Guild Wars 2

And the Paragon. I forgot about that one.

But then everyone always forgot about the poor Paragon. :P

I think Core Game- HoT should be add to gems store. I own the base game (not a free player) and now i completly stop playing cuz i really dont want to invest money on “secondary” games while i am paying sub elsewhere. Is very discourage to know u will not be able to really try the full game when u enter a “f2p”. All those “extra bussines models names” are crap, things are F2P , B2P or P2P. Gw2 is still B2P and u get a “long beta” when u play it for free.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

And the Paragon. I forgot about that one.

But then everyone always forgot about the poor Paragon. :P

Male Paragon dance made me block all memories of it.

Valoiz.9857:

I think Core Game- HoT should be add to gems store. I own the base game (not a free player) and now i completly stop playing cuz i really dont want to invest money on “secondary” games while i am paying sub elsewhere. Is very discourage to know u will not be able to really try the full game when u enter a “f2p”. All those “extra bussines models names” are crap, things are F2P , B2P or P2P. Gw2 is still B2P and u get a “long beta” when u play it for free.

How is that supposed to convince anyone? Either they follow your suggestion and don’t get paid or they don’t and they still don’t get paid. You don’t want to spend money, you don’t get to play any expansions. It’s not even unfair.

I think that there are valid arguments on both sides of the, “is it pay to win,” argument. They have been stated so many times that I wont repeat them here.

But do the elite specs provide an advantage? Is any such advantage unfair?

I think that the answer to the first is yes and that the answer to the second is sometimes. I dont mean that the elites guarantee victory in pvp or anything of the sort, but they do provide increased combat versatility, and seem to provide more combat effectiveness. That does not completely negate the effect of player skill, but advantage exists.

The unfairness, in my opinion, lies in being put at a disadvantage in content one did in fact pay for because one did not purchase some distinctly different and seperate content.

That said, the company has to make money and this is not the first time, nor does it seem likely to be the last, that they made false or inaccurate statements as part of their efforts to market the game.

The only comment I’ll add to this, is speaking solely for myself, I am having more difficulty collecting masteries in Tyria to complete levels than I am in HOT where there are much more Masteries to collect, and an easier time doing so. Many of the masteries in core Tyria come from content I do not enjoy, or have much experience, in playing. Because of this, my EX bar has been maxed out for over a month in Tyria where as in HOT I am slowly leveling up just fine.

/shrug.

I have my own issues with the expansion, but I paid for it, and I am playing it and I still enjoy GW2.

-C

This is just going to derail even more at this rate. Let us just end this stupid debate of quite frankly ignorance from frustration. You cannot apply pay-to-win to buying an actual expansion or game. Pay-to-win is a phrase used where micro transactions can be used to gain an advantage over other players; expansions are not micro transactions.

If anyone truly believes this is not true then why don’t you take real facts into account.

When WoW releases an expansion you are no longer valid in max level play and need entirely a new set of gear. The same goes for any MMO that releases an expansion; you are thrown into a pool that cannot even participate in max level play or use your current gear in the new expansion pvp. Guild wars 1 included also released expansions where you couldn’t play the new classes or skills unless you bought the expansion. So ask yourself is this “pay-to-win”? The factual answer to the “coined term” is NO —big flat NO.

Most games that are ongoing with expansion content will always make old content obsolete, but guild wars in sense has made an advantage with minimal damage to core players.

If you do not want to buy an expansion for the game you are currently playing, then you have no right to criticize others while whining about your struggles and blame a company for wanting to expand their game. This only proves that you do not want to invest in the game, and if this is true then you are attempting to impede progress on a game that is trying to always improve. No company is going to stop producing new expansions because a few people complain that they don’t want to pay for it.

Would you rather guild wars didn’t add ANY content or ANY expansions? Because if you think this then I am sorry you are severely outnumbered by the community who does want this.

You had 3 years of this game without needing to spend more than the $50 or less you spent when you got it. Yes, getting HoT does give you an advantage over the people who don’t have it for things like PvP and WvW.

What you need to realize is that Arenanet is a company that has to make money to stay in business, things like expansion help them keep the servers up and keep paying their employees. Either get the expansion and enjoy the new content or don’t get it and don’t enjoy it lol.

The way I see it is this, if you buy a brand new car 3 years ago, then they come out with a new model that has a million more features this year, why do you feel entitled to get those million features added to your car for no cost? You won’t get it, dealer will laugh at you.

Well said, Josh. Agreed. +1

Scipion.7548:

Other games have added levels when they release xpacs so we can’t really complain about elites. There will always be new stuff to entice players to buy xpacs.

It is not the same problem. Personnaly, I’m totally ok with the fact that a HoT player has advantages. The problem for me is the fact I have HoT but I like more my “core class” than my elit spec, but I’m forced to play my elite spec because it is far more efficient …
Core class should be equal to elite. Anet should search something else to force to buy HoT, because it also hurts HoT players.

This right here.

Josh XT.6053:

You had 3 years of this game without needing to spend more than the $50 or less you spent when you got it. Yes, getting HoT does give you an advantage over the people who don’t have it for things like PvP and WvW.

What you need to realize is that Arenanet is a company that has to make money to stay in business, things like expansion help them keep the servers up and keep paying their employees. Either get the expansion and enjoy the new content or don’t get it and don’t enjoy it lol.

The way I see it is this, if you buy a brand new car 3 years ago, then they come out with a new model that has a million more features this year, why do you feel entitled to get those million features added to your car for no cost? You won’t get it, dealer will laugh at you.

I will gladly pay for more frequent expansions as long as they are a decent size like hot.

It’s more like they disabled air condition on my 3 year old car, ask me to pay the price of a brand new car to get it back, along with a GPS and a spoiler.

Yutou.2908:

It’s more like they disabled air condition on my 3 year old car, ask me to pay the price of a brand new car to get it back, along with a GPS and a spoiler.

To be clear, nothing was disabled for you by not having HoT. You just don’t get that beefier motor that can go faster and do more things essentially.

Not having it doesn’t make the game unplayable, but it makes it harder for you to compete with those who do have the expansion. Call it an engine upgrade, people who bought HoT gained a turbocharger.

Its not unfair at all,if you dont buy expansion in any MMO out there you will have huge disadvantage to fix this just buy HOT expansion it worth it

Josh XT.6053:

Yutou.2908:

It’s more like they disabled air condition on my 3 year old car, ask me to pay the price of a brand new car to get it back, along with a GPS and a spoiler.

To be clear, nothing was disabled for you by not having HoT. You just don’t get that beefier motor that can go faster and do more things essentially.

Not having it doesn’t make the game unplayable, but it makes it harder for you to compete with those who do have the expansion. Call it an engine upgrade, people who bought HoT gained a turbocharger.

Guilds were destroyed for core only players, for one thing.

Josh XT.6053:

You had 3 years of this game without needing to spend more than the $50 or less you spent when you got it. Yes, getting HoT does give you an advantage over the people who don’t have it for things like PvP and WvW.

What you need to realize is that Arenanet is a company that has to make money to stay in business, things like expansion help them keep the servers up and keep paying their employees. Either get the expansion and enjoy the new content or don’t get it and don’t enjoy it lol.

The way I see it is this, if you buy a brand new car 3 years ago, then they come out with a new model that has a million more features this year, why do you feel entitled to get those million features added to your car for no cost? You won’t get it, dealer will laugh at you.

Thats why they have a cash shop.

The elite specializations are cheap. No great effort went into tweaking some numbers and drawing class icons. They are uninspired, they are not new, they are not interesting. Cheap is all they are. If they are not OP, if they are not unfair, then why aren’t they made readily available to all players yet? Game is pay-to-win, that’s why. Even grinding for them is pointless. The longer this goes on, the longer we won’t pay after it’s fixed.

Some argue that ANet deserve to eat. Do they? I would never have guessed. Especially since they totally screwed my game after I was already paying them. So you have to make up your mind. I give you money, you kitten up the game. I don’t give you money, you don’t kitten up the game more; yet, you ask for more money. This is confusing.

I see the advantage to owning HoT, but it’s certainly not unfair; everyone has the same access to getting it and the stuff in it to be on equal terms with everyone else. If you choose to not get it or do what is necessary to get that equal footing, then you only have yourself to blame for lagging behind others that do have those extra options.

LoL NooBs.5076:

The elite specializations are cheap. No great effort went into tweaking some numbers and drawing class icons. They are uninspired, they are not new, they are not interesting. Cheap is all they are. If they are not OP, if they are not unfair, then why aren’t they made readily available to all players yet? Game is pay-to-win, that’s why. Even grinding for them is pointless. The longer this goes on, the longer we won’t pay after it’s fixed.

Some argue that ANet deserve to eat. Do they? I would never have guessed. Especially since they totally screwed my game after I was already paying them. So you have to make up your mind. I give you money, you kitten up the game. I don’t give you money, you don’t kitten up the game more; yet, you ask for more money. This is confusing.

You sounds like your game is actually being destroyed. Therefore you have every reason to not buy HoT.

I bought HoT and i am having fun, i do wish they kept up the business and release more expansions with more elite spec, i will pay to support the game. So if you don’t want to support the game and do not like the direction they are heading, i am sorry for you. Hope you can find what you enjoy out there, exit is that way, please help yourself.

Valoiz.9857:

I think Core Game- HoT should be add to gems store. I own the base game (not a free player) and now i completly stop playing cuz i really dont want to invest money on “secondary” games while i am paying sub elsewhere. Is very discourage to know u will not be able to really try the full game when u enter a “f2p”. All those “extra bussines models names” are crap, things are F2P , B2P or P2P. Gw2 is still B2P and u get a “long beta” when u play it for free.

You are paying a sub in another game and want everything handed to you free here?

Yeah…

HARDOFREADING.7298:

The sad amount of advantages that HoT has over Core makes the game virtually unplayable. Now there are going to be people from all over this forum trying to troll but yet they’re all more than likely running HoT builds or they’ll say there are still some Core Guardian builds in spvp.
Doesn’t change the fact that a vast majority of HoT skills/architecture are simply much better than Core. Now there are too many advantages to list…Ill leave those for the people that know the game well enough to know what they’re talking about…But had I been told that any expansions would be far superior & in fact designed to make you uncompetitive so you would be forced to buy them, I never would have invested any time/effort/money in a business model that is clearly “Pay to Win” now. In fact, we were told the opposite.

So were you also bothered that swtor xpacs increased player levels by 5? Did you complain that it was unfair and that you were not competitive?

This is not the “give you everything free” mmo…

whenever you have more options, you’re always going to be more viable, if you don’t own the expansion then how are you even posting here, unless you bought core years ago… in which case you had plenty of time to save up for expac.

Obtena.7952:

I see the advantage to owning HoT, but it’s certainly not unfair; everyone has the same access to getting it and the stuff in it to be on equal terms with everyone else. If you choose to not get it or do what is necessary to get that equal footing, then you only have yourself to blame for lagging behind others that do have those extra options.

So what you’re saying is that GW2 is P2W?

This is only a problem in pvp and Anets idea was to add a new playstyle but due to not being able to balance it right created an over powered spec.

In wvw numbers and siege win at the end of the day.

So, how does the op think Anet can survive with 60$ from 3 years ago? It’s not like everyone buys gems or there are tons of new players buying the core game every month.

Raven.1524:

So, how does the op think Anet can survive with 60$ from 3 years ago? It’s not like everyone buys gems or there are tons of new players buying the core game every month.

Anet started it.

When the expansion was anounced it was clear that it splits population into 2 classes, and yes without it you are a 2nd class citizen no longer a first class one. (3 classes in fact, HoT – first class; Old GW2 – 2nd Class and F2Ps – tourist class). For me it was clear that it meant buy it or leave the game, I bought it.

Dante.1508:

Josh XT.6053:

You had 3 years of this game without needing to spend more than the $50 or less you spent when you got it. Yes, getting HoT does give you an advantage over the people who don’t have it for things like PvP and WvW.

What you need to realize is that Arenanet is a company that has to make money to stay in business, things like expansion help them keep the servers up and keep paying their employees. Either get the expansion and enjoy the new content or don’t get it and don’t enjoy it lol.

The way I see it is this, if you buy a brand new car 3 years ago, then they come out with a new model that has a million more features this year, why do you feel entitled to get those million features added to your car for no cost? You won’t get it, dealer will laugh at you.

Thats why they have a cash shop.

No they have cash shop so we dont need to pay monthly fee of 15$

ANet just straight up lied when it comes to Elite specs, even the biggest whiteknights can’t deny that elite specs are vastly superior to core builds, which is yet again just another result of their lazyness. There could’ve been a thousand other ways to make people buy HoT, but they rather chose the low effort route and powercreept the kitten out of the Elite specs and thats it – here’s your only incentive (as a PvP player) to buy HoT or to stay a second class customer.

As for me, ANet finally lost all their credibility with this move and for this very reason I haven’t bought HoT and probably won’t unless I can snatch it for 10 bucks or so. How am I supposed to trust a company that is not only unable to balance their game (even pre-HoT), but also blatently lies to their customers. Never in my life have I seen that an expansion did more harm to a game than it did good. They destroyed their own game with this expansion and only now started realizing it and fixing things.

Even after 8 months the game is still suffering from glaring balancing issues (especially core vs HoT builds) and instead of fixing them, they rather focus on another expansion just to snatch off some more money. At this point I rather stay a second class customer than support the greed and inability of this company, so it really boils down to an ideological decision rather than a financial. It’s up to ANet to earn my trust again.

/rant

Josh XT.6053:

Yutou.2908:

It’s more like they disabled air condition on my 3 year old car, ask me to pay the price of a brand new car to get it back, along with a GPS and a spoiler.

To be clear, nothing was disabled for you by not having HoT.

Some of the engi and thief lines were nerfed to move options to elites/make them more appealing. Guild features were removed or changed to HoT-only ones (this especially impacted WvW roaming guilds, that now need to both buy Hot and farm to unlock the whole WvW line of upgrades just to regain their +5 supply upgrade they lost with HoT. Access to higher fractals was made significantly harder for non-hot users. Dungeon rewards were nerfed to make people move to (hot-locked, or partially hot-locked) Raids and Fractals.

The last one has been partially removed, but all others are still in.

Josh XT.6053:

Not having it doesn’t make the game unplayable, but it makes it harder for you to compete with those who do have the expansion. Call it an engine upgrade, people who bought HoT gained a turbocharger.

PvP was supposed to be about skill, not access to better gear/spec. It no longer is, as the even playing ground has been destroyed. WvW suffered due to this as well.

Swagger.1459:

So were you also bothered that swtor xpacs increased player levels by 5? Did you complain that it was unfair and that you were not competitive?

Mike O’Brian said practically exactly this when he announced HoT – that this game won’t have level cap increases and higher gear tier releases, because they make current players relatively weaker and that’s no fun.

Too bad he didn’t stick with that line of thought for longer than it took him to say it.

ANet can monetize PvP without relying on pay2win.

Its simple,

• Separate game modes. Conquest only for Core players. Stronghold for expansion players. This would give ANet a reason to improve stronghold anyways.
• More Finishers for expansion players.
• More armor cosmetics for expansion players.
• More reward tracks that players can grind for Finishers and armor cosmetics.
• Put Elite specs behind reward tracks so that core players have to grind for them. If they buy Expansion, all elite specs will be open to them instantly.

I don’t understand how players think PvP can grow with pay2win advantages. If I was a core player and get trashed by Elite specs, I would probably quit PvP.

Raven.1524:

So, how does the op think Anet can survive with 60$ from 3 years ago? It’s not like everyone buys gems or there are tons of new players buying the core game every month.

Strawman much?? Nobody is staying they shouldn’t sell their expansion, nobody is saying that they shouldn’t put incentive in the expansion for people to buy it, nobody is saying they should give everything free to the core game, but there is smart and bad ways to do it and they made some bad decision about their elites spec.

Thaddeus.4891:

Raven.1524:

So, how does the op think Anet can survive with 60$ from 3 years ago? It’s not like everyone buys gems or there are tons of new players buying the core game every month.

Strawman much?? Nobody is staying they shouldn’t sell their expansion, nobody is saying that they shouldn’t put incentive in the expansion for people to buy it, nobody is saying they should give everything free to the core game, but there is smart and bad ways to do it and they made some bad decision about their elites spec.

And, to make it worse, those decisions ran contrary to their stated design goals for those specs.

Which makes Anet either incompetent at balancing, dishonest at advertising, or both.

Josh XT.6053:

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The way I see it is this, if you buy a brand new car 3 years ago, then they come out with a new model that has a million more features this year, why do you feel entitled to get those million features added to your car for no cost? You won’t get it, dealer will laugh at you.

Well said except for having that car delivered to you in parts for over 6 months while canceling some of those new features and disabliling your old car… Oh and not working correctly…

In game words – HoT is not cempleted yet, legendaries are canceled and guild stuff that was in CORE GAME (buffs, bank) has become a HoT exclusive content and bugs that are still plaguing it…

I think that problem isn’t that we have hot things better and some thing were strip from core game and made an ‘exclusive’ but rather in lacking quality in HoT – it feels more like 5bucks DLC then a real expansion making it not really ‘a worth the price’ thing for people that want quality.

And for ‘oh you had 3 years of content for x $ with the core game blah blah blah" – yes i’ve had over 2400 hours in core game that i’ve paid 20 euros for – it was kitten well spent 20 euros i must admit. HoT costs are around 40 euros and i’ve spend in it’s content barely over 100 hrs… So yeah… having to pay twice as much as for core game to have fun for 24x less time is a money well spent indeed…

I just hope that next expansion will be a real expansion not an overpriced DLC, because i still think GW2 is the best MMO avaible today and i wont be playing that world of warcrap, not-a-morrowind-nor-skyrim online or any korean grinders filled with little girls that attract people BEARING problems (if you catch my drift).

We are saying the advantage is unfair. If you think it’s not unfair, then once again, why are these so-called “elite” specializations not available to everyone? Do you think it is very difficult to put in some bigger numbers, bullkitten letters, and draw new class icons? Do you think this justifies paying anything at all, let alone $50? Especially for us that already bought the core game? (and some of us supported it further than that)

Then buy the expansion to get access to expansion content like people do in every other MMO. Or you can just have Anet isolate non-expansion players so they can only play with other players who do not have the expansion. I think those are legacy servers. No more “unfairness”.

Ayrilana.1396:

Then buy the expansion to get access to expansion content like people do in every other MMO. Or you can just have Anet isolate non-expansion players so they can only play with other players who do not have the expansion. I think those are legacy servers. No more “unfairness”.

This can work.

Seems like 99% of issues could be solved with a gemstore PvP-only upgrade pack.

That way players could spend far less money upgrading the PvP side of the game to allow them to use HoT abilities, whilst only having access to the Core PvE content that these players likely don’t care about anyway.

Leo G.4501:

And the reverse option would be putting out an expansion full of either more of the same stuff or stuff that is irrelevant and few people would want to bother with it and no one will buy it and thus have been a waste of time and money making it.

For me I see that as the bottom line for many parties. Yes, for me to pay $50, I want some new fresh mechanics to, I doubt I’m alone. Anet being a business probably understands that clearly and knows they pretty much have to. Thus it happens. Just part of how the world spins. Perhaps as time moves along they should normalize themselves, but today imo that is still part of the carrot to purchase.

Sarie.1630:

Seems like 99% of issues could be solved with a gemstore PvP-only upgrade pack.

That way players could spend far less money upgrading the PvP side of the game to allow them to use HoT abilities, whilst only having access to the Core PvE content that these players likely don’t care about anyway.

It doesn’t solve anything. The game will still be pay2win.

Ayrilana.1396:

Please don’t use insults/ad hominem attacks because I disagree with you.

Do you have any source to back up your claim that those who would not buy the expansion are the players that make the most purchases from the gemstore? Or did you make that up?

Yes, there’s nothing wrong with not finding value for yourself in purchasing the expansion.

You know full well I did not use any insult, and if I am showing attitude, I am being friendly more than anything else. I know you guys are through a lot every day.

But do I have to prove anything here from a financial standpoint? Did I make a claim about that? I only said “I honestly believe”, while discussing your suggestion about isolating non-expansion players on “legacy servers”. Do you think there’s a chance that could happen? Perhaps speak to ANet on our behalf? They sure don’t listen to us. Maybe they’ll listen to you.

If you’re not pitching in to keep the game running and new content funded, why should we care about what is ‘fair’ for you?

I’ve dabbled in enough free MMOs to understand why HoT came with a price tag and compared to the competition, I still think this game is a bargain.

Ok people here are the issues…

Core Tyria is 111111, dodge, 1111, 6, dodge, 11111 zerker ultra easy mode… It’s almost as if you don’t really have to play your character, know what I mean?

The devs put core profession development on the lowest table, and it’s still there currently.

Players complained about 111111, dodge, 1111, 6, dodge, 11111 zerker ultra easy mode, and the devs are trying to get rid of 111111, dodge, 1111, 6, dodge, 11111 zerker ultra easy mode so they made HoT.

HoT scales upward in difficulty. Along with that difficulty, the devs made elites with that in mind. These elites were to bring us thing that are like roles, but they are kinda like a baby’s first step right? It’s a good try and we are all proud of that step, but the baby has a long way to go to start walking… The devs know this. They know they have a long way to go. They know HoT was not the end of changes, it’s just the beginning…

Devs now have to scale upward core profession, keep working on HoT elites and bring us more and better and cooler and some sweet sweet elites.

My suggestion from all of this is for some of you to buy the expansion, play the game so you are not behind when the next xpac comes, keep making threads so the devs improve core professions and wait like the rest of us for the devs to care about our special little pixelated characters again.

Don’t lose sight of fighting for profession improvements either… Don’t let Gaile swoop in and charm you away from this posting task. If she locks your thread then make a better and more constructive one! Don’t let John Smith and his icy cold fingers of economic doom get you down and distracted, just load up the forums and fight it! Don’t let MO throw you off with his almighty posts of a better tomorrow in Tyria that make you settle for these professions and elites! Don’t let polls and promises deter you from this quest either!

Fight on my Tyrians, we will be victorious soon™!

:)

LoL NooBs.5076:

Ayrilana.1396:

Please don’t use insults/ad hominem attacks because I disagree with you.

Do you have any source to back up your claim that those who would not buy the expansion are the players that make the most purchases from the gemstore? Or did you make that up?

Yes, there’s nothing wrong with not finding value for yourself in purchasing the expansion.

You know full well I did not use any insult, and if I am showing attitude, I am being friendly more than anything else. I know you guys are through a lot every day.

But do I have to prove anything here from a financial standpoint? Did I make a claim about that? I only said “I honestly believe”, while discussing your suggestion about isolating non-expansion players on “legacy servers”. Do you think there’s a chance that could happen? Perhaps speak to ANet on our behalf? They sure don’t listen to us. Maybe they’ll listen to you.

White knight is an insult just like if I used whiner to anyone that complains. It offers nothing to the discussion and is unnecessary.

You made a claim, although opinion, that the better part of paying customers would be on the legacy servers. I was just asking you for your source to see how you reached the conclusion that you believe that so many paying customers would be those that didn’t buy the expansion.

Ayrilana.1396:

Please don’t use insults/ad hominem attacks because I disagree with you.

Do you have any source to back up your claim that those who would not buy the expansion are the players that make the most purchases from the gemstore? Or did you make that up?

Yes, there’s nothing wrong with not finding value for yourself in purchasing the expansion.

Sign me up for the legacy servers. Before HoT, I think I was in several hundred if not a thousand dollars deep. I’ve since halted purchases because the game state is not worth supporting at this time.

I bought HoT when I saw the reaper initially, and expected high-quality content to come, despite concerns over the scale (there isn’t that much) when so much detail is put in vertical design which people will often either fall past or ignore. I wasn’t expecting to get screwed over by the guild issues, which affected my small community WvW guild, which declared its last straw after the Desert(ed) BL introduction. Several of these players have also spent several hundreds gem purchases.

I suggest you look into the Runescape 3 crisis as for a recent and much larger example of how this isn’t an uncommon ideology, either. An entire re-write of the engine, reworked combat, stats, leveling, skills, and the likes, and they lost well over 90% of their paying population because people liked the old stuff better.

So much, in fact, they made legacy servers which ran a the game and its data as it was several years prior if people linked to the legacy servers (so thousands of hours of progress lost), and yet, these servers were successful.

Ayrilana.1396:

White knight is an insult just like if I used whiner to anyone that complains. It offers nothing to the discussion and is unnecessary.

You made a claim, although opinion, that the better part of paying customers would be on the legacy servers. I was just asking you for your source to see how you reached the conclusion that you believe that so many paying customers would be those that didn’t buy the expansion.

If you go back, you’ll find I put “white knight” in quotes. That is precisely to indicate I meant you aren’t one.

Then if we look at the definitions of “claim” and “opinion”, we can safely conclude that one is not the other; hence, I do not need to submit to your inexplicably persistent demand to provide a “source” to prove the “claim” that I didn’t make, in reference to a supposed scenario I didn’t suggest.

But now that you mention it, I wonder how ANet is doing. Been awfully quiet about HoT sales. Who knows?

If people spent even a 10th of the time they spent complaining about having to spend $50 on the expansion, they could make $50 IRL to just do it lol…

Josh XT.6053:

If people spent even a 10th of the time they spent complaining about having to spend $50 on the expansion, they could make $50 IRL to just do it lol…

Jobs typically don’t let you decide to take paid overtime. In some nations, currency is very weak to the U.S. dollar. Not to mention that a large number of players are in their teenage/college years.

For example, if I said that you needed to spend $250 for the expansion because your nation’s economy was weaker than the one selling the expansion, would you conclude that a reasonable price? Would you have concluded that a reasonable price when you were in high school/college?

Fixing the forum bug (see previous post).

DeceiverX.8361:

Josh XT.6053:

If people spent even a 10th of the time they spent complaining about having to spend $50 on the expansion, they could make $50 IRL to just do it lol…

Jobs typically don’t let you decide to take paid overtime. In some nations, currency is very weak to the U.S. dollar. Not to mention that a large number of players are in their teenage/college years.

For example, if I said that you needed to spend $250 for the expansion because your nation’s economy was weaker than the one selling the expansion, would you conclude that a reasonable price? Would you have concluded that a reasonable price when you were in high school/college?

When I was a kid and wanted a video game, I mowed my neighbors lawns for money. Sure you won’t get it RIGHT NOW, you’ll have to work for it. If anything, ANet is teaching you to work for things you want.