-People have been elitist in every mmo(some who are not even elite) get over it
-Create a group yourself.
-If this is a clever way to bring up pve balance, already been done 5 times over.
No game is perfect, however, you leave out the fact that in every game other than this one, the developers always had a quick hand at eliminating much of the elitist nature by removing the design problems that caused them in the first place. That has not happened here and thus the topic will continue to not only be posted until a dev notices it’s an issue but also to inform the other players who might be new and don’t know it exists yet.
And getting kicked by four 2k AP warriors, which I know suck big time, but that’s better than no playing.
Thanks for that Anet. Gj on PvE balancing. And I though PvP was kittened up…
1.AP means nothing-there are players with less AP than I and play better and those with twice as much and play half as well.
2.Why in God’s name do you think the amount of pvp games you’ve played factor into pve is beyond me.
3.Game is balanced around exotics, so asc means nothing outside high level fractals
4.What does that even mean….
As others pointed out, if you joined a group that clearly said ‘ONLY ele war guard’ as a profession that’s not an ‘ele war guard’…no…just why do you think that was a good idea? Quite frankly your ‘complaint’ only depicts you as someone who is incredibly arrogant-and it’s your arrogance that created a situation where people rejected your perceived ‘self-awesomeness’ and your feelings got hurt.
People will have issues with the ‘only these classes’ mindset (and rightfully so imo) but very few people will take sympathy in you knowingly, purposefully joining a group that spelled out what they’re looking for in future members but you (thinking that you’re the most awesome thing since sliced bread)think they should thank their lucky stars you decided to play with them and welcome you with open arms, jaws open in awe with a character that doesn’t fit the description.
I hope this is just a trolling attempt and will be locked-really don’t want to accept people’s mind operate that way.
When free speech ends, tyranny begins.
The beginning of wisdom is to call things by their proper name.
No game is perfect, however, you leave out the fact that in every game other than this one, the developers always had a quick hand at eliminating much of the elitist nature by removing the design problems that caused them in the first place. That has not happened here and thus the topic will continue to not only be posted until a dev notices it’s an issue but also to inform the other players who might be new and don’t know it exists yet.
So you want what… to eliminate warriors? To buff rangers so that they do as much dps as warriors? What exactly?
Well, to be fair – they did ask for specific class so I wouldn’t be surprised they kicked you out mindlessly without even checking up on you, can’t blame them.
Apart from that, if they probably knew who are you or more like which is your guild, since I don’t know you in person, I’m sure they’d have definitely loved to have you on their party.
Anyway, back to farming AP so that I can finally get into a dungeon that I did like 100 times before.
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That’s a gs warrior. Also sustained dps is better than burst dps with long cooldowns. My point stands.
And where do you need sustained dps? In fractals but not in dungeons. Your DWA warrior is a dps loss when you already have one and anyone wanting to make a run as fast as possible should never accept 2nd warrior. That’s a sad truth.
Also, long cooldowns? Are we talking about warriors or something else now?
Long cooldowns of other classes like ele. I’ve been pugging dungeons for years now and 2-3 warriors in a group ALWAYS had more dps than 2-3 ele or 2-3 guard groups in my experience of nearly thousand runs with hundreds of different folk.
Also. zerk necro with dagger/warhorn locust swarm plus golem is great dps. Almost as good as a thief. People need to recognize this and ditch staff, scepter nonsense in order to not get kicked.
Long cooldowns of other classes like ele. I’ve been pugging dungeons for years now and 2-3 warriors in a group ALWAYS had more dps than 2-3 ele or 2-3 guard groups in my experience of nearly thousand runs with hundreds of different folk.
Also. zerk necro with dagger/warhorn locust swarm plus golem is great dps. Almost as good as a thief. People need to recognize this and ditch staff, scepter nonsense in order to not get kicked.
If pug eles can’t match warrior dps I feel sorry for everyone that pug. But I wasn’t aware that lh autoattack had a cooldown
Long cooldowns of other classes like ele. I’ve been pugging dungeons for years now and 2-3 warriors in a group ALWAYS had more dps than 2-3 ele
Oh man, now I know you’re trolling. That’s hilarious. Btw, lava font has like a 5 second CD. But yeah, even if we take FGS out of the equation, 3 Ele will still out-dps 3 Warriors by a pretty far margin. It wouldn’t be very close. If you take FGS into account, which you would in the real world, one Ele might out-dps 3 Warriors.
Warriors are the pug choice because this profession is fairly self-sufficient and pugs by definition won’t have a high level of coordination. Warriors stack might by themselves really easy and effortlessly. But since feature patch there is this trait that makes picking more than one warrior even for pugs pointless. It’s called phalanx strength.
Long cooldowns of other classes like ele. I’ve been pugging dungeons for years now and 2-3 warriors in a group ALWAYS had more dps than 2-3 ele
Oh man, now I know you’re trolling. That’s hilarious. Btw, lava font has like a 5 second CD. But yeah, even if we take FGS out of the equation, 3 Ele will still out-dps 3 Warriors by a pretty far margin. It wouldn’t be very close. If you take FGS into account, which you would in the real world, one Ele might out-dps 3 Warriors.
+1
I don’t pug since I found dungeon active guild and we play with all classes.
I think that “Warrior is the best dps” come from people who have no idea how play this game. Let’s say:
– one warrior looking for group, but he know that he is bad so he need one more warrior to compensate that, because he think that warrior is the best dps → so he will get group with 2 warriors and some other classes with at least 5k AP!
– but after 3 minutes in dungeon they died two times, so they kick all other classes and use lfg to find 3 more warriors
– after 3 minutes in dungeon they died 4 times, so they kick warrior with lowest AP and use lfg to find guardian
– after 3 minutes they died and all blame guardian
True story ^^
If you are good, you don’t realy have to play with this people..
I don`t know what are you talking about ,everyday i do 7 paths of dung just for gold and I always take 3 warriors+1 ele+guardian(me). And they are quick and easy , boss dies in 15 sec ,when enemies hit you warriors don`t die they keep dpsing . But when I join group full of random pugs omg dung takes forever and then we are dying .
And getting kicked by four 2k AP warriors, which I know suck big time, but that’s better than no playing.
Thanks for that Anet. Gj on PvE balancing. And I though PvP was kittened up…
OK first thing, did they say they only wanted those 3 classes? Because if they did, you shouldn’t have joined. You said you have 15k AP, so is it ok to say 2k AP is too low? You’re basically saying they should accept you because of your high AP but it’s a case of your prejudice vs theirs. You don’t determine another person’s group, this isn’t kindergarten where everyone has to play together in the sandbox. You can always get your own sandbox and group of people. The next thing…most rangers are terrible for pve. Bearbow rangers are everywhere, very few seem to use the spotter trait or carry melee weapons. They didn’t kick you for any personal reason, so don’t take it personally- we’ve all been kicked for 1 reason or another and we don’t make tons of topics because someone didn’t want us in their sandbox.
While most of what you said is true,
I have never been kicked from any group…in ANY GAME. Speak for yourself.
Warrior/guardians are the only winners forever.
You might want a single ele for FGS but you don t really care what else it does.
Its all about the skill floor/ceiling.
Warrior has the lowest of both and guard is not that far in pve.
You don t really notice if you have good or bad ones.
Current meta is based on the least use of skill possible.
And i doubt anything will ever beat heavy professions.
(even DPS ele is way dumber than any balanced profession…unfortunately its also more effective).
P.S. i recently leveled a war… is WAY easier than i thougt.
P.P.S. in the past we had fotm parties asking for 7000 AP (were a lot at that time) when Fractal basically gave no AP and no fractal player could have those much XD.
GW2 balance:
A PvE player is supposed to avoid a 1-2 second 1 shotting aoe.
A WWW player is considered uncapable of avoiding a 5,75 second aoe for half his health.
That’s fine, cos you surely suck. Now back to your cave.
EDIT:
the aim wasn’t to trash them for having 2k AP, but to once again bring attention to the pithole the game’s PvE is in right now. And please refrain from derogative troll posts like ICEings’s.
So you join a party that specifically asked for something other than what you’re bringing and are upset because they kicked you?
If they asked for “x class” and you’re not that class why would you expect NOT to get kicked?
If you got to a restaurant and order a dish, and you get another dish will you just sit there and take that? I think not.
If here they fall they shall live on when ever you cry “For Ascalon!”
Warrior/guardians are the only winners forever.
You might want a single ele for FGS but you don t really care what else it does.
Its all about the skill floor/ceiling.
Warrior has the lowest of both and guard is not that far in pve.
You don t really notice if you have good or bad ones.
Current meta is based on the least use of skill possible.
And i doubt anything will ever beat heavy professions.
(even DPS ele is way dumber than any balanced profession…unfortunately its also more effective).
P.S. i recently leveled a war… is WAY easier than i thougt.
P.P.S. in the past we had fotm parties asking for 7000 AP (were a lot at that time) when Fractal basically gave no AP and no fractal player could have those much XD.
If it was based on the least use of skill possible, why is it that dungeon guilds can complete, say, Arah paths 2x, 3x, if not 4x or more faster than your average berserker group?
Sorry OP, you clearly joined a group that advertised for certain classes, and then got upset they booted you?
Worth noting: a player can hit 14k AP without stepping foot in a dungeon. You could very well be a dungeon noob and have 14k AP. Your AP alone isn’t a statement about your dungeon-ing abilities. Source: I have 13k AP and there are plenty of dungeon paths I’ve never even stepped foot in, if some group wanted to speed run X path I’ve never done, I would be a hindrance. I wouldn’t be bad at it, but I wouldn’t be up to speedrunning caliber, where you don’t even need to speak you just knock it out. I would be all like “are we skipping these?” “what’s this encounter like?” “do I need reflect/stability for this?” etc.
Plus, if I was to be on, let’s say my Mesmer, which is my 7th level 80 character. I am significantly worse at that class than my Guardian or my Elementalist, so should they assume because I have 13k AP that I’m awesome with every class? How would people know which character is my main versus some alt that I’m still trying to figure out.
Do I think that their post was stupid and didn’t helped them in any way to complete their dungeon faster? Absolutely.
Do i think that they are probably bad player just taking strait information from the community without thinking it through (ya most ranger suck, but a good build on a ranger is awesome)? Of course.
But I also think that everybody can make their own choose. Its a game after all and everybody should be able to play how they want with who they want.
2 years old and the balance hasn’t moved a bit in the right direction since the game’s launch.
Good players don’t have any worry to bring any profession in a dungeon if the player know what he’s doing and complain that this and this could be better. Bad Player complain that balance is kitten in the game and only play with 3 professions.
>We had a thief.
>Thief never thought to drop SR or blast smoke screen to help skip trash.
>Spiders alone took 30 minutes for group to pass.
>Got to Lupi.
>I’m first one inside.
>Slow warrior pulls champ inside.
>Pulls it to me.
>Champ aggros to me.
>Warrior and thief stand there watching me kite it.
>They tell me to just die and run back.
>Thief refuses to drop SR.
>They refuse to just kill the champ.
>I leave group.
>over 45 minutes of my life wasted.
Should have ran to abom, soloed it, ran away from the warrior pulling the champ to you and let them die.
We were inside the Lupi arena. There wasn’t really anywhere to run. I tried to get the champ aggro’d back to the warrior, but they kept their distance and kept telling me to “kitten off” and go wipe and run back.
I shouldn’t have had to do anything. All of our problems would have been solved if the thief had thought to press one button. Or if the stupid warrior had been paying attention when skipping.
Yes but it happens only on Medium armor level,rest is ok…
The best is to make your own group or be someone you know the leader or just solo 3 options to avoid kicking…and be glad that you never got kicked before loot by troll pre-made teams.
only way it works is if we all respect each others lfg
but i just wanted to suggest that wars develop an attitude…. they begin to believe that they must be pro because the class is so good it goes to their head…. the only example i have to back this up is myself … i had a bit of an attitide on my war
only way it works is if we all respect each others lfg
but i just wanted to suggest that wars develop an attitude…. they begin to believe that they must be pro because the class is so good it goes to their head…. the only example i have to back this up is myself … i had a bit of an attitide on my war
This is the correct answer. People play Warrior and see the huge numbers of Hundred Blades or the quick numbers on axe, and with the natural durability that Warrior has they assume that Warrior does the most damage. They see the Ele get downed next to them and think they’re a noob who sucks, not realizing that the Ele has already done more damage in the fight than they will do for the whole fight. I remember a Warrior in a reddit post once scoffing at the idea that a Thief could out-dps him and his 30k HBs. HB is a 4 second channel. A Thief can land a CnD, backstab, full auto chain, and another CnD backstab combo in 4 seconds. On a zerker Thief that’s probably going to be about 45k damage total. And that is Thief’s regular rotation. So a Thief in his regular dps rotation does 50% more dps than a Warrior doing his “burst” skill.
One thing I will definitely give Warrior, however, is that it excels at trash skipping because of the great mobility and durability it has. I think this is a larger reason why I see so many “warrior only” posts for runs like Arah, some of those trash runs can be difficult for lighter classes that aren’t as mobile.
The issue isn’t people making warrior only groups, everyone is free to play with whoever they like. Warrior only groups are the symptom.
The issue is that warrior only groups are the most effective and brain dead way to play and it’s on anet to balance the game so other classes are desirable.
I came back after a 6 months pause from gw2, and what i saw in pve was so stupid…
I have 4 classes, and in PvE i usually use only my warrior, simply because is faceroll, and i have 7,5k AP, so i can join every group.
But every time i see a guy that request a kick to a ranger / necro or because the guy have only 2k AP i leave the group and re-invite the poor guy.
I’m not gonna support this attitude ever in this game.
And most of all, the PvE is so easy that is simply stupid to lose 15 minutes trying to create a perfect party when most of the dungeons last less than 10 minutes…
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R.I.P. my beloved Meh-Mer, the most hated class by ANET itself.
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Works fine for me