Guild Wars 2

this still alive? im lvl 80 in fracs and im not saying i dont glitch but i can do it without glitching a single fractal
if you cant do lvl 16 or higher it just means you need more practice in doing it, or get a better team

for example you complain about arm seals not being doable if you kill first 4 chanters,
thats actually part of the design, it means you need to be careful
and if i have a good team, i can still kill all 4 chanters and complete it at lvl 50

hell, at lvl 16 i could duo most fracs with a friend of mine.

Fact is : when all the mobs from one side are killed, another waves pops. So if I don’t kill mobs from one side, the next wave won’t come, right. So may someone enlighten me : how’s that a glitch or an exploit ?

In the hammer fractals, there are exploits, but this one is not. If you want an example, I could give this one : you pull the mob on the first side, place it [I won’t tell it here], so the sigil won’t regenerate and the “puller” is OOC (so people in the corridor can rez if needed). That’s an exploit.

We tried to beat it the normal way but the chanters just out regened the seals to full before we could get back from the previous smash. We were running big aoe builds and even clearing seals before we left the certain area to go to the next.

Problem comes from your group

This glitch is common knowledge to any fractal runner and if you mess it up , it causes a group disband in most cases. It literally is the only way the giant seal level can be beaten past 20.

Pure bullkitten

The dredge level has issues too. People still jump over the opening in the panel room. There is no chance for anyone to fight and infinite battle when running bombs to the gate so everyone just suicide runs.

I run, I set my bomb, I run a bit till the bomb explodes, I go ooc and wait for the next bomb wave (fractal 60+ btw). Maybe you should just learn how to play your class, and how to do an homogeneous group ? And I only play with PUGs. The first fractal (swamp) is a test : I will ask for a kick if someone shows he lacks experience. As a result, no whipe in my last… 30 levels maybe

Oega Boogabooga.6207:

this still alive? im lvl 80 in fracs and im not saying i dont glitch but i can do it without glitching a single fractal
if you cant do lvl 16 or higher it just means you need more practice in doing it, or get a better team

for example you complain about arm seals not being doable if you kill first 4 chanters,
thats actually part of the design, it means you need to be careful
and if i have a good team, i can still kill all 4 chanters and complete it at lvl 50

hell, at lvl 16 i could duo most fracs with a friend of mine.

Cool….
well i don t even believe you, but i really don t care…..
That is an issue for 99,9% players if you are the 0,01 and can solo arah expl gratz to you…..its not a good reason to not fix issues for MOST players.

Expecially because even if you are perfect a single PUG can throw out of the Windows 1,5 hours play…..

P.S. i didn t say wich lvl i play nor what i find difficult….i can say this.
I’ve run more fractals that most players…..and 80% of my playtime is fotm since it was released.

P.P.S: where are all those uber skilled players in game?
Everyone plays lvl 79 with pugs and never fails ON THE FORUM…..but gw2lfg is Always empty past 40….and when you find people .____________. well …..better have guardians and warriors….
SOmething is wrong….on a forum nobody knows you are a kitten.

LordByron.8369:

Oega Boogabooga.6207:

this still alive? im lvl 80 in fracs and im not saying i dont glitch but i can do it without glitching a single fractal
if you cant do lvl 16 or higher it just means you need more practice in doing it, or get a better team

for example you complain about arm seals not being doable if you kill first 4 chanters,
thats actually part of the design, it means you need to be careful
and if i have a good team, i can still kill all 4 chanters and complete it at lvl 50

hell, at lvl 16 i could duo most fracs with a friend of mine.

Cool….
well i don t even believe you, but i really don t care…..
That is an issue for 99,9% players if you are the 0,01 and can solo arah expl gratz to you…..its not a good reason to not fix issues for MOST players.

Expecially because even if you are perfect a single PUG can throw out of the Windows 1,5 hours play…..

P.S. i didn t say wich lvl i play nor what i find difficult….i can say this.
I’ve run more fractals that most players…..and 80% of my playtime is fotm since it was released.

P.P.S: where are all those uber skilled players in game?
Everyone plays lvl 79 with pugs and never fails ON THE FORUM…..but gw2lfg is Always empty past 40….and when you find people .____________. well …..better have guardians and warriors….
SOmething is wrong….on a forum nobody knows you are a kitten.

Yeah, let’s make things even easier ! I think it’s a pretty good game design actually, and it should be repeated in many other places. For instance, for Lupi, I think the stacks of worms should not be reseted even if everyone whipes/tries to reset the boss. That would be challenging, and so is the hammer fractal is you fail at the chest sigil.

LordByron.8369:

Oega Boogabooga.6207:

this still alive? im lvl 80 in fracs and im not saying i dont glitch but i can do it without glitching a single fractal
if you cant do lvl 16 or higher it just means you need more practice in doing it, or get a better team

for example you complain about arm seals not being doable if you kill first 4 chanters,
thats actually part of the design, it means you need to be careful
and if i have a good team, i can still kill all 4 chanters and complete it at lvl 50

hell, at lvl 16 i could duo most fracs with a friend of mine.

Cool….
well i don t even believe you, but i really don t care…..
That is an issue for 99,9% players if you are the 0,01 and can solo arah expl gratz to you…..its not a good reason to not fix issues for MOST players.

Expecially because even if you are perfect a single PUG can throw out of the Windows 1,5 hours play…..

P.S. i didn t say wich lvl i play nor what i find difficult….i can say this.
I’ve run more fractals that most players…..and 80% of my playtime is fotm since it was released.

P.P.S: where are all those uber skilled players in game?
Everyone plays lvl 79 with pugs and never fails ON THE FORUM…..but gw2lfg is Always empty past 40….and when you find people .____________. well …..better have guardians and warriors….
SOmething is wrong….on a forum nobody knows you are a kitten.

Likely he got to fotm 80 by using exploits back before the patch that now stops you from going past 50. So really even mentioning that is irrelevant and probably just a ‘omg look at me I’m all the way up here’ thing.

Getting up to the current cap however, is not impossible without exploits. The OP is just making a mountain out of a molehill because he’s struggling with poor teams at 16, which is no surprise to me really.. There are some utterly dreadful players down at the lower levels, and they stay down there for good reason.

When I advertise for a 48 group in gw2lfg it takes ages to find people, and then even longer to weed out the idiots before starting. I’m not sure if this is because there’s a lack of decent players, or because nobody really wants to do 40+ as it’s a waste of time, money wise. I think the real issue with fotm is the time vs. reward. There really is no reason to do it unless you want skins or bags, and the skins are a real awful gamble.

and what about that if you dye your character gets deleted?

Some players asked that

Now how would you feel if they listened to those minority?
Possibly as all those players that used to play Ascalonian catacombs

LordByron.8369:

and what about that if you dye your character gets deleted?

Some players asked that

Now how would you feel if they listened to those minority?
Possibly as all those players that used to play Ascalonian catacombs

Exageration to hide the lack of arguments… How surprising !

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Nachtz.4930:

LordByron.8369:

and what about that if you dye your character gets deleted?

Some players asked that

Now how would you feel if they listened to those minority?
Possibly as all those players that used to play Ascalonian catacombs

Exageration to hide the lack of arguments… How surprising !

its what you are doing…

You are saying….“i can do it lvl 50 even if i fail so its fine and well designed”

Its not! 99% players have that issue…you don t count..
I just showed what happens when devs ignore the 99% and give credits to the 1 % (ascalon) and what would happen if you were in the 99% and the 1% was asking unreasonable things.

You are to common players what those asking for delete on Death are to you…
Plain and simple

If they didn’t intend for you to be able to leave 1 chanter alive, making it easier than if you just blindly zerker everything down, they could just make it so it starts in the infinite respawn of large waves instead of 2 on each side. They clearly put in effort to allow you to simplify the fight if you bother to think about the mechanics. This is as close to exploiting as pressing 6 or reviving.

LordByron.8369:

Nachtz.4930:

LordByron.8369:

and what about that if you dye your character gets deleted?

Some players asked that

Now how would you feel if they listened to those minority?
Possibly as all those players that used to play Ascalonian catacombs

Exageration to hide the lack of arguments… How surprising !

its what you are doing…

You are saying….“i can do it lvl 50 even if i fail so its fine and well designed”

Not at all but let’s keep on… Maybe you should read my post and take the words for what they are instead of trying to interpret them.

LordByron.8369:

Its not! 99% players have that issue…you don t count..
I just showed what happens when devs ignore the 99% and give credits to the 1 % (ascalon) and what would happen if you were in the 99% and the 1% was asking unreasonable things.

You are to common players what those asking for delete on Death are to you…
Plain and simple

Yeah, like 99% of groups had problem with Lupicus, and now it’s a faceroll boss with 0 challenge. We should beg for the game to become harder, not easier (I pray for a revamp of CoF P1). I had problem with this fractal before, then I learnt how to deal with it. I just learnt from players who were more skilled than me in fractal, and now I don’t have any problem anymore, whatever the level. It’s a very simple strat, there is like nothing hard to apply it, and if your group doesn’t, don’t complain about the game design, it’s your own fault… Oh and if you are so über-pro in fractal, you should know that there’s a trick to go through this fractal even if the mobs of the 1st sigil have been killed.

I can’t believe it, people asking for this game to get even easier, lolol.

Nachtz.4930:

I had problem with this fractal before, then I learnt how to deal with it.

as i said …..
ONE <== player can screw all.
If you are not that one and happen a single BAD pug you get punished despite the rest of the party skill.

Now considering most players nowaday goes for zerker because EVERYTHING ELSE pushes you in that direction….. you are doomed to fail because ONE RANDOM players messed it up.

And actually i have still to see ANYONE recover it at 30+

Not a surprise that fotms are really frustrating at 26 and get easier later…..
A thing that people that really plays with pugs knows well.

If this game is too easy for you….well ask yourself is it better to insult the majority of players or just find something that is chllenging?

Maybe switching profession would help…..seeing as PvE is utterly completely unbalanced atm.

swiftpaw.6397:

LordByron.8369:

Oega Boogabooga.6207:

this still alive? im lvl 80 in fracs and im not saying i dont glitch but i can do it without glitching a single fractal
if you cant do lvl 16 or higher it just means you need more practice in doing it, or get a better team

for example you complain about arm seals not being doable if you kill first 4 chanters,
thats actually part of the design, it means you need to be careful
and if i have a good team, i can still kill all 4 chanters and complete it at lvl 50

hell, at lvl 16 i could duo most fracs with a friend of mine.

Cool….
well i don t even believe you, but i really don t care…..
That is an issue for 99,9% players if you are the 0,01 and can solo arah expl gratz to you…..its not a good reason to not fix issues for MOST players.

Expecially because even if you are perfect a single PUG can throw out of the Windows 1,5 hours play…..

P.S. i didn t say wich lvl i play nor what i find difficult….i can say this.
I’ve run more fractals that most players…..and 80% of my playtime is fotm since it was released.

P.P.S: where are all those uber skilled players in game?
Everyone plays lvl 79 with pugs and never fails ON THE FORUM…..but gw2lfg is Always empty past 40….and when you find people .____________. well …..better have guardians and warriors….
SOmething is wrong….on a forum nobody knows you are a kitten.

Likely he got to fotm 80 by using exploits back before the patch that now stops you from going past 50. So really even mentioning that is irrelevant and probably just a ‘omg look at me I’m all the way up here’ thing.

Getting up to the current cap however, is not impossible without exploits. The OP is just making a mountain out of a molehill because he’s struggling with poor teams at 16, which is no surprise to me really.. There are some utterly dreadful players down at the lower levels, and they stay down there for good reason.

When I advertise for a 48 group in gw2lfg it takes ages to find people, and then even longer to weed out the idiots before starting. I’m not sure if this is because there’s a lack of decent players, or because nobody really wants to do 40+ as it’s a waste of time, money wise. I think the real issue with fotm is the time vs. reward. There really is no reason to do it unless you want skins or bags, and the skins are a real awful gamble.

you dont believe i have 80? if you want to see i’ll show in game, and i even got it after the patch that made it impossible going past lvl 50,

infact the people i did it with are still doing 70+ after the recent patch that fixed dredge & ice

how?? because you dont need to do lvl 78 to open lvl 79 you just need some1 in your party who is lvl 79

you also dont need exploits to get to lvl 80,
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Ascalon, all you need is good luring crowd controll and having the npcs do the work for you,both on the captain and the big mobs

ice, if you cant do this you really need to think about switching proff as this frac dousnt reset

swamp, just needs some practice, if you have trouble with mossman RESS ON WOLVES and when he goes stealth, watch the mini map you’ll see who he goes for and you can even dodge his first attack

asura, i admit raving asura can be challanging there but all it requires is some1 that knows how to kyte the asura and the other 4 need a tactic on the 4 golems(this is a tactic NOT a glitch

water, the groups can be hard but if you manage to lure em and seperate em you can slowly take out their numbers

colossus, the boss can be challanging but if you take out the chanters before killing him it can be done
also the chanters on the seals are tactics, not glitches to leave 1 alive..

i admit that shaman can be very hard, but with the right group and right tactics you can easely do it, how? as soon as his shield goes up, have an Ele/nech/ranger chill him, while the rest of the group takes out the elementals

i don t believe you can recover a messed up cliffside arm seals at 50 without 2 guardians or a party expecially done for that reason (i.e. not changing to alts for recovering).

prenerf many guildies went to 80….and i ll tell you this

I can play with pugs but they seems to fail more than me at that…..
Playing with pugs is the challenge…and not because pugs are bad…most of them are not….

LordByron.8369:

i don t believe you can recover a messed up cliffside arm seals at 50 without 2 guardians or a party expecially done for that reason (i.e. not changing to alts for recovering).

prenerf many guildies went to 80….and i ll tell you this

I can play with pugs but they seems to fail more than me at that…..
Playing with pugs is the challenge…and not because pugs are bad…most of them are not….

i never said without 2 gaurdians ,
i said with a good team where every1 has done several runs with eachoter then recovering from arm seals is possible

I don’t always run berserker. Lord, you are digging a grave here. Just stop.

FOTM <20 is easy. Try doing FOTM >30 without glitches. Also on a side note the glitches aren’t game-breaking, they just make the experience much much quicker and easier.

That’s glitch???
I now wonder if running crystals before engaging old tom is glitch too.

Chewablesleeptablet.3185:

I don’t see how anyone could even get to 20 without using glitching or exploits. I just did Fotm lvl 16 and our last level was the giant with seals. We messed up on the glitch where you keep a certain chanter alive so a whole lot more don’t spawn in the (alternatively destroy 2 seals part).

We tried to beat it the normal way but the chanters just out regened the seals to full before we could get back from the previous smash. We were running big aoe builds and even clearing seals before we left the certain area to go to the next.

This glitch is common knowledge to any fractal runner and if you mess it up , it causes a group disband in most cases. It literally is the only way the giant seal level can be beaten past 20.

No, it’s not a glitch, it’s just putting your brain to work. It’s a helpful tactic and isn’t against the “fractal rules”, and that’s why ANet allows it.
Stacking at the boss so he’ll get stunned was a problem, and it was fixed

The OP apparently doesn’t know the difference between a glitch and a game mechanic.

LordByron.8369:

i don t believe you can recover a messed up cliffside arm seals at 50 without 2 guardians

Why would you do such a high level fractal without two Guardians in the first place?

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

LordByron.8369:

i don t believe you can recover a messed up cliffside arm seals at 50 without 2 guardians

Why would you do such a high level fractal without two Guardians in the first place?

because if i need 2 guardians to play them it just proves my pont the design is wrong.
Also because finding 2 guardians for a PUG party is really difficult.

LordByron.8369:

Nike Porphyrogenita.8137:

LordByron.8369:

i don t believe you can recover a messed up cliffside arm seals at 50 without 2 guardians

Why would you do such a high level fractal without two Guardians in the first place?

because if i need 2 guardians to play them it just proves my pont the design is wrong.
Also because finding 2 guardians for a PUG party is really difficult.

I think your real problem is depending on random people with varying skill level and expecting that everything should go perfectly. You’ve got a friends list and you’ve got the option to join a guild that specializes in dungeons / PvE content. I do have to say, your logic on exploits makes me wonder if you consider joining a guild and using your friends list to be exploits too.

People don’t ask for Guardians because the game design is wrong, but rather because Guardians were designed to provide utility to deal with encounters like what you find in fractals. You don’t NEED to have 2 Guardians, but it makes things easier because of the blocks and projectile reflection (among other things like stability and protection) that they offer. If you want to take a group composed of Rangers, you could utilize safer combat mechanics like using ranged weapons and being able to evade more attacks and you could make it fairly high up into fractals. I can’t seem to understand why you think that using class mechanics to counter boss or game mechanics is an exploit, but you really need to examine your logic behind it.

My logic on workarounds (got infracted because i used trhe word “exploit” XD by a mod that don t have an idea on what we are talking about….).

Its the fifth time since november i have this discussion about fotms “workarounds”…
They al referred to things changed in next Patches.

History is someting like this:
1) I answered agreeing a player discussing his issues with dredge fractal.
People promptly answered “you can jump in from rear of the console”
FIxed next patch

2) another player complained about the fractal and i agreed once again
People said “l2p use spykits” (this was almost your same exact answer because spykits are in gme so they are meant to be used).
I told “guys the use of a karma item cannot be intended they will one day change it”.

3) same thing for luring dredge champion out of the room

4) again for “wheels” workaround

5) and again for luring mobs out of champion room

Since then the dredge fractal changed to be from a good farming fractal to the most annoying, boring and long fractal.

What do you expect will happen when they will eventually “change” jump in cage?
And next again “when they will remove the ability to die on switches to trigger doors”?

Instead of admitting this is a mess of a fractal taking alone more than twice than any other, people continue to answer L2P i’m a pro i can solo it at 80 upleveled (sarcasm).

So in 2 patche we will end up with the most frustrating thing in the game taking 2 hours to complete….

for a grand total of 3 greens and 2 blues in the final chest.

Or we could stop the prsonal glorification leit motif and admit changing something would benefit every player.
Even now the fractal is not challenging is annoying.

TL:DR i can either predict future or its quite proven that anet vision of balance tends to find tactics i say are “workarounds” as not intended and remove them, but possibly reading so many people writing l2p they possibly don t deal with the issue that leads this fractal to the most “workarounded” part of the game…

You can go higher then 50 now. You just need 1 person to open uneven levels for you. So you do 51, 53, 55, 57…..79. You cannot only kill jade maw so no daily.

All in all the dredge fractal is challenging and that is actually a good thing. And I do find it interesting with the different mechanics AND the loot.

The problem is more : it’s too long. It can be compared to a typical dungeon run (not talking about CoF 1 obv), but in fractals you have to play 4 of them in a row. So imo the design is fine, they should just make each part less tedious. Lower the amount of dredges in the cage, lower the amount of bombs/dredges in the next event, lower the amount of dredges and the champ HP in the room, remove the trash to last boss…

I think the perfect fractals are ascalon, frost, water and lava (even if the boss is a bit OTT). 3 separate events not too long, not separated by long runs, to the end boss. The others can be perfected :
- colossus has too much running and is very bugged
- swamp is too short (one event really ?)
- dredge, the intermediate events are too long
- asura is also unnecessary long, the 4 boss event is too long and boring, the running between the events take a ton of time with all those harpies

I beg to differ…

Tell me what changes between dredge fractal at 26 or at 49.
HP mostly….
And the fact that at 26 its way harder with pugs….

you know most fotm players are more concerned to play lvl 20 with pugs than 40?
Did you wonder why?
because they don t know what to do and have to look for visual clues….but the game don t let you adapt when dredges can onsehot easily and you fface Groups of 8-10.

I can just say that with a strong AI this fractal would be impossible to 99% layers from lvl 26.
But its impossible to have such AI in a mmorpg yet.

P,S, Kiting asura far from bots is another tctic “i predict” will be revised ……
and if you use staff ele on shaman you should try other weaponset asap.
The issue with lava are vets grawls event not shaman (the boss should be reskinned so som skills don t cover his Attacks in particles effects making dodge impossible).

Oega Boogabooga.6207:

swiftpaw.6397:

LordByron.8369:

Oega Boogabooga.6207:

this still alive? im lvl 80 in fracs and im not saying i dont glitch but i can do it without glitching a single fractal
if you cant do lvl 16 or higher it just means you need more practice in doing it, or get a better team

for example you complain about arm seals not being doable if you kill first 4 chanters,
thats actually part of the design, it means you need to be careful
and if i have a good team, i can still kill all 4 chanters and complete it at lvl 50

hell, at lvl 16 i could duo most fracs with a friend of mine.

Cool….
well i don t even believe you, but i really don t care…..
That is an issue for 99,9% players if you are the 0,01 and can solo arah expl gratz to you…..its not a good reason to not fix issues for MOST players.

Expecially because even if you are perfect a single PUG can throw out of the Windows 1,5 hours play…..

P.S. i didn t say wich lvl i play nor what i find difficult….i can say this.
I’ve run more fractals that most players…..and 80% of my playtime is fotm since it was released.

P.P.S: where are all those uber skilled players in game?
Everyone plays lvl 79 with pugs and never fails ON THE FORUM…..but gw2lfg is Always empty past 40….and when you find people .____________. well …..better have guardians and warriors….
SOmething is wrong….on a forum nobody knows you are a kitten.

Likely he got to fotm 80 by using exploits back before the patch that now stops you from going past 50. So really even mentioning that is irrelevant and probably just a ‘omg look at me I’m all the way up here’ thing.

Getting up to the current cap however, is not impossible without exploits. The OP is just making a mountain out of a molehill because he’s struggling with poor teams at 16, which is no surprise to me really.. There are some utterly dreadful players down at the lower levels, and they stay down there for good reason.

When I advertise for a 48 group in gw2lfg it takes ages to find people, and then even longer to weed out the idiots before starting. I’m not sure if this is because there’s a lack of decent players, or because nobody really wants to do 40+ as it’s a waste of time, money wise. I think the real issue with fotm is the time vs. reward. There really is no reason to do it unless you want skins or bags, and the skins are a real awful gamble.

you dont believe i have 80? if you want to see i’ll show in game, and i even got it after the patch that made it impossible going past lvl 50,

infact the people i did it with are still doing 70+ after the recent patch that fixed dredge & ice

how?? because you dont need to do lvl 78 to open lvl 79 you just need some1 in your party who is lvl 79

you also dont need exploits to get to lvl 80,
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Ascalon, all you need is good luring crowd controll and having the npcs do the work for you,both on the captain and the big mobs

ice, if you cant do this you really need to think about switching proff as this frac dousnt reset

swamp, just needs some practice, if you have trouble with mossman RESS ON WOLVES and when he goes stealth, watch the mini map you’ll see who he goes for and you can even dodge his first attack

asura, i admit raving asura can be challanging there but all it requires is some1 that knows how to kyte the asura and the other 4 need a tactic on the 4 golems(this is a tactic NOT a glitch

water, the groups can be hard but if you manage to lure em and seperate em you can slowly take out their numbers

colossus, the boss can be challanging but if you take out the chanters before killing him it can be done
also the chanters on the seals are tactics, not glitches to leave 1 alive..

i admit that shaman can be very hard, but with the right group and right tactics you can easely do it, how? as soon as his shield goes up, have an Ele/nech/ranger chill him, while the rest of the group takes out the elementals

Actually I figured you would know this, but it’s the jade maw that is the issue. You cannot go past 50 because res orbs no longer work, 99% doesn’t work etc etc. I never said I don’t believe you have 80. I have friends who got it before patch.

Of course you can get in a group with someone who’s gotten to 80 before the patch, open it up and do it, that’s simple. But anyone claiming to physically get past 50 after the patch is full of kitten. it’s a matter of pics or it didnt happen. Show me a video of you beating maw at fotm 50 post-patch.

We all know the dungeon is faceroll easy, but nice to see you got all that nonsense off your chest.

swiftpaw.6397:

Actually I figured you would know this, but it’s the jade maw that is the issue. You cannot go past 50 because res orbs no longer work, 99% doesn’t work etc etc. I never said I don’t believe you have 80. I have friends who got it before patch.

Of course you can get in a group with someone who’s gotten to 80 before the patch, open it up and do it, that’s simple. But anyone claiming to physically get past 50 after the patch is full of kitten. it’s a matter of pics or it didnt happen. Show me a video of you beating maw at fotm 50 post-patch.

We all know the dungeon is faceroll easy, but nice to see you got all that nonsense off your chest.

And I would think that you would know that you can advance just fine in levels (faster, even) by only ever doing odd levels. You don’t get the daily Maw rewards, but your reward level increases nonetheless. As such, yes, you can proceed past level 50 personal reward even after the patch. No, you can’t complete an even number past 48, but I haven’t seen anyone claiming to do so outside of your misunderstanding. >_>

Iures.2894:

swiftpaw.6397:

Actually I figured you would know this, but it’s the jade maw that is the issue. You cannot go past 50 because res orbs no longer work, 99% doesn’t work etc etc. I never said I don’t believe you have 80. I have friends who got it before patch.

Of course you can get in a group with someone who’s gotten to 80 before the patch, open it up and do it, that’s simple. But anyone claiming to physically get past 50 after the patch is full of kitten. it’s a matter of pics or it didnt happen. Show me a video of you beating maw at fotm 50 post-patch.

We all know the dungeon is faceroll easy, but nice to see you got all that nonsense off your chest.

And I would think that you would know that you can advance just fine in levels (faster, even) by only ever doing odd levels. You don’t get the daily Maw rewards, but your reward level increases nonetheless. As such, yes, you can proceed past level 50 personal reward even after the patch. No, you can’t complete an even number past 48, but I haven’t seen anyone claiming to do so outside of your misunderstanding. >_>

Sure if you have a friend who can open the instance for you. But I think Anet’s made it pretty clear they don’t want people advancing past 50 so I would consider it an exploit given that not everyone has a friend with access to instances past 50.

I should clarify, when I said physically I simply meant actually doing maw. Nobody can get past 50 by doing maw these days which is what I initially figured he was talking about the first time. When he said he’s been getting higher lvls now by grouping with someone higher to bypass the 50 maw insta kill I disregarded it because as I said, not everyone has a friend above 50 and it’s obviously not intended to be accessed at this point in time by A-net.

I pug most of my fractal runs, why would I waste my time on a game if I don’t have to?

What several of these posters fail to realize is though that there is a possible way to do these things, not all teams can achive it nor read forums nor even if explained too, can even do it. It must be accepted, some poeple are bad. It happens. You might get a bad team 3 times in a row. Dont worry though, gear your own alts, and you should be able to carry a team in 15+.

I have failed many times cliffside, or rage left before it was finished because someone broke the seal? Have I done a 34+ Fotm cliffside 1 shot? Yes. Does it happen every team? No.

Put yourself in noob shoes never have advanced past 15. It could be his view not having as much experience as I know some of you do, by your posts or by your account name.

The poster is incorrect in his post, but no need to flaunt that we all can do 40+ like its nothing. Focus on pointing out whats wrong, and how to help. Not personal achivements