Guild Wars 2

Power does also affect the reflects, just not as much as critdmg/traits.

Dub.1273:

Power does also affect the reflects, just not as much as critdmg/traits.

If you are right about this, then it has to be 0.000001% influence or something, try out going to karka island, put feedback over a young one, note a non crit hit, then take off all your armor and do the same, I’d be surprised if you see any difference (apart from maybe the scholar runes effect ofcourse)

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/professions/mesmer/Project-Mesmer-WvW-build-Reflection-guide/first#post2218121

Someone else tested in the mists and saw no difference with low and high power.

There’s really any point in arguing feedback here, the fault is Anet boss design and in particular, their attacks.

Lupi isnt the only one that does this, there are plenty others. These specific kinds of overpowering attacks should punch through both reflect and block. We got dodge, harder difficulty wouldnt hurt.

This is amazing, congrats guys!

Dawdler.8521:

There’s really any point in arguing feedback here, the fault is Anet boss design and in particular, their attacks.

Lupi isnt the only one that does this, there are plenty others. These specific kinds of overpowering attacks should punch through both reflect and block. We got dodge, harder difficulty wouldnt hurt.

Except when you go with a random group, i can dodge most boss attacks and maybe you can the same but you would be surprised how many cant and just stand still behind wall of reflection because they don’t know how to dodge at all.

Feedback is fine, the problem is that GL’s projectiles should be unblockable. That would really kick it up a notch in a positive way, in my opinion.

Rising Dusk.2408:

Feedback is fine, the problem is that GL’s projectiles should be unblockable. That would really kick it up a notch in a positive way, in my opinion.

That would be great… for parties with less than 3 people.

Rising Dusk.2408:

Feedback is fine, the problem is that GL’s projectiles should be unblockable. That would really kick it up a notch in a positive way, in my opinion.

Hey mesmers, here’s an ability that reflects projectiles.

…except when we don’t want you to.

colesy.8490:

Hey mesmers, here’s an ability that reflects projectiles.

…except when we don’t want you to.

Yep, just like Old Tom, siege weapons in WvW, and plenty of other places where such precedent exists. I don’t think the unblockable projectile functionality should be too prevalent, but I do think GL would be a better fight if it were the case for him.

How about we just nerf the damage output of anybody who has participated in a sub-45 second Lupicus kill? They’re the only ones doing it. I don’t see why 99.9% of the game population has to be impacted because of the shenanigans of like 40 people.

Dub.1273:

Didn’t you somewhere list it with 1,56 million? My feedback had 17 hits, 33k each. Thats 561k damage which is 35%. In an average group it would have mostlikely been 22k hits or less. So with lots of reflects (hitting max. 20) it would be about 30%.

Oh so 35% is perfectly fine for what was intended to be an endgame boss to shoot itself for because a reflect bubble was up?

Player Character.9467:

Dub.1273:

Didn’t you somewhere list it with 1,56 million? My feedback had 17 hits, 33k each. Thats 561k damage which is 35%. In an average group it would have mostlikely been 22k hits or less. So with lots of reflects (hitting max. 20) it would be about 30%.

Oh so 35% is perfectly fine for what was intended to be an endgame boss to shoot itself for because a reflect bubble was up?

How about they reduce the number of projectiles he does by, say half? So SOLO and other groups can’t bypass phase 2 and 3 anymore. They’ll still kill him in under 60 seconds, but this change won’t make the fight even harder for non-hardcore groups. In fact it’ll be easier for the general populace, but harder for record-setters. Win-win for all of you so offended by the fact that 4 guilds can clear him this quickly.

It doesn’t bother me that players can beat him so quickly. I actually sort of wish he were harder so more pubs would fail and be forced to play better or stop trying. I love having a boss that people think of fondly as “that boss that is insanely tough”. That in itself is part of why GL is such a meaningful target for these speed clear groups, and not something else like L48 Fractal Grawl boss or whatever. That’s all why I really like the idea of making his projectiles unblockable.

I think Lupi is about at the right level as it is right now. No need to change anything and no need to nerf anything.
For those who wanted to nerf this & that, there are 3 sources to this problem: Total magnitude of projectiles, Lupi’s health and reflection capacity. Now why is it to change one but not the others or all 3 togethers?

Rising Dusk.2408:

It doesn’t bother me that players can beat him so quickly. I actually sort of wish he were harder so more pubs would fail and be forced to play better or stop trying. I love having a boss that people think of fondly as “that boss that is insanely tough”. That in itself is part of why GL is such a meaningful target for these speed clear groups, and not something else like L48 Fractal Grawl boss or whatever. That’s all why I really like the idea of making his projectiles unblockable.

Because grawl shaman isn’t about projectile defense, right?

Oh he totally is, but what he is isn’t really relevant to what I was saying; I just chose him as an arbitrary target for speed runners, and tried to provide justification for why speed runners like GL more. I could just as easily have said Tazza from SE or something. :P

Rising Dusk.2408:

Oh he totally is, but what he is isn’t really relevant to what I was saying; I just chose him as an arbitrary target for speed runners, and tried to provide justification for why speed runners like GL more. I could just as easily have said Tazza from SE or something. :P

bad pugs don’t think grawl is insanely tough?:d

I’d like to see Malrona. She’s fairly simple to get down in one time warp, but I’d like to see a sub 8 second kill or something, hah.

would 1 ele with 2 ice bows and meteor shower help maybe? (mesmer could take the second ice bow)

or is 1 warrior better than the dmg of 2x ice bow aoe and meteor shower?

Orangensaft.7139:

would 1 ele with 2 ice bows and meteor shower help maybe? (mesmer could take the second ice bow)

or is 1 warrior better than the dmg of 2x ice bow aoe and meteor shower?

Meteor shower radius is too big and ice bow has too long channel time.

Broadicea.8294:

I’d like to see Malrona. She’s fairly simple to get down in one time warp, but I’d like to see a sub 8 second kill or something, hah.

I think I saw a video of her instakilling herself with one volley of her poison projectiles thanks to a properly built Mesmer’s Feedback. Sub 4 seconds is probably totally doable depending on how soon you can get her to pop her projectiles.

Rising Dusk.2408:

Broadicea.8294:

I’d like to see Malrona. She’s fairly simple to get down in one time warp, but I’d like to see a sub 8 second kill or something, hah.

I think I saw a video of her instakilling herself with one volley of her poison projectiles thanks to a properly built Mesmer’s Feedback. Sub 4 seconds is probably totally doable depending on how soon you can get her to pop her projectiles.

Good luck even getting him into phase 2 in 4 seconds… I Think solo is doing it the best way possible. Although they did say there room for improvement I don’t think we will ever see lupi down in under 15 seconds. Who knows though.

DivineSlayer.5039:

Rising Dusk.2408:

Broadicea.8294:

I’d like to see Malrona. She’s fairly simple to get down in one time warp, but I’d like to see a sub 8 second kill or something, hah.

I think I saw a video of her instakilling herself with one volley of her poison projectiles thanks to a properly built Mesmer’s Feedback. Sub 4 seconds is probably totally doable depending on how soon you can get her to pop her projectiles.

Good luck even getting him into phase 2 in 4 seconds… I Think solo is doing it the best way possible. Although they did say there room for improvement I don’t think we will ever see lupi down in under 15 seconds. Who knows though.

I do believe they’re talking about Malrona

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

DivineSlayer.5039:

Rising Dusk.2408:

Broadicea.8294:

I’d like to see Malrona. She’s fairly simple to get down in one time warp, but I’d like to see a sub 8 second kill or something, hah.

I think I saw a video of her instakilling herself with one volley of her poison projectiles thanks to a properly built Mesmer’s Feedback. Sub 4 seconds is probably totally doable depending on how soon you can get her to pop her projectiles.

Good luck even getting him into phase 2 in 4 seconds… I Think solo is doing it the best way possible. Although they did say there room for improvement I don’t think we will ever see lupi down in under 15 seconds. Who knows though.

I do believe they’re talking about Malrona

Oh…wow…my bad

tom.7468:

Except when you go with a random group, i can dodge most boss attacks and maybe you can the same but you would be surprised how many cant and just stand still behind wall of reflection because they don’t know how to dodge at all.

YOU would be surprised how many like to stand in front of the wall

Wukunlin.8461:

tom.7468:

Except when you go with a random group, i can dodge most boss attacks and maybe you can the same but you would be surprised how many cant and just stand still behind wall of reflection because they don’t know how to dodge at all.

YOU would be surprised how many like to stand in front of the wall

Put the wall in the middle of bloomhunger and everyone in melee is safe as long as they avoid the circles.

Rising Dusk.2408:

Broadicea.8294:

I’d like to see Malrona. She’s fairly simple to get down in one time warp, but I’d like to see a sub 8 second kill or something, hah.

I think I saw a video of her instakilling herself with one volley of her poison projectiles thanks to a properly built Mesmer’s Feedback. Sub 4 seconds is probably totally doable depending on how soon you can get her to pop her projectiles.

I went in and did some testing with some friends; we only managed to get one big burst out of maybe 20 tries. It could be due to our lack of understanding, I really don’t know. I’ll attach the screen of the Mesmers damage log from that, though. It took Malrona from 100% to around 30%.

Based on the hit we managed to do with Feed back, I imagine you could easily do a sub-8 second Malrona. The trick would be to figure out how to replicate making your Feed back hit that hard If anyone knows how, sharing is caring ^^

Btw, reflects are fair and balanced.

spoj.9672:

Wukunlin.8461:

tom.7468:

Except when you go with a random group, i can dodge most boss attacks and maybe you can the same but you would be surprised how many cant and just stand still behind wall of reflection because they don’t know how to dodge at all.

YOU would be surprised how many like to stand in front of the wall

Put the wall in the middle of bloomhunger and everyone in melee is safe as long as they avoid the circles.

I’m assuming random groups = pug groups. In which case there will always be those ranging at 1200 range. In which case some projectiles aiming far away will go over the wall down them. And yes around half of the pugs I’ve met at 38 don’t avoid circles.

The Mexican Cookie.3690:

Rising Dusk.2408:

Broadicea.8294:

I’d like to see Malrona. She’s fairly simple to get down in one time warp, but I’d like to see a sub 8 second kill or something, hah.

I think I saw a video of her instakilling herself with one volley of her poison projectiles thanks to a properly built Mesmer’s Feedback. Sub 4 seconds is probably totally doable depending on how soon you can get her to pop her projectiles.

I went in and did some testing with some friends; we only managed to get one big burst out of maybe 20 tries. It could be due to our lack of understanding, I really don’t know. I’ll attach the screen of the Mesmers damage log from that, though. It took Malrona from 100% to around 30%.

Based on the hit we managed to do with Feed back, I imagine you could easily do a sub-8 second Malrona. The trick would be to figure out how to replicate making your Feed back hit that hard If anyone knows how, sharing is caring ^^

Btw, reflects are fair and balanced.

probably make me sound stupid but does the poison thing buff the reflected damage?

It increases your damage by x10.

Dub.1273:

It increases your damage by x10.

So you have to get hit with the poison poop? Apparently I’ve never paid attention to Malrona that much to observe that poison doing anything…

EDIT: Just wiki’d it, today I learned Though wiki says ~4x more damage :P

Only x4?

Hah, I wrote the wiki tip based on my observation. Feel free to update if you have some better evidence of 10×.

Ed: Strife’s video has him hitting her with sword auto for about 1000 before poison, and about 4000-5000 after poison with some might stacks.

http://youtu.be/EFMcn54PVYU?t=1m48s

x10 was just a wish i had

Its so irritating in pugs when you tell them not to clear the poison and they say ok. Then it gets cleared instantly anyway. :/

Actually Laurent might be a more interesting speed kill since he doesn’t kill himself with feedback and you have to avoid a lot of annoying knockdown attacks. Others that might be interesting and can’t be done in a single time warp:

-Givna
-Tazza
-Bjarl
-Seamus
-Vevina

Let’s go for 79 archdiviner………

Dub.1273:

Didn’t you somewhere list it with 1,56 million? My feedback had 17 hits, 33k each. Thats 561k damage which is 35%. In an average group it would have mostlikely been 22k hits or less. So with lots of reflects (hitting max. 20) it would be about 30%.

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Wethospu.6437:

Dub.1273:

Didn’t you somewhere list it with 1,56 million? My feedback had 17 hits, 33k each. Thats 561k damage which is 35%. In an average group it would have mostlikely been 22k hits or less. So with lots of reflects (hitting max. 20) it would be about 30%.

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minus 561,000 from feedback leaves 895,820 HP to drain from regular attacking over 21 seconds. Minus 5 seconds of invulnerability is 895,820/16 seconds or 55,988 per second from the party (increased damage from TW spread out for the average).

Yeah, throw an Engineer, Guardian, and Ranger in there instead of 4 warriors. They could definitely do better. /s