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Posted by: Lafiel.9372

Lafiel.9372


Berserker gear pve is only strong if the person who wears it is skilled. Others who wear it just end up dying 2-3 seconds into a boss fight – constantly.

How much stronger do you think PVT-gear makes you? About 2 times stronger? So you last 4-6 seconds instead?

A LOT stronger (try 10-20x). I can face tank most mobs for a long time wearing “knights” not pvt. with berserkers, no way.

Maybe missing your main point again but scroll up , check my calculations and see how many stats you need in order to get 10 times stronger (not to mention 20…), it’s monstrous.

That would require a total armor value in the 20000-40000 range, right?

Only if you think in terms of numbers only….which it obviously is not what this game is only about…

There are so many others factors to consider besides from just numbers.. for one, the aggro system in gw2 is highly prejudice against players with high toughness (making you ideal for putting pressure off your berserker friends). A lot of the time, the 10-20 % less damage you take is all it means to be able to take a potentially 1-shot hit (and heal back up) or not.

For example, one of the bosses I most commonly face tank almost 100 % of the time is mossman, if I wasn’t able to hold aggro and tank every one of his big hits, my team mates would have a lot more trouble and dps would suffer because of it. There are also traited abilities which are beneficial to your chosen defensive stats which are game changing as well.

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Posted by: haviz.1340

haviz.1340

While this is true, the percent increase a player sees from a flat increase of 875 power is actually dependent on what their current stats are. A condition damage Necro has only 900 or so Power normally, so a boost of 875 is nearly a 100% increase in their power-based damage output (which is surprisingly plentiful for necros even when using condition builds) while they can take advantage of their other benefits, and that’s just one example. That said, I agree that a Berserker, while getting less % bonus damage, still benefits ‘equally’.

Berserker has crit dmg which sees increasement from might stacks as well.

Only if you think in terms of numbers only….which it obviously is not what this game is only about…

There are so many others factors to consider besides from just numbers.. for one, the aggro system in gw2 is highly prejudice against players with high toughness (making you ideal for putting pressure off your berserker friends). A lot of the time, the 10-20 % less damage you take is all it means to be able to take a potentially 1-shot hit (and heal back up) or not.

For example, one of the bosses I most commonly face tank almost 100 % of the time is mossman, if I wasn’t able to hold aggro and tank every one of his big hits, my team mates would have a lot more trouble and dps would suffer because of it. There are also traited abilities which are beneficial to your chosen defensive stats which are game changing as well.

He meant 10-20x times damage reduction, not 10-20%. And you can’t tank mossman at higher levels.

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Posted by: Mystic.5934

Mystic.5934

I agree: my fractal running would go quicker if I used berserker gear. but not for your obvious reason. because then I’d die when the rest of the party did, allowing us to retry from a checkpoint sooner. Instead, they all die, then I have to solo it or run away and wait for deaggro.

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Posted by: Knighthonor.4061

Knighthonor.4061

the outcome of having no Trinity. Everything becomes dps

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Posted by: Rising Dusk.2408

Rising Dusk.2408

While this is true, the percent increase a player sees from a flat increase of 875 power is actually dependent on what their current stats are. A condition damage Necro has only 900 or so Power normally, so a boost of 875 is nearly a 100% increase in their power-based damage output (which is surprisingly plentiful for necros even when using condition builds) while they can take advantage of their other benefits, and that’s just one example. That said, I agree that a Berserker, while getting less % bonus damage, still benefits ‘equally’.

Berserker has crit dmg which sees increasement from might stacks as well.

This would make for an interesting optimization problem. If I were more interested in the math than playing the game, I might work it out myself.

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Posted by: Ensign.2189

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I’m pretty sure it’s the exaggerations in this thread that get me the most.

The difference between full Berserker and full PVT isn’t the difference between killing things in 2 minutes or 20 minutes. It’s the difference between 2 minutes and 3 minutes. It is substantially less important than where you put your traits and using your skills effectively.

You cannot spec full defense in this game. Even if you’re full PVT, the most important offensive stat, power, is still your major stat. If you look at the contribution of your gear alone, with or without your traits, you’re looking at a 60%, maybe 70% boost in DPS from running full Berserker over full PVT.

That’s it.

Granted, getting another 60% damage isn’t anything to sneeze at. If you can manage it, great! You absolutely should do so. Durability stats scale very well in this game, however, and you should absolutely spec in such a way that you can play aggressively without fear of dropping from a single mistake – because the price of that added durability is very low for the returns in consistency.

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Posted by: SneakyErvin.3056

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I was just thinking the same when I read his post. Some guardians just dont know how good they have it.

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Posted by: Munkee.3542

Munkee.3542

Why do people buy anything but berserker gear?

Because when I type /death I want it to be a number I can count to without killing myself.

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Posted by: Duke Blackrose.4981

Duke Blackrose.4981

the outcome of having no Trinity. Everything becomes dps

Still more fun than mindlessly whacking on an enemy, knowing that it will be safely held by the tank and that the consequences of your actions are made irrelevant by the guy spamming heals on you.

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Posted by: ThePedroKid.2580

ThePedroKid.2580

I don’t think you realize how easy it is to be a berserker guardian.

Actually, it was kind of my point that it’s much easier to go full berserker’s and survive than people think. So, yes, I do realize how easy it is. I also realize how easy it is on my warrior, on my mesmer and on my elementalist.

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Posted by: Olba.5376

Olba.5376

Why do people buy anything but berserker gear?

Because when I type /death I want it to be a number I can count to without killing myself.

Well, if you’re reasonable and count a single digit per second, that’d be 31,536,000 for every year that you foresee yourself living. A total of 2,365,200,000 for an average lifespan of 75 years.

I think those are rather reasonable figures.