Guild Wars 2

The recent change to dungeons pretty much killed dungeon running all together for the average player who does not have a dedicated group, on the other hand farming is going on just as it was pre cof p1 nerf.

At this point they should ask themselves why we have dungeons in the first place.

Bumping again! For Great Justice and bootleg red Mystic gear! We want answers!

Hmm, I start to guess that the Queen’s speech will be about an actual revamp of all dungeons at once, including the token rewards. I can’t explain arenanet’s absence otherwise anymore …

too bad my set up character is gone ..
i normally run cof .. for dungeon token and fast gold i got 4 warrior and 1 mesmer lvl 80
just altering them and run the dungeon as fast as i can the whole day
easy money easy token i have many token i used to mystic forge great sword
this changes feels stupid having 4 warrior on my account

attreo.7860:

too bad my set up character is gone ..
i normally run cof .. for dungeon token and fast gold i got 4 warrior and 1 mesmer lvl 80
just altering them and run the dungeon as fast as i can the whole day
easy money easy token i have many token i used to mystic forge great sword
this changes feels stupid having 4 warrior on my account

It was stupid before the change.

I do not complain about the new rewards system, I think it is a good idea. As a fan of dungeons (yea I do it for fun AND rewards), I like that now my guildies actually run other dungeons than CoF.

But there is one issue: the rewards prove in a very good way that the developers clearly don’t play or test their own content. There is NO other logic behind that. For example SE2 which takes considerably longer than CoF1 yields the same reward (1g).

Acerola.6407:

Hmm, I start to guess that the Queen’s speech will be about an actual revamp of all dungeons at once, including the token rewards. I can’t explain arenanet’s absence otherwise anymore …

That would be something, the Queen announcing “Let there be dungeons!”

But let’s not fool ourselves – why would anet include this is one of the biggest patches this year :/

Lame… didn’t notice this until I run the same dungeon on my 3rd toon, this is gonna take forever to get new gears for my new toon now, omg and I need berserker set for my thief as quick as possible to beat Liadra before the event end ;[

The point we run dungeon are for tokens, farm them just for few days with alts and buy the set asap to do other things like Fotm, Wvw, explore… etc. Now I have to worry about doing dungeon everyday just like daily wth -.-" omg imagine Arah now, not many people run this dungeon, so people won’t be doing it their alts now after their main ran it, gonna have a hard time to find a party for Arah I guess.

ZenoRoarz.3152:

omg imagine Arah now, not many people run this dungeon, so people won’t be doing it their alts now after their main ran it, gonna have a hard time to find a party for Arah I guess.

I thought the same until I looked at the lfg…. there are tons of more posts o.0. I’ve yet to make a group myself, but from the looks of it on the lfg, there may be MORE groups then before o.0

I’m still ticked at the token Nerf, though. Makes my alt that I just started feel more and more useless ;(

Most of the arah posts are selling slots though.

spoj.9672:

Most of the arah posts are selling slots though.

Those will all probably go away next patch.

I agree with this thread, what’s the point having few level 80 if only 1 character can be rewarded from dungeons. So the more I create characters the less profit I can get. It means I can only spend my profit on 1 character per day.
Please Arenanet, make the daily dungeon reward for each character and not via account

Draco.9480:

I agree with this thread, what’s the point having few level 80 if only 1 character can be rewarded from dungeons. So the more I create characters the less profit I can get. It means I can only spend my profit on 1 character per day.
Please Arenanet, make the daily dungeon reward for each character and not via account

Did you just copy that reply in another thread to?

TheMaskedParadigm.3629:

Draco.9480:

I agree with this thread, what’s the point having few level 80 if only 1 character can be rewarded from dungeons. So the more I create characters the less profit I can get. It means I can only spend my profit on 1 character per day.
Please Arenanet, make the daily dungeon reward for each character and not via account

Did you just copy that reply in another thread to?

Seems so, I just saw 3 other threads with the exact same post…just 1 was slightly changed

I have no incentive to do dungeons on alts either now, gg. I may not have as many as some, but I have five level 80’s, and now I only have reason to really bring one.

I liked doing the same path multiple times for tokens; people getting tokens should have that option available.

If you want to nerf gold for multiple runs then FINE, but leave tokens alone. That way, people who are in it for tokens can get them, and people who want to farm gold have to do multiple paths, it’s win/win.

Do the same path across characters for token farming, do multiple paths for gold. Sounds easy enough for me.

Also, a GREAT idea would be to implement a special reward chest at the end of dungeon paths that you can only get once per path, per day. Give it a chance of rare skins, minis, etc… Maybe from a shared loot pool between all dungeons/paths, and some that are unique to only that dungeon.

Like… If you do a CoE path, you have a 1/100 chance in getting some items that have a chance of dropping from every dungeon path, but you ALSO have a 1/50 chance of so of getting some CoE unique skins, mini pets, etc…

That way you have incentive to run a ton of paths in general, and incentive to do individual dungeons for their rewards.

Keep the gold nerf, keep tokens as 60 per character per path, not 60 ONCE, and add special rewards like what I stated above.

People who want tokens would still get their tokens, people who want gold will have to farm multiple paths/dungeons, and people who want the chance at unique skins and minis will have to do a whole bunch of paths for the ones that drop from the collective pool, or run all the paths of one dungeon for a chance at that dungeon’s unique kitten.

Not sure if those random chances should be once per character per path, or once per path per account, or what. But it would be a start.

fix this kitten immediately, please. Thanks a lot!

Just make tokens character bound.

As a friend pointed out to me: the worst thing about this patch is for Dungeon guilds. they’ll have a hard time now since all they do is dungeons and there’s almost no motivation to do more after your 1st set. although you could just go and do all dungeon paths in the game i doubt that many people would start doing se p2 for example regularly. that means after around 1-2hours played you’ve completed your dungeons and then you have not much left to do. even if you wanted to do a path again you probably are forced to pug it cause you’re guildies have done it already. same problem if you get on later than the rest.

Yep its a pain. Especially when you run with a few different people. All I want is the 60 tokens, i dont need the bonus gold for each character.

I find myself doing nothing because ive already done my runs or the people i play with have and i dont feel like pugging for mine.

Guild is dead. Why be in a dungeon guild, when there is no reason to run a dungeon more than once a day? Another social killer. Run with PuGs or play something else.

Jaga.2084:

Guild is dead. Why be in a dungeon guild, when there is no reason to run a dungeon more than once a day? Another social killer. Run with PuGs or play something else.

I’m pretty sure if you’re a dungeon guild you
-aren’t playing it for the tokens (seriously? you like playing only dungeons because of tokens not actually playing the game?)
-already have thousands of each token available when you decide you want some skins on some alts

Player Character.9467:

Jaga.2084:

Guild is dead. Why be in a dungeon guild, when there is no reason to run a dungeon more than once a day? Another social killer. Run with PuGs or play something else.

I’m pretty sure if you’re a dungeon guild you
-aren’t playing it for the tokens (seriously? you like playing only dungeons because of tokens not actually playing the game?)
-already have thousands of each token available when you decide you want some skins on some alts

No. :/

I want to be rewarded for my time spent in the content I enjoy. I have various goals/skins im going for so I need money/mats… Tokens help by converting into ecto’s. I dont mind DR on repeating runs, but getting 20 tokens on the same path on a different character seems a bit much to me. Doesnt matter how much people enjoy dungeons, they wont repeat them unless the reward is worth it. Which is why selling slots on arah has recently become so popular.

spoj.9672:

Player Character.9467:

Jaga.2084:

Guild is dead. Why be in a dungeon guild, when there is no reason to run a dungeon more than once a day? Another social killer. Run with PuGs or play something else.

I’m pretty sure if you’re a dungeon guild you
-aren’t playing it for the tokens (seriously? you like playing only dungeons because of tokens not actually playing the game?)
-already have thousands of each token available when you decide you want some skins on some alts

No. :/

I want to be rewarded for my time spent in the content I enjoy. I have various goals/skins im going for so I need money/mats… Tokens help by converting into ecto’s. I dont mind DR on repeating runs, but getting 20 tokens on the same path on a different character seems a bit much to me. Doesnt matter how much people enjoy dungeons, they wont repeat them unless the reward is worth it. Which is why selling slots on arah has recently become so popular.

Oh it used to be way more popular, pre-nerf it was the only way lots of people could get their DM title.

P2 running on EU is out of control

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

P2 running on EU is out of control

This. LFG is just full of selling slots posts. Barely any proper groups.

even I started doing it… before I would not even have thought about it. But with the token nerf, at least you get something out of running the pathes more than once

still no reaction from Anet?? This is just pathetic and shows that they know they`ve ruined it this time. Great show of customer support might I add. Though I bet should I post something offensive here they`d be all over me in seconds. But hey, not going to do that, we all know how they like to “ban over spilled milk”

Dooie Jaak.4670:

still no reaction from Anet?? This is just pathetic and shows that they know they`ve ruined it this time. Great show of customer support might I add. Though I bet should I post something offensive here they`d be all over me in seconds. But hey, not going to do that, we all know how they like to “ban over spilled milk”

You guys are stunning examples of social puissance.

I’m really unhappy with the direction GW2 is going with alts. You are better off to have one main.

WXP is toon bound not account bound, additionally ascended gear is expensive, heavily time invested requirement and it will be harder to properly equip you alts.

I’m posting this here because having alts in GW2 at this time is more about convenience than actually playing them. I have 8 level 80’s, use 2 to play content and the other 6 spread out to farm world bosses, mine nodes and placed in places of convenience.

SoPP.7034:

I’m really unhappy with the direction GW2 is going with alts. You are better off to have one main.

WXP is toon bound not account bound, additionally ascended gear is expensive, heavily time invested requirement and it will be harder to properly equip you alts.

I’m posting this here because having alts in GW2 at this time is more about convenience than actually playing them. I have 8 level 80’s, use 2 to play content and the other 6 spread out to farm world bosses, mine nodes and placed in places of convenience.

3 month topic. Do you, by any chance, main a necromancer?

Quickfoot Katana.8642:

SoPP.7034:

I’m really unhappy with the direction GW2 is going with alts. You are better off to have one main.

WXP is toon bound not account bound, additionally ascended gear is expensive, heavily time invested requirement and it will be harder to properly equip you alts.

I’m posting this here because having alts in GW2 at this time is more about convenience than actually playing them. I have 8 level 80’s, use 2 to play content and the other 6 spread out to farm world bosses, mine nodes and placed in places of convenience.

3 month topic. Do you, by any chance, main a necromancer?

3 month topic that remains pretty much accurate of the state of the game at this point, imo.
I really like to run dungeons, its the stuff I like to do more in gw2, and with this change in the way that our characters receive tokens, is not encouraging that I run Arah with my thief, and my necro, and my warrior. Now I only run it with warrior since its not profitable to do with alts because no tokens rewarded to build gear. This was a great way to get exotic equipment, that in other way is hard to get just by playing the game (and by playing the game I don’t mean playing the TP with I hate!), specially when u do not have all the time in your life to spend in a game, due to work or gymn, or other activities that you do in real life.
If I wanted a heavily time consuming game I would have bought WoW, and gw always was reconed because no need to spend your whole life playing the game to get a special item, with is a great concept, imo.

iBullStrike.6895:

Quickfoot Katana.8642:

SoPP.7034:

I’m really unhappy with the direction GW2 is going with alts. You are better off to have one main.

WXP is toon bound not account bound, additionally ascended gear is expensive, heavily time invested requirement and it will be harder to properly equip you alts.

I’m posting this here because having alts in GW2 at this time is more about convenience than actually playing them. I have 8 level 80’s, use 2 to play content and the other 6 spread out to farm world bosses, mine nodes and placed in places of convenience.

3 month topic. Do you, by any chance, main a necromancer?

3 month topic that remains pretty much accurate of the state of the game at this point, imo.
I really like to run dungeons, its the stuff I like to do more in gw2, and with this change in the way that our characters receive tokens, is not encouraging that I run Arah with my thief, and my necro, and my warrior. Now I only run it with warrior since its not profitable to do with alts because no tokens rewarded to build gear. This was a great way to get exotic equipment, that in other way is hard to get just by playing the game (and by playing the game I don’t mean playing the TP with I hate!), specially when u do not have all the time in your life to spend in a game, due to work or gymn, or other activities that you do in real life.
If I wanted a heavily time consuming game I would have bought WoW, and gw always was reconed because no need to spend your whole life playing the game to get a special item, with is a great concept, imo.

GW2 doesnt have a dungeon team, and to be honest, dungeons lack interesting mechanics/challenge. I dont see this getting better anyhow, since the casuals fill their wallet with quaggan plushies and not us.

What if you could buy a whole dungeon for 1k gems? Would you do it?

Quickfoot Katana.8642:

3 month topic. Do you, by any chance, main a necromancer?

No, however I do have 8 lvl 80’s and I used to use my nec a lot in WvW for tagging but toon bound wxp fixed that, so I’m stuck on my mes.

Quickfoot Katana.8642:

iBullStrike.6895:

Quickfoot Katana.8642:

SoPP.7034:

I’m really unhappy with the direction GW2 is going with alts. You are better off to have one main.

WXP is toon bound not account bound, additionally ascended gear is expensive, heavily time invested requirement and it will be harder to properly equip you alts.

I’m posting this here because having alts in GW2 at this time is more about convenience than actually playing them. I have 8 level 80’s, use 2 to play content and the other 6 spread out to farm world bosses, mine nodes and placed in places of convenience.

3 month topic. Do you, by any chance, main a necromancer?

3 month topic that remains pretty much accurate of the state of the game at this point, imo.
I really like to run dungeons, its the stuff I like to do more in gw2, and with this change in the way that our characters receive tokens, is not encouraging that I run Arah with my thief, and my necro, and my warrior. Now I only run it with warrior since its not profitable to do with alts because no tokens rewarded to build gear. This was a great way to get exotic equipment, that in other way is hard to get just by playing the game (and by playing the game I don’t mean playing the TP with I hate!), specially when u do not have all the time in your life to spend in a game, due to work or gymn, or other activities that you do in real life.
If I wanted a heavily time consuming game I would have bought WoW, and gw always was reconed because no need to spend your whole life playing the game to get a special item, with is a great concept, imo.

GW2 doesnt have a dungeon team, and to be honest, dungeons lack interesting mechanics/challenge. I dont see this getting better anyhow, since the casuals fill their wallet with quaggan plushies and not us.

What if you could buy a whole dungeon for 1k gems? Would you do it?

I wont spend a single € in this game anymore m8. I spent enough €’s when I bought it already. :P
I don’t disagree that dungeons represent unchallenging content in this game, but its the most fun I cant get out of it. Nor even living world stuff where I get 3 fps when party gets wider and bigger for a stupid boss fight is more fun/profitable in my opinion.
Short answer about your buy dungeons with gems: no I wouldn’t, because I don’t play to have stuff not in gw2 or in any other game i’v played. Ever.

I know I’m late to this discussion, but I just started running dungeons again for the first time since they changed the rewards system, and I was stunned by the token nerf.

I absolutely understand why they removed silver from champ kills, as that was the main reason people farmed CoF p1. But the nerf to tokens makes absolutely no sense to me. It’s essentially putting a time gate on exotic quality gear. By the time I’ve earned enough tokens to fully gear a character I’ve made enough gold to simply buy 10 times that amount of armor. And isn’t that the whole point of a token reward system? To give people an alternative way to obtain gear without having to use gold?

Really do not see the reasoning behind this change, was it ever announced why they felt this was necessary?

Because people were running those paths with all their 80s, then buying dungeon rares for ecto salvage.

Arenanet is really on their ecto income rate, they don’t want you to get more ectos than they want you to get.

This allowed for too much ectos.

There are only 3 dungeons with token rares high enough to salvage for ecto, Arah not included, because it’s not a very efficient farm.

Even then, that’s what 25-30 ecto a day, realistically? Assuming someone has 10 chars (most don’t) and actually has the patience to do 20 runs a day. 1200 tokens / 30 = 40 rares x .75 salvage rate, 30 ecto on average.

How is that not easily achievable from simply doing metas and farming for rares elsewhere? People can’t be in two places at once, if they’re farming dungeons for rares they aren’t farming metas and vice versa. But either way if someone wants ecto, they’re gonna get ecto, so what does a token nerf change?

The problem was that all people were doing was farming gold with their gold find infusions and omnoms and scavenging runes, any possible ecto was just a secondary bonus. The meat of the pie was taken away when the champ bags were put into place, there’s no reason to kill tokens along with it.

It’s an account bound resource that gives account bound rewards which can inefficiently be turned into gold if one were so inclined. They haven’t killed the farm, they’ve simply moved it elsewhere, and hurt everyone that used tokens to gear up in the process.

If they’re not gonna revert the token change, the least they can do is make dungeon armor have a selection of stats like magic find gear, with all the available dungeon stat combinations. That way you can actually hit multiple dungeons to still get the gear you’re after in roughly the same amount of time as before the nerf.

old thread but I’ll bite.
Anet has killed alts or reason for alts. people who bought char slots basically useless beyond easy item space.
WvW not being account bound don’t know why they didn’t this have with it at launch of it at least they are finally adding it but still should of been there at rank launch.
dungeon tokens and such I use to do cof 1 and 2 6 times a day took about 2-3 hours depending on speed of getting a group and quality of group.

all my alts just gather dust or cost a lot to put better gear on them.

Time gating is horrible in every way it stops people from wanting to play almost all day to only few hours this happen with me in wow oh limit number of tokens you can have on the account to stop the flow of income and kitten and to equal out power among players to if you can log on for few mins a day. If you want to get better or get more money you should be allowed to. and its gotten worst with the cost of ascended armor/weapons and gem exchange sky rocketing every patch.

I don’t know why you’re saying anet killed alts.

I agree that ascended are extremely time consuming to get; but honestly you can gear an 80 in full zerker for about 20 gold if you’re smart about it.

I have 6 fully geared full berzerker exo chars. They are all powerful and I use them in different context, because one class doesn’t rule all.

PowerCat.5738:

I don’t know why you’re saying anet killed alts.

I agree that ascended are extremely time consuming to get; but honestly you can gear an 80 in full zerker for about 20 gold if you’re smart about it.

I have 6 fully geared full berzerker exo chars. They are all powerful and I use them in different context, because one class doesn’t rule all.

or you could get a full set of gear using nothing but karma, minus slots.

Apparently you haven’t heard of warrior lol…. jk…… but no really

Jon.1376:

PowerCat.5738:

I don’t know why you’re saying anet killed alts.

I agree that ascended are extremely time consuming to get; but honestly you can gear an 80 in full zerker for about 20 gold if you’re smart about it.

I have 6 fully geared full berzerker exo chars. They are all powerful and I use them in different context, because one class doesn’t rule all.

or you could get a full set of zerk gear using nothing but karma, minus slots.

Apparently you haven’t heard of warrior lol…. jk…… but no really

Where?

According to http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Equipment_acquisition_by_stats#Level_80_exotic_equipment, you can’t get any berserker equipment with karma.

Pls respond

olleandersson.9408:

As soon as it gets a little bit more… difficult, people will always cry. Players don’t want to do all paths of a dungeon, they only want to do the easy one to get their rewards as easy and fast as possible. Which is sad, i hope they keep the changes. This is the first time in months that i’ve visited gw2lfg without seeing ‘’LF3M ZERK WARRIORS PING OR KICK’’ all over the site, which is kittening awesome. I love it.

Lazy people will always be lazy. Get your crap together and try some different paths for exchange, i promise you that you won’t get bored as fast.

Its really ironic that you make this post about people being upset about their dungeon runs getting nerfed all to hack and rewards on alts being rendered moot with your hateful arrogant attitude, but then , low and behold, I look at a history of your posts and there you are doing the exacts same thing about the karma Nerf and “how much longer and more frustrating it will be to farm karma” for your precious THIRD LEGENDARY!! You, sir, are a complete hypocrite and this is the exact ‘foot in mouth’ selfish attitude a loathe so much about some people in the GW2 community. I’ve had 8 geared 80’s for a very long time now as I leveled alts instead of grinding Legendaries like so many others. I like running dungeons. That’s what I like to do and that’s how/why I leveled all 8 professions and it was a good source of income/loot/way to acquire gear for multiple builds. Like the op and many others this Nerf has made me gradually lose more and more interest in this game over time where plenty of days I don’t even care to log in any more. All my opinions aside, don’t come here being hateful to one group of players who get a huge Nerf, and then hypocritically come back to rage when the same thing happens to you. That goes for the rest of the community as well. Tread lightly and have some empathy for other players losses b/c in the near or distant future you will surely fall under the Nerf hammer as well in some way. A-net should change the name of this game as it certainly doesn’t deserve the reputation its big brother has passed on to it.

PowerCat.5738:

Jon.1376:

PowerCat.5738:

I don’t know why you’re saying anet killed alts.

I agree that ascended are extremely time consuming to get; but honestly you can gear an 80 in full zerker for about 20 gold if you’re smart about it.

I have 6 fully geared full berzerker exo chars. They are all powerful and I use them in different context, because one class doesn’t rule all.

or you could get a full set of zerk gear using nothing but karma, minus slots.

Apparently you haven’t heard of warrior lol…. jk…… but no really

Where?

According to http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Equipment_acquisition_by_stats#Level_80_exotic_equipment, you can’t get any berserker equipment with karma.

Pls respond

yah I goofed on that one, I would have sworn I bought a zerk back but I was mistaken