Guild Wars 2

I waited for years to play GW2. I worked to get my GW1 HOM rewards as high as I could. I played Prophecies, Nightfall, EON and Factions in regular and hard mode. I vanquished all campaigns and was 100% cartographer for all. My partner and I coming to GW 1 from WOW found we loved the game.

We spent every possible hour playing every BETA event; dutifully attempting to report our experience to developers. My partner took vacation days so we could play the BETA as much as possible.

We found the game amazing; the combat after the learning curve was challenging and fun! The graphics, attention to detail, and beauty in the environment were unbelievable. Moreover, the personal story was interesting, memorable and fun to play (as far as we were allowed to progress – 30??) Then then there were the World Events: a solo /duo player’s best possible answer to the PUG. Finally, the MMO Trinity was gone…no need for LFG or Hero companions. This game was awesome!

Flash forward to today: IMO for the casual solo-duo PVE players the game is a bust. All this hype about a “personal” story, doing away with the “MMO trinity” making all toons able to solo has been BS – you have to group to complete the “purported” personal story.

I took my time – leveling was actually faster than I would have liked. I now have two characters up to level 80 and several more at lower levels.

But, since I learned the final quest in the “personal story” is a group event, I have no desire to play through the personal story for any of my other characters. And without a personal story I find the game boils down to grinding — go clean some graffiti for a “heart” – Hero…grind daily’s for a “laurel.” Go craft stuff that loses money, if sold (versus selling the components. Crafted items have no “special/ unique value” and generally can be bought “cheaper” on the AH.).

Hey, I can down level for new content, yet pay for travel and repairs as an 80! While there is now “some” level appropriate loot dropping, the area completion rewards are still at the area’s level. Wow, sign me up; it’s guaranteed to be a money losing, grinding adventure.

If one plays MMO’s for extrinsic rewards, such as cool gear you can show off and your MMO focus is on having more and better stuff you are golden. If you play MMO’s to be in a mega guild, group with others to farm dungeons, achieve goals, you are fine “and” new content is being developed just to cater to your play style.

However, since I casually play MMO’s solo-duo for a story – a role playing fantasy and the intrinsic rewards from that experience – I now pronounced the game dead.

My eyes are now jaundiced toward the upcoming “Flame and Frost.” Thus, I am putting the game on the back burner in preference to the stories in SWTOR and LOTRO. My partner and I signed up for a chance to BETA The Elder Scrolls Online.

In a few months I will check the WIKI to see if the Flame and Frost is something that appeals to my partner and me. Hopefully, ANET will listen and ensure the solo-duo player’s game needs are addressed.

If not, I predict many more 30% off sales – which considering the game has only been out six months is IMHO a very bad omen.

I agree with your points… but your eyes are Jaundiced? Lol… Weird expression

ok, bye?

If it took you 6 months to figure out you didn’t like the game then I’d call that a pretty good game personally.
Also every game ever released in all of gaming history has gone on sale within six months of release so i’m not really sure what you are implying…

Also this is an MMO, it is the most solo friendly MMO in existence. It is the only MMO I know of that you can get the highest tier gear from doing only solo activities.

StevesDad.8213:

I agree with your points… but your eyes are Jaundiced? Lol… Weird expression

A $5 word for cynical, pessimistic, skeptical jaded, etc.

Is there something you want to discuss, or a question you want answered, or are you just venting/complaining?

If you are just venting, this thread may get closed by a moderator soon, because if you did not create it in order to seek a constructive discussion, this forum is not intended to be the place for that.

Still, if you have a concern you want to discuss with other players or (if we’re lucky) an ArenaNet representative, I’m willing to read and respond.

This is a bit confusing.
I guess solo players usually stick to solo RPGs (or for duos, those solo-RPGs that can be played with one or two friends, a la Baldur’s Gate), but not MMOs. The latter are naturally made to cater for people who enjoy socializing with lots of people and playing in groups.
If you want more solo/duo content and more story, maybe you are looking at the wrong kind of games for this focus… or am I missing something?

ZudetGambeous.9573:

ok, bye?

If it took you 6 months to figure out you didn’t like the game then I’d call that a pretty good game personally.
Also every game ever released in all of gaming history has gone on sale within six months of release so i’m not really sure what you are implying…

Also this is an MMO, it is the most solo friendly MMO in existence. It is the only MMO I know of that you can get the highest tier gear from doing only solo activities.

Perhaps my memory fails me but i do not remember EON going on sale for a long time.

Velkyn.5168:

This is a bit confusing.
I guess solo players usually stick to solo RPGs (or for duos, those solo-RPGs that can be played with one or two friends, a la Baldur’s Gate), but not MMOs. The latter are naturally made to cater for people who enjoy socializing with lots of people and playing in groups.
If you want more solo/duo content and more story, maybe you are looking at the wrong kind of games for this focus… or am I missing something?

From: http://www.gw2bnc.com/2012/04/guild-wars-2-something-for-everyone-almost/

The Solo Player

The solo player has become an important audience for modern MMOs. It has become nearly impossible for a MMO to succeed if they leave out the solo player. They are everywhere in today’s online world.

One of the common misconceptions about the solo player is that they want to play the game entirely alone. I do not believe this is the case and I think Guild Wars 2 will prove this point. The solo player does not mind working with other players to achieve goals, they simply do not want to go through the hassle of finding a group, creating a group or dealing with the drama that can come from being in a group. They just want to play, on their own time and in their own way.

Luckily, Guild Wars 2 will give this type of player all the content they need. The Dynamic Events will allow this player to join or leave at their convenience. They will get a “group-like” experience without the hassle of actually joining one. They will be able to jump in, play as long as they like and then leave without having to notify anyone of their comings and goings. They can play on their own time schedule, while still enjoying the benefits of a group.

In addition, if they truly want to play alone they will have their own Personal Story to work through. This feature will give them hours of play time to work through while leveling and no additional players are needed.

Blaming the game for not being fully up to YOUR taste is rather harsh and disrespectful. I play as solo as you can possibly play, I’ve got my Ranger to level 80 and I’m currently re-starting as a Thief currently at level 21, I play solo, I don’t have a Guild, I don’t play on getting a guild. If I go WvW I play alone and just tag a long with randomers if need be. The only time I ever socialize with the other human beings is if I need to do a dungeon or fractals, I’ll join a group.

And I can’t say I feel the same as you, I enjoy it just as much as I’d enjoy it in any other MMO.

I literally play solo or in my two person guild of my daughter and I.

We have zero issues doing things. Orr is 100% fine running around and knocking stuff out (of course other people are around).

We run Wpvp and take camps and control points and just small groups of folks and have a blast.

We do our dailies..

If one of us is not on, not like there is nothing to do. Speaking of gear, we get that fine. Buy stuff from the TP with all the drops in Orr and now with laurels we got access to other stuff. Heck tonight we get the great neck items with it after the daily.

ZudetGambeous.9573:

Also this is an MMO, it is the most solo friendly MMO in existence. It is the only MMO I know of that you can get the highest tier gear from doing only solo activities.

Actually you could do this in DCUO it would just take a while. A very long while.

Jornophelanthas.1475:

Is there something you want to discuss, or a question you want answered, or are you just venting/complaining?

If you are just venting, this thread may get closed by a moderator soon, because if you did not create it in order to seek a constructive discussion, this forum is not intended to be the place for that.

Still, if you have a concern you want to discuss with other players or (if we’re lucky) an ArenaNet representative, I’m willing to read and respond.

Thanks for your reply. Perhaps I am venting but my primary concern, if ANET wants to address it, is the difference between what was said before release and actual game experience – specifically the personal story.

It is too expensive to fix now. However, if the “Flame and Frost” and future story lines require grouping to complete, then ANET has abandoned the solo-duo player market, IMO.

I’ve played the majority of my time on GW2 solo, for a bunch of reasons. Like, hundreds of hours solo.

But … Ok? I hope you have fun on your new game?

RayKoke.1638:

If not, I predict many more 30% off sales – which considering the game has only been out six months is IMHO a very bad omen.

I think your view of omens may be off. If discounts in early businesses is a indication of a failing business, then I’m wondering why Walmart, Petco, Gamestop, and about 3 Billion other stores have done so well when they had sales for the first 6 months – 1 year. >.> And 79 levels of soloable personal story, and your complaining about ONE (1) final group event? oi..

RayKoke.1638:

StevesDad.8213:

I agree with your points… but your eyes are Jaundiced? Lol… Weird expression

A $5 word for cynical, pessimistic, skeptical jaded, etc.

Think the word you and the OP mean is Jaded, as jaundice is a medical condition. But with luck the Feb patch will mean more things to do in the open world there for help the solo gamer.

Geotherma.2395:

RayKoke.1638:

If not, I predict many more 30% off sales – which considering the game has only been out six months is IMHO a very bad omen.

I think your view of omens may be off. If discounts in early businesses is a indication of a failing business, then I’m wondering why Walmart, Petco, Gamestop, and about 3 Billion other stores have done so well when they had sales for the first 6 months – 1 year. >.>

How do furniture stores even exist? They’re always doing sales!

DancinPuppeh.8421:

Blaming the game for not being fully up to YOUR taste is rather harsh and disrespectful. I play as solo as you can possibly play, I’ve got my Ranger to level 80 and I’m currently re-starting as a Thief currently at level 21, I play solo, I don’t have a Guild, I don’t play on getting a guild. If I go WvW I play alone and just tag a long with randomers if need be. The only time I ever socialize with the other human beings is if I need to do a dungeon or fractals, I’ll join a group.

And I can’t say I feel the same as you, I enjoy it just as much as I’d enjoy it in any other MMO.

And you are 100% correct. I am reporting my partner’s experience of the game and personal preferences. We tend to play for the role playing story and find it lacking.

proxy.7963:

Geotherma.2395:

RayKoke.1638:

If not, I predict many more 30% off sales – which considering the game has only been out six months is IMHO a very bad omen.

I think your view of omens may be off. If discounts in early businesses is a indication of a failing business, then I’m wondering why Walmart, Petco, Gamestop, and about 3 Billion other stores have done so well when they had sales for the first 6 months – 1 year. >.>

How do furniture stores even exist? They’re always doing sales!

IKR! and car dealerships OPEN with sales lmao

Ray I to play the game mostly solo or with my sister we have a guild on sorrows furnace, not sure what world you are on, but if you want you are welcome to join us and then we have 4 of the 5 needed to finish your and my sisters story just saying.

Emperor.1360:

RayKoke.1638:

…my other tunes.

tune
noun
1.
a succession of musical sounds forming an air or melody, with or without the harmony accompanying it.
2.
a musical setting of a hymn, poem, psalm, etc., usually in four-part harmony.
3.
the state of being in the proper pitch: to be in tune.
4.
agreement in pitch; unison; harmony.
5.
proper adjustment, as of radio instruments or circuits with respect to frequency.

The game may be “dead” to you, but it’s not “dead” to everyone. It’s certainly not “dead” to me. Apparently you allowed yourself to get over-enthused about the “personal story” hype and now are totally shocked that it is not the greatest thing of all time. What did you expect, seriously—-a personal novel tailored specifically to your character? Go write a book!

Sorry for the poor choice of words – tune Vs character. I was expecting something like the GW 1 story lines.

raiden.9024:

RayKoke.1638:

StevesDad.8213:

I agree with your points… but your eyes are Jaundiced? Lol… Weird expression

A $5 word for cynical, pessimistic, skeptical jaded, etc.

Think the word you and the OP mean is Jaded, as jaundice is a medical condition. But with luck the Feb patch will mean more things to do in the open world there for help the solo gamer.

I am hoping that you are correct. However, given my experience to date, I will wait until others have completed the story first.

Wow. So you have to group for one last step of your personal story and the game is a bust? Really maybe MMO’s are not for you. They are massivly multiplayer for a reason and getting to know other people and group up is half the fun of the game. If you don’t want to group with anyone you might as well just play a solo game.

If you see me online, Ray, I’ll group with you and your partner for the dungeon.

Please keep in mind that most of the time I don’t know what I’m doing, I jump around excessively and I make inappropriate jokes on a pretty consistent basis.

Also my main’s an Engineer, which some people don’t like and I feel is pretty mean of them.

DancinPuppeh.8421:

… I don’t have a Guild, I don’t play on getting a guild.

Get one, if only for the guild bank.

On topic – I don’t really have issues playing solo, unless I’m running an event chain which suddenly turns into a group event (hello, Champion Modniir Overlord) and there’s no one around. I live off of junk I sell to vendors, and I have no issues with money.

RayKoke.1638:

StevesDad.8213:

I agree with your points… but your eyes are Jaundiced? Lol… Weird expression

A $5 word for cynical, pessimistic, skeptical jaded, etc.

How does a symptom of liver failure turn into a synonym for cynical? Saying something is a thing doesn’t make it a thing.

Syphen.1980:

Wow. So you have to group for one last step of your personal story and the game is a bust? Really maybe MMO’s are not for you. They are massivly multiplayer for a reason and getting to know other people and group up is half the fun of the game. If you don’t want to group with anyone you might as well just play a solo game.

That is your perception of an MMO and the game meets those needs. However, the developers before release were saying: http://www.gw2bnc.com/2012/04/guild-wars-2-something-for-everyone-almost/

Some people play for the cyber-friend relationships and have a wonderful time doing that. I am glad. However, as I have tried to say, my partner and I play for the story and the intrinsic, albeit cyber, rewards from our games.

I find it simple to solo, I soloed everything in GW1 and 2 except the last story mission as that was a dungeon.

Hanzo.9624:

RayKoke.1638:

StevesDad.8213:

I agree with your points… but your eyes are Jaundiced? Lol… Weird expression

A $5 word for cynical, pessimistic, skeptical jaded, etc.

How does a symptom of liver failure turn into a synonym for cynical? Saying something is a thing doesn’t make it a thing.

Agreed not the best choice of words but you may want to look at: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jaundiced

Salacious.7358:

I find it simple to solo, I soloed everything in GW1 and 2 except the last story mission as that was a dungeon.

As did I and my partner.

So polite negative criticism is responded to by:

-Just quit, we don’t want/need you.
-You’re so disrespectful for voicing a negative opinion of the game.
-It’s your fault because it took you so long to find problems with the game.

Every thread ever.

RayKoke.1638:

Emperor.1360:

RayKoke.1638:

…my other tunes.

tune
noun
1.
a succession of musical sounds forming an air or melody, with or without the harmony accompanying it.
2.
a musical setting of a hymn, poem, psalm, etc., usually in four-part harmony.
3.
the state of being in the proper pitch: to be in tune.
4.
agreement in pitch; unison; harmony.
5.
proper adjustment, as of radio instruments or circuits with respect to frequency.

The game may be “dead” to you, but it’s not “dead” to everyone. It’s certainly not “dead” to me. Apparently you allowed yourself to get over-enthused about the “personal story” hype and now are totally shocked that it is not the greatest thing of all time. What did you expect, seriously—-a personal novel tailored specifically to your character? Go write a book!

Sorry for the poor choice of words – tune Vs character. I was expecting something like the GW 1 story lines.

The sound of the word is right, is was a word used a lot 10 years ago to reference ones character. However it is spelled toon.

Title is misleading. You may need to change that as “The Game is dead for ME as a casual solo-duo player”.

nastyjman.8207:

Title is misleading. You may need to change that as “The Game is dead for ME as a casual solo-duo player”.

Does it really bother you that much?

nastyjman.8207:

Title is misleading. You may need to change that as “The Game is dead for ME as a casual solo-duo player”.

Tried – IMO the game is dead… title was too long

Hey Ray! This game is still amazing if you want solo play, but if you need a group to run you through the final story mission; I could round up a few guild mates and help you do this!

Send me a tell or mail anytime!

Alarox.4590:

nastyjman.8207:

Title is misleading. You may need to change that as “The Game is dead for ME as a casual solo-duo player”.

Does it really bother you that much?

Think they were referring to how broad the statement is. Like saying “the game is dead” assumes everyone is in agreement, and that its factual. Broad statements like that make people think its more of a qq thread rather than a constructive post.

“GW2 feels dead to me as a casual/duo player”

Bead.8609:

RayKoke.1638:

Emperor.1360:

RayKoke.1638:

…my other tunes.

tune
noun
1.
a succession of musical sounds forming an air or melody, with or without the harmony accompanying it.
2.
a musical setting of a hymn, poem, psalm, etc., usually in four-part harmony.
3.
the state of being in the proper pitch: to be in tune.
4.
agreement in pitch; unison; harmony.
5.
proper adjustment, as of radio instruments or circuits with respect to frequency.

The game may be “dead” to you, but it’s not “dead” to everyone. It’s certainly not “dead” to me. Apparently you allowed yourself to get over-enthused about the “personal story” hype and now are totally shocked that it is not the greatest thing of all time. What did you expect, seriously—-a personal novel tailored specifically to your character? Go write a book!

Sorry for the poor choice of words – tune Vs character. I was expecting something like the GW 1 story lines.

The sound of the word is right, is was a word used a lot 10 years ago to reference ones character. However it is spelled toon.

Thank you for the correction.

a jaundiced viewpoint has been considered to be another way of saying biased, skeptical. Not often used. Maybe turning yellow due to liver failure or viral damage leads to cynicism.

Geotherma.2395:

Alarox.4590:

nastyjman.8207:

Title is misleading. You may need to change that as “The Game is dead for ME as a casual solo-duo player”.

Does it really bother you that much?

Think they were referring to how broad the statement is. Like saying “the game is dead” assumes everyone is in agreement, and that its factual. Broad statements like that make people think its more of a qq thread rather than a constructive post.

Do you not see the irony in what you just posted?

RayKoke.1638:

I waited for years to play GW2. I worked to get my GW1 HOM rewards as high as I could. I played Prophecies, Nightfall, EON and Factions in regular and hard mode. I vanquished all campaigns and was 100% cartographer for all. My partner and I coming to GW 1 from WOW found we loved the game.

We spent every possible hour playing every BETA event; dutifully attempting to report our experience to developers. My partner took vacation days so we could play the BETA as much as possible.

Sounds SOOOOO casual.

Hmmm, reading your original post a few times, just got to say you may not be able to get what you want here in GW2. I’m also . . . fairly certain you won’t find it at the Elder Scrolls game. What you’re describing sounds a lot less like one of the MMOs on the market (by necessity of needing to be certain things to please a broad audience) and more like a place to have fun in.

There’s nothing wrong with it, it’s just likely the game you want won’t ever materialize 100% of the way you want it to. Maybe even 50%.

I wonder if there’s a market for a MUD again . . .

Honestly here, I think the problem is that you played an MMO and you were looking for a single player RPG (which are almost always better written). That being said, I agree with the previous poster that GW2 is one of the most solo friendly MMOs around. If you need a group, there are places like gw2lfg.com, or you can join a guild, most of which are happy to help people do things in game.

Geotherma.2395:

Alarox.4590:

nastyjman.8207:

Title is misleading. You may need to change that as “The Game is dead for ME as a casual solo-duo player”.

Does it really bother you that much?

Think they were referring to how broad the statement is. Like saying “the game is dead” assumes everyone is in agreement, and that its factual. Broad statements like that make people think its more of a qq thread rather than a constructive post.

“GW2 feels dead to me as a casual/duo player”

I did try IMO … however, it was too long.

That aside – Does one ever wonder,…“what happened to so & so…?”

For example, RayKoke and his partner used to play every weekend and several nights a week, but they don’t anymore. Wonder what happened?

Well, poorly written as it is, I care enough to say why. Perhaps ANET doesn’t care; I do not know. However, I an not bitter; I have gotten MORE than my money’s worth from GW 1 &2.

Tobias Trueflight.8350:

Hmmm, reading your original post a few times, just got to say you may not be able to get what you want here in GW2. I’m also . . . fairly certain you won’t find it at the Elder Scrolls game. What you’re describing sounds a lot less like one of the MMOs on the market (by necessity of needing to be certain things to please a broad audience) and more like a place to have fun in.

There’s nothing wrong with it, it’s just likely the game you want won’t ever materialize 100% of the way you want it to. Maybe even 50%.

I wonder if there’s a market for a MUD again . . .

Beau Hindman on Massively reviewed a couple last year.

Why people feel the need to try to speak for everyone. You don’t speak for anyone other than yourself and your s/o. I understand you already said it was your personal preference but your title….really. This thread will most likely be closed. Its just a rant.

Bead.8609:

Geotherma.2395:

Alarox.4590:

nastyjman.8207:

Title is misleading. You may need to change that as “The Game is dead for ME as a casual solo-duo player”.

Does it really bother you that much?

Think they were referring to how broad the statement is. Like saying “the game is dead” assumes everyone is in agreement, and that its factual. Broad statements like that make people think its more of a qq thread rather than a constructive post.

Do you not see the irony in what you just posted?

No, no I do not lol

people need to CAL DOWN~!!!!! this game was dead the moment it was released.

That works lol

15kittens

RayKoke.1638:

Bead.8609:

RayKoke.1638:

Emperor.1360:

RayKoke.1638:

…my other tunes.

tune
noun
1.
a succession of musical sounds forming an air or melody, with or without the harmony accompanying it.
2.
a musical setting of a hymn, poem, psalm, etc., usually in four-part harmony.
3.
the state of being in the proper pitch: to be in tune.
4.
agreement in pitch; unison; harmony.
5.
proper adjustment, as of radio instruments or circuits with respect to frequency.

The game may be “dead” to you, but it’s not “dead” to everyone. It’s certainly not “dead” to me. Apparently you allowed yourself to get over-enthused about the “personal story” hype and now are totally shocked that it is not the greatest thing of all time. What did you expect, seriously—-a personal novel tailored specifically to your character? Go write a book!

Sorry for the poor choice of words – tune Vs character. I was expecting something like the GW 1 story lines.

The sound of the word is right, is was a word used a lot 10 years ago to reference ones character. However it is spelled toon.

Thank you for the correction.

Actually, it’s short for “cartoon”…

RayKoke.1638:

Well, poorly written as it is, I care enough to say why. Perhaps ANET doesn’t care; I do not know. However, I an not bitter; I have gotten MORE than my money’s worth from GW 1 &2.

Thanks for that. That’d be my attitude if I quit tomorrow for whatever reason (such as my computer suddenly and violently exploding when I started the game).