Guild Wars 2

yolo swaggins.2570:

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Its never as simple as “Don’t like it? GTFO!”,

but it is as simple as “Want me to leave because you don’t like my opinion?….so?”

LS 1 isn’t completely erased. There’s evidence of it throughout the world with the most obvious one being the state of Lion’s Arch. The devs decided on content that changes and impacts the world in “real time”. If you weren’t around for it, you missed it. Should there be NPC commentary about past events throughout the world, sure. It changed maps for crying out loud. And once you do that, unless you introduce time travel, new players can’t experience it because it’s in the past.

From a game perspective LS 1 was another different way that ANet designed into GW2 to make it unlike any MMO currently out there.

LS 2 is just another example of kitten ed if you do, kitten ed if you don’t (yes that’s going to get kittened). Here is permanent, replayable content that’s free if you bother logging in before the next chapter is released. Downside is if you are a spanking new player, you have 1200 gems ($15) worth of content (don’t know if Chapter 7 still unlocks for free still) you don’t have access to. An obvious solution for new players is that all new accounts get previous LS 2 chapters unlocked for free at the time the account is activated.

Now if you simply can’t be bothered to login when a LS patch drops, well what’s better; missing out for all time or given the option to activate it for 200 gems ($2.50) for all time? Obviously the option of giving it to you for free isn’t a choice, the minor cost is there to motivate you to login at least once during that free period.

Chrispy.5641:

yolo swaggins.2570:

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Its never as simple as “Don’t like it? GTFO!”,

but it is as simple as “Want me to leave because you don’t like my opinion?….so?”

But often those expressing negative opinions also state they’ve stopped playing the game months ago. So why continue to hang about on the forum? Injecting themselves in newbie question threads telling them to leave because the game is horrible?

If your favorite novel series goes off the rails (what happen to you Anita Blake) you stop buying the series. If you think the quality of food at your favorite restaurant is now terrible, you stop going. The problem with this game not having a subscription is that non-players don’t get their forum access revoked. They would have to pay monthly to spew their negative opinions with impunity. They have decided that instead of leaving the game to argue over fundamental design decisions the devs made when developing the game that will never change.

I just wish that the higher ups would have the cojones to say X will never happen rather than the boiler plate “everything is on the table”. As long as you give them a sliver of hope we will always have incipid mount and duel threads till the end of time.

If you aren’t supporting the game by either playing or paying, then your opinion is only slightly more important than someone who never played.

Behellagh.1468:

Chrispy.5641:

yolo swaggins.2570:

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Its never as simple as “Don’t like it? GTFO!”,

but it is as simple as “Want me to leave because you don’t like my opinion?….so?”

But often those expressing negative opinions also state they’ve stopped playing the game months ago. So why continue to hang about on the forum? Injecting themselves in newbie question threads telling them to leave because the game is horrible?

If your favorite novel series goes off the rails (what happen to you Anita Blake) you stop buying the series. If you think the quality of food at your favorite restaurant is now terrible, you stop going. The problem with this game not having a subscription is that non-players don’t get their forum access revoked. They would have to pay monthly to spew their negative opinions with impunity. They have decided that instead of leaving the game to argue over fundamental design decisions the devs made when developing the game that will never change.

I just wish that the higher ups would have the cojones to say X will never happen rather than the boiler plate “everything is on the table”. As long as you give them a sliver of hope we will always have incipid mount and duel threads till the end of time.

If you aren’t supporting the game by either playing or paying, then your opinion is only slightly more important than someone who never played.

The problem is that some of those expressing ‘Positive’ opinions are actually being quite negative when they do nothing all day but claim how positive something is, and often ignore the OP to the point of disrespecting whatever the original forum topic was. You can see examples of that all over any internet forum (and in this very thread), and its no better than people who have complaints about the game. It goes nowhere, and it drowns out the original point of the topic, which is something the negative guys do a lot as well. Either way, its wrong.

Also, I last logged in last month, I still support the game, and I still have complaints about it because I do play occasionally (will be playing when the next living story releases), and I still have hope that the next big thing will suck me back into a 300 hour black hole so I can enjoy the world of Tyria again.

Many people complain about very certain aspects of the game because they actually do like the game and want to get back into it, not because they are scrooge all year round and hate the game with such a passion that they log in here to purposely troll everyone (and I highly doubt that anyone does that). And it doesn’t help when the same dozen people always reply to these negative feedback threads saying that there is nothing wrong with the game at all, then turn around and claim that the game isn’t perfect and that they have their own complaints about the game, just not whatever the topic is at the time.

edited for some clarity.

The whole ‘love it or leave it’ mentality bores me, and I’ll usually casually mock people that retreat from all illusions of salient points into it.

Apologists annoy me. They typically behave like they have this expectation that if they’re good dogs and bark at anyone that even seems suspicious, they’ll be rewarded and praised in some deeply coveted manner.

No big secret that humans are tribal animals, but dang, some will drink any koolaid or before them and slavishly obey whatever authority seems like it knows what it’s doing.

I chalk most of the problems to do with apologists and their ilk up to that apparent tendency.

Behellagh.1468:

LS 1 isn’t completely erased. There’s evidence of it throughout the world with the most obvious one being the state of Lion’s Arch. The devs decided on content that changes and impacts the world in “real time”. If you weren’t around for it, you missed it. Should there be NPC commentary about past events throughout the world, sure. It changed maps for crying out loud. And once you do that, unless you introduce time travel, new players can’t experience it because it’s in the past.

1. Some of it is in fractals, there’s no reason why in fractals there couldn’t be separate entrances for those particular instances with some backstory.
2. People who are just now doing their own personal story are engaging in time travel are they not? After all Zhaithan is long dead.
3. No reason why right after personal story there couldn’t be a section called “Season 1”, with a voice actor explaining what has happened while they could be scrolling trough cutscenes that we’ve seen in season 1.

Behellagh.1468:

Here is permanent, replayable content that’s free if you bother logging in before the next chapter is released..

The question is can you log in? Life is unpredictable and doesn’t care if you want to log in to Guild Wars 2 every 2 weeks or not.

Behellagh.1468:

Obviously the option of giving it to you for free isn’t a choice

why? They’re selling story related items on the gem store quite often, they’re giving it for free to people that have the luxury to log in and Season 1 was completely free. They don’t have to monetize this. From my point of view it’s just another way to disadvantage a new player.

It also doesn’t help when the same dozen people complain in threads on the same topic.

We all see what we want to see. I see threads where people are accusing the devs believing the devs have less than honorable motivations. I see threads where people are upset that there isn’t more ways to exclude players from partying up with them. The cash grab threads, the farm nerf threads, the precursor/legendary inflation threads, the hurt flippers threads, the Nexon is controlling ANet threads, the devs are lazy/only 20 are working there threads, etc.

The devs did not change traits, the NPE, the revamp daily on a whim. They have very specific reasons to do that, reasons they choose not to share fully if at all. You may think those changes were misguided but too many threads accuses maliciousness. We still have threads claiming devs lying over alternate ways of getting a legendary weapon while conveniently missing the announcement that it got back burnered due to design issues.

So while there is the same group of players showing up to smack down mount and duel threads, just remember that this is just a form of entertainment produced for our consumption. And while fans willed Korrasami into cannon, it doesn’t mean that players can will design changes if they keep starting new threads about it.

The key to change is constructive criticism, not just criticism. Suggest solutions and by solutions I mean not fundamentally alter the underlying design, which is a co-op friendly, casual MMO that doesn’t have a monthly subscription.

People are going to do that. We’re people. We’re not always civil and not even the most perfectly written code of conduct in existence and a moderation staff of a billion people is going to ever change that fact. Everything you just described is a problem, but, so are the Stop Complaining, This game is great, NPE isn’t Bad, inflation is okay, Precursors should be rare, To all those concerned about X, etc. threads that try to say that everything is perfect, stop complaining and carry on. I doubt that all those NPE threads were made just to rage about how bad they thought it was.

The problem I have is when positive people jump into threads that are making the more minor complaints, criticisms, observations, and suggestion threads, and end up ruining what could have been a good discussion. And I also have a problem when negative people jump into the positive threads and doing the same thing.