Guild Wars 2

So Fractal Weapons are a random drop at a random skin that you may or may not be able to use. Yes, I’m looking at you Speargun and Mace.

Lets take our fractal weapon drops, and make them Tickets that let you pick your skin, a-la Fused Gauntlets.

Oh, also make them purchasable with some amount (maybe 25) Pristine Relics. I’ve seen people do hundreds of 26+ fractal runs and get no weapons, but people who have done ten runs have three.

tl;dr: RNG is bad. RNG^2 is worse.

You got a mace? kitten , I’ve been wanting one for such a long time now…

Anyway, this thing has been proposed to death. If Anet hasn’t read and considered it already, they won’t do it ever.

I think ticket should be given at level 48.

I think as the situation is now it should not be changed much.

Many people farmed fotm to get their skin in spite of a terrible RNG.

They gave up the chance of precursors and stuff with terrible loot.

Now if they change it any cof farmer in few days could get what fotm farmers have struggled to get…

Not much fair…..

They could just make a recipe like 4 random fotm skins = 1 ticket.
That could go.

It’s unfair for the minority that have gotten their skin, but very fair for those who haven’t participated in fotm because they have heard about the rng, and those who have been grinding fotm for months to no avail. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. Unfortunately, either the ticket system or the token system would cause a rush of players to fotm, which is clearly not something that anet wants. And what anet wants, anet gets. Anet’s way or the highway. The needs of the anet outweigh the needs of the player. You get the point I’m sure.

Cool so why don t give free precursor to everyone?

P.S: a skin is not a need
A legendary could be a need being a top tier item

LordByron.8369:

Cool so why don t give free precursor to everyone?

P.S: a skin is not a need
A legendary could be a need being a top tier item

I believe that won’t be coming for a few more months (scavenger hunt).

yes but will ask an insane amount of farming
Just to respect lucky players who got randomly a precursor.

So lucky players for a needed item are to be considered more important than dedicated players (300 pristines and still i miss one skin i want) that put effort on a skin?

Byron, I don’t get what you’re against this.

They should make a special kind of token drop from high level fractals (preferably 40+), that you can exchange for any skin of your choosing. It’s only fair.

The weird thing is that they learned from their mistake in Fractals and implemented a different and better system in the new RNG boxes. It still baffles me though that they haven’t considered doing so in Fractals yet.

Bright.9160:

The weird thing is that they learned from their mistake in Fractals and implemented a different and better system in the new RNG boxes

What led you to this conclusion?

Razeor.6271:

Bright.9160:

The weird thing is that they learned from their mistake in Fractals and implemented a different and better system in the new RNG boxes

What led you to this conclusion?

They could have had the RNG boxes drop random weapons instead of the tickets.

25 pristine or just a ticket is to cheap, you need to work for the fractal weapon or they are useless.
i would suggest something like:
– 1 random fractal weapon
– 50-100 pristine relikts
– 250 Globs of Ectoplasm
– white lvl 80 weapon with the weapon typ you want

Lol, I love how a lot of people on here keep saying that Fractal weapons need to be prestigious, and I’m usually one of the proponents of that.

But there is nothing prestigious about grinding 50 dailies for a weapon you want. It just means you have a lot of patience and spare time.

How is someone that gets the Fractal weapons right now due to luck any more prestigious than a guy that had to grind hundreds of dailies, only to get every single weapon he doesn’t want?

There is nothing prestigious about RNG. And suggesting such a stupid amount of pristine relics is not going to make Fractal weapons any more fancy.

25 pristine relics I could agree with.

But add a weapon ticket and let’s get rid of the flipping RNG already. I could live with it if it was slightly fair, but it isn’t. Warhorns, Spears and Tridents as far as the eye can see.

I consider myself lucky I got an Axe and a sword already. I just want 2 daggers, 1 more sword and a mace. A focus or 2 couldn’t hurt either, but that’s pushing it. I just don’t want any more flipping underwater weapons. I’ve almost gotten all my lvl 80’s fully equipped in Fractal underwater gear.

Bright.9160:

Byron, I don’t get what you’re against this.

They should make a special kind of token drop from high level fractals (preferably 40+), that you can exchange for any skin of your choosing. It’s only fair.

The weird thing is that they learned from their mistake in Fractals and implemented a different and better system in the new RNG boxes. It still baffles me though that they haven’t considered doing so in Fractals yet.

Just because i’ve run 300 dailies to get what i needed (and still miss some).

Fotm have awful rewards and often you end a 2 hours run with nothing in your hands.
Its also very challenging and frustrating to play with pugs sometimes.
They don t even give achievement points and stuff.

and now you want to render useless the only small reward they give to dedicated players?

You know what is one of the most beautiful skin in the game?
Ascalon weapons…

You know why they are not popular? because they are too common.

That is why i don t want another kick in the face because i don t have a warrior running cof/coe.

If fractal were a higher tier i would be the first to ask them to be easily obtainable by everyone….
But devs stated officially they will be only skins forever…so leave at least that little uniqueness as a token for running 300 dailies.
Try to think how many legendaries i would have if i farmed cof instead of fractals all that time…..

What i could accept is a MF recipe for 4 skins for a ticket
or 1 ticket when you win lvl 50 first time (with agony hardcap removed)

Bright.9160:

Lol, I love how a lot of people on here keep saying that Fractal weapons need to be prestigious, and I’m usually one of the proponents of that.

But there is nothing prestigious about grinding 50 dailies for a weapon you want. It just means you have a lot of patience and spare time.

How is someone that gets the Fractal weapons right now due to luck any more prestigious than a guy that had to grind hundreds of dailies, only to get every single weapon he doesn’t want?

Its the fact that they are “rare” and we’d like them to stay that way, keep in mind i have 0 fractal weapons.
I dont want to see every single person with fractal weapons, other than active fractal goers, it already feels like every person and their mother owns a legendary.

I do agree with somehow trading in a fractal weapon you got but cant use in for one you can use, but i do not agree with trading in 25 relics for one.
Atm frac weapons are optained at 20+, what you suggest is that they make that 10+.

Atleast at 20+ you have put in a little amount of work to get it, not saying its hard to get to 20, but atleast its not 10.

In my ideal world, fractal weapons should drop at 30+, and when you drop one you dont want, you can take it to mystic forge with something like 250 frac relics, 5 pristine and 1 shard, for a chance at a different frac weapon (guarenteed different, but not which one it is)

They should only drop from 48+ for all I care, but I still think that 50 dailies for a skin is a bit much.

To Byron, all I can say is: you don’t want them to be easier to acquire because you grinded your balls off for one? That is pretty selfish (although I have been guilty of selfishness of a similar kind in GW1).

Not to mention, if you take 2h+ per Fractal, it might be time for you to join a guild that is actually decent at Fractals and stop PUGing. Even on what I consider bad guild runs, we usually are done at around 1h-1h15, with a slow run being 1h30 ish and a very fast run around 45min.

bright the day you will learn to post on a forum without attacking a poster will be a bright day….

Said that an aesthetic item is a thing…..

In this game there are a lot of various RARE items…..
If all of them are made common i will quite accept it.

If just the only i have (and i worked for) will, i will be very upset.

give me 25 pristines fotm skins, 25 pristines precursors, 25 pristines mini jack a loop, 25 pristines consortium weapon skins etc etc etc….and i am ok.

If you want to completely destroy the only reward for fotm players…no TY

P.S: i know many fotm Group asking me to join
Plaing with pugs is different every time…
Playing with fixed groups was in my experience like cof1 speedruns(mesmers will know….)

Also that is why its called MMORPG isn t it?

Do you want the challenge? play with pugs!

(and currently dredge+cliffside+swamp mossman+ maw can easily take almost 2 hours…..unless you use “workarounds”).

Wethospu.6437:

I think ticket should be given at level 48.

lol why cause you have 48 unlocked? why not just keep it random like it is and instead of a weapon drop a ticket 20-30 is X chance 31-40 is an increased chance 41+ increase the chance etc..

Id love some kinda of change I’ve had 4 fractal weapons drop and 0 usable by my character.

Bright.9160:

To Byron, all I can say is: you don’t want them to be easier to acquire because you grinded your balls off for one? That is pretty selfish (although I have been guilty of selfishness of a similar kind in GW1).

Is it not selfish of you to feel entitled to something other people have worked hard for?

Funny to see you ppl complain about the skins you get. Im at 600 runs and still NO SKIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

afaik nobody run 600 dailies
but if you did you could post a screen of 500 pristines?

Just because you would be the most dedicated fotm player in the world and thus almost matematically prove a bug and devs would investigate….

Having them available for 25 pristine relics is way to low. It should be 200 or so. They are for looks and provide no value other than that.

I have received a little over 100 relics. I have 35 rings and I finished my fractal frequenter 2 months ago. Every time I log in I do at least one daily. I dont do anything under lvl 26. Perhaps stating that 600 reflects how Anet tracks our progress in fractals using the achievements. Regardless, where are my skin drops plz?

I don’t think you guys are understanding this correctly. If a ticket dropped instead of the weapon, there wouldn’t be any more fractal skins in circulation, the only difference is people could get the skins they want. You would see the exact same number of fractal weapons around. And if you’re saying it’s prestigious to get the exact skin you want and not a crappy one then you have a very strange opinion

Fractal weapon vendor , each skin for 50 pristine and 2000 regular relics . There

void.6705:

Wethospu.6437:

I think ticket should be given at level 48.

lol why cause you have 48 unlocked? why not just keep it random like it is and instead of a weapon drop a ticket 20-30 is X chance 31-40 is an increased chance 41+ increase the chance etc..

Id love some kinda of change I’ve had 4 fractal weapons drop and 0 usable by my character.

I personally think 50 or higher would be bit stupid.

I think the real issue w/ hard contents is there is no definitive prestigious rewards in GW2 at all. Everyone who played GW2 could get carried by others and get the same or better rewards than those who grind through it daily. The only way to fix this problem is creating a new title or rewards by just modifying the old requirements a bit like:

1) Super Grinder Dungeon Master: Require 25 runs per each explored path per dungeon. Every Dungeon Master starts afresh.
2) Super Grinder Fractal Skins: Pulsating Crimson Color Skins: 1 ticket per 25 fractal level 48 completed. The ticket can be redeemed for random Super Grinder Fractal Skin or along with 25 pristines + 750 fractal relics + 50 ectos for a Super Grinder Fractal Skin of your choice.

I just propose the ideas. The required quantity could be changed to fit. Now everybody can get what they wanted. To get a prestigious reward, you just have to grind the kittenes a bit more.

SkyChef.5432:

I think the real issue w/ hard contents is there is no definitive prestigious rewards in GW2 at all. Everyone who played GW2 could get carried by others and get the same or better rewards than those who grind through it daily. The only way to fix this problem is creating a new title or rewards by just modifying the old requirements a bit like:

1) Super Grinder Dungeon Master: Require 25 runs per each explored path per dungeon. Every Dungeon Master starts afresh.
2) Super Grinder Fractal Skins: Pulsating Crimson Color Skins: 1 ticket per 25 fractal level 48 completed. The ticket can be redeemed for random Super Grinder Fractal Skin or along with 25 pristines + 750 fractal relics + 50 ectos for a Super Grinder Fractal Skin of your choice.

I just propose the ideas. The required quantity could be changed to fit. Now everybody can get what they wanted. To get a prestigious reward, you just have to grind the kittenes a bit more.

Go one step further, have ranks, like 25 runs, then 50, 100, 500, 1000 so on..

Each rank has unique skin set and etc.

50 p relics for a ticket seems fair

How about u can change 4 random fractal skins for a ticket that can get u the skin u want. U obviously had bad luck, but u get a chance to trade 4 skins u would never use for 1 u need.

You can’t. You have to get it at level 48. Not any level below it. Now if you can run 25 runs at level 48, you clearly deserve it.

Lol I think we’re just talking about fractals skins in general not your w/e skins. And to have to do 25 48’s to get ur skin would be some bullkitten

I think people are missing the point.

I used 25 relics as an example. I do not care if it is 5, or 25, or 250 pristine relics for the skin. Any amount of guaranteed way to get it for work done is all that I’m asking for. I much enjoy the thought of a third tier of Fractal Relics for higher level dailies. Perhaps at 30 or 40+, dailies give you one Flawless Fractal Relic, and a number of those can be redeemed for a weapon.

Hell, even changing one you got that wasn’t the one you wanted would be incredibly nice. Fractal Weapon + 10 Shards of Crystallized Mist Essence + 10 Orichalcum Weapon Component + 10 Orichalcum Weapon Component. Might finally give a use for the Shards I’ve been piling up.

What I don’t understand is people who argue that it should stay because they did it in an unreasonable situation. Having done an unreasonable thing doesn’t mean you should petition that it stays unreasonable. There’s prestige and then there’s bad mechanics. I believe this is just a bad mechanic.

For reference, I was just using Speargun/Mace as examples that fewer weapons people want. Underwater weapons are less wanted, and Maces are only able to be used by 2/8 professions.

Da Sonic.6521:

What I don’t understand is people who argue that it should stay because they did it in an unreasonable situation. Having done an unreasonable thing doesn’t mean you should petition that it stays unreasonable. There’s prestige and then there’s bad mechanics. I believe this is just a bad mechanic.

For reference, I was just using Speargun/Mace as examples that fewer weapons people want. Underwater weapons are less wanted, and Maces are only able to be used by 2/8 professions.

as i said tell this to legendary owners….

A fotm skin drop is something like 23% at 48
Its reasonable.

While precursors are mostly obtained by luck and market abuse.
Same for exotic minis like chicken zombie and mini jack a loop

IF you really thougt there is an issue with fotm skins you would be talking of precursors and LEGENDARY TIER (see november announcement) and not of rare SKINS that requires a little amount of dedication (23%) rather than brainless farming* and TP abuse…..

• referring to cof, and stuff like those….

Give a 4 weapons for 1 ticket recipe in MF and i m fine….

Always thought that the drop rate at 48 was more 15%-ish.

Then again, I’ve spent most of my time in Arah lately, and only did like 3 48’s the last week.

But I fully agree with Da Sonic though. Just because you did it in unreasonable circumstances doesn’t mean those circumstances shouldn’t be changed for the better. Open up 50+ and keep the current system in <50’s but have like a 20% chance of a ticket dropping in 50+ for all I care. Or have both a chance for a random weapon and a ticket. I would be fine with that. But the purely RNG-based system should go.

And dumping 4 weapons in the forge isn’t a solution tbh. It’s painful enough as it is right now to obtain weapons. Obtaining 4 of them?

Oh, and while we’re on the subject. Set the loottables in 40+ fractals back to what they were pre januari 28th patch. Because right now, all of my friends have said they’re fed up with Fractals and the terrible rewards, but I actually enjoy doing them. At least, when it’s not with PUGs…

bright i got at least 10 skins last month…..maybe more…

And Yesterday i waited 1 hour at peak time to find a lvl 48 party….i didn t get one.

Something isn t right here…..because post april patch droprate is HIGH at HIGHER levels.

Oh, I’ve felt that the droprates have gotten better. I noticed the change as well.

But they’re still not worth the time spent in comparison to other content, which is why people don’t want to do them anymore.

And you got so many skins because you PUG fractals daily. I have to rely on guild runs to do it, and as it is right now, people in my guild don’t want to do fractals because it’s not worth the time spent. Most of them will just do a quick CoE for some cash. I can get people motivated for Arah at least, but it’s pretty difficult to get 48 groups going.

And yes I can PUG, but I’d rather punch myself in the groin than doing a predominantly PUG Fractals. I don’t mind doing a 3/5 or 4/5 guild party and taking along a PUG. But screw 3/5 or 4/5 PUGs. At least with more guild members you can kick terrible players.

LordByron.8369:

Da Sonic.6521:

What I don’t understand is people who argue that it should stay because they did it in an unreasonable situation. Having done an unreasonable thing doesn’t mean you should petition that it stays unreasonable. There’s prestige and then there’s bad mechanics. I believe this is just a bad mechanic.

For reference, I was just using Speargun/Mace as examples that fewer weapons people want. Underwater weapons are less wanted, and Maces are only able to be used by 2/8 professions.

as i said tell this to legendary owners….

A fotm skin drop is something like 23% at 48
Its reasonable.

While precursors are mostly obtained by luck and market abuse.
Same for exotic minis like chicken zombie and mini jack a loop

IF you really thougt there is an issue with fotm skins you would be talking of precursors and LEGENDARY TIER (see november announcement) and not of rare SKINS that requires a little amount of dedication (23%) rather than brainless farming* and TP abuse…..

• referring to cof, and stuff like those….

Give a 4 weapons for 1 ticket recipe in MF and i m fine….

I have 2 legendaries. I find the fotm skin rate to be unreasonable. I actually finished one of my legendaries in less time than it took to get the fotm skin that I wanted.. (which I still don’t have).
Oh.. and I didn’t abuse the trading post, nor was I ‘lucky’.. I just grinded it out in dungeons 12 hours p/day. I know alotta people in the same boat. To them I say, don’t waste your time, just make another legendary.

I like the ticket idea, I’ve gotten quite a few skins, just not the ones I want. To me, if you are going to make the kind of weapon drop completely random, then the drop rate should be higher so people actually have a chance of getting the skin they really want. I don’t like this idea much, because fotm weapons are supposed to be prestigious, so i think that tickets with the current rate would be better. This is why I prefer to make a legendary, because I can decide on the weapon type I am getting.

I’ve personally burnt myself out of Fotm 48’s and do other things now. I have quite a collection stored in my bank; in total I think I’ve accumulated around 20 fractal weapons give or take but I still haven’t received every weapon I’d like yet, I just can’t do the rng anymore; personally I’d love to them see them open the 50’s and have tickets drop there but I’d be ok with other methods; the 4:1 combo seems a bit much though, I also dont like the idea of using yet another 250 ectos for something else.

swiftpaw.6397:

LordByron.8369:

Da Sonic.6521:

What I don’t understand is people who argue that it should stay because they did it in an unreasonable situation. Having done an unreasonable thing doesn’t mean you should petition that it stays unreasonable. There’s prestige and then there’s bad mechanics. I believe this is just a bad mechanic.

For reference, I was just using Speargun/Mace as examples that fewer weapons people want. Underwater weapons are less wanted, and Maces are only able to be used by 2/8 professions.

as i said tell this to legendary owners….

A fotm skin drop is something like 23% at 48
Its reasonable.

While precursors are mostly obtained by luck and market abuse.
Same for exotic minis like chicken zombie and mini jack a loop

IF you really thougt there is an issue with fotm skins you would be talking of precursors and LEGENDARY TIER (see november announcement) and not of rare SKINS that requires a little amount of dedication (23%) rather than brainless farming* and TP abuse…..

• referring to cof, and stuff like those….

Give a 4 weapons for 1 ticket recipe in MF and i m fine….

I have 2 legendaries. I find the fotm skin rate to be unreasonable. I actually finished one of my legendaries in less time than it took to get the fotm skin that I wanted.. (which I still don’t have).
Oh.. and I didn’t abuse the trading post, nor was I ‘lucky’.. I just grinded it out in dungeons 12 hours p/day. I know alotta people in the same boat. To them I say, don’t waste your time, just make another legendary.

I like the ticket idea, I’ve gotten quite a few skins, just not the ones I want. To me, if you are going to make the kind of weapon drop completely random, then the drop rate should be higher so people actually have a chance of getting the skin they really want. I don’t like this idea much, because fotm weapons are supposed to be prestigious, so i think that tickets with the current rate would be better. This is why I prefer to make a legendary, because I can decide on the weapon type I am getting.

exactly what i was saying <.<

You grinded for legendaries i grinded for fotm skins..

I can’t pay for even half a precursor…….because i’ve chosen to go for a worthless skin…
While your weapon will be BiS forever….

And you want to take away even that….

I ll try again:

what about an easy method that gives you a ticketto get a fotm skin OR a precursor of your choice?

I bet you wouldn t like it….
Yet it would be fair because fotm is a skin and legendary is a TIER.

LordByron.8369:

swiftpaw.6397:

LordByron.8369:

Da Sonic.6521:

What I don’t understand is people who argue that it should stay because they did it in an unreasonable situation. Having done an unreasonable thing doesn’t mean you should petition that it stays unreasonable. There’s prestige and then there’s bad mechanics. I believe this is just a bad mechanic.

For reference, I was just using Speargun/Mace as examples that fewer weapons people want. Underwater weapons are less wanted, and Maces are only able to be used by 2/8 professions.

as i said tell this to legendary owners….

A fotm skin drop is something like 23% at 48
Its reasonable.

While precursors are mostly obtained by luck and market abuse.
Same for exotic minis like chicken zombie and mini jack a loop

IF you really thougt there is an issue with fotm skins you would be talking of precursors and LEGENDARY TIER (see november announcement) and not of rare SKINS that requires a little amount of dedication (23%) rather than brainless farming* and TP abuse…..

• referring to cof, and stuff like those….

Give a 4 weapons for 1 ticket recipe in MF and i m fine….

I have 2 legendaries. I find the fotm skin rate to be unreasonable. I actually finished one of my legendaries in less time than it took to get the fotm skin that I wanted.. (which I still don’t have).
Oh.. and I didn’t abuse the trading post, nor was I ‘lucky’.. I just grinded it out in dungeons 12 hours p/day. I know alotta people in the same boat. To them I say, don’t waste your time, just make another legendary.

I like the ticket idea, I’ve gotten quite a few skins, just not the ones I want. To me, if you are going to make the kind of weapon drop completely random, then the drop rate should be higher so people actually have a chance of getting the skin they really want. I don’t like this idea much, because fotm weapons are supposed to be prestigious, so i think that tickets with the current rate would be better. This is why I prefer to make a legendary, because I can decide on the weapon type I am getting.

exactly what i was saying <.<

You grinded for legendaries i grinded for fotm skins..

I can’t pay for even half a precursor…….because i’ve chosen to go for a worthless skin…
While your weapon will be BiS forever….

And you want to take away even that….

I ll try again:

what about an easy method that gives you a ticketto get a fotm skin OR a precursor of your choice?

I bet you wouldn t like it….
Yet it would be fair because fotm is a skin and legendary is a TIER.

Obviously the precursor. But why not have both methods? The precursor attainability atm is ridiculous, and so is the fotm skin issue. A ticket for a fotm skin ( after x amount of runs), a scavenger hunt for a precursor. I’m not asking for an easy method to attain fotm skins or precursors, I am asking for a fair method. After doing countless 48’s with nothing that I wanted to show for it, I do not call that fair, while someone else gets the skin they wanted on their first fotm 20 daily. Nor is it fair that someone who’s got rng lucky in the MF or plays TP and has money up the ears can get their precursor in 2 minutes when I have to slog it for weeks or months. There has to be something implemented that removes the RNG factor for those who have worked their kitten off.

swiftpaw.6397:

Obviously the precursor. But why not have both methods? The precursor attainability atm is ridiculous, and so is the fotm skin issue.

finally!!!

now read gw2 manifesto and we are done…..
In few words they told if a players wants to invest thousands hours in a SKIN or aesthetic item IS FINE.

But higher tiers should ve been easily available.

So don t ask the opposite… they ruined this game enough already.

(and fotm weapons won t never officially be anything but a skin)

LordByron.8369:

swiftpaw.6397:

Obviously the precursor. But why not have both methods? The precursor attainability atm is ridiculous, and so is the fotm skin issue.

finally!!!

now read gw2 manifesto and we are done…..
In few words they told if a players wants to invest thousands hours in a SKIN or aesthetic item IS FINE.

But higher tiers should ve been easily available.

So don t ask the opposite… they ruined this game enough already.

(and fotm weapons won t never officially be anything but a skin)

I’m not saying take out the thousands of hours of work.. I’m saying take out the RNG factor… Everyone should have to work the same amount of time. People who attain things through luck, ruin the prestigious nature of the skins, which is why when people see someone with a fotm skin they dont say ‘oh wow they must have done alot of fotm..’ no, they say ‘welp, that guy got lucky.’ and the same can be said of legendarily too, people assume you got lucky.

thus 4 weapons in forge is perfect.

Its impossible for lucky players
Its easy in a small amount of time for experienced fotm runners……

But i ll tell you last thing…
Nowaday 48 is full of players that got there brought by strong teams….
They wipe every single shaman and stuff….

They should not be at 48 and for sure they don t drop many skins…..
But if you give tickets any player will manage to be brought to 48 and get easy skins….

And today if you see a player with 1 skin you think “may be luck”….
But if you see one with Whole set?

swiftpaw.6397:

People who attain things through luck, ruin the prestigious nature of the skins, which is why when people see someone with a fotm skin they dont say ‘oh wow they must have done alot of fotm..’ no, they say ‘welp, that guy got lucky.’ and the same can be said of legendarily too, people assume you got lucky.

This is the message I’ve been trying to get across as well.

There is nothing prestigious about grinding for a Fractal skin. Having the skin you want means you were either really lucky or you have a lot of patience.

The fact that weapons drop at lvl 20’s (even if it’s so rare) means they have little prestige to begin with tbh…

I’d personally remove weapons from <30’s all together.

LordByron.8369:

thus 4 weapons in forge is perfect.

Its impossible for lucky players
Its easy in a small amount of time for experienced fotm runners……

But i ll tell you last thing…
Nowaday 48 is full of players that got there brought by strong teams….
They wipe every single shaman and stuff….

They should not be at 48 and for sure they don t drop many skins…..
But if you give tickets any player will manage to be brought to 48 and get easy skins….

And today if you see a player with 1 skin you think “may be luck”….
But if you see one with Whole set?

A whole set could just be more luck. I’d just like it be completely hard work and no rng at all. I have a full set of fotm weps on my ele, and they were easy to get, I literally got all her weps in the span of about 15 runs thanks to RNG. And yet the real weapon that I want, the greatsword, has never dropped. I feel that giving someone the choice of the skin they want should be enough, they should not have to go through RNG 4 times over to get a skin that someone else may have gotten on their first fotm 20 run.

Bright.9160:

swiftpaw.6397:

People who attain things through luck, ruin the prestigious nature of the skins, which is why when people see someone with a fotm skin they dont say ‘oh wow they must have done alot of fotm..’ no, they say ‘welp, that guy got lucky.’ and the same can be said of legendarily too, people assume you got lucky.

This is the message I’ve been trying to get across as well.

There is nothing prestigious about grinding for a Fractal skin. Having the skin you want means you were either really lucky or you have a lot of patience.

The fact that weapons drop at lvl 20’s (even if it’s so rare) means they have little prestige to begin with tbh…

I’d personally remove weapons from <30’s all together.

I agree with this, fotm skins should be at least 30’s I would even go do far as to say 38+

You got:
scepter, focus, dagger, dagger, staff, trident

All by luck in few runs?
you are the only maybe…..

btw 30 is still easy today…

The “challenge” starts when your AR can t negate agony and you have no room for mistakes.

26-38 is quite the same if you have enough AR…..
Its even more challenging 26 with pugs than 38.

I would go make Fractal Weapons salvage to a token + some ectos. 3 (or possibly 2) tokens can be spent at a vendor for a weapon of your choice.

That way people that have been running FotM for months and have warehouses full of the wrong weapon aren’t left out in the cold.

Players need to set their own goals in this game but the game should provide some goals that are achievable. The random drop system doesn’t provide achievable goals. Players should be able to exchange any fractal skin with 25 pristine relics for a skin of their choice, and that could be done through crafting, barter, whatever.

I’m not desperate for skins and I’ve only got two of them. It annoys me greatly that they are both shields. The RNG system fails me as a semi-regular fractal visitor just as much as it annoys the grinders who want their specific skin.