Guild Wars 2

Kratos.7948:

Ayrilana.1396:

Online polls are very unreliable as they are very prone to issues such as sampling bias, sample size, and so on. Any results that either side of the issue present should not be taken as accurate.

This is true for any survey conducted using any method. However, they all still show the same general trend.
An example using wine.

There’s also no reason to believe that this poll has been ‘bombarded’ by one side.

I can post a survey in the dungeon forum about whether there should or shouldn’t be more difficult dungeons. If most of the people say yes, does this represent the entire player base?

Except, this wasn’t a poll conducted on a “give us an expansion pack” or a pro-expansion forum, or any of that kind of bias which you seem to believe exists. It was a poll conducted on a forum of 98,000 subscribers all of whom play Guild Wars 2 in a different style and have very different opinions.

The best way to collect results would be a poll conducted in-game by ArenaNet. A poll that would be IP limited to one vote to prevent users with multiple accounts voting multiple times.

There are ways to conduct servers to reduce the effects of the errors that could occur. This was not done for that survey. The subscriber size of the reddit page you mentioned doesn’t matter. How many of those subscribers took the poll? How many of those subscribers still play the game? What percentage of those subscribers represent the entire player population?

Also, the pro-expansion people are making false, inaccurate assumptions about those that oppose them. I really doubt that anyone is against additional content in this game whether it be expansions or more frequent and larger living story updates that encompass more than just a story.

What I see a lot of the people labeled as “anti-expansion” is not that they don’t want the expansion but that it won’t change anything. People will still blast through that content and demand more months later. Do you also believe that Anet is capable of doing an expansion? Since March, we’ve only had 7 living story releases. Unless there’s a team doing an expansion in the background like some have speculated, I doubt it’s probable.

There’s also a lot of suggested to be considered an expansion that really is feasible given the framework Anet has created for this game. How could they had additional classes which don’t overlap the ones in this game? What skills could they add that don’t overlap what’s already existing right now?

ProtoGunner.4953:

Yes, we need it. We need content. The industry’s standard is ‘deliver and deliver and deliver till they choke on it!’. MMOs do this, GW2 doesn’t! They don’t listen to what the people want, the player base is getting smaller and smaller, people already forgot about this game. The income is getting worse and worse – just check the report from NCSoft. All my real world friends left since there was and is not much left to do. And it’s like 2+ years.

Where is your metrics for this game getting smaller and smaller because there is none that exist, since their is no sub fee. All because your friends left the game doesn’t mean the game has gotten any smaller.

aspirine.6852:

IllegalChocolate.6938:

aspirine.6852:

In the meanwhile Anet has to think of how to keep an expansion work without touching the max level cap. I am really curious how they are going to do this.

factions, nightfall, and eye of the north did not touch the level cap

Oh yeah I know the old team could do it. That team was pure awesome. But there are none of them around anymore

There are tons of them left over man, I don’t know where you get your information from but its fairly easy to accomplish “leave things the way they are and don’t provide a higher lvl. cap.”

*New Zones- that are important
*New Meta Events to cycle
*New Classes to play
*New Skills for former classes
*New Weapons to play with
*New Skins to unlock
*New PvP modes
*New WvW Elements
*New Raids Instances
*New Gameplay Social elements

Luna.9640:

Xenon.4537:

The OP (the bolded part anyway) is a steaming pile of hyperbole. I would be happy with 5% of what he mentioned in an expansion. That 5% would still be more than what the LS has given us.

And how much you are willing to pay for 5% of what I’ve listed ? (5% is close to Dry Top+Silverwastes+Aetherblade path+Marionette fight+ maybe the latest fragtals)

So how much you pay for that ? (10$ ?)

I never said I wasn’t willing to pay for content. There’s $50 burning a hold in my wallet for an expansion. A real expansion. I would never pay for piecemeal junk like Aetherblade path or the Marrionette fight. I hate paying for content piecemeal.

If you want my personal definition of an expansion here you go:

• New continent (roughly 10 open world maps)
• New world boss events (on par with triple trouble wurm)
• 3-5 new dungeons
• One new armor set and weapon set per dungeon
• A cohesive storyline with a complete beginning, middle, and end. Totaling at least 10 hours of story-driven gameplay.
• 1 new playable race

~~~ PLUS~~~

Either

• A new type of weapon per class
• 5-10 new traits per class
• 3-5 new utility skills per class
• 1 new elite skill per class

Or

• 1 new playable class

This is really the bare minimum that countless other games have given in their expansions. There’s no reason Anet can’t do the same. They’ve done it in GW1. Anet has some of the greatest artists in the industry. Personally I think it’s a tragedy that their talent is kept on such a short leash in GW2.

Being honest, we need a new campaign and not an expansion.

For those are are saying that Factions and Nightfalls are expansions, they are not, stop calling them expansions, stop calling yourself a GW1 player if you call them expansion, they are campaigns. Please, stop it, it hurts my heart when they are called expansion. Just stop it:
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Campaign

Under ANet, they only delivered 2 expansion: EoTN and Bonus missions, being honest, as an old player that had fun of playing it all, EoTN does feel like LW. I would even say that LW took me more time to complete (from season 1 and 2) than all EoTN. The only difference is that EoTN had a beginning and end when it was delivered. It took me a couple of hours to finish the full story in EoTN. First time around it took me no more than a weekend.

Now, regarding campaigns, they might or might not solve it. It all depends on how they deliver. Pretty sure that a couple of months later, if they ever release a new campaign, we will be having this topics all over again. How they didn’t add A or B, how they added C and D which “me and my RLF friends” hated or is out of place, how I was expecting a unicorn to appear halfway through the story but got a kitten iguana, etc. I won’t deny it would be a refresh start to the series. Seeing more places that I once love and liked. Being amazed on what 250 years did to the other continents. You know: How bad did Elona get since Palo; what has happen to our lovely luxon turtle tanks; Did Koss have children? and so on.

Being honest, anything they give us is a short term solution (expansion, campaign, the unicorn). I personally feel LW is a good solution for the long term, since it gives us constant updates. I GET IT, they might be short (and boy were the last 2 short), but at least I know that in 2 weeks I will have something new to do (except for their breaks).

Would I want a BTP campaign instead of LW? Yes. Do you want a year to 3 of silence and only bug patches in exchange of LW? No. Want 100thousand dollars? Yes, but it has nothing to do with the subject. Would I prefer a LW that eventually gave a campaign or expansion worth of material? Yes, like the idea of it being interactive.

Angry commenter: “OMG, but I want it now, it’s not real content since it isn’t long. It’s not complete ‘cause it doesn’t have an ending. OMG the cliffhangers sucks”. Bet you must hate any TV. series, books series, game series or movie sagas. They let you with constant cliffhangers. Tend to not respect source material. Have huge plot holes between parts. Multiple plot twist to the point that I think that it becomes laughable (especially in animes/mangas). They make you wait more than what LW makes you wait to know what happens next. Yep, sounds like a nightmare if you are having such an issue with following the LW.

So yeah, I understand LW it doesn’t feel like an expansion/campaign since we are getting small parts.
As a side note, read someone said: We’ve only seen 1 dragon barely going for the second in 2 years. Do me a favor and understand lore and context.
a) Dragons are meant to be the biggest thread we can face (from our point of view).
b) They are just awakening.
c) They must feel like a huge threat, something that should take more than a year to overcome.
d) Zhaitan’s boss battle sucked, but at least seeing in a bigger context, it does make sense that we needed the ultimate airship with top kitten nal to bring him down rather than having 5 random people poking their way to victory. They should’ve made it more interactive though.
e) Each dragon should be a campaign worth of material, not a LW season worth of material (unless that season took around 2~3 years to complete, with at least a year hindering/weakening the dragon, which seems to be the case… so far).

TL:DR → I love chipotle and keep being sexy.

expansion means huge changes or new contents
gw2 want to try consistent contents but the consistent contents isnt moving that fast =X

Xenon.4537:

Vayne.8563:

Astralporing.1957:

munkiman.3068:

Pretty sure his point was EotN was the only expansion, Factions and Nightfall were stand alone games which didn’t require owning the others. Also, EotN only expanded Prophecies. I think his hope would be the same/similar model to the first game.

The fact that Factions and Nightfall could be played as a standalone game doesn’t mean they weren’t expansions. They were both. Saying that they weren’t “true expansions” suggests that they were less than that, where in truth they were far more.
So, GW1 did have three expansions. Two of which could be also played as separate games.

It’s true that the original standalone games Nightfall and Factions were also expansions. They added both skills and character professions to the game as well as a ton of new areas, and even, in the case of Factions, new types of PvP.

No one can say that Factions and Nightfall didn’t expand Guild Wars significantly even if they were also stand alone games.

Oh my god, thank you Vayne. You have no idea how much it drives me crazy when people try to act like Factions and Nightfall weren’t expansions. They were stand-alone, but they still expanded on the original game.

Why does this drive you crazy? They were separate campaigns. That wasn’t even the point at all…

I hate to even talk semantics, but those were stand-alone games, period. The original post that kicked this off was that he/she thought it be a nice add to the GW2 universe. I knew plenty of people that didn’t have prophecies and only had factions or nightfall. It was actually a really good mechanism, since they were themed differently, to cater to a wider audience and get them to buy the rest of the series. It was never about the expanded content, but the delivery of said content.

Yes, they (Factions and Nightfall) expanded Prophecies, but only if you owned Prophecies, which you weren’t required to own. The only actual “expansion” was in prophecies, which was EotN, which wasn’t a stand alone game.

Straight facts, stand-alone, versus you must own x game to get z content. Very, very different things.

Nice editing on the titel.

The question is now, why would anyone else care?

Ayrilana.1396:

There are ways to conduct servers to reduce the effects of the errors that could occur. This was not done for that survey. The subscriber size of the reddit page you mentioned doesn’t matter. How many of those subscribers took the poll? How many of those subscribers still play the game? What percentage of those subscribers represent the entire player population?

You are aware of the idea in statistics that as the sample size increases the sample mean looks more and more like the population mean, right? Unless you have solid evidence that this poll is heavily manipulated, contains severe errors, or was given to a community with only a single viewpoint, it will remain true for this poll. This is why things like margins of error, confidence intervals, etc, exist.

Read more about it here.

Additionally, your questions/concerns are arbitrary and would only serve to add ambiguity rather than reduce it. I could add dozens of questions based on this question alone:

How many of those subscribers still play the game?

How many players quit the game due to busyness with general life?
How many players are planning to come back regardless of the state of the game?
How many players quit for reason X?
How many players quit for reason Y?
How many players that quit played the game enough to pass a judgment based on content amount?
How many people quit because they believe to completed all of the non-cosmetic content?

You cannot answer these questions.

And the question is pretty pointless because the game was designed: a player that quits today and restarts next month is on the same page as a player who never quit at all, current and ex-players are equal.

Can you provide a source to back your claims that online polls in terrible? Because all I’m finding is that in many cases they’re better at reducing error, they’re generally the same, or are not that different.

I’m only going to address this part of your post, because the remaining three paragraphs are nothing but your opinion on the entire expansion debate. I did not ask for your opinion on the debate, nor do I care for it.

Kratos.7948:

Ayrilana.1396:

There are ways to conduct servers to reduce the effects of the errors that could occur. This was not done for that survey. The subscriber size of the reddit page you mentioned doesn’t matter. How many of those subscribers took the poll? How many of those subscribers still play the game? What percentage of those subscribers represent the entire player population?

You are aware of the idea in statistics that as the sample size increases the sample mean looks more and more like the population mean, right? Unless you have solid evidence that this poll is heavily manipulated, contains severe errors, or was given to a community with only a single viewpoint, it will remain true for this poll. This is why things like margins of error, confidence intervals, etc, exist.

Read more about it here.

Additionally, your questions/concerns are arbitrary and would only serve to add ambiguity rather than reduce it. I could add dozens of questions based on this question alone:

How many of those subscribers still play the game?

How many players quit the game due to busyness with general life?
How many players are planning to come back regardless of the state of the game?
How many players quit for reason X?
How many players quit for reason Y?
How many players that quit played the game enough to pass a judgment based on content amount?
How many people quit because they believe to completed all of the non-cosmetic content?

You cannot answer these questions.

And the question is pretty pointless because the game was designed: a player that quits today and restarts next month is on the same page as a player who never quit at all, current and ex-players are equal.

Can you provide a source to back your claims that online polls in terrible? Because all I’m finding is that in many cases they’re better at reducing error, they’re generally the same, or are not that different.

I’m only going to address this part of your post, because the remaining three paragraphs are nothing but your opinion on the entire expansion debate. I did not ask for your opinion on the debate, nor do I care for it.

I’m fully aware of the measures such as margin of error and confidence level. My questions were just examples of some of the issues that could come up.. My statement about online polls was a generalized one regarding all online polls. Most polls that I see have been conducted using a highly biased population sample towards a particular side of an issue. You see these in polarized news websites.

I addressed the survey itself with the rest of my post. I don’t deny the results (they’re for the most part what I expected from that question) but I was surprised that the percentage that said no was as high as it was.

Just got to say that the “month or so for casuals” is still too short of an estimate. As a casual, I can tell you it took me two months to get one character to level 80 and two years to get my legendary. Casuals will never run out of content. <3

ildjarn.7321:

I’ve been playing since betas and saw the free fall after first months of release and steady downhill after that.

Community has been very clear: STOP THE GOD kitten LIVING STORY AND GIVE USE THE GOD kitten EXPANSION PACKS. NO MORE STORY CRAP. GIVE US NEW DUNGEONS, NEW ARENAS. GIVE US SOMETHING NEW.

Stop playing around Anet. If you cant afford data analyser here one tip for free: YOU ARE LOSING, PLAYERS ARE QUITTING.

What is Anets recipe for 2 years of steady downhill? More of the same. More of same stuff that makes people quit in first place. Its like you want to kill this game.

I suspect they can afford a data analyzer or two, and what they’re seeing is just not at all what you’re saying. Living Story has been quite successful, especially this season, and frankly, if you still think this game needs an expansion, you couldn’t be more wrong. There’s just no way to justify an expansion at this point. Living Story can do anything an expansion could do for GW2, it just won’t be all at once, and you get it for free.

I don’t really want an expansion. The map is big enough already. If people did the DE’s that were there they would not be so bored. I think that may be largely behind the new reward system replacing monthies/dailies. It gets people in an area and playing.