Guild Wars 2

I’ll need to pay to be able to duel my boyfriend and then even if I buy an arena starter kit I’ll have to pay again if I want to duel him more than once, because the time on arena will run out? I’m a really sad panda now. Dueling should be free.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

For those worried about the cost of the Custom Arenas, if you read the IGN article carefully it states that the purchase is for month long blocks. Seems pretty reasonable to me. They also said that anyone can buy and add time to the arena, so the popular ones will most likely be funded by teams.

what if you wanted to use the arena for dueling? Buy it as one time only thing or ignore the feature with a mindset that you’ll never be able to duel?

killcannon.2576:

Giving scoops is fine. But there is no reason why the GW2 players should have to search for the info.

And they don’t have to. The patch isn’t here yet for another week, a sneak preview is in no way something you “have to search for” . If you patiently wait for patch day, and then read the notes, which will be on the forums, you’ll miss out on nothing.

I suspect a lot of guilds will set up a Custom Arena for their players. I know mine will be doing it. It’s really like any other service. My mumble isn’t free. We pay for webspace. And I’ll pay for a private place to try different strategies with each other and yes, duel if we want.

Geotherma.2395:

killcannon.2576:

marnick.4305:

killcannon.2576:

marnick.4305:

killcannon.2576:

Vayne.8563:

Parlourbeatflex.5970:

Weirdly it seems Anet dont like their own forum… Considering we have little to no information and i have just stumbled across a IGN article with some revealing info is makes me a sad to think that this place should be first and foremost when giving out information about the game and upcoming updates.

This has nothing to do with Anet liking their own forum. It has far more to do with Anet playing nice with certain sites. By giving the “scoop” to fan sites, they get people to visit those sites, perhaps even in exchange for commercial consideration, or ad space.

It’s good to keep the fan sites happy. The information was posted here on the forums anyway, right?

Giving scoops is fine. But there is no reason why the GW2 players should have to search for the info. The forums are one of the easiest ways the GW2 dev community has to communicate with it’s players, and there is no reason why the forum mods or community managers can not link pertinent sites and interviews in the News section of the forums.

Players ask why the devs don’t communicate more with the forums, and are told time and again that they don’t have the time to. But yet we see constant interviews, feeds, news stories appear on other sites that the devs have spent hours on. I’m not sure if anyone is asking for exclusivity for the forums, but keeping them in the loop isn’t too much to ask imo. Forgoing your official forums for face time on other sites does more to alienate people than it does to bring a community together.

That’s just nonsense. I’m sorry to break it to you but that’s not how business works. Every statement in your post is false.

That’s nice. Care to explain to me how it’s false? Or you want to just leave that statement out there on it’s own?

It’s pretty evident that the top guys in a company work more with potential customers than existing customers. That’s what customer support is for, and you’ll find those plenty on the boards. Almost every company in the world works on that principle.

The reason is fairly simple. Keeping an existing customer costs about 20% of what it takes to gain a new customer. While a single community manager like Gaile or Regina can keep a lot of active players happy, it takes the big guns to get new people to buy the game. That’s what Mike and Collin are for.

It’s just good business practices. Arena.net does it like that, because it works for almost every other company in the world. And even then, arena.net is an exception because Mike an Collin post on the boards too from time to time, that’s pretty unique.

Is that enough of an explanation for you?

Not once did I say they shouldn’t post or use other sites.
Not once did you say why they should not link news stories to this site.
I never said that any dev should spend their day answering the forums.
I did say that one of their reasons given that they don’t post is that they say “We are busy working on the game”, but obviously they do have time to answer player questions on other forums, just not this one.
It is not good practice in a mmo to ignore your player base to get new customers, mmorpgs sell by customer word of mouth more than other games genres “Hey, try this game it’s great” is greater than most reviews for most mmorpgs.

You stated everything I said was false, you did not back up that claim. So no, that’s not a good explanation.

I don’t think marnick was implying you said any of that. He has good points about business models, and the “cost to buy/earn a customer” is something companies do every year if not more often to understand their costs/efficiency. He was just making some good points, of which I entirely agree. No one is saying that there shouldn’t be links, just addressing the reason that perhaps there aren’t any in this situation.

And I agree with some of his topics. But if someone states that everything someone else said in a post is false, that someone needs to back that up instead of just making declarative statements.

Am I going to need to buy timeslots to run new dungeons when they’re released as well?

Excursion.9752:

Naus the Gobbo.5172:

We have to purchase a kit from the Gem Store in order to use custom arenas?

I’m not quite sure how I feel about this. I

It’s not giving unfair advantages in any way, but I think they are shooting themselves in the knee by not adding it as a free feature, since costumizable arenas in spectator mode could greatly boost GWII’s reputation.

I don’t even pvp but I agree with this ^

Me too i hate PvP but if i loved PvP i’d still not buy rental to use it, this seriously sounds like another can of worms ready to drop in a week..

Mirta.5029:

I’ll need to pay to be able to duel my boyfriend and then even if I buy an arena starter kit I’ll have to pay again if I want to duel him more than once, because the time on arena will run out? I’m a really sad panda now. Dueling should be free.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

For those worried about the cost of the Custom Arenas, if you read the IGN article carefully it states that the purchase is for month long blocks. Seems pretty reasonable to me. They also said that anyone can buy and add time to the arena, so the popular ones will most likely be funded by teams.

what if you wanted to use the arena for dueling? Buy it as one time only thing or ignore the feature with a mindset that you’ll never be able to duel?

Hmm that brings up an interesting question.

My initial response was that i’m sure guilds and PvP players will have dueling arenas set up that you can easily join. However I don’t know if a custom arena is a single instance thing or if you can have multiple matches going on using that custom arena.

If you can have 100 duels going on within a single custom arena then that is the easy solution. If you can only have 1 duel going on at a time in a custom arena then that would indeed be kind of lame.

Duke Blackrose.4981:

Calae.1738:

Journalists pay good money for information. Arenanet really needs the cash.

What makes you say that?

You can’t make proclamations about how the game is doomed because you’re not doing what I want you to do and also stand by the claim the game is actually succeeding.

killcannon.2576:

Giving scoops is fine. But there is no reason why the GW2 players should have to search for the info. The forums are one of the easiest ways the GW2 dev community has to communicate with it’s players, and there is no reason why the forum mods or community managers can not link pertinent sites and interviews in the News section of the forums.

Players ask why the devs don’t communicate more with the forums, and are told time and again that they don’t have the time to. But yet we see constant interviews, feeds, news stories appear on other sites that the devs have spent hours on. I’m not sure if anyone is asking for exclusivity for the forums, but keeping them in the loop isn’t too much to ask imo. Forgoing your official forums for face time on other sites does more to alienate people than it does to bring a community together.

The one thing that does disappoint me is that it seems that community management is rather lacking on the boards. Having devs pop in threads unannounced is pretty awesome, but it wouldn’t hurt to have dedicated CMs waving the pom-poms a little more. I checked the Announcements forum and there wasn’t even a link back to the IGN or Massively articles, I know other game communities where pretty much every favorable article got a link and its own post.

I mean, sure, there’s Twitter and Reddit, but it seems a little self-defeating not to use all the tools at your disposal.

Uruz Six.6594:

The one thing that does disappoint me is that it seems that community management is rather lacking on the boards. Having devs pop in threads unannounced is pretty awesome, but it wouldn’t hurt to have dedicated CMs waving the pom-poms a little more. I checked the Announcements forum and there wasn’t even a link back to the IGN or Massively articles, I know other game communities where pretty much every favorable article got a link and its own post.

I mean, sure, there’s Twitter and Reddit, but it seems a little self-defeating not to use all the tools at your disposal.

Most likely a 24 hour special for the fan sites. I’m sure it will be all over the official forums tomorrow

Interesting, I could see how guilds will use this for their recruitment pitches.

Any mention of what the rewards in the dungeon will be? Will this be ascended weapons? New armor set (still no cavalier stuff out there)? Ascended armor? More trinkets?

Karizee.8076:

Most likely a 24 hour special for the fan sites. I’m sure it will be all over the official forums tomorrow

True, but how much could it hurt to throw up an official post saying ‘hey, look at what our fan sites are saying’?

That said… QUAGGAN GUILD RUSH!

Uruz Six.6594:

Karizee.8076:

Most likely a 24 hour special for the fan sites. I’m sure it will be all over the official forums tomorrow

True, but how much could it hurt to throw up an official post saying ‘hey, look at what our fan sites are saying’?

Not only that, but wouldn’t the fan sites benefit from the increased traffic of having forum goers pointed at their website?

Uruz Six.6594:

Karizee.8076:

Most likely a 24 hour special for the fan sites. I’m sure it will be all over the official forums tomorrow

True, but how much could it hurt to throw up an official post saying ‘hey, look at what our fan sites are saying’?

That said… QUAGGAN GUILD RUSH!

Because this whole GAME has been built on word of mouth.

And YES to Quaggan Guild Rush! If it’s anything like the crab scuttle one I predict many Quaggan will die that day.

Yes, arena net hate their own forums, they only made them so they could corral all the complainers to an isolated spot.

Well, as much as a fan i am of Anet, F&F was NOT an expansion worth of content. They should have never said that.

New dungeon is great, but I’d rather they revamped all the old ones. They are currently quite poor if you compare the story experience & mechanics to, say, WoW dungeons.

Also, so many changes to many classes in the past few months but nothing on that major Ranger update they talked about months ago. Also the whole Achievement point thing… no info on that… I dunno.. I feel like there are a lot of things they could be making better in the game, that they say they want to make better, then they add new things like Guild Missions which are really weak.

Atherakhia.4086:

Any mention of what the rewards in the dungeon will be? Will this be ascended weapons? New armor set (still no cavalier stuff out there)? Ascended armor? More trinkets?

Errm…it wouldn’t surprise me if ascended weapons and/or armour were the rewards in the new dungeon.

We all know ascended weapons/armour are coming at some point this year…

Probably cost tokens (another additional currency), you will need to run dungeon so many times till you have enough tokens…viola new ascended greatsword…

It makes sense with the storyline too, with the dredge/molten legion guys having access to, ‘new’ technology…

Meglobob.8620:

Errm…it wouldn’t surprise me if ascended weapons and/or armour were the rewards in the new dungeon.

We all know ascended weapons/armour are coming at some point this year…

Probably cost tokens (another additional currency), you will need to run dungeon so many times till you have enough tokens…viola new ascended greatsword…

It makes sense with the storyline too, with the dredge/molten legion guys having access to, ‘new’ technology…

It would be extremely stupid though. Since the dungeon is limited time only.
They can’t really lock people out from getting the BiS things by completely removing the means of getting it.

lordkrall.7241:

Meglobob.8620:

Errm…it wouldn’t surprise me if ascended weapons and/or armour were the rewards in the new dungeon.

We all know ascended weapons/armour are coming at some point this year…

Probably cost tokens (another additional currency), you will need to run dungeon so many times till you have enough tokens…viola new ascended greatsword…

It makes sense with the storyline too, with the dredge/molten legion guys having access to, ‘new’ technology…

It would be extremely stupid though. Since the dungeon is limited time only.
They can’t really lock people out from getting the BiS things by completely removing the means of getting it.

Is it 100% confirmed limited time?

Or will the story part be limited, dungeon to stay forever?

Meglobob.8620:

Atherakhia.4086:

Any mention of what the rewards in the dungeon will be? Will this be ascended weapons? New armor set (still no cavalier stuff out there)? Ascended armor? More trinkets?

Errm…it wouldn’t surprise me if ascended weapons and/or armour were the rewards in the new dungeon.

We all know ascended weapons/armour are coming at some point this year…

Probably cost tokens (another additional currency), you will need to run dungeon so many times till you have enough tokens…viola new ascended greatsword…

It makes sense with the storyline too, with the dredge/molten legion guys having access to, ‘new’ technology…

The main point behind Ascended is time gating (keeping people in game playing). The tokens to get a piece of Ascended armor would be astronomically high, or the amount you get for each run would be incredibly low. Either way it would also go back to gating Ascended behind one single mechanic, like it was when first introduced. All terrible ideas. If Ascended armor or weapons are ever introduced, expect the mechanic for getting them to be more akin to laurels than anything else.

Meglobob.8620:

Is it 100% confirmed limited time?

Or will the story part be limited, dungeon to stay forever?

The dungeon itself will be available for a limited amount of time, as it is tied to the ongoing story. The possibility of revisiting the content is not out of the question, however. It just becomes a matter of determining where and when it makes sense to do so.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/flameandfrost/MMORPG-Article-Question/first#post1881736

killcannon.2576:

Meglobob.8620:

Atherakhia.4086:

Any mention of what the rewards in the dungeon will be? Will this be ascended weapons? New armor set (still no cavalier stuff out there)? Ascended armor? More trinkets?

Errm…it wouldn’t surprise me if ascended weapons and/or armour were the rewards in the new dungeon.

We all know ascended weapons/armour are coming at some point this year…

Probably cost tokens (another additional currency), you will need to run dungeon so many times till you have enough tokens…viola new ascended greatsword…

It makes sense with the storyline too, with the dredge/molten legion guys having access to, ‘new’ technology…

The main point behind Ascended is time gating (keeping people in game playing). The tokens to get a piece of Ascended armor would be astronomically high, or the amount you get for each run would be incredibly low. Either way it would also go back to gating Ascended behind one single mechanic, like it was when first introduced. All terrible ideas. If Ascended armor or weapons are ever introduced, expect the mechanic for getting them to be more akin to laurels than anything else.

They may introduce them via the dungeon and via laurels at the same time or within a month or two of each another…who knows…I suspect the price will be high and a lot of grinding one way or another…

lordkrall.7241:

Meglobob.8620:

Is it 100% confirmed limited time?

Or will the story part be limited, dungeon to stay forever?

The dungeon itself will be available for a limited amount of time, as it is tied to the ongoing story. The possibility of revisiting the content is not out of the question, however. It just becomes a matter of determining where and when it makes sense to do so.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/livingworld/flameandfrost/MMORPG-Article-Question/first#post1881736

Ah…probably skins and such will be the dungeon rewards then…oh well, I have got used to ascended gear now and I would like a ascended shortbow please…

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/releases/april-30-2013/

Karizee.8076:

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/the-game/releases/april-30-2013/

nice! looks pretty good. I hope the new dungeon is longer then previous event dungeons though.

killcannon.2576:

Vayne.8563:

Parlourbeatflex.5970:

Weirdly it seems Anet dont like their own forum… Considering we have little to no information and i have just stumbled across a IGN article with some revealing info is makes me a sad to think that this place should be first and foremost when giving out information about the game and upcoming updates.

This has nothing to do with Anet liking their own forum. It has far more to do with Anet playing nice with certain sites. By giving the “scoop” to fan sites, they get people to visit those sites, perhaps even in exchange for commercial consideration, or ad space.

It’s good to keep the fan sites happy. The information was posted here on the forums anyway, right?

Giving scoops is fine. But there is no reason why the GW2 players should have to search for the info. The forums are one of the easiest ways the GW2 dev community has to communicate with it’s players, and there is no reason why the forum mods or community managers can not link pertinent sites and interviews in the News section of the forums.

Players ask why the devs don’t communicate more with the forums, and are told time and again that they don’t have the time to. But yet we see constant interviews, feeds, news stories appear on other sites that the devs have spent hours on. I’m not sure if anyone is asking for exclusivity for the forums, but keeping them in the loop isn’t too much to ask imo. Forgoing your official forums for face time on other sites does more to alienate people than it does to bring a community together.

Maybe they decide which gaming site gets the scoop by using RNG?

This information for no planned expansion worries me. It seems like they want to do a more evolving from of cataclysm. Where instead of everything just being changed, it would happen gradually as more story unfolds. That’s cool and all. But…..

What about the other Elder Dragons? Does this mean we will face them before the first xpac in just released content while the living world changes? Or does this mean we are going to be stuck with little additions like Flame and Frost until we face the next ED in the first Xpac.

Not really having an idea of there plans kind of makes me think this game will not have as much success as GW1. And I really don’t want that to be the case. It almost seems like after all these years waiting for this game they don’t seem to have any idea of what they want to do in the long run.

I love the fact that the majority of this thread is complaining that Anet is using IGN/Massively/et al to communicate with its playerbase. When the real issues being taken with this update news is that it is once again a minor update with more things that are about the cash shop than about any real gameplay additions.

A lot of my friends and I came to GW2 because we were tired of games like WoW and its continual treadmill of the same content just being rehashed and reskinned every 6 months. At this point we all would take at least that from Anet. The ONLY new PvE content that has been put permanently into Tyria since the launch of the game came 6+ months ago with the Karka Event. We got an island that is hardly used for anything but the few gather/kill bots and the occasional Guild Event. And we got Fractals. Something that proved to be popular and was promising because it looked to be an easy place for developers to design and implement “fast and easy” PvE content via new fractals. Six months in we have seen none of that.

Sure we have gotten SAB, which was awesome for a week or so, but left me (and my friends) feeling like it would have actually been awesome if it was finished content and not a quarter finished.) We got Living Story missions last month that were fun, interesting and had almost none of the “bad” trappings that Personal Story missions did. However, there were only 2 of them and they were quite short at that. Now we get a dungeon with no explorable modes, that will be “mostly” the same each time we run it and that will be gone after a month.

I am sorry, but this was a make or break month for myself (and my friends). We had already limited ourselves to 1-2 days of play a week. We want a game we have a reason to log into. Right now that time is 7pm Saturday evening for an hour while our guild does our (worthless and uninteresting) Guild Trek, our (colossally underorganized and often frustrating Guild Bounty, our (could be really fun and interesting if a little more design effort had been put into them) Guild Challenges, and maybe one day soon our guild (who is one of the largest PvE guilds on our server) will be able to try out the Guild Puzzles. We are basically sticking around just to see if the latter is fun. We wish we could have stayed in our small family guild to do them all, but Arena.net decided it wasn’t something that could be done. So now we play 1 day a week. Friends that used to set aside 20$ or more to purchase new things from the cash shop each month are now refusing to do so. We want new and interesting PvE content with depth. But for the last 4 months we have gotten nothing but PvP/WvW adjustments and we now feel like we don’t matter.

DarksunG.9537:

Well, as much as a fan i am of Anet, F&F was NOT an expansion worth of content. They should have never said that.

Colin actually commented on that in the interview with Dragon Season. Basically marketing wanted to use that phrase and then quickly learned it was a bad idea.

Ed of Death.4819:

This information for no planned expansion worries me. It seems like they want to do a more evolving from of cataclysm. Where instead of everything just being changed, it would happen gradually as more story unfolds. That’s cool and all. But…..

What about the other Elder Dragons? Does this mean we will face them before the first xpac in just released content while the living world changes? Or does this mean we are going to be stuck with little additions like Flame and Frost until we face the next ED in the first Xpac.

Not really having an idea of there plans kind of makes me think this game will not have as much success as GW1. And I really don’t want that to be the case. It almost seems like after all these years waiting for this game they don’t seem to have any idea of what they want to do in the long run.

That is how is SHOULD be. There is a lot of missing polish in the core of the game. Shouldn’t be running off to make expansions while there is still work that needs to be done in what is already here.

As for success, GW2 has already outsold the original in the same time period by a significant amount.

http://guildwars.com/events/press/releases/default.php

Guild Wars to Launch April 28 – February 2005
GUILD WARS EXCEEDS THREE MILLION SOLD – December 2006

See how long it took GW1 to get there? That is Prophecies + Factions.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/colin-johanson-on-guild-wars-2-in-the-months-ahead/

It’s been a fantastic ride so far – in the few months since Guild Wars 2 launched we’ve sold more than three million games and have become the most critically acclaimed MMO of 2012.

See how long it took GW2 to get there? I also have no doubt that the GW2 gem shop has made ANet a lot more money than the GW1 equivalent.

GW1 probably had to push things out at that rate partly because they had to because it was their primary means of income. This time around they are much better supported by the gem shop.

killcannon.2576:

But if someone states that everything someone else said in a post is false, that someone needs to back that up instead of just making declarative statements.

…and by “back up” I think most will agree that it means to provide evidence to support a claim or statement made. Not random jargon about business principles unrelated to the original statement made (Which btw, in this case, was telling another forum member that his entire post was false. Every part.)

The back up part was not done. IMO, ofc… :-)

Khisanth.2948
“That is how is SHOULD be. There is a lot of missing polish in the core of the game. Shouldn’t be running off to make expansions while there is still work that needs to be done in what is already here.

As for success, GW2 has already outsold the original in the same time period by a significant amount."

Your points are all valid. And I’m not arguing with any of them. But I don’t feel you understood what I was saying.

The Core of the game does need work. But the fact they said they have no planned expansion worries me solely based on lack of content over a long period of time. To me the Main story in this game currently is the Elder Dragons. So will this be continued through DLC or do we now have to wait 1 to 2 years for an expansion to add to the story?

As for success in the game. I don’t base success solely on sales. But that’s my own way of thinking, so its my fault for not making it clear. I played GW1 for many years even after all the expansions were done. I enjoyed it that much. That regardless of sales is a success to me personally. And I hope strongly that GW2 will have that same success.