Level 80 raids
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The problem with large group raids is that it leads to elitism.. and this game goes out of its way to not have that. You can’t even argue that point, just reading through this thread you got a couple of raiders already telling people they aren’t good enough at playing a game to “raid”.
Also, raiding gets done by a small percent of players but take huge amounts of work to put into a game. From what I have seen, anet wants everyone to enjoy what they have worked on, not just some people.
One last thing, raiding is also an over saturated market. Every game has been trying to copy the WoW formula of “get highest level, raid with 10-40 other people”. That end game has been done, and done, and done. Time to try something new. There is plenty of other places to get your raiding fix.
All for the new kind of game. But done over and over? MMOs are made in pretty much the same way. More or less. Would be nice to have a game thats not lacking something people are asking for. Why should a game just please a majority of people when it can please the whole community? So “the majority” you speak of will simply quit just because there is more or larger content? Makes no sense.
Proving my point about the raiding mentality. If you can stop putting words in my mouth for a moment.. I never said the majority would leave, I SAID that it take alot of work and resources to make and balance raids, raids that are only done by a minority of players. So far, and from everything I have read from them, they choose to devote that time and money on things everyone (including you) can enjoy.
As for just opening up how many people can get into the dungeons they have now… there is already many threads about it being nothing but a zergfest. How much work and time will be needed to make them balanced? And then you have the vocal minority whining that they are not getting better lootz.
Not a fan of raids… but who cares if they add them? Some of you sound like its a make or break that just having a raid in the game will crush your souls. Get real.
Adding large-scale raids adds an element of the game that a casual player or small groups would never experience.
My guild for example is personal friends. We are at 13 people, but usually 6 online on average at once. The largest draw to most of the people playing in our group is that with even just 5 of us we could experience 100% of the game.
I hope to heck that Arenanet never adds dungeons PVE systems with groups larger than 5.
I DO hope that they allow larger groups in WvW though, as it would be nice for a guild to have a group of 20 to utilize chat/map-drawing for strategy in WvW.
These dungeons that you see everyone crying about? That’s the end game, and why people aren’t able to blindly mash their way through them. Which annoys them to no end as they MUST have their WoW style dungeons, anything else is obviously broken.
Please quit demanding every game that comes out to conform to WoW style play.
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This is not world of warcraft though is it. It’s Guild Wars 2. There is a big difference. Why do you need to take 20 people into a dungeon with you when you can have 5? You get nothing different from having 5,10,15,20,25 or even 40 players in the group you’re still going to be running the same dungeon. @Nightfury, what does it matter if you can’t have ALL of your friends in the same group? Rotate who you do them with simple.
Rotate my friends? This is a MMO not a single player game. I like the challenge of coordinating with more than 5 people.
HAHAHAH… Coordinating more then 5 people in raids. I’m assuiming you played wow and there was no coordination in raids. It was “right stand there press this button” “You stand there and press this button” “Everyone else DPS!”… yeah that’s really coodinating. Atleast in these 5man dungeons they are a challange. EVERYONE has to move everyone has to coordinate with eachother as you can just boost one person through it unlike wow where i knew guilds that sold heroic raid runs to people who can’t do them for mounts/gear.
Yes I have played WoW since beta. It never used to be like the game it has become today. Today its mad easy for 12 year olds to play. Back then, you had to coordinate 40 people, and if one person screwed up then you failed. So get your facts right.
I’ve played wow since vanilla too and yes the 40man raids was more challangeing then Cata raids, but i’d still say doing these dungeons are much more fun and better. if you want raids go back to wow. I know my facts and i know you don’t need 20 players just to have a challangeing yet fun dungeon.
@Nuadu Oh the hardest raid in ages FL i knew afew guilds selling heroic rans for people to get the mount from it.
If you played vanilla why would you even mention cata? What 40 man raids did you do?
P.S You might like dungeons that only have 5 people in it, but that does not mean it is fun for everyone else. I am not going back to wow since its to easy, making it a bore fest. I left after wrath because they “were not making the game for hard core raiders anymore” I bought this game to enjoy it, not to be told to go back to WoW which I did not even come from nor want to play.
I came from WoW and SWTOR and a few other MMO’s I played through the years. And I am loving GW2 as it is and it is such a breath of fresh air to the scene imo. If they kept the game with no raids being added i would continue to play and be perfectly happy to do so. However I understand that some people do want raids, if they were added I would be all over them.
I dont think they would hurt the game if added correctly. The biggest issue with Raids is that in MMOs raiding serves as a way to obtain the best gear in the game. GW2 was designed completely opposite so that no matter how you chose to reach 80 and play the game, you could still have the highest tier gear for your character. (Min/maxing and stat optimization is another thing) So Raiding would have to be done in a way that the rewards provided do not give an advantage to Raiders vs Non-Raiders. And still be rewarding enough so that you feel the effort put into the raid is worth it.
That I feel would be the hardest part if ArenaNet did ever decide to put them into the game. I would love to raid if each boss dropped specific loot unique to that encounter that looked awesome and could not be obtained elsewhere. Or if each boss or the last boss dropped a few rare materials for level 80 epic or legendary crafting. Things like these would be fun to have and give people reason to do them. But its a very touchy issue and Anet would need to really balance it properly if they ever added Raiding content in.
For me I would like to see it, its not a must have but i would participate if it was added. I will be around this game for a long while regardless.
To quote Mike(I think) If you want to do something with a large number of people try the dynamic events. If you want a more organized and a team/skill based challenge try the dungeons. If you want both of those then maybe Guild Wars 2 isn’t the game for you.
tl;dr GW2 is not getting raids so if it is that much of a deal breaker not having raids then play a game that does have raids. There is no sub so you can come and go as you please with this game.
This is the first issue of GW2, they have to work out the newly created systems before they can work on expanding it. DE’s have the potential for being raid-like but “without all the bureaucracy” as someone stated above. Maybe eventually 8 man dungeons but other than that I certainly don’t ever want to see EQ-75-man raids again(what is this thing called wow everyone keeps bringing up?).
WvW is probably your best bet for now. It can be addicting.
Frankly, 5 man dungeons ARE level 80 raids.
“Those who believe a thing cannot be done,
should stay out of the way of those doing it”
- Thomas Edison
should stay out of the way of those doing it”
- Thomas Edison
Frankly, 5 man dungeons ARE level 80 raids.
minus the fact that its a party not a raid. Can you imagine a “5 man raid” storming a castle? that would not be that impressive now would it?
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