Guild Wars 2

I have a question, what is the language that should be spoken in International servers, I am thinking it is english as it is the world language, but I could get some confirmations.

I would like to know also, since there are single minded people that only speaks the language that they want in the /map chat, ruining game experience for others that don’t understand the language. I’s also considered not polite.

Arrhhh worst question ever ;D
Well I think the main language of an International language should be English cause it’s the most spoken language in the world but I personally belive that if someone want to talk in their own language (even in map) they can, cause it’s international.
If they talk in their language that means it’s reserved to a certain type of people (for example on Fow we’ve got a LOT of italians speaking italian for creating groups etc), and mostly people talk their language cause they’re not so good to at english and stay in the International server cause they don’t have their own server. I’m on the International one and I usually see “Make a party and chat there”, well it’s not easy when you want to talk to ALL people that speak your language and it’s something important. True is the fact, lot of people talk in map about not so important thing, in many languages.

So my opinion is: TO ALL: English. But if you want to talk to your country-people, you must feel free to do it, obviously without spamming.

English is not the most spoken language in the world. English is my only language but I have no problem with people speaking whatever language they want.

Gamakatana.1746:

I would like to know also, since there are single minded people that only speaks the language that they want in the /map chat, ruining game experience for others that don’t understand the language. I’s also considered not polite.

Excuse me, but how are they ruining your experience? This doesn’t make sense unless you are hyper sensitive about… something. If I see a language I dont understand in chat I simply ignore (not block) that sentence. How hard can that be? Also stop the not being polite nonsense. They like to write in their native language just as much as you do. You are over thinking it to much, since that person probably doesn’t even know you are there.

Around where I live just walking down the street I constantly hear people talking in languages I dont understand, it doesn’t bother me (well expect for the urge to learn their language so that I can understand them) or do I consider them rude.

Errata corrige: I mean between people from different countries

Pradton.8576:

Excuse me, but how are they ruining your experience? This doesn’t make sense unless you are hyper sensitive about… something.

Unfortunately there are a lot of people that do not accept other languages but theirs in Map chat. They blame others and, 20 mins later, you can easily see them chatting in their own language.
The fact is that, sometimes, they arrive to offend countries and people criticizing some difficult national situation. Well, it’s a game and read those thing gives me chills.

Thing is English isn’t my mother language, its Portuguese, yet I understand some why some people complain about the map not being spoken in english, for once, it becomes really hard for me to find my own place in a community, because I cant seem to understand whatever is going on.

Gamakatana.1746:

I would like to know also, since there are single minded people that only speaks the language that they want in the /map chat, ruining game experience for others that don’t understand the language. I’s also considered not polite.

People like you make this world worse…. “people that only speaks the language that they want” i can’t understand how possible you turn that in a problem.
You want to force them to speak your language?

Then is it possible to tag a world for english speaking players like you did for DE, FR or ES?

“If anyone is verbally abusing people for speaking a different language from them, please report them.” I respect what you are stating, but how am i suposed to know they are insulting if i don’t understand the language? I mean i’m Portuguese and i talk english to be polite to other people!

ReginaBuenaobra.6953:

On Worlds that do not have a designated language tag (i.e. DE, FR, or ES), people may speak whatever language they wish to speak. If anyone is verbally abusing people for speaking a different language from them, please report them.

@Gamakatana: not everyone speaks English. This is an international game. Players should be able to speak whatever language they wish to and play in peace.

Then how about making English servers? What’s the point of even having the DE/FR/ES servers if you can speak whatever language you want in any server? I’d rather have everyone speak English on the server I play on, thank you.

First of all: Since I’m German I’m not affected by this problem at all ^^

International server are international, therefore every language should be legit, no arguement there. What I don’t get is, why there are no English servers.

I agree with Freshwater Kangaroo. Why there isn’t a english server, if there is a server for i.e DE, FR, or ES and on the others they can speak the languages they want?

Freshwater Kangaroo.8962:

ReginaBuenaobra.6953:

On Worlds that do not have a designated language tag (i.e. DE, FR, or ES), people may speak whatever language they wish to speak. If anyone is verbally abusing people for speaking a different language from them, please report them.

@Gamakatana: not everyone speaks English. This is an international game. Players should be able to speak whatever language they wish to and play in peace.

Then how about making English servers? What’s the point of even having the DE/FR/ES servers if you can speak whatever language you want in any server? I’d rather have everyone speak English on the server I play on, thank you.

Aside of maybe some European servers, that’s completely unnecessary. English speakers are the extreme majority in most servers and you really don’t get to hear anything else on map chat.

Eochaidh.4106:

Freshwater Kangaroo.8962:

ReginaBuenaobra.6953:

On Worlds that do not have a designated language tag (i.e. DE, FR, or ES), people may speak whatever language they wish to speak. If anyone is verbally abusing people for speaking a different language from them, please report them.

@Gamakatana: not everyone speaks English. This is an international game. Players should be able to speak whatever language they wish to and play in peace.

Then how about making English servers? What’s the point of even having the DE/FR/ES servers if you can speak whatever language you want in any server? I’d rather have everyone speak English on the server I play on, thank you.

Aside of maybe some European servers, that’s completely unnecessary. English speakers are the extreme majority in most servers and you really don’t get to hear anything else on map chat.

I am playing on the European servers.

@ReginaBuenaobra but if the international servers dont have a fixed language then everyone else is gonna speak their own language and say whatever they want(meaning insults are included). How am I suppose to know when someone else is insulting me when i dunno the language?

Keikat.1752:

@ReginaBuenaobra but if the international servers dont have a fixed language then everyone else is gonna speak their own language and say whatever they want(meaning insults are included). How am I suppose to know when someone else is insulting me when i dunno the language?

What he said

How can a community be built when we cant understand what other players are saying ?

Why cant we have designated EN servers in europe, we have DE FR and ES ?

Gamakatana.1746:

For the start, i’m Portuguese so @mariannitten, your arguement is invalid. I mean me and Keikat are portuguese and we had english in school…. I’m in the game and all i see is foreign language everywhere, not understanding anything from map chat i think it’s not polite, as i am not spamming the map chat in portuguese, because i respect other people and nationality. Not every1 speaks english? i think every kid that is 12+ years old (that’s what Guild wars 2 is rated) speaks basic english, basic enough to understand the game or even talk with other people….

I am Brazilian and I completely agree that keeping map chat clean from foreign languages is the polite thing to do. Map chat is really something people should use for talking to everyone, not just those who use a certain language. English really is the most efficient one at that. I really just speak Portuguese when I know that the ones I’m directing the message at will understand it. It makes no sense otherwise.

Now, aside of map chat, I really wouldn’t like people to tell me to use another language when it really doesn’t concern them. It makes no sense for someone to come dictating me to speak something else when I am on /say talking to a few friends in Portuguese.

Freshwater Kangaroo.8962:

Eochaidh.4106:

Freshwater Kangaroo.8962:

ReginaBuenaobra.6953:

On Worlds that do not have a designated language tag (i.e. DE, FR, or ES), people may speak whatever language they wish to speak. If anyone is verbally abusing people for speaking a different language from them, please report them.

@Gamakatana: not everyone speaks English. This is an international game. Players should be able to speak whatever language they wish to and play in peace.

Then how about making English servers? What’s the point of even having the DE/FR/ES servers if you can speak whatever language you want in any server? I’d rather have everyone speak English on the server I play on, thank you.

Aside of maybe some European servers, that’s completely unnecessary. English speakers are the extreme majority in most servers and you really don’t get to hear anything else on map chat.

I am playing on the European servers.

Fair enough, then. I guess it really can be an issue in some of them.

We have no problem if you are speaking your own language on Guild chat, party or Say, we just dont want Map chat to be chaos because no one understands themselves.

Keikat.1752:

@ReginaBuenaobra but if the international servers dont have a fixed language then everyone else is gonna speak their own language and say whatever they want(meaning insults are included). How am I suppose to know when someone else is insulting me when i dunno the language?

Inquiry: If you can not understand what they are saying are they really insulting you?

My take: People can speak in whatever language they like. However if you want to be understood by the group you are talking too. It would be advised that you speak the language of the people you are talking too. If you know the language.

/say is a whole new meaning, for me you can talk whatever you want in /say, /map is the “community chat” and while talking other languages we are putting apart alot of people that doesn’t understand, you want to talk with a person directly? use /whisper chat.

Gamakatana.1746:

For the start, i’m Portuguese so @mariannitten, your arguement is invalid. I mean me and Keikat are portuguese and we had english in school…. I’m in the game and all i see is foreign language everywhere, not understanding anything from map chat i think it’s not polite, as i am not spamming the map chat in portuguese, because i respect other people and nationality. Not every1 speaks english? i think every kid that is 12+ years old (that’s what Guild wars 2 is rated) speaks basic english, basic enough to understand the game or even talk with other people….

I can speak basic english(i understand it perfecty, but i have some problems in writting). But these server are NOT tagged in any language.
I have no problem if you decide speak in Portuguese, make sense if you are talking with another portuguese people.

“not understanding anything from map chat i think it’s not polite, as i am not spamming the map chat in portuguese” <- Spamming is bad, regardless the language. I read soo many stupid things in English… that’s ok for you?

“i respect other people and nationality” <- Thats include their language, you are discriminating. If they can’t speak english because they didn’t go to a cool billingual school, is not a problem.

cool billingual school? what school doesn’t have english nowadays… I went to a crappy public school…

Since the message was in different language than you can understand then obviously it was not for you now was it? Want to understand it for whatever reason? Learn other languages.
Using specific language is great filter when looking for guild members.
As for forcing players to use “world” language well. I am no lawyer, but I doubt you can do that in EU.

Gamakatana.1746:

cool billingual school? what school doesn’t have english nowadays… I went to a crappy public school…

Saying not speaking your languange or any languange you like “I’s also considered not polite.”. Thas is discrimination. Stop saying crappy excuses, you are racist and you should fell ashamed.

I would like to request EN worlds then.

Makes no sense to have non-marked worlds a free to speak whatever you want, yet have DE/FR worlds where you have to speak said languages ( im talking map chat.).

Again, if this is the policy adopted for non-marked worlds, i want to see EN worlds, and an extended free migration to those worlds.

I rest my argument, never seen this in any other game.

Ok, so you basically deleted my comment for 3 of the words in it. Let me re-post that, but without the first line of text that apparently was too violent for this forum.

What is the point of the servers with language tags if you can speak any language on any server? What’s with the special treatment? Is it because they have the option to change all text in-game to their language etc? Because there is clearly an option for English too. I want English servers.

Gamakatana.1746:

/say is a whole new meaning, for me you can talk whatever you want in /say, /map is the “community chat” and while talking other languages we are putting apart alot of people that doesn’t understand, you want to talk with a person directly? use /whisper chat.

so if someone has a problem or a question but can’t formulate it properly in english you expect him to a) run around in say till he finds someone or b) whisper random people if they can help him in his mother language?

you will see other languages in chat, so better get used to it. like someone might ask you for the current time in his native language on the street. it just happens.

Lctl.6198:

Makes no sense to have non-marked worlds a free to speak whatever you want, yet have DE/FR worlds where you have to speak said languages ( im talking map chat.).

protip: even on these servers people are not always speaking german or french in map chat. imagine that…

Gray: What a great pro tip right there! Do you want to know why that is? It’s because when you get into the overflow you get pushed to ANY server that has free space, that includes the other language servers. Stop saying “protip” when you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

I am sorry Miss Buenaobra, but I’m going to have to disagree with your opinion. GW2 is a game that, specially because of it’s Pay once and play for ever model, should have an official language for the general chat (in this case /m or /map). Even before the game was out (this includes the head-start) communities were already deciding on their own that certain servers would become these so called “Unnoficial” X language server. This resulted in a great deal of players of a specific language to flood these servers.

When me and my friends joined the game we decided to join a server, which common sense dictates, if it is not language tagged it will be of the default game language. Since we knew there would not be a specific server for our language, and we all know English to some degree , we decided to join the server we are currently located at.

At first the community showed a helpful and enjoyable environment, specifically in the /m chat across the several areas in which this chat is available. And then they came. The members of those communities that had decided on their own that this server we were now on was of X language started coming and suddenly the chat became flooded with sentences I had no idea what they meant. There were occasions in which we would even be told, should we speak in English in /m: “This is a [Language here] Server, so please speak [X].” I’m sorry WHAT? Oh but it goes on.
Should we try to argue with them about the language in the chat, 9 out of 10 times we would end up being called racists, Nazi’s even and other similes, and we would be so called for reasons that don’t even relate. Such as…and this is almost a direct quote:
“Why can’t you guys speak a language we can all understand in /m… geez”
“Wow, you are racist against non-English people shut up idiot.”
….I think I don’t need to tell you what followed after, I reported him and nothing happened. As with every report made by me and my friends-_-

But we continued to argue on, and we somewhat got support on both sides. But there are still a considerable number of people who refuse to accept it.

Those who accepted it were people who understand one thing that should be common sense to anyone play an MMO. When you speak in a global chat (or any chat that encompasses a whole area/zone for that matter) you are speaking to EVERYONE in said area/zone, and not to someone in specific or a certain group of individuals, but rather everyone. And to those that do not understand a a chat is considered Global, or in this case Area-Wide, when its reach goes beyond that of /s and /y and is see able by everyone, unlike /p and /g which are private chats.

You see the argument where not everyone understands English works both ways and is more relevant on the opposite side to that it is being used. Some people may not understand English BUT you can trust me when I say that there are a lot less people that understand you own language. You mustn’t forget that the English language is the most widespread language in the world and that most countries teach it in school from very early on (my own country for instance has started teaching it since grade 1 in recent years) not to mention that the language is used so much everywhere that you are due to end up picking up the language, or part of it, inevitably.

It’s not a mater of enforcing our preferred language upon anyone but rather of everyone using a language, in a chat where you speak with everyone, that everyone can understand. (cont.)

(cont.) If you really can’t understand English and still want to communicate in your original language why not do it in a guild of other people of your country that, even if they can’t help you, can more than likely use English to ask for you in /m. That is what a community is all about, helping each other. How ever, if you are so adamant of your opinion that /m should be a cluster-bomb of random talking, each in its own language, then may I suggest the following. The addition of a Channel system for the chat that will separate the /m chat in it’s default channel and in user created (or Gm-through request created) channels for each specific language the users want to use. And seeing as the tab system in the chat window already allows for filtering of certain channels in tabs, this should not be something hard to do.

Now, this is what I think, it is MY opinion. The same way you have yours I an entitled to my own regardless of me liking your opinion or not and Vice-Versa. In a totally biased way I still believe that my opinion of what language should be spoken in this specific chat is, is the correct one, and if not then the solution I suggested to be the most appropriate. This opinion will likely not be shared with you however, but it is still my opinion, it isn’t superior to anyone else’s nor is it inferior.

And to avoid confusion, I have nothing against people of different countries who speak different languages to my own. In fact the interaction with these people is something I really enjoy (specially in MMO’s) and that I encourage to all my friends and relatives. However it’s point fall to naught when we cannot understand one another. This interaction of different people and cultures is something I believe enriches oneself more than one single individual or religion, and contributes to a very good growth in maturity of a person, into being someone who is more aware of others who do not share the same nation(I am unsure in this term/word, unsure it explains what I am trying to transmit).

I leave here my opinion and will enjoy any CONSTRUCTIVE opinions and criticisms you may have but will disregard, and ask you do the same, any other type of comments made here with the intent of flaming or the inevitable trolling.

PS: Also returning to the example of the conversation in which I got called a racist. I followed his comment with a: “WOW, that doesn’t even relate to anything I have talked about so far, do you even know the meaning of the word?”
to which I got answered with: “Oh I’m sorry I cannot speak English very well, but if you want to continue this discussion in [X language]……”
. . . And yet you were able to call me a racist and tell me this right now with no apparent mistakes……that is just rude and disrepectful.

Freshwater Kangaroo.8962:

I want English servers.

last time I checked there were servers where english is the preferred language. just as the “special treatment” servers where another language is preferred.

keyword here is “preferred”, not “only allowed language”.

Freshwater Kangaroo.8962:

Gray: What a great pro tip right there! Do you want to know why that is? It’s because when you get into the overflow you get pushed to ANY server that has free space, that includes the other language servers. Stop saying “protip” when you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

says the guy who probably never actually played on a german or french server (so has no clue what languages are spoken there – and I’m not talking about overflow), has no understanding what the language tag in the world selection actually means nor how it is enforced.

you’re right, it’s not actually “pro”. it basic common sense.

In every game but this one the language tag has a meaning. Also, Gray, you’re still an idiot. It’s the overflow that makes it so that there’s more English or whatever language than there otherwise would be. Please, stop commenting if you’re just going to try to talk your way out of that.

I can completely understand why people would want to find a server where the majority of people speak the same language they do, or at least one they’re fluent in. You lose a huge part of the point of a multiplayer game if you’re unable to communicate with other players.

I think this is a big part of the reason server transfers are free and unlimited right now – because during the betas a lot of people had problems where they picked a server at random and found themselves unable to understand the majority of players. This isn’t an ideal situation IMO but at least you can server hop until you find one where most people are speaking your language of choice (assuming enough GW2 players do speak it).

That said I also think everyone should be absolutely free to speak whatever language they want on any server. You just have to accept that if you choose to write in a language the majority of people aren’t using then the majority of people might well not understand you and won’t respond. But you shouldn’t be penalised for it.

Gray.9650:

Freshwater Kangaroo.8962:

Gray: What a great pro tip right there! Do you want to know why that is? It’s because when you get into the overflow you get pushed to ANY server that has free space, that includes the other language servers. Stop saying “protip” when you clearly have no idea what you are talking about.

says the guy who probably never actually played on a german or french server (so has no clue what languages are spoken there – and I’m not talking about overflow), has no understanding what the language tag in the world selection actually means nor how it is enforced.

you’re right, it’s not actually “pro”. it basic common sense.

Gray, thr problem here is simple, if people arent speaking german or french on a respectively flagged world, thats a breach in conduct for that said world and its -rules-.

However, what anet is saying here, is that, that rule is not valid for english.

Do you understand the difference mate?

On a DE/FR world, even if they dont always speak those languages, its implied as a rule that those are the languages to be used.

That, apperently, is not the case with non-marked worlds.

By default non marked worlds have a moderated rule of “speak preferebly english”. Im not forcing people to only speaking english, but without this rule, people will just do whatever they want without minimum respect. Because they CAN.

Im fine with guild recruitment, the occasional chat in swe/rus wtv. Im not fine, however, on having my realm spammed to death in every language other than english. Just cause they CAN.

Exloar.4895:

The members of those communities that had decided on their own that this server we were now on was of X language started coming and suddenly the chat became flooded with sentences I had no idea what they meant. There were occasions in which we would even be told, should we speak in English in /m: “This is a [Language here] Server, so please speak [X].” I’m sorry WHAT? Oh but it goes on.

I’m in a Spanish guild. ANY OF US would do that. These people are kids. I found English speaking people with same issues. Is not "the community. Simply TROLLS.. DON’T FEED THE TROLLS.

Exloar.4895:

“Why can’t you guys speak a language we can all understand in /m… geez”
“Wow, you are racist against non-English people shut up idiot.”
I think I don’t need to tell you what followed after, I reported him and nothing happened.

Againg, don’t argue with kids. If someone said that to you, report them. Insults are not acceptable in any languange.
And if ANET did nothing with that, maybe wasn’t like that. They already show us the ZERO Tolerance in insulting.

If i found someone asking anithing in english, i answert in english. If i found someone asking in spanish, i respond in spanish. If i found some saying something in a languange that i don’t understand, i say nothing. It’s simple.

(cont)