Guild Wars 2

why don’t they just let us skip everything and go to the final boss already, it sounds like that what people want.

Rainzar.6905:

why don’t they just let us skip everything and go to the final boss already, it sounds like that what people want.

Personally i’d love a timed attack or a boss mode or even an all path mode. Something to spice it up from the standard modes we have.
But mostly people want the bosses(their coins) and the chests that come with them.

I understand skipping when encounters are easy, boring and don’t give decent loot. When you simply gain nothing from the fight (fun, skills, wealth) why bother?
I also understand it if you are doing a timed run.

Wasabi Kitty.8247:

I already have an alt, a level 80 thief.

Most of the best gear in this game can’t even be bought with gold. You can’t buy dungeon gear. I’m working on Arah gear for my thief. I could buy zerkers crafted gear, but it’s ugly. I farmed the weapons in dungeons because they look better than most other weapons (barring legendaries)

So all I’ve needed to buy for my thief is accessories. Ascended back farmed through fractals, 2 ascended rings from level 10+ daily in fractals. I spent about 8 gold on the amulet, earrings, and another 3 gold on trait books.

I’ve got 50 gold in the bank and doubt I’ll have a use for it anytime soon, and it just keeps growing.

50g? I would find ways to spend thousands of gold in seconds easily :P

The irony here:
You will never have thousands of gold to spend if you keep wasting time on mobs that do not give you anything in any way.

Ari Kagura.9182:

In that case, I see that more as an “art-form” than anything. That’s like those crazy people who practice the art of Parkour running. Sure you get from A to B a little faster than the average jogger, but I think it’s more of a flashy way to get around, and usually pretty risky if you’re not careful at what you’re doing.

“Parkour” has had influence on military dating back to pre-ww1. It is the basis of many training courses as well. Just thought I’d throw that out there since you said they are crazy people and it’s mostly flash. At least you called it art Cheers!

ON TOPIC- It is pretty funny how long it takes to get a group who is willing to kill everything. But when you do it’s well worth it, personally I hate skipping monsters in fotm because I have gotten so many great drops from trash mobs and so much trash from bosses most of the time I’d rather just kill the trash mobs. Dredge map for example, everyone wants to run away and let them despawn. I want to kill them all and get as many miner bags I can, uhh… LODESTONES anyone?! Yeah that’s right, it’s rare but you can get lodestones from those bags and I have a few times!! Fotm is different from any other dungeon I’ve run (I haven’t done them all) in the sense the trash mobs are actually worth killing and drop consistently decent drops. 90% of the exotics I’ve ever dropped in a dungeon came from fotm trash mobs, not bosses, but mobs like harpys and dredge miners.

Would be nice if more people wanted to kill everything, yeah I understand not everyone has a whole extra “5 or 10” minutes to tack on their busy life to kill the extra mobs in a map, but it’s worth it. I’ve only been doin “kill everything” runs because I need to restack up on vials and goo to upgrade rings. These kinds of runs take 30min longer to get together then a normal one but I cant stand seeing potential vial drops left in the dust during a run because the group doesn’t want to kill anything but maw. And like someone else said, if you decide to stay back and kill stuff, or take a stand and say hey lets kill these. You’re likely to get booted and say goodbye to whatever you contributed so far(time and or effort). Makes sense from their pov if you hold the group back, but it sucks.

p.s merry mother kittening christmas everyone

BUTTERBLUME.3217:

The irony here:
You will never have thousands of gold to spend if you keep wasting time on mobs that do not give you anything in any way.

You mean repair costs! :P

Skipping mobs (safely without abandoning your team) isn’t always a mindless task. Rooting, pulls, cripples, stealths, blocks, and other measures are needed in quite a few places to actually get past the mobs. Skipping in and of itself is the reward for being able to do it. If you understand your mobility well enough, the capabilities of the rest of your party, and the mobs you’re passing, then your reward is not having to time sink by killing them.

In that case, I see that more as an “art-form” than anything. That’s like those crazy people who practice the art of Parkour running. Sure you get from A to B a little faster than the average jogger, but I think it’s more of a flashy way to get around, and usually pretty risky if you’re not careful at what you’re doing.

I think ‘it’s not completely skill-less’ is the kind of thing we can all agree on, even if just for the sake of being polite. But, Art Form? Let’s not go crazy here.

While mobs can be very different when you fight them, they (mostly) behave the same when you’re running from them. Running from mobs always creates the same situation, and you use the same skills for that same situation, and you apply those same skills in the same obvious ways everytime. That is to say, there’s a dominant strategy when it comes to skipping, and there’s not much of a skill ceiling to the execution of that strategy. There isn’t enough of a difference between success and failure for people to distinguish themselves from others, or continue to work towards greater improvement. There’s only a cache of secret locations the playerbase as a whole is slowly uncovering and showing to others, which is more an expression of our knowledge as a collective than our skills as individuals.

If being in combat didn’t slow down your run speed, if mobs had unique and different ways to keep a player in the area that required problem solving to circumvent, if mobs had different leashes and chasing behaviors that required the use of particular tools or timing to ‘shake’ them, if the environment was presenting more of a challenge than a mere distance to run, if the game actually had fully fleshed out stealth gameplay mechanics like Light/Sound in Thief:TDP – we could start talking about Art Form. As it stands ‘it’s not completely skill-less’ is….a pretty fair assessment.

TL;DR:

Reality check. You switch 2 skills and just run through mobs.

Dungeons right now: Follow a preset pattern which is the fastest and most effective. Skip anything that doesn’t give money.

How is this supposed to be fun in anyway? I feel like this gameplay style was almost intended because of the leash mechanics and the complete lack of incentive to kill anything walking around. I mean, you may as well just cut the kitten and let us walk straight to each boss for loot. There’s no “gameplay” in running past something.

Writetyper.1985:

Dungeons right now: Follow a preset pattern which is the fastest and most effective. Skip anything that doesn’t give money.

How is this supposed to be fun in anyway? I feel like this gameplay style was almost intended because of the leash mechanics and the complete lack of incentive to kill anything walking around. I mean, you may as well just cut the kitten and let us walk straight to each boss for loot. There’s no “gameplay” in running past something.

Rather, the current implementation of trash mobs is something I would consider having no game play involved. It’s just a crappy way to make players spend more time in dungeons.

And there is no need for YOU to think it’s fun. Seriously people like you have been around since release of GW1 and your little cause to rid Tyria of this evil type of dungeon running is as redundant and crappy now as it was then, because you know what?
Don’t like it? Don’t do it.

@Writetyper
Well, ‘no gameplay’ might be a little harsh.

But I do get what you mean. The dungeon layouts seem designed for skipping, but the actual act of skipping isn’t really all that fun to do. This is not some negative predisposition to the concept talking; I don’t think it’s lacking in fun because we’re skipping content, I think it’s lacking fun because there just isn’t enough happening to make skipping an interesting experience. I can name a dozen games off the top of my head where I’ve had the time of my life skipping mobs…and this is just not one of them.

It’s like a stealth game where somebody forgot to add the stealth.

Ok, lets take a dungeon everyone knows relly well: Ascalon Catacombs.

Typical skips:
Burrow at the camp.
Gravelings in the trap corridor.
Kholer.
Troll.
Gravelings in the corridors.
Goo.

Firt off, all of those other than Kholer will cause trouble if you have a bad group. So if you PuG, you’re better off not skipping them in case some people have to rez. “Don’t die” is not an option with people you don’t know, so you can’t afford to not clear the path you’re taking.

Kholer vs Troll: Throwing away 20+ silver for a fight that takes almost no effort? Or forcing PuGs to watch for 1-hit kill tells from two bosses at the same time? Not worth it in my opinion.

Illiander.8049:

Ok, lets take a dungeon everyone knows relly well: Ascalon Catacombs.

Kholer vs Troll: Throwing away 20+ silver for a fight that takes almost no effort? Or forcing PuGs to watch for 1-hit kill tells from two bosses at the same time? Not worth it in my opinion.

Why do you throw it away? If you attack out of max range at the last 5% of health yo ustill get full reward of them ;]

I’ve never seen anyone in a run I’ve done skip Kholer and people get antsy when the Troll doesn’t show up.

People (and by people I mean me) don’t do these under 70 dungeons for crappy tokens. You go in, kill everything that drops silver and repeat until DR hits.

I haven’t seen anyone die on kholer in about 2 months, only a player thats never fought him before wouldn’t understand the “dodge when he charges up” and since I don’t run with people that are sub 80 I don’t have this problem in AC

I agree with you skipping in fractals mostly but other dungeons also to a certain degree is getting well out of hand.

All you can do is what I do but that still doesent garuntee a positive outcome. I sit there spamming LFG no skip fractal 1-18, but when you get 2 fractals in everyone thinks its late enough and they start skipping. I then report these guys for scamming and note all there names with a screenshot and start again.

I would say maybe that on the bright side 2 out of every 5 runs is a positive experience where id omnt end up getting left for dead and/or having to leave the instance and try again. usually on maw as it happens.

As for ascalaon catacombs, i never skip kholer, he is so easy that skipping is laughable, yur actually losing money for time spent doing that so i dont see the point. You gain a wapont and good loot comparativley for the difficulty. The wp is handy on path 2 when navigating the flaming stairway after retreiving the item u go into the library for.

As for watching them both fight. the troll and kholer... its fun to watch once ill give it that.. After once tho just kill them both seperatly its much faster...

The cavern where the sceptre peices r spread out... Ive done it both ways but this mechanic here seems set yup for running around picking up the peices. I dont feel you meant to kill those, or it would be in seperate rooms that open as u collect each peice... as in the rest of the dungeon..

Those gravelings by the scepter pieces are the only thing my regular group doesn’t kill when we do AC. And we run all three routes in under an hour thirty when we’re being lazy, including time for clearing inventories, etc… between paths.

To everyone who wants to skip in PuGs:

• If you’re good enough to skip, then killing the mobs will take barely any time at all.
• If you’re not good enough to skip, then why are you trying?

Illiander.8049:

Those gravelings by the scepter pieces are the only thing my regular group doesn’t kill when we do AC. And we run all three routes in under an hour thirty when we’re being lazy, including time for clearing inventories, etc… between paths.

To everyone who wants to skip in PuGs:

• If you’re good enough to skip, then killing the mobs will take barely any time at all.
• If you’re not good enough to skip, then why are you trying?

The problem is, you say you do all paths in under 1h 30min when you can do them in under 30 min by skipping.

Some people just don’t want to waste that extra hour on mindless 1-2-3-4-5 spamming.

Skipping is the way forward. The mobs take long to kill and it’s the most boring thing you can do, better off getting to the boss/chest faster and ending it then going to another dungeon/fractal.
‘They can drop t5/t6 mats !!!’ What’s your point …? So can loads of mobs in orr and other areas…anyway t6 mats are barely worth anything now only venom and blood are decent atm…

Keep skipping peeps that’s how it gets done.

Gab Superstar.4059:

Illiander.8049:

Those gravelings by the scepter pieces are the only thing my regular group doesn’t kill when we do AC. And we run all three routes in under an hour thirty when we’re being lazy, including time for clearing inventories, etc… between paths.

To everyone who wants to skip in PuGs:

• If you’re good enough to skip, then killing the mobs will take barely any time at all.
• If you’re not good enough to skip, then why are you trying?

The problem is, you say you do all paths in under 1h 30min when you can do them in under 30 min by skipping.

Some people just don’t want to waste that extra hour on mindless 1-2-3-4-5 spamming.

Sorry, that’s an hour thirty while hitting every money mob, so that’s about 3 gold before selling anything (4-5g after selling stuff). I’m assuming your full-skip runs only get you the 120 tokens and 78 silver?

You also didn’t provide a counter to my point: If you’re in a PuG, you can’t trust them to actually be good enough to skip stuff effectively, so you’ll end up with half the party dying repeatadly and that half hour sweep will turn into a 3 hour one.

Illiander.8049:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Illiander.8049:

Those gravelings by the scepter pieces are the only thing my regular group doesn’t kill when we do AC. And we run all three routes in under an hour thirty when we’re being lazy, including time for clearing inventories, etc… between paths.

To everyone who wants to skip in PuGs:

• If you’re good enough to skip, then killing the mobs will take barely any time at all.
• If you’re not good enough to skip, then why are you trying?

The problem is, you say you do all paths in under 1h 30min when you can do them in under 30 min by skipping.

Some people just don’t want to waste that extra hour on mindless 1-2-3-4-5 spamming.

Sorry, that’s an hour thirty while hitting every money mob, so that’s about 3 gold before selling anything (4-5g after selling stuff). I’m assuming your full-skip runs only get you the 120 tokens and 78 silver?

You also didn’t provide a counter to my point: If you’re in a PuG, you can’t trust them to actually be good enough to skip stuff effectively, so you’ll end up with half the party dying repeatadly and that half hour sweep will turn into a 3 hour one.

No. All Graveling bosses drop money. 15s each with an omnom bar. The bags of gold also adds silver, as do the mobs we have to kill for objectives.

And its’s a lot more than 120 tokens but I guess that was just a typo.

The PUG thing does not bother me as I do not engage in them.

Typo: meant 180 tokens.

Lets break down what you mean by a skipping run then, because I think your definition is a little off.

This is what I would think of as a “skipping” full-money run.

All:
Skip Burrow.
Kill spider (I would expect you to kill at least some of the trash here).
Skip Gravelings in traps.
Kill troll wherever.
Kill Kholer.

AC 1:
Do Burrows (both paths at once for max speed).
Skip grubs and goo.
Run Scepter pieces.
Skip gravelings, focus down the money one in the middle of the rest then run.
Kill boss.

AC 2:
Focus money graveling and run.
Skip spiders.
do chains.
Focus money mob and run.
Skip goo.
Defend Detha.
Kill Boss.

AC 3:
Focus money graveling and run.
Skip ghosts.
DPS burrows.
Skip spiders.
DPS more burrows.
Run to money graveling, focus it down and run away.
Skip more gravelings.
Kill Boss.

If you can do all that in 30 mins, then my hat’s off to you. But I don’t think you can, and won’t believe you until you post a video.

As requested;

/watch?v=s4C41YeuGlY

/watch?v=GTOSOAXCr38

/watch?v=Ee6rKGlMUBU

Jezath.7395:

All you can do is what I do but that still doesent garuntee a positive outcome. I sit there spamming LFG no skip fractal 1-18, but when you get 2 fractals in everyone thinks its late enough and they start skipping. I then report these guys for scamming and note all there names with a screenshot and start again.

You do know that making false allegations against other players from using the report tool – when later checked out to see those reports were fraudulent – can wind you up with a suspension/ban, right? What you’re reporting them for doesn’t necessarily fall within Anet’s definition of scamming. That selection was put in for people who were abusing, rather stealing, items through use of the mail system that was a make shift method of trade during the beginning weeks when the TP was perpetually down for maintenance. Not for people who are deciding to change their method of clearing a dungeon, who you seem to think are scamming you. Doesn’t match up, and likely you’ll be the one punished – not them since they are doing nothing worthy of disciplinary action.

First of all I have only seen the ghost eater drop some significant stuff (the exotic ghost eater hide) in ac. Everything else is probably in chest
Now the fractals, yeah, u don’t wanna skip lots of mobs on that.

Gab Superstar.4059:

As requested;

/watch?v=s4C41YeuGlY

/watch?v=GTOSOAXCr38

/watch?v=Ee6rKGlMUBU

He said with killing Spider Queen and Kohler/Troll.

Those are normal times if you skip those bosses and miss out on the 42 silver and chest. I just watched your path 1 video and the correct way is to have 1 person drag the troll and kohler together to fight each other while the other 4 start the burrow event. Then you get a total of 28 silver and one chest for an extra 30 seconds worth of time.

Everyone knows you can do sub 10 minute runs by skipping them.

CoF is the best moneyrun anyways.

Strifey.7215:

Gab Superstar.4059:

As requested;

/watch?v=s4C41YeuGlY

/watch?v=GTOSOAXCr38

/watch?v=Ee6rKGlMUBU

He said with killing Spider Queen and Kohler/Troll.

Those are normal times if you skip those bosses and miss out on the 42 silver and chest. I just watched your path 1 video and the correct way is to have 1 person drag the troll and kohler together to fight each other while the other 4 start the burrow event. Then you get a total of 28 silver and one chest for an extra 30 seconds worth of time.

Everyone knows you can do sub 10 minute runs by skipping them.

CoF is the best moneyrun anyways.

Would killing Kohler be the “correct” way of doing it if you are not after the money?
Doing the runs exactly as in the video will provide you with more tokens and equal gold / hour, which was my point all along.

I guess it’s too hard for some people to keep themselves from sniping other people’s videos without even understanding why they were posted in the first place.

I’m not sure why this even boiled down to just AC. Hardly anything skipped in that dungeon out-weighs the time saved by doing so.

I feel the same about Arah, Hotw and CoE as well.

Gab Superstar.4059:

Strifey.7215:

Gab Superstar.4059:

As requested;

/watch?v=s4C41YeuGlY

/watch?v=GTOSOAXCr38

/watch?v=Ee6rKGlMUBU

He said with killing Spider Queen and Kohler/Troll.

Those are normal times if you skip those bosses and miss out on the 42 silver and chest. I just watched your path 1 video and the correct way is to have 1 person drag the troll and kohler together to fight each other while the other 4 start the burrow event. Then you get a total of 28 silver and one chest for an extra 30 seconds worth of time.

Everyone knows you can do sub 10 minute runs by skipping them.

CoF is the best moneyrun anyways.

Would killing Kohler be the “correct” way of doing it if you are not after the money?
Doing the runs exactly as in the video will provide you with more tokens and equal gold / hour, which was my point all along.

I guess it’s too hard for some people to keep themselves from sniping other people’s videos without even understanding why they were posted in the first place.

Actually it won’t, I speed run dungeons daily as you can see from my videos of every dungeon. Kohler and the troll fight each other while you do the event in every path and you come back and finish them on the way to the next event when they are at 10-20% health. You do not make more then 30s every minute speed running dungeons.

If you are running dungeons for money you should be doing CoF in the first place, and if you are running AC for money then the “correct” way is to make the troll and Kholer fight each other, not to fight them by themselves.

Sniping videos lol, maybe you should educate yourself and see who has all of the videos in the dungeon guide sticky or just click the link in my sig. I am well aware of how to speed run dungeons for money, much more then just AC.

They were obviously posted in reply to the person describing a money run, and your videos don’t show how to do an efficient money run, just a speed run.

Strifey.7215:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Strifey.7215:

Gab Superstar.4059:

As requested;

/watch?v=s4C41YeuGlY

/watch?v=GTOSOAXCr38

/watch?v=Ee6rKGlMUBU

He said with killing Spider Queen and Kohler/Troll.

Those are normal times if you skip those bosses and miss out on the 42 silver and chest. I just watched your path 1 video and the correct way is to have 1 person drag the troll and kohler together to fight each other while the other 4 start the burrow event. Then you get a total of 28 silver and one chest for an extra 30 seconds worth of time.

Everyone knows you can do sub 10 minute runs by skipping them.

CoF is the best moneyrun anyways.

Would killing Kohler be the “correct” way of doing it if you are not after the money?
Doing the runs exactly as in the video will provide you with more tokens and equal gold / hour, which was my point all along.

I guess it’s too hard for some people to keep themselves from sniping other people’s videos without even understanding why they were posted in the first place.

Actually it won’t, I speed run dungeons daily as you can see from my videos of every dungeon. Kohler and the troll fight each other while you do the event in every path and you come back and finish them on the way to the next event when they are at 10-20% health. You do not make more then 30s every minute speed running dungeons.

If you are running dungeons for money you should be doing CoF in the first place, and if you are running AC for money then the “correct” way is to make the troll and Kholer fight each other, not to fight them by themselves.

Sniping videos lol, maybe you should educate yourself and see who has all of the videos in the dungeon guide sticky or just click the link in my sig. I am well aware of how to speed run dungeons for money, much more then just AC.

This person describing the “money run” was replying to me, implying that I couldn’t make as much money / hour as he could, and yet you talk about money… Go read the entire conversation, I never ever talked about doing dungeons for money. All I ever said was that you can do all three paths in 30min, while making equally much gold as him, he didn’t believe me, I showed him videos.

So far all your posts amount to nothing but bashing and boasting for no good reason.

Gab Superstar.4059:

Strifey.7215:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Strifey.7215:

Gab Superstar.4059:

As requested;

/watch?v=s4C41YeuGlY

/watch?v=GTOSOAXCr38

/watch?v=Ee6rKGlMUBU

He said with killing Spider Queen and Kohler/Troll.

Those are normal times if you skip those bosses and miss out on the 42 silver and chest. I just watched your path 1 video and the correct way is to have 1 person drag the troll and kohler together to fight each other while the other 4 start the burrow event. Then you get a total of 28 silver and one chest for an extra 30 seconds worth of time.

Everyone knows you can do sub 10 minute runs by skipping them.

CoF is the best moneyrun anyways.

Would killing Kohler be the “correct” way of doing it if you are not after the money?
Doing the runs exactly as in the video will provide you with more tokens and equal gold / hour, which was my point all along.

I guess it’s too hard for some people to keep themselves from sniping other people’s videos without even understanding why they were posted in the first place.

Actually it won’t, I speed run dungeons daily as you can see from my videos of every dungeon. Kohler and the troll fight each other while you do the event in every path and you come back and finish them on the way to the next event when they are at 10-20% health. You do not make more then 30s every minute speed running dungeons.

If you are running dungeons for money you should be doing CoF in the first place, and if you are running AC for money then the “correct” way is to make the troll and Kholer fight each other, not to fight them by themselves.

Sniping videos lol, maybe you should educate yourself and see who has all of the videos in the dungeon guide sticky or just click the link in my sig. I am well aware of how to speed run dungeons for money, much more then just AC.

And yet you talk about money… Go read the entire conversation, I never ever talked about doing dungeons for money. All I ever said was that you can do all three paths in 30min, he didn’t believe me, I showed him videos.

So far all your posts amount to nothing but bashing and boasting for no good reason.

I read the whole thread… it’s not that hard to follow.

You said it can be done in 30 min. which I agree. He said your 30 min. run is probably with all skipping which it is. Then he made a post describing his money run, which he said he doubts you could do in 30 minutes. Then you replied by posting a video which isn’t the money run he described.

Sounds like you’re the one boasting for no good reason since you posted generic speed runs which most dedicated groups are aware of, and not a money run as he described.

I didn’t see anywhere where he doubted you could clear it in 30 min. with skipping.

So yes I’m bashing you because I expected to see a 30 min. money run since it sounds fast and I like to watch people speed run stuff to see if they do anything differently then my group, and instead I had to use your terrible non-linked links which turns out to be the same as any other speed run video and isn’t at all like Illiander described.

i.e. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTOSOAXCr38

Strifey.7215:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Strifey.7215:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Strifey.7215:

Gab Superstar.4059:

As requested;

/watch?v=s4C41YeuGlY

/watch?v=GTOSOAXCr38

/watch?v=Ee6rKGlMUBU

He said with killing Spider Queen and Kohler/Troll.

Those are normal times if you skip those bosses and miss out on the 42 silver and chest. I just watched your path 1 video and the correct way is to have 1 person drag the troll and kohler together to fight each other while the other 4 start the burrow event. Then you get a total of 28 silver and one chest for an extra 30 seconds worth of time.

Everyone knows you can do sub 10 minute runs by skipping them.

CoF is the best moneyrun anyways.

Would killing Kohler be the “correct” way of doing it if you are not after the money?
Doing the runs exactly as in the video will provide you with more tokens and equal gold / hour, which was my point all along.

I guess it’s too hard for some people to keep themselves from sniping other people’s videos without even understanding why they were posted in the first place.

Actually it won’t, I speed run dungeons daily as you can see from my videos of every dungeon. Kohler and the troll fight each other while you do the event in every path and you come back and finish them on the way to the next event when they are at 10-20% health. You do not make more then 30s every minute speed running dungeons.

If you are running dungeons for money you should be doing CoF in the first place, and if you are running AC for money then the “correct” way is to make the troll and Kholer fight each other, not to fight them by themselves.

Sniping videos lol, maybe you should educate yourself and see who has all of the videos in the dungeon guide sticky or just click the link in my sig. I am well aware of how to speed run dungeons for money, much more then just AC.

And yet you talk about money… Go read the entire conversation, I never ever talked about doing dungeons for money. All I ever said was that you can do all three paths in 30min, he didn’t believe me, I showed him videos.

So far all your posts amount to nothing but bashing and boasting for no good reason.

I read the whole thread… it’s not that hard to follow.

You said it can be done in 30 min. which I agree. He said your 30 min. run is probably with all skipping which it is. Then he made a post describing his money run. Then you replied by posting a video which isn’t a money run.

I didn’t see anywhere where he doubted you could clear it in 30 min. with skipping.

Sigh… Let me summarize.

- I said I could do a 30min run by skipping.
- He said I didn’t make as much money as he would make.
- I described why I could make as much money.
- He then said;
“If you can do all that in 30 mins, then my hat’s off to you. But I don’t think you can, and won’t believe you until you post a video.” Which would imply I couldn’t make as much money as him.
- I showed him proof that you can run all paths in under 30min, while earning as much money as him.
- You enter the thread and bash.

Gab Superstar.4059:

Strifey.7215:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Strifey.7215:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Strifey.7215:

Gab Superstar.4059:

As requested;

/watch?v=s4C41YeuGlY

/watch?v=GTOSOAXCr38

/watch?v=Ee6rKGlMUBU

He said with killing Spider Queen and Kohler/Troll.

Those are normal times if you skip those bosses and miss out on the 42 silver and chest. I just watched your path 1 video and the correct way is to have 1 person drag the troll and kohler together to fight each other while the other 4 start the burrow event. Then you get a total of 28 silver and one chest for an extra 30 seconds worth of time.

Everyone knows you can do sub 10 minute runs by skipping them.

CoF is the best moneyrun anyways.

Would killing Kohler be the “correct” way of doing it if you are not after the money?
Doing the runs exactly as in the video will provide you with more tokens and equal gold / hour, which was my point all along.

I guess it’s too hard for some people to keep themselves from sniping other people’s videos without even understanding why they were posted in the first place.

Actually it won’t, I speed run dungeons daily as you can see from my videos of every dungeon. Kohler and the troll fight each other while you do the event in every path and you come back and finish them on the way to the next event when they are at 10-20% health. You do not make more then 30s every minute speed running dungeons.

If you are running dungeons for money you should be doing CoF in the first place, and if you are running AC for money then the “correct” way is to make the troll and Kholer fight each other, not to fight them by themselves.

Sniping videos lol, maybe you should educate yourself and see who has all of the videos in the dungeon guide sticky or just click the link in my sig. I am well aware of how to speed run dungeons for money, much more then just AC.

And yet you talk about money… Go read the entire conversation, I never ever talked about doing dungeons for money. All I ever said was that you can do all three paths in 30min, he didn’t believe me, I showed him videos.

So far all your posts amount to nothing but bashing and boasting for no good reason.

I read the whole thread… it’s not that hard to follow.

You said it can be done in 30 min. which I agree. He said your 30 min. run is probably with all skipping which it is. Then he made a post describing his money run. Then you replied by posting a video which isn’t a money run.

I didn’t see anywhere where he doubted you could clear it in 30 min. with skipping.

Sigh… Let me summarize.

- I said I could do a 30min run by skipping.
- He said I didn’t make as much money as he would make.
- I described why I could make as much money.
- He then said;
“If you can do all that in 30 mins, then my hat’s off to you. But I don’t think you can, and won’t believe you until you post a video.” Which would imply I couldn’t make as much money as him.
- I showed him proof that you can run all paths in under 30min, while earning as much money as him.
- You enter the thread and bash.

If you’re talking about more money in 30 minutes then his 1hr 30 min run you are correct, because 1hr 30 min is a terrible time.

My point is your videos don’t show a 30 minute money run and don’t make more money then the typical 10 minute Path 1, and 12 minute Path 2 and 3 money runs which involve killing both Kholer and the Cave Troll for an additional 28s + chest per each run.

But yes, you do a 30 min AC speed clear, grats. I was disappointed that they weren’t an actual money run which is what I thought they would be after reading the chain of posts before you posted them, also I hate your manual links because I’m lazy.

kthxbye.

Strifey.7215:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Strifey.7215:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Strifey.7215:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Strifey.7215:

Gab Superstar.4059:

As requested;

/watch?v=s4C41YeuGlY

/watch?v=GTOSOAXCr38

/watch?v=Ee6rKGlMUBU

He said with killing Spider Queen and Kohler/Troll.

Those are normal times if you skip those bosses and miss out on the 42 silver and chest. I just watched your path 1 video and the correct way is to have 1 person drag the troll and kohler together to fight each other while the other 4 start the burrow event. Then you get a total of 28 silver and one chest for an extra 30 seconds worth of time.

Everyone knows you can do sub 10 minute runs by skipping them.

CoF is the best moneyrun anyways.

Would killing Kohler be the “correct” way of doing it if you are not after the money?
Doing the runs exactly as in the video will provide you with more tokens and equal gold / hour, which was my point all along.

I guess it’s too hard for some people to keep themselves from sniping other people’s videos without even understanding why they were posted in the first place.

Actually it won’t, I speed run dungeons daily as you can see from my videos of every dungeon. Kohler and the troll fight each other while you do the event in every path and you come back and finish them on the way to the next event when they are at 10-20% health. You do not make more then 30s every minute speed running dungeons.

If you are running dungeons for money you should be doing CoF in the first place, and if you are running AC for money then the “correct” way is to make the troll and Kholer fight each other, not to fight them by themselves.

Sniping videos lol, maybe you should educate yourself and see who has all of the videos in the dungeon guide sticky or just click the link in my sig. I am well aware of how to speed run dungeons for money, much more then just AC.

And yet you talk about money… Go read the entire conversation, I never ever talked about doing dungeons for money. All I ever said was that you can do all three paths in 30min, he didn’t believe me, I showed him videos.

So far all your posts amount to nothing but bashing and boasting for no good reason.

I read the whole thread… it’s not that hard to follow.

You said it can be done in 30 min. which I agree. He said your 30 min. run is probably with all skipping which it is. Then he made a post describing his money run. Then you replied by posting a video which isn’t a money run.

I didn’t see anywhere where he doubted you could clear it in 30 min. with skipping.

Sigh… Let me summarize.

- I said I could do a 30min run by skipping.
- He said I didn’t make as much money as he would make.
- I described why I could make as much money.
- He then said;
“If you can do all that in 30 mins, then my hat’s off to you. But I don’t think you can, and won’t believe you until you post a video.” Which would imply I couldn’t make as much money as him.
- I showed him proof that you can run all paths in under 30min, while earning as much money as him.
- You enter the thread and bash.

If you’re talking about more money in 30 minutes then his 1hr 30 min run you are correct, because 1hr 30 min is a terrible time.

My point is your videos don’t show a 30 minute money run and don’t make more money then the typical 10 minute Path 1, and 12 minute Path 2 and 3 money runs which involve killing both Kholer and the Cave Troll for an additional 28s + chest per each run.

But yes, you do a 30 min AC speed clear, grats. I was disappointed that they weren’t an actual money run which is what I thought they would be after reading the chain of posts before you posted them, also I hate your manual links because I’m lazy.

kthxbye.

Why would I show a money run? He implied that I couldn’t make as much money, and I proved him wrong. It was all I wanted to do. You should get some reading comprehension, and maybe some decency and respect as well.

Gab Superstar.4059:

Strifey.7215:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Strifey.7215:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Strifey.7215:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Strifey.7215:

Gab Superstar.4059:

As requested;

/watch?v=s4C41YeuGlY

/watch?v=GTOSOAXCr38

/watch?v=Ee6rKGlMUBU

He said with killing Spider Queen and Kohler/Troll.

Those are normal times if you skip those bosses and miss out on the 42 silver and chest. I just watched your path 1 video and the correct way is to have 1 person drag the troll and kohler together to fight each other while the other 4 start the burrow event. Then you get a total of 28 silver and one chest for an extra 30 seconds worth of time.

Everyone knows you can do sub 10 minute runs by skipping them.

CoF is the best moneyrun anyways.

Would killing Kohler be the “correct” way of doing it if you are not after the money?
Doing the runs exactly as in the video will provide you with more tokens and equal gold / hour, which was my point all along.

I guess it’s too hard for some people to keep themselves from sniping other people’s videos without even understanding why they were posted in the first place.

Actually it won’t, I speed run dungeons daily as you can see from my videos of every dungeon. Kohler and the troll fight each other while you do the event in every path and you come back and finish them on the way to the next event when they are at 10-20% health. You do not make more then 30s every minute speed running dungeons.

If you are running dungeons for money you should be doing CoF in the first place, and if you are running AC for money then the “correct” way is to make the troll and Kholer fight each other, not to fight them by themselves.

Sniping videos lol, maybe you should educate yourself and see who has all of the videos in the dungeon guide sticky or just click the link in my sig. I am well aware of how to speed run dungeons for money, much more then just AC.

And yet you talk about money… Go read the entire conversation, I never ever talked about doing dungeons for money. All I ever said was that you can do all three paths in 30min, he didn’t believe me, I showed him videos.

So far all your posts amount to nothing but bashing and boasting for no good reason.

I read the whole thread… it’s not that hard to follow.

You said it can be done in 30 min. which I agree. He said your 30 min. run is probably with all skipping which it is. Then he made a post describing his money run. Then you replied by posting a video which isn’t a money run.

I didn’t see anywhere where he doubted you could clear it in 30 min. with skipping.

Sigh… Let me summarize.

- I said I could do a 30min run by skipping.
- He said I didn’t make as much money as he would make.
- I described why I could make as much money.
- He then said;
“If you can do all that in 30 mins, then my hat’s off to you. But I don’t think you can, and won’t believe you until you post a video.” Which would imply I couldn’t make as much money as him.
- I showed him proof that you can run all paths in under 30min, while earning as much money as him.
- You enter the thread and bash.

If you’re talking about more money in 30 minutes then his 1hr 30 min run you are correct, because 1hr 30 min is a terrible time.

My point is your videos don’t show a 30 minute money run and don’t make more money then the typical 10 minute Path 1, and 12 minute Path 2 and 3 money runs which involve killing both Kholer and the Cave Troll for an additional 28s + chest per each run.

But yes, you do a 30 min AC speed clear, grats. I was disappointed that they weren’t an actual money run which is what I thought they would be after reading the chain of posts before you posted them, also I hate your manual links because I’m lazy.

kthxbye.

Why would I show a money run? He implied that I couldn’t make as much money, and I proved him wrong. It was all I wanted to do. You should get some reading comprehension, and maybe some decency and respect as well.

This is the internet, I’m not sure what decency and respect means.

Gab Superstar.4059:

Why would I show a money run? He implied that I couldn’t make as much money, and I proved him wrong. It was all I wanted to do. You should get some reading comprehension, and maybe some decency and respect as well.

Illiander.8049:

Kill spider (I would expect you to kill at least some of the trash here).
Skip Gravelings in traps.
Kill troll wherever.
Kill Kholer.

Illiander.8049:

If you can do all that in 30 mins, then my hat’s off to you. But I don’t think you can, and won’t believe you until you post a video.

I specifically asked for a full money run. I watched the first video until you skipped the spider then turned it off.

Also, learn to link.

The discussion went to AC as an example because everyone knows it. It gives a base that anyone can talk about with actual knowledge. We could just as easily talk about CoF, or any specific fractal, but I figured more people would know AC.

Also, no-one’s countered this yet:

To everyone who wants to skip in PuGs:

• If you’re good enough to skip, then killing the mobs will take barely any time at all and guarantee that the run succeeds regardless of the quality of the other players.
• If you’re not good enough to skip, then why are you trying?

If you don’t play with PuGs, then you don’t effect me and I don’t care what you do in your own private group, and neither does anyone else.

That’s pretty easy: Illiander

1) Because people are tired of killing the same boring kitten downy-AI trash mobs.
Because the RNG from trash mobs doesn’t bridge the amount of time saved, no matter if it’s 5 seconds.
Because no one needs a better reason than they simply don’t want to, which may point back to boring / low reward.

2) I’m not sure how to respond to this as I wasn’t aware skipping required more than the occasional dodge/speed buff and knowledge of path layout. Neither of which necessarily correlate to being “good”.

Gab Superstar.4059:

Strifey.7215:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Strifey.7215:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Strifey.7215:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Strifey.7215:

Gab Superstar.4059:

As requested;

/watch?v=s4C41YeuGlY

/watch?v=GTOSOAXCr38

/watch?v=Ee6rKGlMUBU

He said with killing Spider Queen and Kohler/Troll.

Those are normal times if you skip those bosses and miss out on the 42 silver and chest. I just watched your path 1 video and the correct way is to have 1 person drag the troll and kohler together to fight each other while the other 4 start the burrow event. Then you get a total of 28 silver and one chest for an extra 30 seconds worth of time.

Everyone knows you can do sub 10 minute runs by skipping them.

CoF is the best moneyrun anyways.

Would killing Kohler be the “correct” way of doing it if you are not after the money?
Doing the runs exactly as in the video will provide you with more tokens and equal gold / hour, which was my point all along.

I guess it’s too hard for some people to keep themselves from sniping other people’s videos without even understanding why they were posted in the first place.

Actually it won’t, I speed run dungeons daily as you can see from my videos of every dungeon. Kohler and the troll fight each other while you do the event in every path and you come back and finish them on the way to the next event when they are at 10-20% health. You do not make more then 30s every minute speed running dungeons.

If you are running dungeons for money you should be doing CoF in the first place, and if you are running AC for money then the “correct” way is to make the troll and Kholer fight each other, not to fight them by themselves.

Sniping videos lol, maybe you should educate yourself and see who has all of the videos in the dungeon guide sticky or just click the link in my sig. I am well aware of how to speed run dungeons for money, much more then just AC.

And yet you talk about money… Go read the entire conversation, I never ever talked about doing dungeons for money. All I ever said was that you can do all three paths in 30min, he didn’t believe me, I showed him videos.

So far all your posts amount to nothing but bashing and boasting for no good reason.

I read the whole thread… it’s not that hard to follow.

You said it can be done in 30 min. which I agree. He said your 30 min. run is probably with all skipping which it is. Then he made a post describing his money run. Then you replied by posting a video which isn’t a money run.

I didn’t see anywhere where he doubted you could clear it in 30 min. with skipping.

Sigh… Let me summarize.

- I said I could do a 30min run by skipping.
- He said I didn’t make as much money as he would make.
- I described why I could make as much money.
- He then said;
“If you can do all that in 30 mins, then my hat’s off to you. But I don’t think you can, and won’t believe you until you post a video.” Which would imply I couldn’t make as much money as him.
- I showed him proof that you can run all paths in under 30min, while earning as much money as him.
- You enter the thread and bash.

If you’re talking about more money in 30 minutes then his 1hr 30 min run you are correct, because 1hr 30 min is a terrible time.

My point is your videos don’t show a 30 minute money run and don’t make more money then the typical 10 minute Path 1, and 12 minute Path 2 and 3 money runs which involve killing both Kholer and the Cave Troll for an additional 28s + chest per each run.

But yes, you do a 30 min AC speed clear, grats. I was disappointed that they weren’t an actual money run which is what I thought they would be after reading the chain of posts before you posted them, also I hate your manual links because I’m lazy.

kthxbye.

Why would I show a money run? He implied that I couldn’t make as much money, and I proved him wrong. It was all I wanted to do. You should get some reading comprehension, and maybe some decency and respect as well.

If I remember the posts, the dude said you can’t do a full money run in 30 min. But whatever.

I can’t believe you actually think it’s more profitable to skip money mobs. How long does it take to kill a money graveling? Like 30 seconds to a minute maybe.

How long does it take to kill Kholer? Like 2-3 minutes.

Sure if somehow killing those triples the time then you’d be right, but in no way imaginable does it actually work that way. They just don’t take that long to kill.

evo.8640:

That’s pretty easy: Illiander

1) Because people are tired of killing the same boring kitten downy-AI trash mobs.
Because the RNG from trash mobs doesn’t bridge the amount of time saved, no matter if it’s 5 seconds.
Because no one needs a better reason than they simply don’t want to, which may point back to boring / low reward.

2) I’m not sure how to respond to this as I wasn’t aware skipping required more than the occasional dodge/speed buff and knowledge of path layout. Neither of which necessarily correlate to being “good”.

If every PuG group you’ve run with knows how to skip all the mobs in a dungeon, then you’ve been very, very lucky. Most PuGs I run with seem to die on the spider queen. Lots.

When you’re working with people who can’t stay alive against one of the easier bosses in the game, you have to assume they know nothing and clear the route from the waypoints, because they will die, and then they won’t be able to get back. Otherwise you’re probably going to be soloing some of the hard sections.

And for the record, my regular group do that anyway, as we find it less effort to clear the mobs than to skip them. We find that the dungeons bug less if you do that.

Illiander.8049:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Why would I show a money run? He implied that I couldn’t make as much money, and I proved him wrong. It was all I wanted to do. You should get some reading comprehension, and maybe some decency and respect as well.

Illiander.8049:

Kill spider (I would expect you to kill at least some of the trash here).
Skip Gravelings in traps.
Kill troll wherever.
Kill Kholer.

Illiander.8049:

If you can do all that in 30 mins, then my hat’s off to you. But I don’t think you can, and won’t believe you until you post a video.

I specifically asked for a full money run. I watched the first video until you skipped the spider then turned it off.

Also, learn to link.

The discussion went to AC as an example because everyone knows it. It gives a base that anyone can talk about with actual knowledge. We could just as easily talk about CoF, or any specific fractal, but I figured more people would know AC.

Why would you ask for a full money run? It has no relevance to the discussion and I never claimed I could do one in 30 min.

I said I could make just as much money / hour by running the paths in 30min, something my videos proves.

Gab Superstar.4059:

Illiander.8049:

Gab Superstar.4059:

Why would I show a money run? He implied that I couldn’t make as much money, and I proved him wrong. It was all I wanted to do. You should get some reading comprehension, and maybe some decency and respect as well.

Illiander.8049:

Kill spider (I would expect you to kill at least some of the trash here).
Skip Gravelings in traps.
Kill troll wherever.
Kill Kholer.

Illiander.8049:

If you can do all that in 30 mins, then my hat’s off to you. But I don’t think you can, and won’t believe you until you post a video.

I specifically asked for a full money run. I watched the first video until you skipped the spider then turned it off.

Also, learn to link.

The discussion went to AC as an example because everyone knows it. It gives a base that anyone can talk about with actual knowledge. We could just as easily talk about CoF, or any specific fractal, but I figured more people would know AC.

Why would you ask for a full money run? It has no relevance to the discussion and I never claimed I could do one in 30 min.

I said I could make just as much money / hour by running the paths in 30min, something my videos proves.

Fast money runs are more likely to happen with private groups. But I agree with the OP; more pugs need to consider the abilities of their party members. If they do not have the capacity to skip either

1) Assess that from the beginning, and kick them
or
2) Help them by clearing mobs

Believe it or not, dungeon maps aren’t the most friendly on your first few tries. It takes a bit to map out for some so leaving members in the dust will cause a lot of confusion; and most likely, pugs newbies aren’t gonna say “Guys? I don’t know whwere I’m going” They’ll probably get lost or die along the way and then it’s a setback for the whole group

Work as a team. Pugs aren’t npcs who will follow you wherever you go.

Illiander.8049:

evo.8640:

That’s pretty easy: Illiander

1) Because people are tired of killing the same boring kitten downy-AI trash mobs.
Because the RNG from trash mobs doesn’t bridge the amount of time saved, no matter if it’s 5 seconds.
Because no one needs a better reason than they simply don’t want to, which may point back to boring / low reward.

2) I’m not sure how to respond to this as I wasn’t aware skipping required more than the occasional dodge/speed buff and knowledge of path layout. Neither of which necessarily correlate to being “good”.

If every PuG group you’ve run with knows how to skip all the mobs in a dungeon, then you’ve been very, very lucky. Most PuGs I run with seem to die on the spider queen. Lots.

When you’re working with people who can’t stay alive against one of the easier bosses in the game, you have to assume they know nothing and clear the route from the waypoints, because they will die, and then they won’t be able to get back. Otherwise you’re probably going to be soloing some of the hard sections.

And for the record, my regular group do that anyway, as we find it less effort to clear the mobs than to skip them. We find that the dungeons bug less if you do that.

I didn’t necessarily think the first point was unreasonable, the second was just worded differently, but after your reply I can see why you’d ask that. What server are you on?

I guess I’ve been lucky with pugs. A lot have known the routes of skipping and those who didn’t weren’t against learning. Who surprisingly weren’t aloof, paid attention, and stuck in the pack. I’ve managed to dodge, be it luck or fate, from having partied with those who had trouble with skips.

Only rarely have I come across the boy-scout who’d refuse and leave the party, who either knew how to skip or didn’t.

….money…run?
Well, that just added a whole new level of confusing.

In GW1, was running a dungeon and farming the same activity?

Because a dude solo’ing Lupicus and putting it up on the forum for accolade makes a whole lot of sense to me. But people cheesing bosses and skipping whole dungeons and talking about it so unabashedly in front of their peers is alien and bizarre. But at least I can kind of understand where it’s coming from if it springs from a culture where farming and dungeon running were one-in-the-same.

And, if dungeons were basically just farms nobody cared about, what the heck did GW1 PvE people do for prestige?

Vox Hollow.2736:

….money…run?
Well, that just added a whole new level of confusing.

In GW1, was running a dungeon and farming the same activity?

Because a dude solo’ing Lupicus and putting it up on the forum for accolade makes a whole lot of sense to me. But people cheesing bosses and skipping whole dungeons and talking about it so unabashedly in front of their peers is alien and bizarre. But at least I can kind of understand where it’s coming from if it springs from a culture where farming and dungeon running were one-in-the-same.

And, if dungeons were basically just farms nobody cared about, what the heck did GW1 PvE people do for prestige?

Uh…this is a gw2 forum lol. Try to talk about this in terms of a new game, not an expansion of an older game than people may not have played—-cause I have no idea what you are talking about.

I’ve asked about skipping on the forum before.

Because the first time I saw somebody do it I was thoroughly baffled by what the whiskey tango foxtrot people were doing. Somebody eventually came along and gave me the history of it; the skipping practice basically comes from GW1 players trying to make their hours-long dungeons more manageable and it’s something they unconsciously carried over into the much-less-time-demanding sequel. (and on some level it’s a practice being catered to in level design)

So a conversation about the skipping culture, is basically just a conversation about GW1’s culture. So I think it’s relevant to ask a question about the first game in order to better understand what the players in this game are thinking.

Vox Hollow.2736:

I’ve asked about skipping on the forum before.

Because the first time I saw somebody do it I was thoroughly baffled by what the whiskey tango foxtrot people were doing. Somebody eventually came along and gave me the history of it; the skipping practice basically comes from GW1 players trying to make their hours-long dungeons more manageable and it’s something they unconsciously carried over into the much-less-time-demanding sequel. (and on some level it’s a practice being catered to in level design)

So a conversation about the skipping culture, is basically just a conversation about GW1’s culture. So I think it’s relevant to ask a question about the first game in order to better understand what the players in this game are thinking.

Ah, well I did not know that. I think skipping is like a virus though. But I can see how the root of it could have come from Gw1—I just needed an explanation lol (and thanks for that!).

Vox Hollow.2736:

I’ve asked about skipping on the forum before.

Because the first time I saw somebody do it I was thoroughly baffled by what the whiskey tango foxtrot people were doing. Somebody eventually came along and gave me the history of it; the skipping practice basically comes from GW1 players trying to make their hours-long dungeons more manageable and it’s something they unconsciously carried over into the much-less-time-demanding sequel. (and on some level it’s a practice being catered to in level design)

So a conversation about the skipping culture, is basically just a conversation about GW1’s culture. So I think it’s relevant to ask a question about the first game in order to better understand what the players in this game are thinking.

Skipping is a human nature mentality and completely goes beyond the scopes of MMO gaming. Would you rather walk to work or drive to work? (more than 10miles away). Would you walk around the side street or jay walk? Its all about shortcuts and doing things faster. Some are frowned upon, others are more accepted.

Look, you don’t have to justify yourself to me, Heliox.

I’m not here to judge, I’m here to understand my fellow dungoneer’s inner workings well enough so that my efforts to communicate are more successful.

Vox Hollow.2736:

Look, you don’t have to justify yourself to me, Heliox.

I’m not here to judge, I’m here to understand my fellow dungoneer’s inner workings well enough so that my efforts to communicate are more successful.

Its not so much justifying myself, more so saying that it goes beyond “gw1 culture” and is more hardwired into human nature.