Guild Wars 2

@zappix

Not sure about you but i for one, don’t find full zerkers/5signets gimmicky. I find it just… Bad. Lol.

I agree anyone can play whatever they want in a pug game. It is their right after all. If i wanted to, i could run around without armor and /dancing all the time. Because i can. But just because i can, does that mean i should? We all have the option to be a richard, but most of the time we make the choice not to.

Like for example, in a neighborhood casual basketball game, i can just fling the ball anywhere i want if i want to. I can foul my own teammates. I can walk off the court for a drink midway through a play. I could have immense fun doing it as well.

But why would i?

I understand that for the rest of the players, the objective is to win and have fun. If i choose to participate in a team effort, i think it’s only fair that i perform as a teammate. Not goof around or sabotage the others because i can.

That’s just having an entitled diva attitude. Since you have not made an issue about the graphic lag elementalists produce, you obviously know where i am coming from.

@eldoria

Hear hear!
They make me a little embarrassed to main a guardian. I’ve seen my share of guardians with abysmal health pools as well.
I’m sorry but having high armor isn’t going to do anything for you in TA. Haha!
Met two 11k life thieved in a pug arah run the other day as well. Lupi would literally look at them and they would fall on rears and stick their hands in the air like they were freddie mercury.

I kept messing up my own dodges as well cos i was giggling that hard. It crossed the line of frustration to absurd.

But that’s for a different topic. This one is getting derailed :/

I run more of a support built warrior with high toughness and vitality while retaining a decent damage output.

Signet warriors still have room in my dungeon groups, you just have to be able to keep them alive. If the warrior in question doesn’t know how to play dungeons though it’s a tall task. DPS is not faceplanting every other second.

If you’re not the greatest player in the world it’s probably a good idea to invest into toughness/vitality a bit to retain some room for error.

since my warrior traited for Vigorous Return and Sweet Revenge, Orr is a walkthrough.

5 signets, hammer/rifle build.

(bits and pieces armour: orange-yellow-green-blue 70s, weapons: yellow 80s)

tried to get as many power/vitality/toughness items as possible.

Zerker good. Signets, not so much (Rage and Stamina fine).

alcedonia.7831:

Cant seem to edit my post on my iphone if a mod would help merge this with my previous one so i wont double post, that would be massively appreciated.

@condas

Being the last man standing is kinda a dubious honor for most big boss fights considering the way most bosses hate are based on either highest damage or highest life total. So being the last one alive most of the time means you are doing the least amount of damage, or are the most glassy.

Like for example lupi will always chase the guy with the highest life. He will rotate hate once in a while, but generally will keep sticking to one guy for the entire second phase. Or at least until the guy goes down. Then he’ll move on to the guy with the next highest hp.

I am rarely if ever NOT the bosses primary target for the duration of the fight. When I am not, the target never reaches the target due to my spam of immobilize/snares and knockdowns once I peel defiant off. Keep in mind my build keeps 100% uptime on fury and a fat stack of might to got with it. It is a beefy control/support/tank build. I also have an easier time getting players up under pressure when I have to due my high regen and defense.

Most of the time my other players die to AoE attacks or other mechanics. Being the bosses focus usually isn’t dangerous anyways as their auto attacks are normally weak.

warrios… most boring class in the game by far

I use 5sigs
Hammer (knight stats)
Rifle (zerk stats)
Knight’s/Valkyrie Drac armor mix (6 Beryl Orbs)
Emerald/Knight, Beryl/Valk, and Ruby/Zerk trinket combo

20 in Strength
25 in Arms
25 in Defense

I have no problems at all in pugs, dungeons or fracs

norsalba.3914:

I use 5sigs
Hammer (knight stats)
Rifle (zerk stats)
Knight’s/Valkyrie Drac armor mix (6 Beryl Orbs)
Emerald/Knight, Beryl/Valk, and Ruby/Zerk trinket combo

20 in Strength
25 in Arms
25 in Defense

I have no problems at all in pugs, dungeons or fracs

5 signets can work. People that worry about it should spend more time worrying about bad players.

What we really need is DPS meters, that way the warrior can prove that he is the most valuable member of the team.

I can’t comprehend how any warrior can go into a dungeon without “shake it off”. Its easily my most used utility, while still having the signit that removes all conditions equipped as well. Having a stun-breaker is HUGE for dungeon survival.

@sky

Whatever gave you the idea that having the highest damage dealt makes you the most valuable player in a group?

Not to mention in boss fights where it counts, warrior damage is easily outclassed by chars like necs. While the nec is still maintaining high ehp and utility.

Being over enamoured by damage numbers is the reason why most warriors are terrible. A good guardian can keep you alive with well timed aegis and heals though. But then again, that means the MVP of the team isn’t you. It’s the guardian.

Wait, if the mobs in Arah have bigger nuts, wouldn’t they be easier to hit?

That is true haha. Obviously i didn’t think that through.

I think the reason we see so many DPS face-plant builds is due to the misconception of how this game works as compared to other mmo’s. In a typical mmo DPS face plant builds work as you have a healer to support them in the case you cannot quickly drop your foe, but as there is no sole healer in gw2 a DPS build most be self reliant to an extent.

The other big misconception is that in most mmo’s you do not actively dodge like in GW2. If you think you will do fine in any of the dungeons without dodging or making any attempt to avoid attacks, you are sadly mistaken.

So in summary:
I have seen many five signet warriors that may have done better if they didn’t stay in god knows how many red circles, without dodging, while wailing away at the main boss for the 2 seconds they were alive, and then raging to the group as to why we weren’t helping them.

I actually had a 5 signet zerker warrior in another pug arah run last night (unfortunately i have to pug most of my arah runs cos my guild is just… Underwhelming)
He died at the lupicus fight, like three times. That’s dying. Not going down and throwing stones. He actually died. Three times.
Even though my friend’s nec had 100% of lupi’s aggro during phase 2.
He never made an effort to dodge the red circles.
Maybe he thought they were buffs or something.

After his second death he started raging that as a guardian, i need to aegis him more. Oh i’m sorry. I only have two team aegis skills: retreat and my virtue. And i spam them a lot to keep the nec alive so that the rest of us can focus on pew pewing.

I’m sorry i can’t aegis when you aegis when you need me to because you can’t figure out how to press a key to dodge.

facepalm

The run was brutal. Everyone did what they were supposed to do other than him. The lupi fight was just like pulling teeth. The nec successfully kited lupi for 20 minutes straight. That should be 20 minutes of pure pew pew from the rest of us, right?

Wrong.

We spent more than half the time resing the warrior. And when he died, he refused to wp back and run (mainly i think because he can’t get past the mobs by himself since he’s paper and has no swiftness, stability or stun breaks)

Didn’t help that he either kept lagging behind and dying when we ran past mobs, or ran forward alone and died as well.

One path 3 run took more than an hour, of which more than 30 minutes was spent resing him, or waiting for him, or going back to help him run past mobs because he was just incapable of doing it.

When the run ended, he left party without even a ‘ty’.

I understand wanting to play the way you want to play, but that is just being entitled, rude and an exercise in frustration for everybody.

Stupid warriors! (ok i don’t really mean that haha)

Many lols were had in this thread. I actually made a similar thread to this about 1 month into the game.

Yeah, 5 Singet Warriors are to GW2 what Retribution Paladins were to WoW.

The build for “olololol-watch how awesome my crits are ….rezz plz” kids.

this thread…

It’s like, tiny bit of faith in playerbase restored…

If you keep this up alcedonia I’ll actually want to log in! you fiend!

Hellkaiser.6025:

this thread…

It’s like, tiny bit of faith in playerbase restored…

If you keep this up alcedonia I’ll actually want to log in! you fiend!

=D

go log in! play a full zerker/5 signet/gs only warrior and be a ’"rockstar"!

you’ll be gw2’s unofficial mascot!

Oh I couldn’t possibly handle such raw power, I mean “lololl33tgangztaboy1990” told me that I died so much as a sig war because I just wasn’t skilled enough to do play it

Varonth.5830:

5 signet warriors are the W/Mo of GW2.

LOL this is absolutely true.

I feel your pain about warriors and guardians. My fiance did a dungeon run with a max level warrior about a week ago and said that the guy didn’t use ANY of his attacks or utility skills. He used 100 blades every now and then between this auto, and that’s it. He also had the warrior mentality of running into everything and aggroing a whole bunch of things.

But as a guardian that painstakingly built herself to be as useful/supportive to a party situation as possible, it pains me more when people play guardians in that way. A friend of mine from university insists on attempting to make a DPS guardian, ignoring everything defense/support related. Sigh.

I run a signet warrior (used to be 5 but I changed the healing sig to a skill thats a better heal) and I find as a warrior, everyone expects you to tank the mob … does not work, even with my toughness build that mob in CoF where you do have to waypoint zerg, I’m dead in a few seconds.

I run a signet build because I was told early in my GW2 life that the signet build is the best all round setup, and you dont have to worry about mashing keys as much. It is a good build for those of use who dont have the reflexes of a 15yo hyped up on energy drinks.

And yes I run with a greatsword, with a rifle weapon swap for ranged combat.

i don’t think anyone expects much from warriors at the cof wp zerg part.

as far as i can tell with my own ingame experience, 99% of the people don’t expect anything from the rest of the party other than these 2 things:

1. deal some damage
2. stay alive (which in the higher difficulty dungeons means you need to pack your own suvival utility spells, be it endure pain, shake it off, or whatever)

the thing is, you don’t need to ‘have the reflexes of a 15yo hyped up on energy drinks’ to use more than signets. when you get cc-ed you just need to hit 1 key to shout it off. and with soldier runes, what that one shout does is stun break and remove 2 conditions.

and you can do it ON DEMAND. you don’t have to rely on anyone else to do it for you. when you need it, you use it.

it’s barely any additional effort and it goes a long way. there are only 4 other people in your party excluding yourself. if you get cc-ed and go down cos you didn’t have a stun break/condition removal, it means someone has to drop what he is doing and res you.

that leaves the party with 3. the party’s effectiveness just got halved because you didn’t think you were capable of managing 2 keys instead of 1.

and if people blow their aegis/team heals/stability/condition removal just so you can stay alive, that’s one less spell that could have been used more effectively.

How about this. Instead of everyone knocking signet builds (which are ment to be an all round build), how about offer a full all round build so those of us who only know of the signet builds can be better informed, especially those of us who have trouble working out builds.

For instance, atm I’m running all power/prec/toughness (armor + jewels) + runes of the pack, with signets except healing, and traited for signets. I dont want to retrait just for dungeons so any build that is offered has to be an all round build, good for everything from open world pve, karma farming, to WvW.

There is your challenge, now educate us. And please, do not include that elite banner that does almost nothing in WvW.

wildcode.5403:

How about this. Instead of everyone knocking signet builds (which are ment to be an all round build), how about offer a full all round build so those of us who only know of the signet builds can be better informed, especially those of us who have trouble working out builds.

For instance, atm I’m running all power/prec/toughness (armor + jewels) + runes of the pack, with signets except healing, and traited for signets. I dont want to retrait just for dungeons so any build that is offered has to be an all round build, good for everything from open world pve, karma farming, to WvW.

There is your challenge, now educate us. And please, do not include that elite banner that does almost nothing in WvW.

The warriors forum has enough threads with builds who actually benefit your group.
Its not a challenge that you pose but the inabillity to switch to the adequate class forum and open threads there. Here is one for you, look for Yojacks build there. That is a build that actually helps the group as a whole in all the situations you mentioned. But its a shout build so it requires a way more active play than signets warrior usually need to perform.

edit Also if you consider a 5sig build valid for WvW… (not just hiding somewhere in the zerg)

goldi.3129:

The warriors forum has enough threads with builds who actually benefit your group.
Its not a challenge that you pose but the inabillity to switch to the adequate class forum and open threads there. Here is one for you, look for Yojacks build there. That is a build that actually helps the group as a whole in all the situations you mentioned. But its a shout build so it requires a way more active play than signets warrior usually need to perform.

edit Also if you consider a 5sig build valid for WvW… (not just hiding somewhere in the zerg)

And there is the problem, the build is designed to work as part of a group, which does not translate well when you have to go solo against a mob. Signet build with greatsword puts out alot of DPS in a semi AoE way (damage is increased because of the signets, if you traited for it). Plus the build you suggested got nerfed and no updates have been made to it since the nerf.

wildcode.5403:

How about this. Instead of everyone knocking signet builds (which are ment to be an all round build), how about offer a full all round build so those of us who only know of the signet builds can be better informed, especially those of us who have trouble working out builds.

For instance, atm I’m running all power/prec/toughness (armor + jewels) + runes of the pack, with signets except healing, and traited for signets. I dont want to retrait just for dungeons so any build that is offered has to be an all round build, good for everything from open world pve, karma farming, to WvW.

There is your challenge, now educate us. And please, do not include that elite banner that does almost nothing in WvW.

shake it off
for great justice
6x soldier runes
endure pain or whatever utility you think is best for your playstyle.

that’s it.
the only thing the signet build offers is precision. which is equivalent to about 10% crit chance at lvl 80. no point sacrificing all your utility for 10% crit chance. it increases overall party dps by negligible amounts.

it’s quite elementary, really.

wildcode.5403:

And there is the problem, the build is designed to work as part of a group, which does not translate well when you have to go solo against a mob.

when do you need to go solo against mobs? only when you’re in the open world. and the mobs in the open world are so easy, you don’t need to trait or gear for it.

signet warriors are not ‘designed’ to work in a group. they’re designed for the absolute easiest gameplay possible. the 5 signet build lacks EVERYTHING. you contribute fair dps with signets, but you would contribute more with shouts. you have to rely on everyone else for heals and anti-cc like stability or actual condition removal. it is the actual opposite of a team-friendly build.

i don’t know what gave you the idea that it was actually designed with the team in mind.

honestly, you must have done some pretty serious mental gymnastics to arrive at that conclusion.

wildcode.5403:

goldi.3129:

The warriors forum has enough threads with builds who actually benefit your group.
Its not a challenge that you pose but the inabillity to switch to the adequate class forum and open threads there. Here is one for you, look for Yojacks build there. That is a build that actually helps the group as a whole in all the situations you mentioned. But its a shout build so it requires a way more active play than signets warrior usually need to perform.

edit Also if you consider a 5sig build valid for WvW… (not just hiding somewhere in the zerg)

And there is the problem, the build is designed to work as part of a group, which does not translate well when you have to go solo against a mob. Signet build with greatsword puts out alot of DPS in a semi AoE way (damage is increased because of the signets, if you traited for it). Plus the build you suggested got nerfed and no updates have been made to it since the nerf.

Again, what do you bring to the group beside DPS with a signet build? You are not even selfsufficient in regards of reliable condition removing and stun/cc breaking and you bring no group buffs into the fray.

The build is not being a part of a group but completely relying on the support of a group. The only thing it brings to the table is that its very easy to play.

Also the Yojack build works perfectly still- the nerf (if you want to call it that way) is only the affecting of 5 targets at once with shoutheals and wh buffs.

If I have the choice of a warrior with signets and one with shouts (or even banners) the choice is already made.

edit the poster before posted almost the same at the same time

yeah i used to 5 sig/berserk myself, and it’s great solo but you feel so useless in a party.
I’m mostly shouts now and i can pretty much upkeep constant might and fury on the party as well as remove conditions with sup. soldier runes. and i still do decent damage.

The population consist of 80% warriors, 10% guardians, and 10% the other classes. It is absolutely normal to see a lot of 5 signet warriors.

as a warrior i find it comical how people try to imply its an easy class while theirs is ooooooooh so hard. ive got other lvl 80 toons and they are far from difficult. I prefer the warrior personally cos of the weapon options, the armour looks cool and just staright up feels more fluid. But I will admit to be liking my pistols wielding theif as i level her up.

As my heal I always use the condition removal heal (forgive me for not remembering each abilities name). I use 2 signets. Stamina cos the fast regen so i can dodge more as a melee is just AWESOME. And Elite Signet cos lets face it, the others are crap.

Cant live without my bullrush and 3 secs of immunity to damage. Love that for when ya need to fast rez someone in a bad spot.

And dont forget alot of those 5 sig warriors wont be the type that visit forums or take the game so serious.

I run a 5 signet warrior who uses sword/axe and rifle. Axe is fitted with explodies and rifle with bleedies to go with my traited bleed-on-crit (bloody bosses ftw!). Basically, in melee I’m an AoE machine, and at range (ie bosses) I stack bleeds.

Thing is, I also have 20 points in defense which means in addition to my signet regen, I also have adrenal regen and a bit more toughness.

So nope, I don’t go splat. Add in the fact I know how to play, and I’ll put my 5 signet warriors survivability up against anything short of true bunker builds with the advantage that I can still actually kills all teh stuffs.

Xavori.3768:

I run a 5 signet warrior who uses sword/axe and rifle. Axe is fitted with explodies and rifle with bleedies to go with my traited bleed-on-crit (bloody bosses ftw!). Basically, in melee I’m an AoE machine, and at range (ie bosses) I stack bleeds.

Thing is, I also have 20 points in defense which means in addition to my signet regen, I also have adrenal regen and a bit more toughness.

So nope, I don’t go splat. Add in the fact I know how to play, and I’ll put my 5 signet warriors survivability up against anything short of true bunker builds with the advantage that I can still actually kills all teh stuffs.

but whatever you can do with a 5 sig warrior, you can do better with a non 5 sig warrior.

i’m not saying 5 sig = omg dead weight, our dungeon run is scrooooood.

it’s the combination of 5 sig with full zerkers and greatsword that is a trainwreck. and that is the build new players walk away with when they look for a straightforward class which is easy to play and deals good damage.

the only warriors i see who can play 5 signet decently (not even well, just decently) are those that have mains of other classes. like mesmers or rangers etc. and i swear they only play their warriors when they’re taking a break from their mains. because no one really expects much from a 5 signet warrior. no stress, no pressure. it’s like freerolling in a casino.

personally, i’ve only ever met ONE 5 signet warrior who could hold his own in arah. that in no way means that 5 signet is a viable arah build. he was definitely an exception, not the norm.

ok, so I went with a shout build, 1st thing I tried was hundred blades since this is our main damage dealer against mobs, half the damage than my signet build … final blow only got up to 5k where with signet build you see numbers beyond 10k … #1 skill does less damage … sure I have more health, but with all the conditions that get stacked on, using mending + shake it off + trait to remove conditions on heal still left me bleeding and crippled … so yeah, less damage and still could not remove conditions.

Note also: because I am not killing mobs as fast, I am dieing alot more often with the shout build than I did with the signet build.

wildcode.5403:

ok, so I went with a shout build, 1st thing I tried was hundred blades since this is our main damage dealer against mobs, half the damage than my signet build … final blow only got up to 5k where with signet build you see numbers beyond 10k … #1 skill does less damage … sure I have more health, but with all the conditions that get stacked on, using mending + shake it off + trait to remove conditions on heal still left me bleeding and crippled … so yeah, less damage and still could not remove conditions.

Note also: because I am not killing mobs as fast, I am dieing alot more often with the shout build than I did with the signet build.

what? you do not make sense, i’m sorry.

there is no way you are losing half your damage by removing signets. because fgj already covers them.

and you do not get more health by not using signets. how are you getting more health? did you change your gear and neglect to tell us? if you trait properly, you actually do not lose health even with gear change. because all your extra health comes from traits and soldier runes.

where are you getting all your conditions stacked on? traited shake it off with soldier rune removes 2 conditions every 20 seconds. for you to still die from conditions means you’re fighting mobs that apply at least 4 conditions every 20 seconds. what mob are you fighting??? the only mob that can do something like that off the top of my head is the necromancer in AC. or TA, in general, which is condition and cc madness. if you don’t see an increase in survivability, it is either against something like when your team makes a bad engagement against TA’s knight swarms, or you’re not dodging big telegraphed attacks that will 1-2shot you anyway.

the increased utility gives you more chances to screw up and survive, it doesn’t make you a tank. from what you describe, it seems as if you are walking up to tough mobs and relying on your utility to tank them. it doesn’t work that way.

facepalmed when I read wildcodes post as it’s just a typical response, I’ll translate it best I can for those unfamiliar with this

“I did less big numbers with hundred blades, meaning I may have had to use it more than once, instantly making this a fail skill. less numberz on final blow again meaning that I disliked it, now I’m pointing out that all my damage is less and things don’t die as fast meaning they have more time to damage me, this alludes to me only doing solo content in the overworld or DE’s or potentially spvp/wvw

I will continue to refute anything but 5 signets zerk build because A: It does bigger numbererz and B: because my flawed logic is based on the assumption that I’m constantly solo and never in a dungeon where mobs will rip me a new bunghole long before my 100b combo can kill them"

“The sky is blue, ricky martin is gay, and the warrior is on his back”

That’s how I see it, and that’s how many see it. I don’t blame you building a warrior this way, I don’t hate you for it, but your single minded pig headedness causes other players grief if you focus for it to the point where you use 2-3 skills alone and don’t adapt to fit the situations.

5sig warriors are capable of doing stuff, I’m sure of it… but they excel at being solo, if you’re going into group content with me, then ignoring the fact your shouts or banners are 5 times more powerful in dungeon content is just ridiculous. And defending that is pointless as you know for a fact YOU ARE WRONG.

And yes, he ignored gear, runes etc and probably didn’t alter his play style to match and thought this new utility increase would mean he’d facetank stuff and die.

I wouldn’t go so far as to say that, hellkaiser. Wildcode put in the effort to try out an unfamiliar build. For that, already he’s not the pig headed guy you make him out to be
I’m just really interested in what caused his dps to get halved. Because it definitely isn’t caused by the loss of precision from running 5 signets. Unless he’s at a low level, where stats are low across the board. Then the precision bonus is huge. But if he’s putting out 10k numbers previously with 100b, he’s definitely lvl 80. Which is why i’m confused.

Wildcode, can you take screenshots of your character with your 5 sig build, and your shout build? It would be more helpful to us to see what went wrong.

I’m guilty of using signets, but I don’t use Greatswords. I’m trying out a build that gives precision and such when using a sword so I have good condition damage while getting some crits to increase normal damage. There is one trait that give +40 precision for each signet and another 10% chance when using a sword, so that with For Great Justice and/or On My Mark seems to be promising

alcedonia.7831:

I wouldn’t go so far as to say that, hellkaiser. Wildcode put in the effort to try out an unfamiliar build. For that, already he’s not the pig headed guy you make him out to be
I’m just really interested in what caused his dps to get halved. Because it definitely isn’t caused by the loss of precision from running 5 signets. Unless he’s at a low level, where stats are low across the board. Then the precision bonus is huge. But if he’s putting out 10k numbers previously with 100b, he’s definitely lvl 80. Which is why i’m confused.

Wildcode, can you take screenshots of your character with your 5 sig build, and your shout build? It would be more helpful to us to see what went wrong.

I’m only awake like, 20 minutes. Torn from my slumber by my cute yet annoying dog looking for a random wee at just shy of 4am.
My patience for the usual garbage claims is at an all time low, and what he claims was just that…. garbage. And the fact he exaggerated quite a bit, and offered up a somewhat sketchy set of mostly skewed viewpoint feedback all leads me to believe he’s talking out of his rectum.

i could literally convert his post to a pokémon speech and it would make more sense

“Damage! daah-maaage. Damagedamage da da. maaaage mage damage dadamagamage DAMAGEDAMAGE!”

alcedonia.7831:

Wildcode, can you take screenshots of your character with your 5 sig build, and your shout build? It would be more helpful to us to see what went wrong.

Pic #1: Shout build suggested by forums

Pic #2: Signet build I had been running ever since I was able to

Pic #3: Modified signet build for better healing (because I get alot of adren…)

@ Hellkaiser … I dont run berserker armor on my warrior, I run with toughness armor (pack runes) for dungeons and magic find (pirate runes) armor for open world, and swap out jewels for the same.

Hellkaiser.6025:

alcedonia.7831:

I wouldn’t go so far as to say that, hellkaiser. Wildcode put in the effort to try out an unfamiliar build. For that, already he’s not the pig headed guy you make him out to be
I’m just really interested in what caused his dps to get halved. Because it definitely isn’t caused by the loss of precision from running 5 signets. Unless he’s at a low level, where stats are low across the board. Then the precision bonus is huge. But if he’s putting out 10k numbers previously with 100b, he’s definitely lvl 80. Which is why i’m confused.

Wildcode, can you take screenshots of your character with your 5 sig build, and your shout build? It would be more helpful to us to see what went wrong.

I’m only awake like, 20 minutes. Torn from my slumber by my cute yet annoying dog looking for a random wee at just shy of 4am.
My patience for the usual garbage claims is at an all time low, and what he claims was just that…. garbage. And the fact he exaggerated quite a bit, and offered up a somewhat sketchy set of mostly skewed viewpoint feedback all leads me to believe he’s talking out of his rectum.

i could literally convert his post to a pokémon speech and it would make more sense

“Damage! daah-maaage. Damagedamage da da. maaaage mage damage dadamagamage DAMAGEDAMAGE!”

Though I can see what you are trying to say, you could have been a tad more polite. If you want people to listen to what you say, invoking rage/ranting is not the way to do it.

Back on topic, my main is a warrior and I would like to point out I run a hammer / rifle shout build. Though there is one place 5 sig full zerker warriors are nice, and that is in solo-farming open world Pve, not dungeons.

wildcode.5403:

alcedonia.7831:

Wildcode, can you take screenshots of your character with your 5 sig build, and your shout build? It would be more helpful to us to see what went wrong.

Pic #1: Shout build suggested by forums

Pic #2: Signet build I had been running ever since I was able to

Pic #3: Modified signet build for better healing (because I get alot of adren…)

@ Hellkaiser … I dont run berserker armor on my warrior, I run with toughness armor (pack runes) for dungeons and magic find (pirate runes) armor for open world, and swap out jewels for the same.

Not as familiar with the shout build suggested in this thread, but just from seeing your original build I can tell you your 5 sig warrior build looks much better than what we are complaining about. What would be wrong is if you were 30/30/10/0/0, and specced with full zerkers, but you are MUCH more balanced than that. However 2 things I would suggest is make sure you are very good at dodging(this tip applies to everyone and all builds), and possibly drop 1 or 2 signets. With 3-4 signets you still get a really good boost in precision and that also frees up 1-2 utility slots for stuff like for great justice, endure pain, shake it off etc. This will allow for much greater flexibility, and if you go with a shout like for great justice you are then helping your group much more.

Deus Fatorum.2473:

Hellkaiser.6025:

alcedonia.7831:

I wouldn’t go so far as to say that, hellkaiser. Wildcode put in the effort to try out an unfamiliar build. For that, already he’s not the pig headed guy you make him out to be
I’m just really interested in what caused his dps to get halved. Because it definitely isn’t caused by the loss of precision from running 5 signets. Unless he’s at a low level, where stats are low across the board. Then the precision bonus is huge. But if he’s putting out 10k numbers previously with 100b, he’s definitely lvl 80. Which is why i’m confused.

Wildcode, can you take screenshots of your character with your 5 sig build, and your shout build? It would be more helpful to us to see what went wrong.

I’m only awake like, 20 minutes. Torn from my slumber by my cute yet annoying dog looking for a random wee at just shy of 4am.
My patience for the usual garbage claims is at an all time low, and what he claims was just that…. garbage. And the fact he exaggerated quite a bit, and offered up a somewhat sketchy set of mostly skewed viewpoint feedback all leads me to believe he’s talking out of his rectum.

i could literally convert his post to a pokémon speech and it would make more sense

“Damage! daah-maaage. Damagedamage da da. maaaage mage damage dadamagamage DAMAGEDAMAGE!”

Though I can see what you are trying to say, you could have been a tad more polite. If you want people to listen to what you say, invoking rage/ranting is not the way to do it.

Back on topic, my main is a warrior and I would like to point out I run a hammer / rifle shout build. Though there is one place 5 sig full zerker warriors are nice, and that is in solo-farming open world Pve, not dungeons.

And I understand and respect that you see it that way, however and with no direct intent to de-rail this thread, I’ve had this conversation before with players, they either don’t answer because they know they’re in the wrong, go on the offensive and ad hominem you to bits, underplay the point of it and make you out your team orientated attitude to be a problem OR they’ll simply make up a big spiel which to them seems like a proper response but is rife with backwards rationalisation which brings me back wild’s post.

No, I don’t want to have to be so impolite, but I’m fully and painfully aware that some people will get it into their heads that no matter how you phrase it, or how gently you approach and try and coax them into realizing group dps > personal dps, they will not change their stance and belief that their dps is the only thing that matters to them, no matter how much it cripples their overall performance they will NEVER change their mind about that. All you can do is hopefully treat it with the same stubbornness it deserves and ignore it and when not possible simply call out where there’s severe rational flaws with it so others don’t get tempted into running “me, myself and I” builds and making dungeon runs even more abysmal.

And when I mean no matter how much sense you make, I mean it. It’s painfully predictable to be honest, and I’m still waiting to be surprised by someone changing their stance, because so far you get subjective rationalization such as “I don’t run dungeons and rarely DE’s so a group build is sub par” Which of course is totally logical and makes sense, but isn’t relevant to the point that a dungeon is no place for a selfish build. This of course like all plea’s falls on deaf ears.
So aside from the standard forum rules, I don’t have to be polite about it however I do try and keep some of it respectful, I’m just personally SICK TO THE TEETH of badly thought out responses to justify 5sig warrior builds of fail in dungeons.

Mob’s have too much hp, hit way too hard and just generally punish glasscannon builds even when you account for their weaknesses etc, like you said yourself, you’ve seen maybe 1 decent (not great) 5 sig GS warrior and he was the exception that proves the rule.

At the moment i use two sets
traits 10-0-30-30-0
my first set is a tanky dps one: knight armor and jewels with ruby orbs (until i get hold to 6 runes of the earth).
the second one is full cleric with 6 soldier runes because my guild mates tend to complain about the healing of my shouts and banner lol

Hellkaiser.6025:

alcedonia.7831:

I wouldn’t go so far as to say that, hellkaiser. Wildcode put in the effort to try out an unfamiliar build. For that, already he’s not the pig headed guy you make him out to be
I’m just really interested in what caused his dps to get halved. Because it definitely isn’t caused by the loss of precision from running 5 signets. Unless he’s at a low level, where stats are low across the board. Then the precision bonus is huge. But if he’s putting out 10k numbers previously with 100b, he’s definitely lvl 80. Which is why i’m confused.

Wildcode, can you take screenshots of your character with your 5 sig build, and your shout build? It would be more helpful to us to see what went wrong.

I’m only awake like, 20 minutes. Torn from my slumber by my cute yet annoying dog looking for a random wee at just shy of 4am.
My patience for the usual garbage claims is at an all time low, and what he claims was just that…. garbage. And the fact he exaggerated quite a bit, and offered up a somewhat sketchy set of mostly skewed viewpoint feedback all leads me to believe he’s talking out of his rectum.

i could literally convert his post to a pokémon speech and it would make more sense

“Damage! daah-maaage. Damagedamage da da. maaaage mage damage dadamagamage DAMAGEDAMAGE!”

I have to agree with that post- though its a bit hard put.

The only thing that was mentioned after he tested the shout build was his complains about damage nukmbers. Thus making it clear that all he thinks the warrior role in a group is is DPS. Yes with using a shout buld you are not a burst DD anymore- that should be as clear as anything.
The build suggested by the forums (the one I did aka Yojack build) doesn’t use GS. I wouldnÄ’t recommend a GS for a shouldbuild anyways.
GS implies going the way for burst damage, shouts imply going for a support build.

So if you want to do burst damage, have high survivability and decent group support…. well that build I’d like to see.

Long story short I have to somewhat agree with hell. Arguing on that level is pointless sorry wild, as you don’t seem to have understood what our complains about signet warriors are- clearly shown in your “my 1k blades does less damage” post.

edit just saw
" sure I have more health, but with all the conditions that get stacked on, using mending + shake it off + trait to remove conditions on heal still left me bleeding and crippled … so yeah, less damage and still could not remove conditions."

Wild… soldier runes add condition removing to a shout build. Sorry but shows again that you don’t understand how a shout build even works. (@Yojack build you furthermore have WH skills to convert conds to boons).

goldi.3129:

Hellkaiser.6025:

alcedonia.7831:

I wouldn’t go so far as to say that, hellkaiser. Wildcode put in the effort to try out an unfamiliar build. For that, already he’s not the pig headed guy you make him out to be
I’m just really interested in what caused his dps to get halved. Because it definitely isn’t caused by the loss of precision from running 5 signets. Unless he’s at a low level, where stats are low across the board. Then the precision bonus is huge. But if he’s putting out 10k numbers previously with 100b, he’s definitely lvl 80. Which is why i’m confused.

Wildcode, can you take screenshots of your character with your 5 sig build, and your shout build? It would be more helpful to us to see what went wrong.

I’m only awake like, 20 minutes. Torn from my slumber by my cute yet annoying dog looking for a random wee at just shy of 4am.
My patience for the usual garbage claims is at an all time low, and what he claims was just that…. garbage. And the fact he exaggerated quite a bit, and offered up a somewhat sketchy set of mostly skewed viewpoint feedback all leads me to believe he’s talking out of his rectum.

i could literally convert his post to a pokémon speech and it would make more sense

“Damage! daah-maaage. Damagedamage da da. maaaage mage damage dadamagamage DAMAGEDAMAGE!”

I have to agree with that post- though its a bit hard put.

The only thing that was mentioned after he tested the shout build was his complains about damage nukmbers. Thus making it clear that all he thinks the warrior role in a group is is DPS. Yes with using a shout buld you are not a burst DD anymore- that should be as clear as anything.
The build suggested by the forums (the one I did aka Yojack build) doesn’t use GS. I wouldnÄ’t recommend a GS for a shouldbuild anyways.
GS implies going the way for burst damage, shouts imply going for a support build.

So if you want to do burst damage, have high survivability and decent group support…. well that build I’d like to see.

Long story short I have to somewhat agree with hell. Arguing on that level is pointless sorry wild, as you don’t seem to have understood what our complains about signet warriors are- clearly shown in your “my 1k blades does less damage” post.

Well, it’s nice to see someone who can actually see past any unintentional apathy and get to the heart of the matter, I know at times it’s FAR from easy to agree with me, but I like to think that it’s because of my often infraction worthy rantings that are the main focus, and not the opposing arguments which have a complete lack of strength or rational thought to them outside of “moar numberz plox” or “I solo 24/7 kthxbai”

Do I have to be so rude or cutting?

No not really, but lets face it given the amount of responses in and out of game, how do you REALLY expect most die hard 5sig GS warriors are going to respond to this?

Oh, that’s right… we don’t have to speculate

nofo.8469:

Sounds like a bunch of jealous noobs that need soldier gear to stay alive in these piss easy dungeons to me.

Even if the warrior dies a few times in the fight, he does like triple your pathetic damage, doesn’t matter if you have 100% dps uptime at 1k dmg an attack.

Get carried more.

^ roflololololol

Rukia.4802:

Varonth.5830:

5 signet warriors are the W/Mo of GW2.

W/Mo got nothing on W/E hamstorm bro

Hamstorm and hamshower warriors rock that kitten

And the classic GvG guy we use to run was the 8 signet warrior mesmer – tanking you with interrupts all day long