Guild Wars 2

Before selling our product, we need to know our potential buyers.

Who will buy our product in the gems store?

1. Rich people. They are the whales of MMOs. Rich adult, rich kid, they love mmo and will do anything to be special in it.

Developer should love and respect the rich because they are the core suppoters of mmos.

The rich is the one who support game the most. They allowed developer to make game become free to play with cash shop. Without them, the only way to gain money is to introduce subscription based models.

Sub based mmo truly flawed, it kills the player populations and making mmo becoming less players. In the other hand, free to play mmorpg is like a social media platform, people hang out and chatting in map chat. This is how mmo become alive and strong.

What the rich want? they want beauty and power for exchange of money. They want more cosmetic items and legendary gear on the cash shop. They want to look bad kitten while pawning 1v10 pugs and upload it on their youtube channel to show the public how awesome they are.

GW2 SPVP was genius. Its combine MOBA esport element in an mmo, never such ideas exist before. From what i see, GW2 follow the idea of league of legend (lol), where you buy hero/skills/expansion in order to use them in the competitive scene.

While its not a bad idea, i am more interested on dota 2 idea. Its more balanced, where free player can play any hero he wanted to.

2. Normal adult. Normal adult who love mmorpg and treat it as their hobby will spent money on the game.

While the money they spend is not as much as the rich did, they still supporting the game.

Normal adult doesn’t want power, because they know, the rich will outplay them in that area. So normal adult just want cosmetic.

Things like cool looking armor, weapons, mounts, pets, character faces, hairstyles.

Now, while this Rich people and normal adult who supporting game the most, they are reason for them to do so.

1. The game not dead. Thanks to free players who populate the game, the rich and normal adult can have a ‘social media’ platform to show off and socialize.

Lets take a look on free players. why they don’t pay for the game?

1. They are student, no money, just some money for good pc and Internet.

2. they have economic crisis.

Making the game free to play with SPVP MOBA ESPORT things, give ‘fun’ to free players that will last forever in their memories.

When the free players who is student grow up and become the ‘normal adult’ they will continue to supporting the game, hence even buying the future ‘Guild War 3’

So what we should put in a Gems Store?

1. Cosmetics. Cool weapon and armor (Check Tera online for some awesome stylish armor)

2. Face pack, hair styles and body types. Why the heck everyone look the same right? More face and more hairstyle always good, make them exclusive in the gems store.

3. Mounts and pets. mount a tiger, heck even a flying dragon that can be use in pve and wvw.

4. Legendaries gear that give super power. This is for the rich, and can only be used in pve and wvw. Any form of pay to win can only be used in wvw and pve. Not SPVP (thats why i like dota 2 ideas). I dont care to be weak in wvw, its fun to watch a rich friend that can pawn 1v10 in wvw, they support the game anyway.

5. More races and classes. This can be included on an expansion pack. What makes world of warcraft so good because they have plenty of races to choose.

No.

Absolutely not.

Wrong.

No.

You basically described every “F2P” Korean MMO that floods in by the thousands. And there are reasons almost every one of them dies before anyone ever hears about them.
Some of those reasons are probably listed in your post.

If this is another what would we like in the gem store thread, I’d agree we need more variety and customization in bodies, faces and armors, outfits, and more dances, which could all be sold in the gem store. ( everyone looks so similar to me) And I would totally LOVE some stylish armor/outfits for a change like other games make. I’m sure Anet could make them too or maybe consider hiring some one who could . Something like this would be cool.

Amaimon.7823:

not sure if troll or ..
Anet went really far out of their way to give everyone, regardless of being poor or rich in real life, the same chances. Thats why legendary gear is more flexible, but not more effictive than ascended gear. So that real life poor people have a good chance at it.

Secondly, mounts? No! I don’t know how long you’ve been on the forum, but moutns get brought up once a month, only to be followed by 3-4 pages of people saying how it’s the worst idea ever.

More races and classes? No thanks, we won’t get new races because anet has trouble enough smoothing out the gear on the current 5. And we won’t get new classes, since Anet works with the elite specialization system.

Face Packs, hairstyles, these already exists. The fact that you’re requesting them shows how little research you did before writing your post. Same with cosmetic tools and weapons.

Long story short, I feel like you came from the wrong franchise to the wrong new game. Maybe games like WoW and Aeon are more up your lane if you want a P2W model.

Im not a troll. im thinking like a mmorpg developer. its my dream to be mmorpg dev team.

About facepacks. Yes gw2 has its on makeover kits. But i want more. More faces. More cosmetics

I have been in this forum since 2013.

nerovergil.5408:

Amaimon.7823:

not sure if troll or ..
Anet went really far out of their way to give everyone, regardless of being poor or rich in real life, the same chances. Thats why legendary gear is more flexible, but not more effictive than ascended gear. So that real life poor people have a good chance at it.

Secondly, mounts? No! I don’t know how long you’ve been on the forum, but moutns get brought up once a month, only to be followed by 3-4 pages of people saying how it’s the worst idea ever.

More races and classes? No thanks, we won’t get new races because anet has trouble enough smoothing out the gear on the current 5. And we won’t get new classes, since Anet works with the elite specialization system.

Face Packs, hairstyles, these already exists. The fact that you’re requesting them shows how little research you did before writing your post. Same with cosmetic tools and weapons.

Long story short, I feel like you came from the wrong franchise to the wrong new game. Maybe games like WoW and Aeon are more up your lane if you want a P2W model.

Im not a troll. im thinking like an mmorpg developer. its my dream to be mmorpg dev team.

About facepacks. Yes gw2 has its on makeover kits. But i want more. More faces. More cosmetics

I have been in this forum since 2013.

I feel like you’re from an asian country. Mostly because all of the stuff you’ve mentioned can and are almost always found in asian MMOs.

nerovergil.5408:

ElectricGoat.8253:

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Mount is not basic human need, most people at that time walked, just like you should in-game. Horses were and continue to be expensive. Right now Horses are only for rich horse-girls. Back then In Medieval times Horses were for Knights and those would can afford them. I’m not even sure why you’re mentioning this since GW2 is a fictional game where magic exists. I sure would love some magic in this real world.

You didn’t say to get rid of some waypoints, but someone was going to regardless and I cut them off preemptively.

You didn’t hear of it cause the pay to win killed the game. It killed the game, and the publisher was punished for P2W. I don’t think you are understanding just how bad western players hate P2W. They hate it with a such passion that they will voice negatively how much they dislike it to anyone that also plays games. They hate it so much they will spend large amounts of time saying how much they hate it than play a different game. Game “Journalists” will also promote how bad the P2W is and further create bad press. For a market that hates P2W with a fury of 1000 suns, that spells trouble. Maybe it doesn’t in eastern markets, but for the west that’s the way it is. That game I referenced was supposed to sell tons and tons and was supposed to be a money printer. However, once word got out that it was P2W, the game went to the discount rack because nobody wanted to touch it. I returned my copy for full refund. That is how badly the western market reacts to P2W. Players will get tired of not being able to compete against P2W and leave. Eventually enough bad reputation will be generated due to P2W status that everyone knows not to play that game and the game closes. Unsurprisingly such games that have P2W come from eastern markets? Hmmm…

P2W is not fine, it might be fine in eastern markets, but in western markets they spell doom for games. Players in the west, just. will. not. submit. to. P2W. In eastern markets maybe it’s not death, but this is a different market and here people want fairness and for rewards to be earned. I hear the Chinese GW2 has all the pay to win your heart desires. Oh look it also is in an eastern market. (I’m putting smileys up so you don’t think im being hostile. Tone is very important these days.)

People in the west are not brainwashed, they understand pay to win is terrible. There’s even a term for P2W games, “Cash Grab”. P2W is only good for bad, and unskilled players who want to wallet to the top, but here, you have to earn your way up. Western markets value earning your way up over buying your way up. I say this as someone who has walleted their way to the top only to leave a few months later, and yes, very unskilled. Sub games like Wow are actually on their way out, I played WoW for a while and I cancelled my sub for this game. I’ll let that speak for itself as to which game is better. I even played some P2W games, I’m here which means those games did not captivate my attention after they were revealed to be a money grab hidden under a blanket of fake-fun. Old WoW was good, but they don’t understand the market the way Anet does. Which is why Anet holds strong and firm, while WoW wanes and depletes.

Actually free players provide a very valuable service to the game by being content in and of themselves. While this seems counter-intuitive let me explain, players like me who spend money for cosmetics want to play with other players. We want to show off our cool things, and want to show what we have earned. We also need to sell things to other players. So yes, a player influx is very good for the game as it leads to full game purchases, gem purchases, and more money for Anet. Otherwise those trials would just sit on the sidelines and not purchase anything, and it’s only buy game or no buy. For some players that’s a hard choice, for others it’s a simple option.

If something is free, maybe you are the product. For facebook the users are the product, and advertisers purchase access to the product. It just also accidentally happens to also be a social media site where literally everyone is, and provides a neat feature that lets you network with your friends. Google has a similar approach, provide people a place to view videos and let advertisers pay to advertise to the viewers.

So in sum Mounts bad, P2W bad. I seriously can’t wait for you to try your hand at an MMO. I’ll be here waiting for news of your grand success. Here’s to a new millionaire!

Um no

nerovergil.5408:

ElectricGoat.8253:

nerovergil.5408:

ElectricGoat.8253:

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P2W looks bad because other mmo doesnt have SPVP MOBA ESPORT like gw2.

selling legendaries with more stats than regular exotic/ascended is some type of P2W too.

u pay and u win.

doesn’t matter the top tier gear has high different in term of power or low (like gw2 legendaries)

gw2 itself is P2W

Have you even played the game? Nowhere in the gemstore can you buy legendaries.
I’m going to assume you’re new, and please excuse me if I assume wrong, but
HINT: Most of the time you have to craft legendaries. If you pay, you get cool cosmetics and maybe some extra neat things.

I see that you don’t know too much about high gear, so again going out on a limb and assuming you’re new.
HINT: It’s a 10% difference between Exotic and Ascended and Ascended and Legendary. I’m not too sure about armor, but it would probably follow the same path. You also have to earn most of the currencies/items to craft the ascended item. Sure you could wait for it to drop, but then you could get the one you don’t want.

Mods did I miss a page on the gemstore? I think my pw2 legendaries page is missing P2W looks bad because games that DO have P2W end up dying and then people that want P2W come flooding into other games. It’s like a sickness. You know a game in the west has kicked the bucket when they rush out P2W, because at that point they are more worried about paying bills than the game itself and the game itself rapidly devaluates so they need to get money to bail on the game.

Actually plenty of mmos have that MOBA, even wow does at one point. I forgot what its called cause I no longer care or play. I’m not sure why you’re bringing this point up as this is beside your point of wanting a way to pay to win. In fact bringing this up makes your argument weaker because even there players earned what they had.
GW2 is not Pay to Win and you need to play the game, if you have not done so already. You really are missing out on an action packed, no $$$ needed adventure. I’d even go as far to say that Anet is under-pricing GW2. For as much fun as I’ve had I would’ve expected to pay $200, but all this for $50?! CRAZY. Technically I did pay that, if you count gems and all. And their business model seems to work, players like me buy gems. Also players in the west hate paywalls. You don’t understand how much they hate them. They will rage quit and tell all their gamer friends, who just so happen to be your target audience. I’ve done extensive research on MMOs and right now is not the time unless you have something truly groundbreaking. P2W out the wazoo is not groundbreaking.

Ellie.5913:

If this is another what would we like in the gem store thread, I’d agree we need more variety and customization in bodies, faces and armors, outfits, and more dances, which could all be sold in the gem store. ( everyone looks so similar to me) And I would totally LOVE some stylish armor/outfits for a change like other games make. I’m sure Anet could make them too or maybe consider hiring some one who could . Something like this would be cool.

This is not that thread. This is an information thread about what sales are happening. A red post not far above yours asks people not to debate and discuss here.

Hopefully you will see this before your post and all the following derails (which are not your fault), including this post of mine, get moved or deleted.

Donari.5237:

Ellie.5913:

If this is another what would we like in the gem store thread, I’d agree we need more variety and customization in bodies, faces and armors, outfits, and more dances, which could all be sold in the gem store. ( everyone looks so similar to me) And I would totally LOVE some stylish armor/outfits for a change like other games make. I’m sure Anet could make them too or maybe consider hiring some one who could . Something like this would be cool.

This is not that thread. This is an information thread about what sales are happening. A red post not far above yours asks people not to debate and discuss here.

Hopefully you will see this before your post and all the following derails (which are not your fault), including this post of mine, get moved or deleted.

That post, and many others was placed in this thread by a Moderator. I think they merged into the wrong thread. All the ‘derails’ were a separate thread down in GD.

ElectricGoat.8253:

nerovergil.5408:

ElectricGoat.8253:

nerovergil.5408:

ElectricGoat.8253:

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P2W looks bad because other mmo doesnt have SPVP MOBA ESPORT like gw2.

selling legendaries with more stats than regular exotic/ascended is some type of P2W too.

u pay and u win.

doesn’t matter the top tier gear has high different in term of power or low (like gw2 legendaries)

gw2 itself is P2W

Have you even played the game? Nowhere in the gemstore can you buy legendaries.
I’m going to assume you’re new, and please excuse me if I assume wrong, but
HINT: Most of the time you have to craft legendaries. If you pay, you get cool cosmetics and maybe some extra neat things.

I see that you don’t know too much about high gear, so again going out on a limb and assuming you’re new.
HINT: It’s a 10% difference between Exotic and Ascended and Ascended and Legendary. I’m not too sure about armor, but it would probably follow the same path. You also have to earn most of the currencies/items to craft the ascended item. Sure you could wait for it to drop, but then you could get the one you don’t want.

Mods did I miss a page on the gemstore? I think my pw2 legendaries page is missing P2W looks bad because games that DO have P2W end up dying and then people that want P2W come flooding into other games. It’s like a sickness. You know a game in the west has kicked the bucket when they rush out P2W, because at that point they are more worried about paying bills than the game itself and the game itself rapidly devaluates so they need to get money to bail on the game.

Actually plenty of mmos have that MOBA, even wow does at one point. I forgot what its called cause I no longer care or play. I’m not sure why you’re bringing this point up as this is beside your point of wanting a way to pay to win. In fact bringing this up makes your argument weaker because even there players earned what they had.
GW2 is not Pay to Win and you need to play the game, if you have not done so already. You really are missing out on an action packed, no $$$ needed adventure. I’d even go as far to say that Anet is under-pricing GW2. For as much fun as I’ve had I would’ve expected to pay $200, but all this for $50?! CRAZY. Technically I did pay that, if you count gems and all. And their business model seems to work, players like me buy gems. Also players in the west hate paywalls. You don’t understand how much they hate them. They will rage quit and tell all their gamer friends, who just so happen to be your target audience. I’ve done extensive research on MMOs and right now is not the time unless you have something truly groundbreaking. P2W out the wazoo is not groundbreaking.

So you have 2 option to get legendary weapon.

1. Grind it.

2. Buy Gems and convert to gold. P2W.

Anet is genius, other company fail in P2W model because their product is overpriced. Anet, not, they are not a greedy company. Anet even very generous, they give plenty of golds reward ingame (chest items that can be converted to gold)

Let see why other top mmorpg fail in P2W model?

1. Archeage.

- Fail because no megaserver. GW2 were using megaserver, that is very genius!. Megaserver make the game look populated. Archeage divide the player using server and ban any communication in map chat until u reach lvl 15. That is so stupid.

- Fail because no SPVP ESPORT. SPVP will attract moba players that will populate the game. Like gw2 did with SPVP.

- Fail because the existence of Black desert online. bdo and archeage was very similar, hence pve grind. With advance bdo graphic, they beat all other mmo on the market today.

I think BDO is so popular because it has extremely beautiful armor/outfits and extensive character customization. That’s something Anet could consider if they wanted to make more money off the gem store.

i hope outfit can split to skin
and some outfit looks realy so bad

nerovergil.5408:

ElectricGoat.8253:

nerovergil.5408:

ElectricGoat.8253:

nerovergil.5408:

ElectricGoat.8253:

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P2W looks bad because other mmo doesnt have SPVP MOBA ESPORT like gw2.

selling legendaries with more stats than regular exotic/ascended is some type of P2W too.

u pay and u win.

doesn’t matter the top tier gear has high different in term of power or low (like gw2 legendaries)

gw2 itself is P2W

Have you even played the game? Nowhere in the gemstore can you buy legendaries.
I’m going to assume you’re new, and please excuse me if I assume wrong, but
HINT: Most of the time you have to craft legendaries. If you pay, you get cool cosmetics and maybe some extra neat things.

I see that you don’t know too much about high gear, so again going out on a limb and assuming you’re new.
HINT: It’s a 10% difference between Exotic and Ascended and Ascended and Legendary. I’m not too sure about armor, but it would probably follow the same path. You also have to earn most of the currencies/items to craft the ascended item. Sure you could wait for it to drop, but then you could get the one you don’t want.

Mods did I miss a page on the gemstore? I think my pw2 legendaries page is missing P2W looks bad because games that DO have P2W end up dying and then people that want P2W come flooding into other games. It’s like a sickness. You know a game in the west has kicked the bucket when they rush out P2W, because at that point they are more worried about paying bills than the game itself and the game itself rapidly devaluates so they need to get money to bail on the game.

Actually plenty of mmos have that MOBA, even wow does at one point. I forgot what its called cause I no longer care or play. I’m not sure why you’re bringing this point up as this is beside your point of wanting a way to pay to win. In fact bringing this up makes your argument weaker because even there players earned what they had.
GW2 is not Pay to Win and you need to play the game, if you have not done so already. You really are missing out on an action packed, no $$$ needed adventure. I’d even go as far to say that Anet is under-pricing GW2. For as much fun as I’ve had I would’ve expected to pay $200, but all this for $50?! CRAZY. Technically I did pay that, if you count gems and all. And their business model seems to work, players like me buy gems. Also players in the west hate paywalls. You don’t understand how much they hate them. They will rage quit and tell all their gamer friends, who just so happen to be your target audience. I’ve done extensive research on MMOs and right now is not the time unless you have something truly groundbreaking. P2W out the wazoo is not groundbreaking.

So you have 2 option to get legendary weapon.

1. Grind it.

2. Buy Gems and convert to gold. P2W.

Anet is genius, other company fail in P2W model because their product is overpriced. Anet, not, they are not a greedy company. Anet even very generous, they give plenty of golds reward ingame (chest items that can be converted to gold)

Let see why other top mmorpg fail in P2W model?

1. Archeage.

- Fail because no megaserver. GW2 were using megaserver, that is very genius!. Megaserver make the game look populated. Archeage divide the player using server and ban any communication in map chat until u reach lvl 15. That is so stupid.

- Fail because no SPVP ESPORT. SPVP will attract moba players that will populate the game. Like gw2 did with SPVP.

- Fail because the existence of Black desert online. bdo and archeage was very similar, hence pve grind. With advance bdo graphic, they beat all other mmo on the market today.

You seriously need to get in the game and start playing it and you’ll realize that gems won’t get you very far to a legendary weapon. The currencies you need, you have to EARN them to make the legendary.

So again, not P2W.

You certainly can buy a Legendary on the Trading Post, but pay-to-win? I guess…if you consider a shiny skin P2W. It’s not like it’s any better than the equivalent Ascended weapon, other than more convenient to swap stats. It’s just shinier.

On one hand, I think Legendary Weapons shouldn’t have been in the TP, precursors sure but not the final product.

On the other they are the ultimate item type one can craft. They require a lot of mats and alternate currencies. It’s suppose to take dedication, you may call it grinding to achieve.

I feel like at the end of the day the main issue boils down to the lack of skins (in varieties which dont all follow a single trend) that are avaliable to the general public. We see so many outfits and gemstore skins which is OKAY but there should also be some unique in game skins to keep a balance. Skins and customising characters is one of the largest rewards a player can receive in an MMO and can’t be replaced with title rewards or boosters or achievements. Its about the need to look unique and stand out, and having the motivation to do so with a variety of new styles being released maybe even seasonally. Does it have to break immersion and look like a korean mmo gone wild? Not at all, but it just needs change and a larger general quantity.

(I normally make joke posts but im serious in this one)

Gw1 Hairstlyes (from cantha and elona)

More racial diversity hairstyles

Melandru outfit

We need more body types, fat, different figures, freckles or no freckles, tattoos and no tattoos, Two different color eye options……. If GW2 had better customization options from the beginning they certainly could pull in more people

How about adding hairlines to hoods? Side braids and short bob styles to hats? I don’t bother with hats, like the pirate hat that was released via gem store- because it made everyone DUN DUN DUN Bald! You’d certainly make a killing if you released and redesigned hats/ hoods to have hair/hairlines.

Ellie.5913:

I think BDO is so popular because it has extremely beautiful armor/outfits and extensive character customization. That’s something Anet could consider if they wanted to make more money off the gem store.

I agree.
Cosmetics that cater to the thematic and the fetish. Too much of the selections are a much of a muchness.