedrunning group thats looking for the optimal time, in any dungeon. The only reason you wouldn’t want 2 mesmers is if 1 mesmer’s time warp is enough to take down every single boss, or there’s enough space between bosses for the mesmer to use his time warp whenever it would be significantly useful. Can’t beat the burst of 2x attack speed for an entire group.

On paper time warp may not look like much, but in reality it’s better than any other boon in the game— and usually it’s combined with multiple other boons anyway, like 25 stacks of might.

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Posted by: Nagorn.2307

Nagorn.2307

We always do it with guardian, 2x warriors, ele and mesmer killing all the mobs, 10mins run. Anyway i think the best setup would be:
Guardian healer, enoughts heals and boons to maintain the warriors hitting without evade nothing
3x warriors, full berserker GS
Mesmer, full berserker SW

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Posted by: Highly.8347

Highly.8347

The problem lies in most Ele’s thinking they’re fire mages and never swap attunements. I personally love a good Ele, but there aren’t many out there that pug.

As an Elementalist, I want to yell at people I see who run staff Ele. and stay in Fire all fight. If you’re not stance dancing, laying down AoE Fields, and keeping your DoTs ticking then you’re doing it wrong.