Guild Wars 2

Hello there,

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T1: Triumphant Armor (exotic)
T2: Triumphant Hero’s Armor (ascended)
T3: Mistforged Triumphant Hero’s Armor (ascended again???)

Increase the requirements to get the T3 armor and make it legendary.

best regards
the (un)happy armorer

increase the requirement?
it already takes 2 years of non stop playing to get to rank 2000
it’s requirement is already miles beyond legendary

But I’m fine with making it legendary, alternative ways should exist. but then PvP will be said they can’t get to legendary armor yet. And it should still require the monetary investment, as well as gifts of might and magic, and clovers

Yeah, considering the requirement it’s definitely more deserving to be legendary than raid armor is.

Astralporing.1957:

Yeah, considering the requirement it’s definitely more deserving to be legendary than raid armor is.

The difference is time and effort
Raid armor is high effort
Triumphant armor is high time consuming
Anyone can consume time if they don’t have a job, and don’t get RSI from gaming 24/7 until they have it

Astralporing.1957:

Yeah, considering the requirement it’s definitely more deserving to be legendary than raid armor is.

it depends

it is way easier then raids
just more grind … but easy grind that a lower skilled player can do too

Yes it takes longer but it is still easier to do

To be fair, a lower skilled player could pretty easily buy a carry through raids too.

Ture a lot of people I know just buy carrys in raids so they can get the armor without doing any work. In wvw you have to lvl up yourself there is no one you can pay to give you your lvl.

Make t3 legendary it’s well deserved for the grind fest.

I support this motion of making it legendary and i wont get it anytime soon being a level 254 noobie

I oppose to making it legendary directly and if it would be considered to add WvW legendary armor I would suggest the 3rd armor would become precursor armor.

If this were implemented the requirements should be lowered to ~silver level (620) to allow all ppl to aquire it. So the special 2000 level armor would be devalued to allow anyone to start legendary armor.

With the stat swap only becoming available after gifts comparable to those of the backpack or the other legendary armor.

My suggestion would be:

The Gift of Prosperity and the Gift of Prowess could be used as a base
I’d suggest replacing the Gift of Craftmanship (part of the gift of Prosperity)

The Gift of Prowess could be used as a whole, maybe replacing the Ball of Stabilized energy for a plain Ball of Dark Matter, provided WvW ascneded armor and trinkets could give acces to the ball of dark energy.

This would mean there is a need to replace the gift of Dedication with a new Gift…

Prolems could arise IMHO with what to use for this gift… cause all consumables and tokens are abundant in WvW… and making a gift based upon WVW tokens, bottles and memories of battle and skirmish tickets comes to mind….

I think this would suffice, and be a great way to swap this armor to legendaries and I’d find the changees in line with the other legendary armor presently available. it would also reduce the time to be able to get it from 2 years to ~7-8 months, provided you can get the mats to craft it.

Ben K.6238:

To be fair, a lower skilled player could pretty easily buy a carry through raids too.

Yes but.. they need to do crystalline heart stuff that CANNOT just be bought and carried. They need weeks and weeks of LI to be bought. And if they are hindering their group too much they won’t last long in the group.

Wvw only again consumes… time. Very little money. Time wise to get – legendary. Effort and skill as far as doing things right – newbie level. (Join tag —> follow).

Though be lucky that the armor actually looks good and decent .

Honestly, the Wvw armor might as well be a 5th bday gift to WvW players. If that’s your only game mode it’s basically a login reward. It looks ok but the lack of prestige due to it taking no real skill to get kills it for me. There’s certainly NOTHING legendary about it.

Zalavaaris.5329:

Honestly, the Wvw armor might as well be a 5th bday gift to WvW players. If that’s your only game mode it’s basically a login reward. It looks ok but the lack of prestige due to it taking no real skill to get kills it for me. There’s certainly NOTHING legendary about it.

Then again all of the legendary weapons are just a money grind, yet they are still legendaries. The current rank requirements just makes the armor available for the dedicated WvW players, which is good and in my opinion makes it prestigious.

Huttunen.8309:

Zalavaaris.5329:

Honestly, the Wvw armor might as well be a 5th bday gift to WvW players. If that’s your only game mode it’s basically a login reward. It looks ok but the lack of prestige due to it taking no real skill to get kills it for me. There’s certainly NOTHING legendary about it.

Then again all of the legendary weapons are just a money grind, yet they are still legendaries. The current rank requirements just makes the armor available for the dedicated WvW players, which is good and in my opinion makes it prestigious.

Theres a lot more to legendary weapons. Especially ones like Nevermore etc. But that’s besides the point. Legendary weapons to t3 is apples to oranges. You’d need to compare t3 to legendary armor. Now that’s legendary because it requires you complete tasks that some people may never complete even after 10 years of being a pure pve player.

Zalavaaris.5329:

Huttunen.8309:

Zalavaaris.5329:

Honestly, the Wvw armor might as well be a 5th bday gift to WvW players. If that’s your only game mode it’s basically a login reward. It looks ok but the lack of prestige due to it taking no real skill to get kills it for me. There’s certainly NOTHING legendary about it.

Then again all of the legendary weapons are just a money grind, yet they are still legendaries. The current rank requirements just makes the armor available for the dedicated WvW players, which is good and in my opinion makes it prestigious.

Theres a lot more to legendary weapons. Especially ones like Nevermore etc. But that’s besides the point. Legendary weapons to t3 is apples to oranges. You’d need to compare t3 to legendary armor. Now that’s legendary because it requires you complete tasks that some people may never complete even after 10 years of being a pure pve player.

Well besides the few legendary’s with a journey you can just buy them with gold.

You could argue that you can buy yourself the raids too for the heart and then only do the easy ones. You don’t have to buy yourself the whole 150 li because vale guard, gorse, escort, and wing 4 1-3 are extreamly easy. That’s 6 easy li every week so it won’t take super long to get the legy armor after all. Even the other bosses are easy to be honest. Raiders always seem to think their content is harder than it really is. Takes less then 3h for me to clear everything every week and I’m not a harcore pve player (wouldn’t even call myself a pve’ler at all since I just play everything).

Going up to rank 2000 takes forever yes you can get there by mindlessly grinding it but killing the same bosses over and over again isn’t a lot different from it. Harder in the beginning I give you that but a LOT quicker then getting to rank 2000. The time it takes to get to rank 2000 put instead into farming/tp trading and you could easily buy yourself the li in pve so…what’s the difference.

+However costs to make yourself the armor should be comparable (400-500g) because otherwise you will have players with 10 sets of legy armor which shouldn’t be the case afterall.

Valfaros.6908:

Zalavaaris.5329:

Huttunen.8309:

Zalavaaris.5329:

Honestly, the Wvw armor might as well be a 5th bday gift to WvW players. If that’s your only game mode it’s basically a login reward. It looks ok but the lack of prestige due to it taking no real skill to get kills it for me. There’s certainly NOTHING legendary about it.

Then again all of the legendary weapons are just a money grind, yet they are still legendaries. The current rank requirements just makes the armor available for the dedicated WvW players, which is good and in my opinion makes it prestigious.

Theres a lot more to legendary weapons. Especially ones like Nevermore etc. But that’s besides the point. Legendary weapons to t3 is apples to oranges. You’d need to compare t3 to legendary armor. Now that’s legendary because it requires you complete tasks that some people may never complete even after 10 years of being a pure pve player.

Well besides the few legendary’s with a journey you can just buy them with gold.

You could argue that you can buy yourself the raids too for the heart and then only do the easy ones. You don’t have to buy yourself the whole 150 li because vale guard, gorse, escort, and wing 4 1-3 are extreamly easy. That’s 6 easy li every week so it won’t take super long to get the legy armor after all. Even the other bosses are easy to be honest. Raiders always seem to think their content is harder than it really is. Takes less then 3h for me to clear everything every week and I’m not a harcore pve player (wouldn’t even call myself a pve’ler at all since I just play everything).

Going up to rank 2000 takes forever yes you can get there by mindlessly grinding it but killing the same bosses over and over again isn’t a lot different from it. Harder in the beginning I give you that but a LOT quicker then getting to rank 2000. The time it takes to get to rank 2000 put instead into farming/tp trading and you could easily buy yourself the li in pve so…what’s the difference.

+However costs to make yourself the armor should be comparable (400-500g) because otherwise you will have players with 10 sets of legy armor which shouldn’t be the case afterall.

6 bosses a week would be 25 weeks for the first set of armor. The second set would take you 50 weeks. Its also important to note that you can’t just buy the requirements because the heart collection is personal. You can’t buy the cairn heart. You’re either good enough to do it or you’re not. And I agree with you about the difficulty. Raids in this game are laughably easy. However, they require a HELL of a lot more effort and skill than gaining 2k rank in wvw. That just speaks to how easy following a blob around is. Now let me just say this.. I KNOW wvw is more than blobbing.. But you have you look at the lowest denominator in required effort. You can get to 2k by blobbing and that is arguably the best way to get 2k. Anyone can do that and chances are, anyone that happened to choose wvw from the beginning have already reached that due to ease. You don’t just get legendary armor for being a pve player for 4 years. It still requires you to earn it. This can’t be said about t3 armor. But perhaps that’s why it’s not legendary. After all, anet did say that raids are the most challenging group content in the game. Even the devs say that it’s significantly harder than wvw (another potential reason that t3 isn’t legendary).

Zalavaaris.5329:

Even the devs say that it’s significantly harder than wvw (another potential reason that t3 isn’t legendary).

I allways find it funny when people just cant resist to throw that last sentence that is complete made up bs, shows their bias and basicly invaldates their whole post.

Zalavaaris.5329:

6 bosses a week would be 25 weeks for the first set of armor. The second set would take you 50 weeks. Its also important to note that you can’t just buy the requirements because the heart collection is personal. You can’t buy the cairn heart. You’re either good enough to do it or you’re not. And I agree with you about the difficulty. Raids in this game are laughably easy. However, they require a HELL of a lot more effort and skill than gaining 2k rank in wvw. That just speaks to how easy following a blob around is. Now let me just say this.. I KNOW wvw is more than blobbing.. But you have you look at the lowest denominator in required effort. You can get to 2k by blobbing and that is arguably the best way to get 2k. Anyone can do that and chances are, anyone that happened to choose wvw from the beginning have already reached that due to ease. You don’t just get legendary armor for being a pve player for 4 years. It still requires you to earn it. This can’t be said about t3 armor. But perhaps that’s why it’s not legendary. After all, anet did say that raids are the most challenging group content in the game. Even the devs say that it’s significantly harder than wvw (another potential reason that t3 isn’t legendary).

Okay yes it’s 25 weeks but it’s doing the bosses once a week. If you go only for the easiest bosses how long is that going to take you 1h maybe 2h?…That’s 25h or 50h effort.
+The things for the heart which you can buy for what 1k gold for the rest? And how is following your commander in pve to the green circels any more difficult than following your commander in wvw. It’s not like you have only milliseconds time to do it. If you ask for it when you buy this they will almost certainly help you in anyway possible so that you get it (aka this player follow him, voice chat). Not that hard really.

Now we compare it to making 2k ranks okay you can blob okay let’s say you do 2 ranks per hour which on some servers or times can be hard. That brings us to 1000 hours effort.That is kittening 42 days of strait playing I’m sorry but in no way is this even close to compareable. That’s not even all that’s just the requirement to get them you didn’t earned them by that it’s just required to get them in the first place. Now if I to the math with my account worth down to 1k hours I get more than 20k gold without much farming. So you tell me isn’t that enough effort?

Now you talk from the lowest possible effort to get there what’s that in PvE buying yourself the raid. Not harder at all. Case closed.

Ranks aren’t even the bottleneck if I’m not mistaken. The reason it takes so long is the tickets which are capped weekly. Tons of people already have 2k+ WvW rank and will still need to wait a year to get the tickets regardless of how much or little they play.

Valfaros.6908:

Zalavaaris.5329:

6 bosses a week would be 25 weeks for the first set of armor. The second set would take you 50 weeks. Its also important to note that you can’t just buy the requirements because the heart collection is personal. You can’t buy the cairn heart. You’re either good enough to do it or you’re not. And I agree with you about the difficulty. Raids in this game are laughably easy. However, they require a HELL of a lot more effort and skill than gaining 2k rank in wvw. That just speaks to how easy following a blob around is. Now let me just say this.. I KNOW wvw is more than blobbing.. But you have you look at the lowest denominator in required effort. You can get to 2k by blobbing and that is arguably the best way to get 2k. Anyone can do that and chances are, anyone that happened to choose wvw from the beginning have already reached that due to ease. You don’t just get legendary armor for being a pve player for 4 years. It still requires you to earn it. This can’t be said about t3 armor. But perhaps that’s why it’s not legendary. After all, anet did say that raids are the most challenging group content in the game. Even the devs say that it’s significantly harder than wvw (another potential reason that t3 isn’t legendary).

Okay yes it’s 25 weeks but it’s doing the bosses once a week. If you go only for the easiest bosses how long is that going to take you 1h maybe 2h?…That’s 25h or 50h effort.
+The things for the heart which you can buy for what 1k gold for the rest? And how is following your commander in pve to the green circels any more difficult than following your commander in wvw. It’s not like you have only milliseconds time to do it. If you ask for it when you buy this they will almost certainly help you in anyway possible so that you get it (aka this player follow him, voice chat). Not that hard really.

Now we compare it to making 2k ranks okay you can blob okay let’s say you do 2 ranks per hour which on some servers or times can be hard. That brings us to 1000 hours effort.That is kittening 42 days of strait playing I’m sorry but in no way is this even close to compareable. That’s not even all that’s just the requirement to get them you didn’t earned them by that it’s just required to get them in the first place. Now if I to the math with my account worth down to 1k hours I get more than 20k gold without much farming. So you tell me isn’t that enough effort?

Now you talk from the lowest possible effort to get there what’s that in PvE buying yourself the raid. Not harder at all. Case closed.

But ranking is easy in WvW. You literally get free ranks just for doing the dailies.
Heck i wouldn’t be surprised to say you could get 10-15 ranks in 2hrs of play just seeking out dailies and escorting yaks.

Or you could quite literally go K-Train EoTM and get those ranks stupid quick.

Raid is effort…
1 month is all you need to reach that level of effort and then the rest of the months is just breezing through to farm the LI.

WvW leveling can get through blobbing, yep, no doubt. The question is the time to get it. That time can be reduced greatly by a skilled blob farming a unskilled blob. Ideally, players of each blob will try to improve themselves so they can farm (each other) thus the difficulty to farm should increase over time. However, for raid, once you reach a certain skill level, further pushing it will provide little advantage afterall, you will still kill the boss.

TexZero.7910:

But ranking is easy in WvW. You literally get free ranks just for doing the dailies.
Heck i wouldn’t be surprised to say you could get 10-15 ranks in 2hrs of play just seeking out dailies and escorting yaks.

Or you could quite literally go K-Train EoTM and get those ranks stupid quick.

You get free ranks for dailies really? Looks like you didn’t play a lot of wvw if any at all. You get progress in the reward track from the dailys (well doing stuff yes gives wXP but the dailys itself give you nothing additional).
So you wouldn’t be surpised 15 ranks for 2h that’s 1 rank every 8 minutes. Yeah buddy you never played wvw just go back to illusion city you cleary have no idea of what you speak.

People did you hear him escorting yaks new WXP farm gives 1 rank every 8 minutes….

TexZero.7910:

Heck i wouldn’t be surprised to say you could get 10-15 ranks in 2hrs of play just seeking out dailies and escorting yaks.

That would get you maybe half a rank. Maybe. Depends on what you’d need to do to get those dailies, because dailies themselves give no wxp.

You don’t play WvW much, do you?

Astralporing.1957:

TexZero.7910:

Heck i wouldn’t be surprised to say you could get 10-15 ranks in 2hrs of play just seeking out dailies and escorting yaks.

That would get you maybe half a rank. Maybe. Depends on what you’d need to do to get those dailies, because dailies themselves give no wxp.

You don’t play WvW much, do you?

Rank 1444 you tell me ?

It’s almost like you all complain about ranks being hard but don’t realize just how dang easy they are to get.

SkyShroud.2865:

WvW leveling can get through blobbing, yep, no doubt. The question is the time to get it.

So by that logic my 5 year bday present in August will mean more than the WvW rewards? Fine by me xD

I would w8 1 year for the mistforged armor to be the legendary armor. About the reank requirements idk i feel like even droping it at 1k-1,3k would be overall better. Or idk keep the rank by uncap the diamont chest rewards.

No, no and no. It’s not worth being a legendary. Besides www is just a boring 50v50 pvp pve fest…