Guild Wars 2

ilr.9675:

^Lolololol

Seriously though… of all the things to complain about…

Dont’ buy it then, it’d be broken as hell Pay2Win if it was Master-Tier

People have such distorted view of P2W. How would being able to salvage items uninterrupted while still paying a fee rather than carrying around a ton of Master’s kits be considered P2W? I have a bank full of 30 mystic salvage kits and over 100 MF Stones, and guess what? I don’t even have to pay a fee for them. I must be gaining an inherent advantage over everyone else in the game because I’m too lazy to keep buying Master’s kits and bought MF stones to craft a kit that did the same thing with more uses. It’s the same concept.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Well it does save you 0.52c per use. If you salvage 50 items a day on average with a basic kit then it will only take you 18 years to recover the price of the gems.

And permanent gathering tools take about a decade to pay for themselves too.

When will people realize these are not put in the gems store for the sake of being cost-effective?

Viking Jorun.5413:

People have such distorted view of P2W.

Totally agree.
Because of the non-vertical progression nature of endgame, people now consider convenience and cosmetic to be pay to win for some reason, even when you can get it with gold as well.

What the hell guys?

I never have to buy another salvage kit for the stacks of white items I get. Also, it talks when you use it. Totally worth it for me.

-Tired of running out of bag space in fractals.
-Tired of running out of bag space in WvW.
-Tired of running out of bag space in dungeons.

-No merchants to sell to in Fractals. At least not 10+
-The zerg stops for no one in WvW. You leave to sell something, you’ll miss out.
-The party is impatient. You can practically hear then roll their eyes when you have to wp to the beginning of a dungeon to vendor items.

I always carry 5 stacks of basic salvage kits just because I get so much stuff.
I have 100 bag slots total. I am not hurting for space.
Especially when 80% of the items in my inventory are whites/blues/pure-salvage-only materials.
I bought this item for my convenience. That in itself was worth every copper.
I haven’t had to speak to a single vendor since.

Rhaps.8540:

It’s all part of Anet’s plan to raise the price of copper.

It…
It um…
It eats copper coins… not copper ore…

Pointless item.. 800Gems?! Well i’m sure it is worth something to someone. The only good thing about it is that it’s account bound. Wish the gathering tools were.

I’ll stick to Mystic Forge kits.

Jovel.5706:

So why should the Copper-Fed Salvage O-Matic be Master’s? That would conflict with the sale of mystic forge stones in the gemstore. If you really want a kit that has a large amount/unlimited uses, why not buy 3 mystic forge stones (which you can get from daily achievements AND certain boss chests) and craft one?

Mystic Forge stones have other uses besides making a 250-use Master’s quality kit.

As it stands this is a genuinely bad item, because it could have been so much better without being ‘OP’. Basic…stills costs per use…utterly useless item, should be 400 gems max and even then it’s still basic…

The unlimited harvest tools are actually useful in that you don’t waste space on tools or ever forget to refresh them and end up missing out on things, they are certainly not bought for the cost effectiveness!

Salvage-o-matic is just horrible, having none of the advantages of the Tools and being basic and still costing per use, it’s a trakittenem. Smart money is avoiding this one.

These infinite tools were never meant to be cost effective. They are designed to be time saving, buy not requiring you to ever buy them again on that character (any character sorta with this kit) and for the cool effects on use.

So if you have the cash/gold to afford the convenience and you like the effect that comes with the tool (in this case it talks to you when you use it) you buy it, if not you let it be.

I ended up buying 3 for the alts I play the most just so I would not have to put it in the bank each time I change alts. I finally decided to just get it for the convenience. I forget to take such things with me all the time which is why I like the harvesting tools as well. I’m not concerned with the cost efficiency.

Now, please, please Anet get rid of the confirmation buttons on greens.

JustTrogdor.7892:

Now, please, please Anet get rid of the confirmation buttons on greens.

Please please please pleaseeeeeee get rid of the confirmation on greens…

It is undeniably a loss of money, but this item is not ment to be used for profit. It essentially saves you space and whites and salavageables are best salvaged with this. Right now, i’m running around with 5 fine salvage kits and 1 mystic salvage kit in my inventory and I do consider buying this to make my inventory less cluttery.

Sincerely, Khaz

I wouldn’t have expected Master’s quality, maybe Journeyman.
Though I do see the potential for it, I tend to go deep in maps away from merchants and the inventory tends to fill up with items I want to salvage. When I don’t have a kit, I have to trudge back and get one.

No I won’t WP just for a kit. Chances are I won’t use actual money for the gems on this, but I’ll use my in game gold.

Honestly only seems worth it if you’re trying to farm achievement points through salvaging.

Cost of item = 800 gems
Time taken to farm gold for item = 2 days
Cost of use = 3 copper

Never having to buy another basic kit again = priceless

To some the big picture really does make a difference.

Personally, I feel as though it would have been more valuable had it been crude quality with no per use cost.

The fact that they only give you 15 uses with the crude kit is very annoying to me since that is the most cost effective kit to use on salvage items and white gear (since no blue tier or better materials can drop from them).

It eats your real life money AND in game money. Best Salvage kit invented by mankind.

Nuka Cola.8520:

It eats your real life money AND in game money. Best Salvage kit invented by mankind.

I find it useful and convenient so those two factors don’t bother me. I’d rather do without the sound effects though but at least they are only every 10-15 seconds or so.

JustTrogdor.7892:

Nuka Cola.8520:

It eats your real life money AND in game money. Best Salvage kit invented by mankind.

I find it useful and convenient so those two factors don’t bother me. I’d rather do without the sound effects though but at least they are only every 10-15 seconds or so.

You received 1 million mystic stones from AP for mystic salvage kits and you call this overpriced crap useful?

Nuka Cola.8520:

JustTrogdor.7892:

Nuka Cola.8520:

It eats your real life money AND in game money. Best Salvage kit invented by mankind.

I find it useful and convenient so those two factors don’t bother me. I’d rather do without the sound effects though but at least they are only every 10-15 seconds or so.

You received 1 million mystic stones from AP for mystic salvage kits and you call this overpriced crap useful?

Yes.

Nuka Cola.8520:

JustTrogdor.7892:

Nuka Cola.8520:

It eats your real life money AND in game money. Best Salvage kit invented by mankind.

I find it useful and convenient so those two factors don’t bother me. I’d rather do without the sound effects though but at least they are only every 10-15 seconds or so.

You received 1 million mystic stones from AP for mystic salvage kits and you call this overpriced crap useful?

It is useful in the sense that you no longer need to remember to ever buy a basic kit ever again. You also don’t need to carry multiple basic kits with you either (for those long farming runs).

This is called “convenience”, and convenience is useful. Convenience is also rarely profitable, so the fact that this kit technically is profitable (granted, over such a long period of time that it isn’t likely to be profitable) makes it ever so slightly more useful.

The question is not whether it is useful, the question is whether you value the convenience enough to warrant a purchase.

You appear to not. I also do not. Some players do. Those players will be funding the game this time around and you and I will to play for free because of it. The next item may wind up being our turn to fund the game. Who knows?

mtpelion.4562:

Nuka Cola.8520:

JustTrogdor.7892:

Nuka Cola.8520:

It eats your real life money AND in game money. Best Salvage kit invented by mankind.

I find it useful and convenient so those two factors don’t bother me. I’d rather do without the sound effects though but at least they are only every 10-15 seconds or so.

You received 1 million mystic stones from AP for mystic salvage kits and you call this overpriced crap useful?

It is useful in the sense that you no longer need to remember to ever buy a basic kit ever again. You also don’t need to carry multiple basic kits with you either (for those long farming runs).

This is called “convenience”, and convenience is useful. Convenience is also rarely profitable, so the fact that this kit technically is profitable (granted, over such a long period of time that it isn’t likely to be profitable) makes it ever so slightly more useful.

The question is not whether it is useful, the question is whether you value the convenience enough to warrant a purchase.

You appear to not. I also do not. Some players do. Those players will be funding the game this time around and you and I will to play for free because of it. The next item may wind up being our turn to fund the game. Who knows?

But how is buying a salvage kit or mining tool a problem or annoyance? You’re visiting a merch to sell your crap constantly… If its too hard for some1 to double click and buy a new salvage kit/mining tool, that’s extremely lazyness and its not like anet is selling them for cheap, they’re charging $10… If you bought the kit and all three mining tools that’s $40, enough to buy another copy of the game. This kit is even more useless than perma mining tools were and that is saying a lot.

Nuka Cola.8520:

But how is buying a salvage kit or mining tool a problem or annoyance? You’re visiting a merch to sell your crap constantly… If its too hard for some1 to double click and buy a new salvage kit/mining tool, that’s extremely lazyness and its not like anet is selling them for cheap, they’re charging $10… If you bought the kit and all three mining tools that’s $40, enough to buy another copy of the game. This kit is even more useless than perma mining tools were and that is saying a lot.

See, I’m not constantly visiting merchants and now I need to even less. It takes one bag slot as opposed to 2 or more. When my bags fill up (I’m maxed on bag slots) I can quickly salvage greens, blues, and salvageable items, click once and send the mats to my bank. I can do this several times without once having to go to a merchant. Additionally I admit I can be a bit absent minded at times and having these tools protects me from that because I don’t have to worry about “leaving home without it.”

Hey they aren’t for everyone but for people like me they are and they are worth it. When and if they bring back the other infinite tools I’ll be gearing up most of my alts with them because I didn’t have the foresight to do so when they first came out.

I’m not completely against the perma-use tool items, but the thing about this salvage kit that I don’t understand is in regards to how it’s supposed to save inventory space. If it’s not going to have a return chance at all with sigils/runes, then you’re going to wind up carrying extra salvage kits anyway.
I usually carry a Basic, a Mystic, and a BL salvage kit. So buying this would be swapping out a Basic salvage kit (and did I read this right that I’d need to carry a stack of copper ore?!o.O )

Neural.1824:

I’m not completely against the perma-use tool items, but the thing about this salvage kit that I don’t understand is in regards to how it’s supposed to save inventory space. If it’s not going to have a return chance at all with sigils/runes, then you’re going to wind up carrying extra salvage kits anyway.
I usually carry a Basic, a Mystic, and a BL salvage kit. So buying this would be swapping out a Basic salvage kit (and did I read this right that I’d need to carry a stack of copper ore?!o.O )

It’s copper coins, not ore. It makes up for the NPC cost of buying Basic from NPC, but it cost slightly less.

Neural.1824:

I’m not completely against the perma-use tool items, but the thing about this salvage kit that I don’t understand is in regards to how it’s supposed to save inventory space. If it’s not going to have a return chance at all with sigils/runes, then you’re going to wind up carrying extra salvage kits anyway.
I usually carry a Basic, a Mystic, and a BL salvage kit. So buying this would be swapping out a Basic salvage kit (and did I read this right that I’d need to carry a stack of copper ore?!o.O )

It doesn’t use copper ore it costs 3 copper per use and works the same as a basic salvage kit. I generally use basic salvage kits on anything green and below so it clears up a lot of bag space fast for me.

FoopOplo.7914:

Asking for this item to be more powerful is asking for GW2 to being 1 step closer to being buy to win! ANet did the right thing here. They could have EASILY made more moeny by making it stronger, but they didn’t and I commend them for it. Nice job ANet, just keep ignoring ill-thought out comments such as ones you’ll find here.

That is a good point. Judging by the posts there are some people who are going to buy this item and with other people claiming they don’t like it because it is so weak there is little chance of it being perceived as being unbalancing.

This may actually be the exact line ArenaNet is trying to walk.

If it had no fee, then it would be worth it. Who has more than 2 basic salvage kits at any one time anyways. I usually park myself at a vendor so I can salvage and also sell what I don’t need. 800 gems for this is ridiculous.

What I am not getting is why is the pick, axe and sickle free of any charge per use when you still had to purchase them to be used just like the salvage kits, do the different dev teams not share what each are doing amongst themselves?

I almost pulled out my credit card for this one…

You were that close to getting some money out of me Anet, but unfortunately your stinginess on not making it at least a master quality means money out of your pocket.

I don’t get it, really, it’s not like us purchasing master salvage kits is putting money in their pockets, so why on earth would they ever offer us an unlimited basic salvage kit? I’d also hardly call 15.36 silver a gold sink considering the master salvage kit doesn’t need to be used much as the basic takes care of most of the needs.

Anet.. seriously… what gives?

How many people here would actually buy an unlimited master quality salvage kit?

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Well it does save you 0.52c per use. If you salvage 50 items a day on average with a basic kit then it will only take you 18 years to recover the price of the gems.

You forget that you also lose money by having a full inventory. This takes up much less room than basic salvage kits and allows you to quickly eliminate all the blue and white items you are carrying, so you can farm more efficiently.

It’s funny somehow… I see lots of people every day – having bought cosmetical/fun items really being “useless” in the sense of never paying off and never bringing back your investment. Pink hats, sunglasses, minipets, instruments etc.

Noone would ever create a thread about that, discussing why my minipet doesn’t give me 1 gold each day so it pays off some day or why my flute isn’t spitting copper.

Still, as soon as ANet brings something out that could be considered useful in any way (those are mostly items people buy for more comfort), the crying begins about the item not being profitable, not paying off, …

Wanting an infinite higher tier salvage kit or one that doesn’t charge any fee for salvaging would hurt the economy in a way most of us can’t imagine (or just refuse to think about). That’s why ANet introduced a kit with exactly this tier and with a gold sink built into it so gold doesn’t lose its value (everyone is buying salvage kits veeeery often. Now imagine the money people spend on them would not be spent all of a sudden).

Apart from that, this really would go in the “pay to win” direction (something ANet hopefully knows to prevent also in the future).

I think people asking for something like that should start to realize, that they are simply not the target group ANet is aiming at with these items. The “dumb” people buying these items are funding future patches with their investment, so I guess it still pays off – even for those never spending a cent in the gem store

Im Mudbone.1437:

What I am not getting is why is the pick, axe and sickle free of any charge per use when you still had to purchase them to be used just like the salvage kits, do the different dev teams not share what each are doing amongst themselves?

Ask yourself how many times you salvage as opposed to gather.

Assuming each gathering tool was 20g when it was bought (about the price back then), it would take 50,000 or 25,000 (for the Sickle) gathers to pay off.

The salvage kit will take somewhere between 500,000-700,000 depending on when you buy it. Do you salvage 10-15x per gather (of each type [only 5-7 for sickle]) you do?

Just like the other 3 unlimited gathering tools… there is no money value in those items, as they are insanely expensive (10,8 euros each).

What they offer is the convenience of not having to go buy and carry a ton of tools with you, along with some cool effect.

Well, in this particular one:

• The effect is noticed only by you.
• The effect is annoying.
• Unlike the other tools, this one offers the lowest possible quality of service.
• It still asks for money! Less money than the original tool cost but still money.
• It has the same insane 10,8 euros price!

IMO it’s not worth it.
With the other premium tools you could get even in 10 years. with this one it will take 18… (to compare the price deference)
I bought the other 3, but I’ll rather carry with me 3-4 normal salvaging kits and have them do the job silently.
I’ll have carry and switch to better salvaging kits for the better items anyway, so what’s the point…

Sorry A-net but Both the effect and the convenience blow in this one.

I don’t think it’s worth it. Here’s why:

• I only use Basic Salvage Kits on white items. I sell blues and greens to the merch.

• I still have to carry a Mystic Salvage Kit for rares.

• And I still need a Black Lion Salvage Kit for exotics (due to their runes/sigils), or Aetherized/Fused Metal Scraps that have chances for really valuable materials.

EDIT: The Infinite Gathering Tools were different because they were the highest tier possible, and allowed you to mine/log/harvest any node with no negative consequences. The infinite salvage kit does have negative consequences: lower rate of rares and the upgrades part.

Juclesia Elcritian.8410:

I don’t think it’s worth it. Here’s why:

• I only use Basic Salvage Kits on white items. I sell blues and greens to the merch.

• I still have to carry a Mystic Salvage Kit for rares.

• And I still need a Black Lion Salvage Kit for exotics (due to their runes/sigils), or Aetherized/Fused Metal Scraps that have chances for really valuable materials.

EDIT: The Infinite Gathering Tools were different because they were the highest tier possible, and allowed you to mine/log/harvest any node with no negative consequences. The infinite salvage kit does have negative consequences: lower rate of rares and the upgrades part.

This still means that less of your inventory would be taken up by salvage kits if you purchase the new infinite kit. With or without it you allocate a slot to a mystic kit and another to a BL kit.

But with the new kit you only need one inventory slot assigned to be able to salvage any number of white items. Without the new kit you might need to carry several basic kits.

There is a benefit to the new kit. I can certainly see how one might not find that benefit to be worth the cost, I certainly am not buying the new kit (thought I did buy one each of the infinite gathering tools), but there is a benefit.

Esplen.3940:

Im Mudbone.1437:

What I am not getting is why is the pick, axe and sickle free of any charge per use when you still had to purchase them to be used just like the salvage kits, do the different dev teams not share what each are doing amongst themselves?

Ask yourself how many times you salvage as opposed to gather.

Assuming each gathering tool was 20g when it was bought (about the price back then), it would take 50,000 or 25,000 (for the Sickle) gathers to pay off.

The salvage kit will take somewhere between 500,000-700,000 depending on when you buy it. Do you salvage 10-15x per gather (of each type [only 5-7 for sickle]) you do?

Actually, you would pretty amazed at how much gathering I do if you were to follow me around on my farming jaunts, after all I’m a massive solo farmer(not a zerg farmer) and my guilds go to guy for said gatherings when needed. I spent a LOT on gathering tools before the everlasting ones, maybe not as much as on salvaging, but, VERY CLOSE. All bank and inventory spaces have been aquired with max bag space with usually only 8 to 12 spots open in my bank from all the stacks of mats

It’s entirely pointless because you’re paying for a convenience on an action who’s purpose is to make you money……..

The can achieve the exact same convenience as this item by just vendoring your white items.

Knote.2904:

It’s entirely pointless because you’re paying for a convenience on an action who’s purpose is to make you money……..

The can achieve the exact same convenience as this item by just vendoring your white items.

Salvaging items almost never makes you money. The purpose is to extract materials from items that are otherwise of no use. This item removes the need for you to stock up on low level kits so it is not pointless, it just has a very limited point.

Think the best way to fix this is to make it take ONE copper per use, so it actually fits the name… or rename it as Three-Copper-Fed Salvage o-Matic.

I buy it, I don’t regret

Sooo many times I’ve had to literally trhow away some white trash due I’m at an WxW Zerg, Or an fractal, or any dungeon, or even in an zerg event, and I don’t have any salvage kits to destroy whit trash.

Considering that now I never run out of Kits, its pretty useful for me. Not profitable, for sure, But much more best than discard salvage itens due to filled bags.

Actually, making the right maths, can end by paying itself. (No more itens discarded, no more Useless 2s+ WP only for buy kits).

Holding one cooper-matic and one Mystic kit, its actually perfect for my gaming type.
Also, please, make more of those sort of endless itens. I ever buy they :P

(For the guy that mentioned its more useful buy Merchant express, no, they aren’t. Very expensive for a 1-time use).

mtpelion.4562:

Knote.2904:

It’s entirely pointless because you’re paying for a convenience on an action who’s purpose is to make you money……..

The can achieve the exact same convenience as this item by just vendoring your white items.

Salvaging items almost never makes you money. The purpose is to extract materials from items that are otherwise of no use. This item removes the need for you to stock up on low level kits so it is not pointless, it just has a very limited point.

…. You either sell (or destroy) the white item for a piddly amount of copper, or you salvage it for materials worth more, thus salvaging makes you extra money.

Then you spend a ton of money for a convenience item to make that process a little bit less annoying which defeats the purpose of that function in the first place.

Maybe as a super super long investment it’s worth it, but if it payed itself off in a more reasonable amount of time it’d probably be good then.

It’d be like you went out as a hobby and collected garbage and recyclable cans/bottles for a little extra money on the side, then you buy something for 10,000 dollars that will do it automatically for you… lol

so what if some people have kitten ton amount of gold stacked and nowhere in this game to spend it? buying this that would save them 5 spaces on bag and 15 seconds a day of restocking + 30seconds of having to actually look up for them in your bag when it is a mess.

PLS tell me were else to waste gold in this game, there are not many other options

In General:
1. Salvage Items are worth many times more on the TP than as salvage.
2. White armor/weapons are worth more on the TP than as salvage.
3. Blue armor/weapons are worth more to vendor than to salvage.
4. Green armor/weapons are worth more to vendor or TP than as salvage.
5. Yellow and Orange armor/weapons can be worth more as salvage, but only with a Master kit or better.

Low level salvage kits are really only useful for salvaging Blue armor/weapons when your inventory is full and you don’t have access to a merchant. For that purpose, the unlimited kit will save you the hassle of remembering to buy the nearly useless low level salvage kits.

Today i often ran out of bag space and had to focus on TP selling stuff instead of farming/looting. I probably lost 20 silver of blue/greens in the process. Having had this salvage kit instead of 5 basic salvage kits, could have solved the problem. Secondly, by having unlimited uses, you don’t have to worry about using it, so you might even spare space by quickly using it on salvage items, and depositing the materials then.

Basically i see this kit purely as convenience (extra bag space). Technically i think you will earn it will back, by the extra bag space created with it, and the situations where that would slow your farming down/less loot in the end. That’s why i’m gonna buy one.

I hope that Anet will see this thread and upgrade the Salvage-o-Matic to at least be as good as a Fine Salvage Kit.

It talks… totally worth it