the maw and the dredge says no <.<
you will get agony!
You know, you don’t HAVE to grind for the rings. You’re perfectly efficient without them, if you’re a good player.
You know, you don’t HAVE to be able to survive Jade Maw at rank 20. You’re perfectly useful being dead after the initial agony, or being dead weight for your team. Oh wait, that’s wrong, looks like you DO need to grind out 2 rings if you want to not drop like a sack of bricks afterall.
You do a fractal once a day for the ring, how is that grinding?
Twice if you do lvl 10 and 20, and unlucky people like me should because the rng gods and odds are against us, this could take anywhere from 2-4 hrs a day which is my total gaming time after I get home fromw ork, I’d rather do what I want however after getting so far I feel compelled to at least get a ring, even after that it will probably not be the stats I want therefore I’d have to do it again and again = grind
You know, you don’t HAVE to grind for the rings. You’re perfectly efficient without them, if you’re a good player.
Sure I’m perfectly efficient laying on the ground at Jade Maw waiting on a rez after I die helplessly.
You know, you don’t HAVE to grind for the rings. You’re perfectly efficient without them, if you’re a good player.
You know, you don’t HAVE to be able to survive Jade Maw at rank 20. You’re perfectly useful being dead after the initial agony, or being dead weight for your team. Oh wait, that’s wrong, looks like you DO need to grind out 2 rings if you want to not drop like a sack of bricks afterall.
Sorry, i am copypasting from another of my posts, but the answer is essentially the same.
But then, why are you even doing Fractal 20… to get even more rings or backpiece?
If you’re a good player, you’ll be good even without them. You choose to keep grinding, and you lament you aren’t dropping items that merely make possible for you to … keep grinding more.
I am doing Fractals as i do all other things of this game, as a possibility, not as the ONLY possibility. But maybe it is because i don’t make pugs and only play with friends and guildies. I play to enjoy the game, not to have the xxx-stats-more-than-you.
I probably will stop doing fractals at lvl 10 for this reason. And then move to my long-term goals, building a legendary, a good tPvP team, and a good WvW squadron.
Oh, the last two things don’t drop in dungeons. Nor do skill. And i am glad that in PVP, all your rings and backpieces mean nothing.
I hope this could make you think twice on this insane WoW-style grinding.
You know, you don’t HAVE to grind for the rings. You’re perfectly efficient without them, if you’re a good player.
You know, you don’t HAVE to be able to survive Jade Maw at rank 20. You’re perfectly useful being dead after the initial agony, or being dead weight for your team. Oh wait, that’s wrong, looks like you DO need to grind out 2 rings if you want to not drop like a sack of bricks afterall.
Sorry, i am copypasting from another of my posts, but the answer is essentially the same.
But then, why are you even doing Fractal 20… to get even more rings or backpiece?
If you’re a good player, you’ll be good even without them. You choose to keep grinding, and you lament you aren’t dropping items that merely make possible for you to … keep grinding more.
I am doing Fractals as i do all other things of this game, as a possibility, not as the ONLY possibility. But maybe it is because i don’t make pugs and only play with friends and guildies. I play to enjoy the game, not to have the xxx-stats-more-than-you.
I probably will stop doing fractals at lvl 10 for this reason. And then move to my long-term goals, building a legendary, a good tPvP team, and a good WvW squadron.
Oh, the last two things don’t drop in dungeons. Nor do skill. And i am glad that in PVP, all your rings and backpieces mean nothing.
I hope this could make you think twice on this insane WoW-style grinding.
Thanks for attempting to read my mind with your condescending copypaste however you’re wrong on all counts. I’m doing fractal 20 for a shot at the weapon skins. Anet, in their infinite wisdom, decided to make these a random drop from fractals 20+. If I want to get a few of these nice looking skins to spread across my characters I have no choice but to keep going into fractal 20+
No matter how much “skill” you have Jade Maw’s undodgeable unblockable agony will sitll hit you, hence the need for agony resist.
Thanks for attempting to read my mind with your condescending copypaste however you’re wrong on all counts. I’m doing fractal 20 for a shot at the weapon skins. Anet, in their infinite wisdom, decided to make these a random drop from fractals 20+. If I want to get a few of these nice looking skins to spread across my characters I have no choice but to keep going into fractal 20+
No matter how much “skill” you have Jade Maw’s undodgeable unblockable agony will sitll hit you, hence the need for agony resist.
If that’s the reason, i fully support you and feel your pain for the RNG. Hopefully ArenaNet is devising new way to obtain ascended items out of the Fractals, so you (we) could get them without resorting to mindless grinding.
That said, i don’t think your goals (skins) are that of the majority of people spamming “LFG XX Fractals”… i am simply not optimistic enough.
I probably will stop doing fractals at lvl 10 for this reason. And then move to my long-term goals, building a legendary, a good tPvP team, and a good WvW squadron.
I don’t mean to be elitist, but….don’t talk about people trying to be “good” at agony resist when your not even at 20. At level 10 you don’t even NEED agony resist to fight. It helps, but isn’t required.
At level 20 it becomes something to worry about as PuGs w/o agony resist will be downed by jade maw regardless. If you have a group of them, better hope the one with Agony resist has good dodge skills or a spy kit to rez with.
But then, why are you even doing Fractal 20… to get even more rings or backpiece?
As for why we need to do 20 is so we get pre infused agony resist. At level 10 the max resist you can have currently is 20 -X2 ring + Pre Infused Back – (iirc you can make pre-infused back before 10+), at level 20 that jumps up to 30 – +10 pre infused + 10 slotted. It becomes heavily needed to alleviate Jade Maw’s agony, or if your a normal human help when you get hit with agony (which since this is an MMO and relies heavily on connection/Hardware will happen at one point).
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this is what we call call PR slip and move.
You expect one thing and something entirely different is done. In this case the grind will be reduced but instead it will be increased or stay the same.
There will be more PR about how everyone managed to get them despite the grind and that for the next release it will have to be increased.
I don’t believe anyone can look at the current state of the game in any aspect (Dungeons, Legendaries, Fractals) and say with a straight face that the game was designed with ‘minimal grind’.
I don’t believe anyone can look at the current state of the game in any aspect (Dungeons, Legendaries, Fractals) and say with a straight face that the game was designed with ‘minimal grind’.
Agreed. I mean, it’s better than some other games… you have to give Anet that. But “minimal”? No.
As for the quote: “We absolutely design everything we do with minimal grind and will continue with this principal moving forward.”
I’ll add another… Inigo Montoya: “I do not think it means what you think it means.”
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