I already have ppl able to follow me with no permission, this would give them the power to now spy on my build/gear/‘style’ from afar with no permission. …I rather like my privacy. And yes I saw a lot of “You wear it for all the public to see” Yea I do, but I also just cannot run around naked can I? And I won’t wear something ‘ugly’ that i don’t find appealing either.
As far as the style thing goes…I’ve had someone ask me once in game bout mine. And then show up the next day completely copying it. Down to character model face color and kitten. LOL rather disappointed with that.(Specially cause I’m an Rper) Yea, Anet owns all the rights. But.. It did take me time to find something I myself thought of as unique and they made it, Un-unique.
I got no problem if people ask up front, I’ll say what It is I’m using and what dyes I’m using as well. And sometimes it can create a friendship, because it Keeps people TALKING to each other. Which I feel is important rather then snooping from afar to get the same result even if it is easier.
Bottom line: It’s invasive. I don’t support and want it in this game , that’s for sure.
Simple
Go to settings. Select ‘allow gear check’ turn off. Fixed
I already have ppl able to follow me with no permission, this would give them the power to now spy on my build/gear/‘style’ from afar with no permission. …I rather like my privacy. And yes I saw a lot of “You wear it for all the public to see” Yea I do, but I also just cannot run around naked can I? And I won’t wear something ‘ugly’ that i don’t find appealing either.
As far as the style thing goes…I’ve had someone ask me once in game bout mine. And then show up the next day completely copying it. Down to character model face color and kitten. LOL rather disappointed with that.(Specially cause I’m an Rper) Yea, Anet owns all the rights. But.. It did take me time to find something I myself thought of as unique and they made it, Un-unique.
I got no problem if people ask up front, I’ll say what It is I’m using and what dyes I’m using as well. And sometimes it can create a friendship, because it Keeps people TALKING to each other. Which I feel is important rather then snooping from afar to get the same result even if it is easier.
Bottom line: It’s invasive. I don’t support and want it in this game , that’s for sure.
Simple
Go to settings. Select ‘allow gear check’ turn off. Fixed
As has already been stated countless times, that wouldn’t work.
Fractal/raid groups would just make turning it on a requirement.
Dear A-net: Please nerf rock. Paper is fine
~Sincerely, Scissors
If someone wants to know what skin I’m sporting, they can screenshot and look in the wardrobe. If they cba to do that, they really don’t need to know.
Which implies, with little doubt, that you’d tell anyone that whispered you to take a screenie and go look it up. Because “if they cba [sic] to do that, they really don’t need to know.”
That being said, I saw another suggestion which is to provide an “enable/disable” option for style inspections. If you want to remain private because you put effort into creating your style, then you can disable the style inspection feature. If you’re a more “open source” type of player when it comes to style, then you can enable the style inspection feature. Boom — problem solved, everyone happy!
Part of me thinks that someone in ANet was thinking “hey, wanna see something funny? Watch this…”
Sooooo (style,elitism,pvp, etc etc ipotetical non-existence of those “problems”) create a tool to check others gear, create a feature to disable able that tool, create a new interface to use that tool…. all so we don’t have to ask on chat what the other wears….. metabattle.com is full of guides about builds, gear stats, skill builds etc. GW2fashion.com have a lot of stylists happy to help you to improve your style. In game we have the wardrobe and chat…. i don’t think practicaly this tool will be added anytime soon… or later …. or never…. Just saying…
this is something i do not want at all in this fine game . and why i do not play World of Warcraft at all . no matter if i did raids wvw pvp or pve no way no how no thanks at all . now if some one likes the skin i got my toon they can take a screen shot and look it up or they could just ask me. otherwise like i said no thanks no how no way the day that happens in this fine game i will stop playing . i do not like that thought as well.
Sounds sort of elitist… kinda like “I got mine, don’t even ask me what it is, nah nah na-nah nah”
e·lit·ist – adjective – favoring, advocating, or restricted to an elite.
EDIT: there’s nothing private about style… you wear it for all to see.
Not elitist at all. By definition, if its not restricted, as you say, “nothing private,” and, “for all to see,” and copy/access as they desire, then it isnt elitist.
I would like this just to avoid asking “what skin is that?” when I see a cool look on a player.
Stats and traits can remain private. A way to “link” a build would be cool (a la GW1). That way I can ask and they can offer if they want. Maybe that will come with the next expansion when we can load/save builds
If you make it possible, groups can require it. I say no.
Groups will do what they will do. They can ask your build today and you can either lie or ignore them — either way you’ll suffer. Having build linking is not going to change that in any way (you could also link a different build so the ‘lie’ scenario is still valid).
Ultimately you can choose to run in those type of groups or not. Having build linking doesn’t change that in any way.
Why would you suffer either way? Right now you can lie and if you’re a good player you might not need what they are demanding. A method to view your build means they can view it right now so you can’t lie.
it’s this luck based mystic toilet that we’re all so sick of flushing our money down. -Salamol
I already have ppl able to follow me with no permission, this would give them the power to now spy on my build/gear/‘style’ from afar with no permission. …I rather like my privacy. And yes I saw a lot of “You wear it for all the public to see” Yea I do, but I also just cannot run around naked can I? And I won’t wear something ‘ugly’ that i don’t find appealing either.
As far as the style thing goes…I’ve had someone ask me once in game bout mine. And then show up the next day completely copying it. Down to character model face color and kitten. LOL rather disappointed with that.(Specially cause I’m an Rper) Yea, Anet owns all the rights. But.. It did take me time to find something I myself thought of as unique and they made it, Un-unique.
I got no problem if people ask up front, I’ll say what It is I’m using and what dyes I’m using as well. And sometimes it can create a friendship, because it Keeps people TALKING to each other. Which I feel is important rather then snooping from afar to get the same result even if it is easier.
Bottom line: It’s invasive. I don’t support and want it in this game , that’s for sure.
Simple
Go to settings. Select ‘allow gear check’ turn off. Fixed
What happens when you try to join a group and they say you have to turn it on or you can’t join?
it’s this luck based mystic toilet that we’re all so sick of flushing our money down. -Salamol
If someone wants to know what skin I’m sporting, they can screenshot and look in the wardrobe. If they cba to do that, they really don’t need to know.
Which implies, with little doubt, that you’d tell anyone that whispered you to take a screenie and go look it up. Because “if they cba [sic] to do that, they really don’t need to know.”
That being said, I saw another suggestion which is to provide an “enable/disable” option for style inspections. If you want to remain private because you put effort into creating your style, then you can disable the style inspection feature. If you’re a more “open source” type of player when it comes to style, then you can enable the style inspection feature. Boom — problem solved, everyone happy!
The conversation is about “examining” (Thread title) so that’s what he was talking about. Fairly obvious to me.
it’s this luck based mystic toilet that we’re all so sick of flushing our money down. -Salamol
Bad fit for this game, in my opinion. We don’t have gear progression for a reason. Anyone who has played WoW and seen how gear checks work for group content should know it’s a terrible idea for this game. You would quickly alienate your core.
I already have ppl able to follow me with no permission, this would give them the power to now spy on my build/gear/‘style’ from afar with no permission. …I rather like my privacy. And yes I saw a lot of “You wear it for all the public to see” Yea I do, but I also just cannot run around naked can I? And I won’t wear something ‘ugly’ that i don’t find appealing either.
As far as the style thing goes…I’ve had someone ask me once in game bout mine. And then show up the next day completely copying it. Down to character model face color and kitten. LOL rather disappointed with that.(Specially cause I’m an Rper) Yea, Anet owns all the rights. But.. It did take me time to find something I myself thought of as unique and they made it, Un-unique.
I got no problem if people ask up front, I’ll say what It is I’m using and what dyes I’m using as well. And sometimes it can create a friendship, because it Keeps people TALKING to each other. Which I feel is important rather then snooping from afar to get the same result even if it is easier.
Bottom line: It’s invasive. I don’t support and want it in this game , that’s for sure.
i fully agree on you with this 10,0000% and when i find thos that think it is ok to
follow me on my friends list they are put to the blocked list for life . !! not even sure why
this is in the game even but at lest there is a way to block it
I already have ppl able to follow me with no permission, this would give them the power to now spy on my build/gear/‘style’ from afar with no permission. …I rather like my privacy. And yes I saw a lot of “You wear it for all the public to see” Yea I do, but I also just cannot run around naked can I? And I won’t wear something ‘ugly’ that i don’t find appealing either.
As far as the style thing goes…I’ve had someone ask me once in game bout mine. And then show up the next day completely copying it. Down to character model face color and kitten. LOL rather disappointed with that.(Specially cause I’m an Rper) Yea, Anet owns all the rights. But.. It did take me time to find something I myself thought of as unique and they made it, Un-unique.
I got no problem if people ask up front, I’ll say what It is I’m using and what dyes I’m using as well. And sometimes it can create a friendship, because it Keeps people TALKING to each other. Which I feel is important rather then snooping from afar to get the same result even if it is easier.
Bottom line: It’s invasive. I don’t support and want it in this game , that’s for sure.
Simple
Go to settings. Select ‘allow gear check’ turn off. Fixed
What happens when you try to join a group and they say you have to turn it on or you can’t join?
just make your own group and have fun in the game the way you want to
this is something i do not want at all in this fine game . and why i do not play World of Warcraft at all . no matter if i did raids wvw pvp or pve no way no how no thanks at all . now if some one likes the skin i got my toon they can take a screen shot and look it up or they could just ask me. otherwise like i said no thanks no how no way the day that happens in this fine game i will stop playing . i do not like that thought as well.
Sounds sort of elitist… kinda like “I got mine, don’t even ask me what it is, nah nah na-nah nah”
e·lit·ist – adjective – favoring, advocating, or restricted to an elite.
EDIT: there’s nothing private about style… you wear it for all to see.
Not elitist at all. By definition, if its not restricted, as you say, “nothing private,” and, “for all to see,” and copy/access as they desire, then it isnt elitist.
this is very true and well said .!! anyone making a claim like that well is reaching for
something that is not even there at all to begin with . some of us just like to keep
things private and enjoy the game our way and let the rest enjoy the game there way
Examine skins? Yes.
Examine stats/build? No (and before you suggest it, “no” to duels as well)
but what is wrong with duels? all the races being kissy-huggy is bad enough as it is, why not let you and your buds test stuff out while leveling or fight that stranger you see in the world without going through a server broswer. I thought gw2 was all about convenience?
much rather have all the races being kissy-huggy than i would even have this or duels
this is not world of warcraft for a reason it is guild wars 2 . which i like guild wars 2 and
guild wars one for the way it is and not like world of warcraft that i do not play at all
If someone wants to know what skin I’m sporting, they can screenshot and look in the wardrobe. If they cba to do that, they really don’t need to know.
Sounds sort of elitist… kinda like “I got mine, don’t even ask me what it is, nah nah na-nah nah”
e·lit·ist – adjective – favoring, advocating, or restricted to an elite.
EDIT: there’s nothing private about style… you wear it for all to see.
So, it’s elitist to think that people should get off their dead kittens and actually do something to get what they want instead of crying to the developer to give them yet another convenience feature so they can get what they want with little to no effort?
Nah. This is just another attempt to inappropriately use a buzz word to try to discredit opposition. There’s no elitism in suggesting someone use tools readily available to everyone.
I think it’s elitist to tell someone to look it up themselves when they take the time to actually whisper or message you. Because due to any number of things, they may find the wrong one: there are a number of items in the wardrobe that look similar. And if they’re wanting dye scheme as well, that can be hard as well since dyes look different on different materials.
Whispering someone is an available tool in the game.
Asking the devs to add another tool to the game is a tool that players have. It’s what these forums are for. Giving feedback and suggestions to devs and others who make the decisions on what gets added or not. To say that it’s not elistist to say that players shouldn’t ask for things because it’s not in the game already is absurd.
I never said anything about whispering. You made that up. I offered screenie, then wardrobe as an alternative to a hypothetical inspect.
So, wait. Now it’s elitist to oppose ideas? I never said people shouldn’t ask, only that I do not want the proposed feature.
You said in your own words that if players can’t screenie and look in the wardrobe to find what matches then they shouldn’t know what you’re wearing. So maybe next time work on your word choice, because to me, like it did to juno, it read if I asked you what you’re wearing you’d tell me to figure it out myself by taking a picture. Which would be an elitist response to the whisper.
If someone wants to know what skin I’m sporting, they can screenshot and look in the wardrobe. If they cba to do that, they really don’t need to know.
Sounds sort of elitist… kinda like “I got mine, don’t even ask me what it is, nah nah na-nah nah”
e·lit·ist – adjective – favoring, advocating, or restricted to an elite.
EDIT: there’s nothing private about style… you wear it for all to see.
So, it’s elitist to think that people should get off their dead kittens and actually do something to get what they want instead of crying to the developer to give them yet another convenience feature so they can get what they want with little to no effort?
Nah. This is just another attempt to inappropriately use a buzz word to try to discredit opposition. There’s no elitism in suggesting someone use tools readily available to everyone.
I think it’s elitist to tell someone to look it up themselves when they take the time to actually whisper or message you. Because due to any number of things, they may find the wrong one: there are a number of items in the wardrobe that look similar. And if they’re wanting dye scheme as well, that can be hard as well since dyes look different on different materials.
Whispering someone is an available tool in the game.
Asking the devs to add another tool to the game is a tool that players have. It’s what these forums are for. Giving feedback and suggestions to devs and others who make the decisions on what gets added or not. To say that it’s not elistist to say that players shouldn’t ask for things because it’s not in the game already is absurd.
I never said anything about whispering. You made that up. I offered screenie, then wardrobe as an alternative to a hypothetical inspect.
So, wait. Now it’s elitist to oppose ideas? I never said people shouldn’t ask, only that I do not want the proposed feature.
You said in your own words that if players can’t screenie and look in the wardrobe to find what matches then they shouldn’t know what you’re wearing. So maybe next time work on your word choice, because to me, like it did to juno, it read if I asked you what you’re wearing you’d tell me to figure it out myself by taking a picture. Which would be an elitist response to the whisper.
Its a thread about inspect. He offered an alternative to inspect. If it were a thread about whispered requests for information, who knows what the response would be.
Not elitist unless you create a new definition for the word to apply exclusively to this situation. If there is no exclusion. If there is no elite. If the options are essentially freely available to everyone. Then it is not elitism.
As has already been mentioned countless times, raiders and elitists already find ways to exclude non-meta-conforming players from raids. “Post your API. If you don’t, you’re not allowed to raid with us”.
It would make it infinitely faster if we had an “inspect player” option so this process would go a lot faster.
I don’t see a single difference that adding an “inspect player” option would make, except for positive aspects. L2P MMOs guys.
If someone wants to know what skin I’m sporting, they can screenshot and look in the wardrobe. If they cba to do that, they really don’t need to know.
Sounds sort of elitist… kinda like “I got mine, don’t even ask me what it is, nah nah na-nah nah”
e·lit·ist – adjective – favoring, advocating, or restricted to an elite.
EDIT: there’s nothing private about style… you wear it for all to see.
So, it’s elitist to think that people should get off their dead kittens and actually do something to get what they want instead of crying to the developer to give them yet another convenience feature so they can get what they want with little to no effort?
Nah. This is just another attempt to inappropriately use a buzz word to try to discredit opposition. There’s no elitism in suggesting someone use tools readily available to everyone.
I think it’s elitist to tell someone to look it up themselves when they take the time to actually whisper or message you. Because due to any number of things, they may find the wrong one: there are a number of items in the wardrobe that look similar. And if they’re wanting dye scheme as well, that can be hard as well since dyes look different on different materials.
Whispering someone is an available tool in the game.
Asking the devs to add another tool to the game is a tool that players have. It’s what these forums are for. Giving feedback and suggestions to devs and others who make the decisions on what gets added or not. To say that it’s not elistist to say that players shouldn’t ask for things because it’s not in the game already is absurd.
I never said anything about whispering. You made that up. I offered screenie, then wardrobe as an alternative to a hypothetical inspect.
So, wait. Now it’s elitist to oppose ideas? I never said people shouldn’t ask, only that I do not want the proposed feature.
You said in your own words that if players can’t screenie and look in the wardrobe to find what matches then they shouldn’t know what you’re wearing. So maybe next time work on your word choice, because to me, like it did to juno, it read if I asked you what you’re wearing you’d tell me to figure it out myself by taking a picture. Which would be an elitist response to the whisper.
Its a thread about inspect. He offered an alternative to inspect. If it were a thread about whispered requests for information, who knows what the response would be.
Not elitist unless you create a new definition for the word to apply exclusively to this situation. If there is no exclusion. If there is no elite. If the options are essentially freely available to everyone. Then it is not elitism.
Maybe you should read carefully what was said.
IndigoSundown said that and I quote:
If someone wants to know what skin I’m sporting, they can screenshot and look in the wardrobe. If they cba to do that, they really don’t need to know.
That reads to me, and to juno as well if you’ve read juno’s reply, that if someone were to ask IndigoSundown what skins and/or dyes they are sporting, that the reply would be to figure it out themselves. That to me is an elitist reply. And it also means to me that IndigoSundown would always oppose players asking for the inspect too because it’s not the player screenshotting what skin(s) he wants to figure out. Which in turn makes IndigoSundown’s reply here smack of elitism.
Which means, if IndigoSundown didn’t mean that, he needs to watch his word choice.
I already have ppl able to follow me with no permission, this would give them the power to now spy on my build/gear/‘style’ from afar with no permission. …I rather like my privacy. And yes I saw a lot of “You wear it for all the public to see” Yea I do, but I also just cannot run around naked can I? And I won’t wear something ‘ugly’ that i don’t find appealing either.
As far as the style thing goes…I’ve had someone ask me once in game bout mine. And then show up the next day completely copying it. Down to character model face color and kitten. LOL rather disappointed with that.(Specially cause I’m an Rper) Yea, Anet owns all the rights. But.. It did take me time to find something I myself thought of as unique and they made it, Un-unique.
I got no problem if people ask up front, I’ll say what It is I’m using and what dyes I’m using as well. And sometimes it can create a friendship, because it Keeps people TALKING to each other. Which I feel is important rather then snooping from afar to get the same result even if it is easier.
Bottom line: It’s invasive. I don’t support and want it in this game , that’s for sure.
Simple
Go to settings. Select ‘allow gear check’ turn off. Fixed
What happens when you try to join a group and they say you have to turn it on or you can’t join?
Then theyre stupid people. My question is, why dont you want others to see what youre wearing. If youre wearing paladin armor and hide it, youre the villain. What i mean is, the average group knows the difference between meta, best, good, decent, bad and poor stats. If you run bad or poor stats you were gonna hold the party back regardless of them knowing the stats. They will either notice/think you have bad gear, or a bad rotation and kick you. You chose to hide that knowledge.
(Ps, by paladin gear i mean any stat set that needlessly replaces an offensive stat with defensive stats)
As has already been mentioned countless times, raiders and elitists already find ways to exclude non-meta-conforming players from raids. “Post your API. If you don’t, you’re not allowed to raid with us”.
It would make it infinitely faster if we had an “inspect player” option so this process would go a lot faster.
I don’t see a single difference that adding an “inspect player” option would make, except for positive aspects. L2P MMOs guys.
As has already been mentioned countless times, raiders and elitists already find ways to exclude non-meta-conforming players from raids. “Post your API. If you don’t, you’re not allowed to raid with us”.
It would make it infinitely faster if we had an “inspect player” option so this process would go a lot faster.
I don’t see a single difference that adding an “inspect player” option would make, except for positive aspects. L2P MMOs guys.
NO THANKS. WHY DON’T YOU LEARN TO GW2?
I’d rather have you list reasons why the “inspect player” option is bad than simply reply to the sarcastic portion of my post.
If you can list some reasons why it’s bad, that’d be great.
As has already been mentioned countless times, raiders and elitists already find ways to exclude non-meta-conforming players from raids. “Post your API. If you don’t, you’re not allowed to raid with us”.
It would make it infinitely faster if we had an “inspect player” option so this process would go a lot faster.
I don’t see a single difference that adding an “inspect player” option would make, except for positive aspects. L2P MMOs guys.
NO THANKS. WHY DON’T YOU LEARN TO GW2?
I’d rather have you list reasons why the “inspect player” option is bad than simply reply to the sarcastic portion of my post.
If you can list some reasons why it’s bad, that’d be great.
No. This thread has been done time and time and time again in the last 4 years if you want to look them up go ahead. Most people you will find are against it.
If someone wants to know what skin I’m sporting, they can screenshot and look in the wardrobe. If they cba to do that, they really don’t need to know.
Which implies, with little doubt, that you’d tell anyone that whispered you to take a screenie and go look it up. Because “if they cba [sic] to do that, they really don’t need to know.”
That statement was made in response to the thread topic, which is an inspection feature, not social interaction. My opposition is to the demand for the feature. I have no objections to interaction.
I prefer that ANet not spend dev time on an interaction-less convenience feature when there is an existing interaction-less method that only requires a tiny bit more effort. Any dev time spent on such a feature would be time taken from other projects. Given that ANet is no more able to keep up with player demands for content and features than any other MMO developer, I prefer they spend time on stuff that there is more of a glaring need for.
If someone wants to know what skin I’m sporting, they can screenshot and look in the wardrobe. If they cba to do that, they really don’t need to know.
Sounds sort of elitist… kinda like “I got mine, don’t even ask me what it is, nah nah na-nah nah”
e·lit·ist – adjective – favoring, advocating, or restricted to an elite.
EDIT: there’s nothing private about style… you wear it for all to see.
So, it’s elitist to think that people should get off their dead kittens and actually do something to get what they want instead of crying to the developer to give them yet another convenience feature so they can get what they want with little to no effort?
Nah. This is just another attempt to inappropriately use a buzz word to try to discredit opposition. There’s no elitism in suggesting someone use tools readily available to everyone.
I think it’s elitist to tell someone to look it up themselves when they take the time to actually whisper or message you. Because due to any number of things, they may find the wrong one: there are a number of items in the wardrobe that look similar. And if they’re wanting dye scheme as well, that can be hard as well since dyes look different on different materials.
Whispering someone is an available tool in the game.
Asking the devs to add another tool to the game is a tool that players have. It’s what these forums are for. Giving feedback and suggestions to devs and others who make the decisions on what gets added or not. To say that it’s not elistist to say that players shouldn’t ask for things because it’s not in the game already is absurd.
I never said anything about whispering. You made that up. I offered screenie, then wardrobe as an alternative to a hypothetical inspect.
So, wait. Now it’s elitist to oppose ideas? I never said people shouldn’t ask, only that I do not want the proposed feature.
You said in your own words that if players can’t screenie and look in the wardrobe to find what matches then they shouldn’t know what you’re wearing. So maybe next time work on your word choice, because to me, like it did to juno, it read if I asked you what you’re wearing you’d tell me to figure it out myself by taking a picture. Which would be an elitist response to the whisper.
Its a thread about inspect. He offered an alternative to inspect. If it were a thread about whispered requests for information, who knows what the response would be.
Not elitist unless you create a new definition for the word to apply exclusively to this situation. If there is no exclusion. If there is no elite. If the options are essentially freely available to everyone. Then it is not elitism.
Maybe you should read carefully what was said.
IndigoSundown said that and I quote:
If someone wants to know what skin I’m sporting, they can screenshot and look in the wardrobe. If they cba to do that, they really don’t need to know.
That reads to me, and to juno as well if you’ve read juno’s reply, that if someone were to ask IndigoSundown what skins and/or dyes they are sporting, that the reply would be to figure it out themselves. That to me is an elitist reply. And it also means to me that IndigoSundown would always oppose players asking for the inspect too because it’s not the player screenshotting what skin(s) he wants to figure out. Which in turn makes IndigoSundown’s reply here smack of elitism.
Which means, if IndigoSundown didn’t mean that, he needs to watch his word choice.
No watching his word choice can prevent people from inserting their own meaning into what was actually said. Particularly if those readers are inclined to twist the English language in order to support their interpretations.
As has already been mentioned countless times, raiders and elitists already find ways to exclude non-meta-conforming players from raids. “Post your API. If you don’t, you’re not allowed to raid with us”.
It would make it infinitely faster if we had an “inspect player” option so this process would go a lot faster.
I don’t see a single difference that adding an “inspect player” option would make, except for positive aspects. L2P MMOs guys.
NO THANKS. WHY DON’T YOU LEARN TO GW2?
I’d rather have you list reasons why the “inspect player” option is bad than simply reply to the sarcastic portion of my post.
If you can list some reasons why it’s bad, that’d be great.
No. This thread has been done time and and time and time again in the last 4 years if you want to look them up go ahead. Most people you will find are against it.
Hah, that made me laugh… thanks.
You people can’t give me a single argument as to my original statement. Why, if elitists and raiders can already look up your API and REQUIRE it, do you feel the need to fight against an “inspect player” option? You’re effectively fighting against something that has no negative effect on you.
As people have already mentioned, there is no need for ‘inspection’ in a mmorpg, if you want to know what someone is wearing just ask, this benefits the community and encourages social interaction.
There are also major negatives too with inspection, you can see that all too well in games like WOW where people make judgments about other people based on the numbers they have on their items, or worse, tell people what to do uninvited based on a subjective inspection.
if you want a concrete example of this, look at the ‘only join if you have x thousand AP’ groups. Player 1 is not a very nice person, has poor skill but has farmed 12k ap, mostly through dailies. Player 2 is rejected even though he is very skilled a friendly team player but has only 2K AP. Its not hard to see where it would lead if inspection came into the mix too.
“Trying to please everyone would not only be challenging
but would also result in a product that might not satisfy anyone”- Roman Pichler, Strategize
As has already been mentioned countless times, raiders and elitists already find ways to exclude non-meta-conforming players from raids. “Post your API. If you don’t, you’re not allowed to raid with us”.
It would make it infinitely faster if we had an “inspect player” option so this process would go a lot faster.
I don’t see a single difference that adding an “inspect player” option would make, except for positive aspects. L2P MMOs guys.
NO THANKS. WHY DON’T YOU LEARN TO GW2?
I’d rather have you list reasons why the “inspect player” option is bad than simply reply to the sarcastic portion of my post.
If you can list some reasons why it’s bad, that’d be great.
No. This thread has been done time and and time and time again in the last 4 years if you want to look them up go ahead. Most people you will find are against it.
Hah, that made me laugh… thanks.
You people can’t give me a single argument as to my original statement. Why, if elitists and raiders can already look up your API and REQUIRE it, do you feel the need to fight against an “inspect player” option? You’re effectively fighting against something that has no negative effect on you.
Money and dev resources spent on something that players can already do for themselves is not spent on other things. Asking Anet to delay other things in development so that the OP can press one set of keys to inspect another player instead of pressing a different set of keys does impact, potentially, every player.
As has already been mentioned countless times, raiders and elitists already find ways to exclude non-meta-conforming players from raids. “Post your API. If you don’t, you’re not allowed to raid with us”.
It would make it infinitely faster if we had an “inspect player” option so this process would go a lot faster.
I don’t see a single difference that adding an “inspect player” option would make, except for positive aspects. L2P MMOs guys.
NO THANKS. WHY DON’T YOU LEARN TO GW2?
I’d rather have you list reasons why the “inspect player” option is bad than simply reply to the sarcastic portion of my post.
If you can list some reasons why it’s bad, that’d be great.
No. This thread has been done time and and time and time again in the last 4 years if you want to look them up go ahead. Most people you will find are against it.
Hah, that made me laugh… thanks.
You people can’t give me a single argument as to my original statement. Why, if elitists and raiders can already look up your API and REQUIRE it, do you feel the need to fight against an “inspect player” option? You’re effectively fighting against something that has no negative effect on you.
Money and dev resources spent on something that players can already do for themselves is not spent on other things. Asking Anet to delay other things in development so that the OP can press one set of keys to inspect another player instead of pressing a different set of keys does impact, potentially, every player.
Thank you! I appreciate the response, and that’s a valid concern.
However, do you know for sure that implementing this qol update would delay other projects/updates? I’m unaware as to if Anet has employees that work solely on qol updates or what part of their team works on qol aspects.
If someone wants to know what skin I’m sporting, they can screenshot and look in the wardrobe. If they cba to do that, they really don’t need to know.
Sounds sort of elitist… kinda like “I got mine, don’t even ask me what it is, nah nah na-nah nah”
e·lit·ist – adjective – favoring, advocating, or restricted to an elite.
EDIT: there’s nothing private about style… you wear it for all to see.
So, it’s elitist to think that people should get off their dead kittens and actually do something to get what they want instead of crying to the developer to give them yet another convenience feature so they can get what they want with little to no effort?
Nah. This is just another attempt to inappropriately use a buzz word to try to discredit opposition. There’s no elitism in suggesting someone use tools readily available to everyone.
I think it’s elitist to tell someone to look it up themselves when they take the time to actually whisper or message you. Because due to any number of things, they may find the wrong one: there are a number of items in the wardrobe that look similar. And if they’re wanting dye scheme as well, that can be hard as well since dyes look different on different materials.
Whispering someone is an available tool in the game.
Asking the devs to add another tool to the game is a tool that players have. It’s what these forums are for. Giving feedback and suggestions to devs and others who make the decisions on what gets added or not. To say that it’s not elistist to say that players shouldn’t ask for things because it’s not in the game already is absurd.
I never said anything about whispering. You made that up. I offered screenie, then wardrobe as an alternative to a hypothetical inspect.
So, wait. Now it’s elitist to oppose ideas? I never said people shouldn’t ask, only that I do not want the proposed feature.
You said in your own words that if players can’t screenie and look in the wardrobe to find what matches then they shouldn’t know what you’re wearing. So maybe next time work on your word choice, because to me, like it did to juno, it read if I asked you what you’re wearing you’d tell me to figure it out myself by taking a picture. Which would be an elitist response to the whisper.
Its a thread about inspect. He offered an alternative to inspect. If it were a thread about whispered requests for information, who knows what the response would be.
Not elitist unless you create a new definition for the word to apply exclusively to this situation. If there is no exclusion. If there is no elite. If the options are essentially freely available to everyone. Then it is not elitism.
Maybe you should read carefully what was said.
IndigoSundown said that and I quote:
If someone wants to know what skin I’m sporting, they can screenshot and look in the wardrobe. If they cba to do that, they really don’t need to know.
That reads to me, and to juno as well if you’ve read juno’s reply, that if someone were to ask IndigoSundown what skins and/or dyes they are sporting, that the reply would be to figure it out themselves. That to me is an elitist reply. And it also means to me that IndigoSundown would always oppose players asking for the inspect too because it’s not the player screenshotting what skin(s) he wants to figure out. Which in turn makes IndigoSundown’s reply here smack of elitism.
Which means, if IndigoSundown didn’t mean that, he needs to watch his word choice.
If there was anything wrong with my word choice, it was the assumption that people would be able to infer context. This is, after all, a thread about an inspect feature. I guess I also didn’t account for the lengths people would go to, or the strawmen they’d create, to devalue someone’s opinion. You have my profound apologies. I’ll try not to make the same “mistakes” again.
As has already been mentioned countless times, raiders and elitists already find ways to exclude non-meta-conforming players from raids. “Post your API. If you don’t, you’re not allowed to raid with us”.
It would make it infinitely faster if we had an “inspect player” option so this process would go a lot faster.
I don’t see a single difference that adding an “inspect player” option would make, except for positive aspects. L2P MMOs guys.
NO THANKS. WHY DON’T YOU LEARN TO GW2?
I’d rather have you list reasons why the “inspect player” option is bad than simply reply to the sarcastic portion of my post.
If you can list some reasons why it’s bad, that’d be great.
No. This thread has been done time and and time and time again in the last 4 years if you want to look them up go ahead. Most people you will find are against it.
Hah, that made me laugh… thanks.
You people can’t give me a single argument as to my original statement. Why, if elitists and raiders can already look up your API and REQUIRE it, do you feel the need to fight against an “inspect player” option? You’re effectively fighting against something that has no negative effect on you.
Money and dev resources spent on something that players can already do for themselves is not spent on other things. Asking Anet to delay other things in development so that the OP can press one set of keys to inspect another player instead of pressing a different set of keys does impact, potentially, every player.
Thank you! I appreciate the response, and that’s a valid concern.
However, do you know for sure that implementing this qol update would delay other projects/updates? I’m unaware as to if Anet has employees that work solely on qol updates or what part of their team works on qol aspects.
The only way that working on this would not delay something else is if there are devs sitting around doing nothing. I really hope that is not the case. Switching devs from one QoL feature to another delays the first one.
If someone wants to know what skin I’m sporting, they can screenshot and look in the wardrobe. If they cba to do that, they really don’t need to know.
Sounds sort of elitist… kinda like “I got mine, don’t even ask me what it is, nah nah na-nah nah”
e·lit·ist – adjective – favoring, advocating, or restricted to an elite.
EDIT: there’s nothing private about style… you wear it for all to see.
So, it’s elitist to think that people should get off their dead kittens and actually do something to get what they want instead of crying to the developer to give them yet another convenience feature so they can get what they want with little to no effort?
Nah. This is just another attempt to inappropriately use a buzz word to try to discredit opposition. There’s no elitism in suggesting someone use tools readily available to everyone.
I think it’s elitist to tell someone to look it up themselves when they take the time to actually whisper or message you. Because due to any number of things, they may find the wrong one: there are a number of items in the wardrobe that look similar. And if they’re wanting dye scheme as well, that can be hard as well since dyes look different on different materials.
Whispering someone is an available tool in the game.
Asking the devs to add another tool to the game is a tool that players have. It’s what these forums are for. Giving feedback and suggestions to devs and others who make the decisions on what gets added or not. To say that it’s not elistist to say that players shouldn’t ask for things because it’s not in the game already is absurd.
I never said anything about whispering. You made that up. I offered screenie, then wardrobe as an alternative to a hypothetical inspect.
So, wait. Now it’s elitist to oppose ideas? I never said people shouldn’t ask, only that I do not want the proposed feature.
You said in your own words that if players can’t screenie and look in the wardrobe to find what matches then they shouldn’t know what you’re wearing. So maybe next time work on your word choice, because to me, like it did to juno, it read if I asked you what you’re wearing you’d tell me to figure it out myself by taking a picture. Which would be an elitist response to the whisper.
Its a thread about inspect. He offered an alternative to inspect. If it were a thread about whispered requests for information, who knows what the response would be.
Not elitist unless you create a new definition for the word to apply exclusively to this situation. If there is no exclusion. If there is no elite. If the options are essentially freely available to everyone. Then it is not elitism.
Maybe you should read carefully what was said.
IndigoSundown said that and I quote:
If someone wants to know what skin I’m sporting, they can screenshot and look in the wardrobe. If they cba to do that, they really don’t need to know.
That reads to me, and to juno as well if you’ve read juno’s reply, that if someone were to ask IndigoSundown what skins and/or dyes they are sporting, that the reply would be to figure it out themselves. That to me is an elitist reply. And it also means to me that IndigoSundown would always oppose players asking for the inspect too because it’s not the player screenshotting what skin(s) he wants to figure out. Which in turn makes IndigoSundown’s reply here smack of elitism.
Which means, if IndigoSundown didn’t mean that, he needs to watch his word choice.
If there was anything wrong with my word choice, it was the assumption that people would be able to infer context. This is, after all, a thread about an inspect feature. I guess I also didn’t account for the lengths people would go to, or the strawmen they’d create, to devalue someone’s opinion. You have my profound apologies. I’ll try not to make the same “mistakes” again.
I didn’t twist your words to devalue your opinion. I let you know how I interpreted your post based on my experiences. Because different people have different experiences, everyone will interpret things slightly differently. At least one other person reading this thread interpreted your post the same basic way as me.
That your comment told me that if I whispered you in game for your skins that you’d reply that I should screenshot it and figure it out myself. Which to me and to that other person comes off as elitist.
So I said that if you didn’t mean to say that you’d tell people to figure it out themselves if they whispered you, that you may want to watch your word choice.
I didn’t twist your words to devalue your opinion. I let you know how I interpreted your post based on my experiences. Because different people have different experiences, everyone will interpret things slightly differently. At least one other person reading this thread interpreted your post the same basic way as me.
That your comment told me that if I whispered you in game for your skins that you’d reply that I should screenshot it and figure it out myself. Which to me and to that other person comes off as elitist.
So I said that if you didn’t mean to say that you’d tell people to figure it out themselves if they whispered you, that you may want to watch your word choice.
I shall consider your words. It does seem a shame, though, that in posting an opinion about a convenience feature I should have to add a disclaimer that my opinion about the feature should not be construed to mean I would apply the same rationale to social interaction. If I’m to be expected to ensure others don’t take my post out of context, would it not also be fair to ask those other posters to consider that context before jumping to conclusions?
If someone wants to know what skin I’m sporting, they can screenshot and look in the wardrobe. If they cba to do that, they really don’t need to know.
Sounds sort of elitist… kinda like “I got mine, don’t even ask me what it is, nah nah na-nah nah”
e·lit·ist – adjective – favoring, advocating, or restricted to an elite.
EDIT: there’s nothing private about style… you wear it for all to see.
So, it’s elitist to think that people should get off their dead kittens and actually do something to get what they want instead of crying to the developer to give them yet another convenience feature so they can get what they want with little to no effort?
Nah. This is just another attempt to inappropriately use a buzz word to try to discredit opposition. There’s no elitism in suggesting someone use tools readily available to everyone.
I think it’s elitist to tell someone to look it up themselves when they take the time to actually whisper or message you. Because due to any number of things, they may find the wrong one: there are a number of items in the wardrobe that look similar. And if they’re wanting dye scheme as well, that can be hard as well since dyes look different on different materials.
Whispering someone is an available tool in the game.
Asking the devs to add another tool to the game is a tool that players have. It’s what these forums are for. Giving feedback and suggestions to devs and others who make the decisions on what gets added or not. To say that it’s not elistist to say that players shouldn’t ask for things because it’s not in the game already is absurd.
I never said anything about whispering. You made that up. I offered screenie, then wardrobe as an alternative to a hypothetical inspect.
So, wait. Now it’s elitist to oppose ideas? I never said people shouldn’t ask, only that I do not want the proposed feature.
You said in your own words that if players can’t screenie and look in the wardrobe to find what matches then they shouldn’t know what you’re wearing. So maybe next time work on your word choice, because to me, like it did to juno, it read if I asked you what you’re wearing you’d tell me to figure it out myself by taking a picture. Which would be an elitist response to the whisper.
Its a thread about inspect. He offered an alternative to inspect. If it were a thread about whispered requests for information, who knows what the response would be.
Not elitist unless you create a new definition for the word to apply exclusively to this situation. If there is no exclusion. If there is no elite. If the options are essentially freely available to everyone. Then it is not elitism.
Maybe you should read carefully what was said.
IndigoSundown said that and I quote:
If someone wants to know what skin I’m sporting, they can screenshot and look in the wardrobe. If they cba to do that, they really don’t need to know.
That reads to me, and to juno as well if you’ve read juno’s reply, that if someone were to ask IndigoSundown what skins and/or dyes they are sporting, that the reply would be to figure it out themselves. That to me is an elitist reply. And it also means to me that IndigoSundown would always oppose players asking for the inspect too because it’s not the player screenshotting what skin(s) he wants to figure out. Which in turn makes IndigoSundown’s reply here smack of elitism.
Which means, if IndigoSundown didn’t mean that, he needs to watch his word choice.
This is a thread about allowing players to EXAMINE (title) your stuff. He replied in kind. Idk why you two are so hot to put words in someone’s mouth.
it’s this luck based mystic toilet that we’re all so sick of flushing our money down. -Salamol
I already have ppl able to follow me with no permission, this would give them the power to now spy on my build/gear/‘style’ from afar with no permission. …I rather like my privacy. And yes I saw a lot of “You wear it for all the public to see” Yea I do, but I also just cannot run around naked can I? And I won’t wear something ‘ugly’ that i don’t find appealing either.
As far as the style thing goes…I’ve had someone ask me once in game bout mine. And then show up the next day completely copying it. Down to character model face color and kitten. LOL rather disappointed with that.(Specially cause I’m an Rper) Yea, Anet owns all the rights. But.. It did take me time to find something I myself thought of as unique and they made it, Un-unique.
I got no problem if people ask up front, I’ll say what It is I’m using and what dyes I’m using as well. And sometimes it can create a friendship, because it Keeps people TALKING to each other. Which I feel is important rather then snooping from afar to get the same result even if it is easier.
Bottom line: It’s invasive. I don’t support and want it in this game , that’s for sure.
Simple
Go to settings. Select ‘allow gear check’ turn off. Fixed
What happens when you try to join a group and they say you have to turn it on or you can’t join?
Then theyre stupid people. My question is, why dont you want others to see what youre wearing. If youre wearing paladin armor and hide it, youre the villain. What i mean is, the average group knows the difference between meta, best, good, decent, bad and poor stats. If you run bad or poor stats you were gonna hold the party back regardless of them knowing the stats. They will either notice/think you have bad gear, or a bad rotation and kick you. You chose to hide that knowledge.
(Ps, by paladin gear i mean any stat set that needlessly replaces an offensive stat with defensive stats)
“you’re the villain”?! LOL I have known plenty of bad groups that want to gear check because they can’t succeed without certain gear. That doesn’t mean the gear is actually necessary if someone knows how to play.
it’s this luck based mystic toilet that we’re all so sick of flushing our money down. -Salamol
I didn’t twist your words to devalue your opinion. I let you know how I interpreted your post based on my experiences. Because different people have different experiences, everyone will interpret things slightly differently. At least one other person reading this thread interpreted your post the same basic way as me.
That your comment told me that if I whispered you in game for your skins that you’d reply that I should screenshot it and figure it out myself. Which to me and to that other person comes off as elitist.
So I said that if you didn’t mean to say that you’d tell people to figure it out themselves if they whispered you, that you may want to watch your word choice.
I shall consider your words. It does seem a shame, though, that in posting an opinion about a convenience feature I should have to add a disclaimer that my opinion about the feature should not be construed to mean I would apply the same rationale to social interaction. If I’m to be expected to ensure others don’t take my post out of context, would it not also be fair to ask those other posters to consider that context before jumping to conclusions?
I’m not expecting you to make sure others don’t take your post out of context. I’m asking you when you see someone take something you said and thinks it means something else for you to stop and read your post and see if you can’t see how they got to the conclusion they did. I’m finding it hard to believe that you can’t see how juno and I have reached the conclusion we did on your post.
I can see that you probably meant to imply that if the person doesn’t want to ask someone what skins they were wearing that if they can’t be bothered to figure it out for themselves then tough luck.
But without posting what I did, I had no way of knowing that my conclusion was wrong. Because I don’t know you well enough to know that you wouldn’t have a problem with someone asking what skins you’re using. Someone else in this thread does and would likely tell someone who whispered them to figure it out themselves because they’re afraid others will steal their style. So I took what you said at face value, not being able to know that you meant it only if they weren’t willing to ask you.
I already have ppl able to follow me with no permission, this would give them the power to now spy on my build/gear/‘style’ from afar with no permission. …I rather like my privacy. And yes I saw a lot of “You wear it for all the public to see” Yea I do, but I also just cannot run around naked can I? And I won’t wear something ‘ugly’ that i don’t find appealing either.
As far as the style thing goes…I’ve had someone ask me once in game bout mine. And then show up the next day completely copying it. Down to character model face color and kitten. LOL rather disappointed with that.(Specially cause I’m an Rper) Yea, Anet owns all the rights. But.. It did take me time to find something I myself thought of as unique and they made it, Un-unique.
I got no problem if people ask up front, I’ll say what It is I’m using and what dyes I’m using as well. And sometimes it can create a friendship, because it Keeps people TALKING to each other. Which I feel is important rather then snooping from afar to get the same result even if it is easier.
Bottom line: It’s invasive. I don’t support and want it in this game , that’s for sure.
Simple
Go to settings. Select ‘allow gear check’ turn off. Fixed
What happens when you try to join a group and they say you have to turn it on or you can’t join?
Then theyre stupid people. My question is, why dont you want others to see what youre wearing. If youre wearing paladin armor and hide it, youre the villain. What i mean is, the average group knows the difference between meta, best, good, decent, bad and poor stats. If you run bad or poor stats you were gonna hold the party back regardless of them knowing the stats. They will either notice/think you have bad gear, or a bad rotation and kick you. You chose to hide that knowledge.
(Ps, by paladin gear i mean any stat set that needlessly replaces an offensive stat with defensive stats)
“you’re the villain”?! LOL I have known plenty of bad groups that want to gear check because they can’t succeed without certain gear. That doesn’t mean the gear is actually necessary if someone knows how to play.
I know what you mean
Skill > Gear.
But if you intentionally wear a counterintuitive set of stats, and hide it from your teammates, I find that villanous. I don’t say that you’re not allowed to wear anything else, but if they ask, and you don’t reply in kind, then you’re withholding information that can jeapordize success.
I didn’t twist your words to devalue your opinion. I let you know how I interpreted your post based on my experiences. Because different people have different experiences, everyone will interpret things slightly differently. At least one other person reading this thread interpreted your post the same basic way as me.
That your comment told me that if I whispered you in game for your skins that you’d reply that I should screenshot it and figure it out myself. Which to me and to that other person comes off as elitist.
So I said that if you didn’t mean to say that you’d tell people to figure it out themselves if they whispered you, that you may want to watch your word choice.
I shall consider your words. It does seem a shame, though, that in posting an opinion about a convenience feature I should have to add a disclaimer that my opinion about the feature should not be construed to mean I would apply the same rationale to social interaction. If I’m to be expected to ensure others don’t take my post out of context, would it not also be fair to ask those other posters to consider that context before jumping to conclusions?
I’m not expecting you to make sure others don’t take your post out of context. I’m asking you when you see someone take something you said and thinks it means something else for you to stop and read your post and see if you can’t see how they got to the conclusion they did. I’m finding it hard to believe that you can’t see how juno and I have reached the conclusion we did on your post.
I can see that you probably meant to imply that if the person doesn’t want to ask someone what skins they were wearing that if they can’t be bothered to figure it out for themselves then tough luck.
But without posting what I did, I had no way of knowing that my conclusion was wrong. Because I don’t know you well enough to know that you wouldn’t have a problem with someone asking what skins you’re using. Someone else in this thread does and would likely tell someone who whispered them to figure it out themselves because they’re afraid others will steal their style. So I took what you said at face value, not being able to know that you meant it only if they weren’t willing to ask you.
You could have assumed I was talking about the thread topic? That would have been “taking it at face value.” To be done with this tangent (hopefully) if I post in a thread without quoting someone who is creating a tangential discussion, then please assume I am addressing the topic and only the topic. To be fair to you, a different poster made the first erroneous assumption about my opposition, and I’ve no idea how coming into an ongoing discussion affected your assumptions. It’s my hope we can lay the tangent to rest and get back to discussing the merits (or lack thereof) of the requested feature.
My question is, why dont you want others to see what youre wearing. If youre wearing paladin armor and hide it, youre the villain.
Thanks for illustrating exactly why gear inspect is a bad idea.
It’s exactly because some people have this very mindset.
Well, if someone asks you when you’re in a dungeon, fractal, or raid and you tell them you’re wearing something you’re not, then you are a villain. One shouldn’t lie to avoid having to finding a group that will take you no matter what gear/build you’re using.
Players should just be honest with what they’re wearing and what build they have.
Don’t care for inspecting other players’ stats or build but would love an option to see what armour skin or outfit they are wearing. As a new player I see so many interesting looking characters but have no idea what exactly is it that they wear and often can’t ask them as they’re either busy with something or AFK.
Players should just be honest with what they’re wearing and what build they have.
Remember the good old times of magic find gear? Players using chat codes, or using a different armor set with same skin, to post different stats that what they were actually wearing.
If inspecting didn’t happen back then, when the situation was actually terrible, it won’t happen now, because now it doesn’t really matter. And they found a better solution for the problem called “Magic Find”, they removed it. Maybe they should remove useless stat combinations like Nomad from the game, but really who actually uses that other than to troll people?
Now for the skin inspection it would be fun to have it, however only if it doesn’t take any time from other vastly more important things.
if they add that i would like have an option to disable it, so you cant see me and i cant see you (because i dont care what you wear and wont ever use this but i care you trying to look at me)
My question is, why dont you want others to see what youre wearing. If youre wearing paladin armor and hide it, youre the villain.
Thanks for illustrating exactly why gear inspect is a bad idea.
It’s exactly because some people have this very mindset.
Well, if someone asks you when you’re in a dungeon, fractal, or raid and you tell them you’re wearing something you’re not, then you are a villain. One shouldn’t lie to avoid having to finding a group that will take you no matter what gear/build you’re using.
Players should just be honest with what they’re wearing and what build they have.
My question is, why dont you want others to see what youre wearing. If youre wearing paladin armor and hide it, youre the villain.
Thanks for illustrating exactly why gear inspect is a bad idea.
It’s exactly because some people have this very mindset.
Well, if someone asks you when you’re in a dungeon, fractal, or raid and you tell them you’re wearing something you’re not, then you are a villain. One shouldn’t lie to avoid having to finding a group that will take you no matter what gear/build you’re using.
Players should just be honest with what they’re wearing and what build they have.
That was exactly my (poorly worded) meaning
No, what you actually said is that you running paladin-type suboptimal statset makes you a villain. And that the only reason why you’d might want others not to inspect you is because you are a villain and trying to hide it.
(which, additionally, clearly shows that a choice whether to allow others to inspect you or not will change nothing about this suggestion)
Actions, not words.
Remember, remember, 15th of November
Read the title and popped some pop corn because i know this was going to be a good read. Thanks for not disappointing me very entertaining.
Pass the Salt and butter please, I’m running low.-*My apologies, couldn’t resist.
But seriously…
Gear stats=NO
Skins and dyes=YES
I read many good ‘arguments’ for the pros and cons of this kind of feature, but I am sad to see the re occurring theme seems to be pointing and yelling ‘LIAR!’ before someone even answers the question of what stats they are using in game?- That isn’t very community, or trust building to me.
Who would even want to play in these teams of ‘raiders-dungeoners-fractual’ with the toxicity just displayed here on a forum about an idea the OP listed?
I have Splinter Barrage- I am a Ritualist.
I have a pet- I am a Ranger.
I have Avatar of Balthazar- I am a Dervish.
