Guild Wars 2

STIHL.2489:

But remember, you do play a role if the game does start to die, because you were the one that wanted to exclude people, and told them to get out if they didn’t like it.

+1 Interesting that not even the forum specialist can see the danger of this “gtfo if you can’t hang” attitude that a lot of the consistent posters in the sub spew.

STIHL.2489:

Harper.4173:

This is not a sport – you’re right – but there are plenty of playing customers right now.
People leave – it’s inevitable.
Also I have no idea how much you spent on the game but I’m pretty sure you’re not that big of a part of Anet’s income.

I’m just going to talk about this for a small moment.

For the record, I used to spend around 40 a month, 10 a week. Just a small budget of money spent on a game, Nothing much really.

And I have to agree, One person is a drop in the bucket, but it’s never 1 person, it’s all about demographics.

So, just to play for a moment.

Taking a demographic that is hinged on two points, Spending around 40 a month, and Leaving due to the whole Hardcore/Elitism direction Anet is taking with Raids and HoT Content, and opted to follow your advice and Move On

Lets say that demographic of Players made up 1% of the players. A very small group of people no doubt. Well, I believe it was mentioned that GW2 has around 100K unique daily log ins, so 1% of that would be $520K loss a year, or put another way, That means the entire Raid Team’s annual salary, just walked out the door.

I don’t even want to think of how much they just lost if that demographic represents something like 10% of the Paying Clients.

But remember, you do play a role if the game does start to die, because you were the one that wanted to exclude people, and told them to get out if they didn’t like it.

Your speculation only goes one way though.
First of all I’d venture to say that you’re an exception – and that the average GW2 player does not spend as much money a month. I doubt players that spend as much as you do as often as you do form the backbone of this game’s income.

Second of all – in your case Raids are definitely not an option because of the physical issues – however there are players out there that adapt and learn and start raiding.
Not everyone quits just because of Raids.
Some quit, some stay and start raiding – most stay and ignore raids. Some join because of Raids while others come back after quitting because of them.

Your numbers are pretty odd too – you have no idea how many people will walk because of Raids.
I’ve seen plenty of “I quit posts” only to see the people return after a few months. You also assume the same spending rate as yours – which again I believe is abnormally high.

Those things aside – GW2 has lost tremendously more players through the badly designed and poor in content expansion that was HoT.
It was grindy, had very little story, very few new skins, only 4 legendaries and so on. I’d venture to say EITHER of those has lost GW2 more players than the fact that Raids are in the game now.

If Anet is to keep players – they need to improve the content in both quality and quantity.

I play a role if the game starts to die – I play a role if the game gets better – I play a role if the game stays the same. Because I pay for the game and I play the game.
I was the one who wanted to exclude people – sure – but I never told you to get out if you didn’t like it.

I told you to improve, form your own groups and work for it. I understand why in your particular case that isn’t an option. But for the vast majority of players it is – most players can gear properly, use the proper builds and train until they get good at the game and learn the raids.
I’ve been saying it over and over in this thread and others: Can’t find people that will take you into raids? TRY harder. Make a team, set-up a schedule – train. That’s how we all did it.

In YOUR particular case there are options – just that you’re not willing to be bothered with them. I told you – play the TP – earn gold – buy your runs if you want the rewards and legendary armor.

I told people they won’t get a free carry and I stick by that – if you want something – work for it – don’t expect others to come along and get it for you.

Fun fact – what if Raids brought in more people than they made quit? The problem with your speculation is that it is just speculation. Anet has the numbers. You don’t – and neither do I – so let’s not go all fatalist “what if 430924093% percent of the player base left because of Raids?”.

munki.6402:

STIHL.2489:

But remember, you do play a role if the game does start to die, because you were the one that wanted to exclude people, and told them to get out if they didn’t like it.

+1 Interesting that not even the forum specialist can see the danger of this “gtfo if you can’t hang” attitude that a lot of the consistent posters in the sub spew.

So what attitude would you rather we used to greet people who basically go:

“I paid for this game I’m entitled to clear raids like there’s no tomorrow even though I can’t be bothered to work towards it – pls someone get in here and carry me”.

Raids are hard – they require work – they require 10 people that know what they are doing and that play well together.
That in turn requires gearing properly, building your character properly and training in order to know what to do – what to not do – and how to improve when you’re doing poorly.

All that doesn’t come by just “joining a raid group” that is looking for experienced members – it comes by actually trying to become experienced.

If you’re not experienced why would a group looking for experienced members have you?
And why not make a new group – with NEW players – that aren’t “elitist jerks” and learn the raids yourself. Train – get good – and then teach others if that’s your cup of tea?

munki.6402:

STIHL.2489:

But remember, you do play a role if the game does start to die, because you were the one that wanted to exclude people, and told them to get out if they didn’t like it.

+1 Interesting that not even the forum specialist can see the danger of this “gtfo if you can’t hang” attitude that a lot of the consistent posters in the sub spew.

Interesting how people can only see this point through their own tinted glasses. A great deal of players who raid nowadays only play GW2 because raids exist. By telling them that they can’t have raids or other challenging PvE content you are doing exactly the same thing as you are accusing people of doing, i.e. excluding them from the game.

You are telling them to get out if they don’t like it.

The key difference between the two requests is one party tries to wipe out the others content entirely whereas the other simply wants them to work on both, even accepting that they should split resources accordingly to pleasing the majority/minority, which they have done currently.

I think it’s pretty obvious who the truly selfish people in this affair are.

I also go back to -92 MUDs and EQ raiding so I couldn’t resist throwing in my 2 cents:

Raids in GW2 are most accessible to players compared to any other MMO I’ve played in last 25 years. There is always some overhead to start but there are lots of informative posts helping to get over it.

I also love how raids mechanics in GW2 involve most players in team and not just tank and healers.

Back to the topic: Great raids and give us more please!

STIHL.2489 Seems to be arguing in bad faith, I think he’s best ignored, he’s not interested in a honest argument, just in shouting his myopic views from a soapbox.

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