Guild Wars 2

ZudetGambeous.9573:

It isn’t surprising that sales are up. The game is pretty much full on P2W now. If you don’t pay you will quickly fall behind other players.

Also the game still has had no competition to draw players away. Whatever report follows a few months after ESO and Wildstar release will be the one to watch for the real health of the game.

all claims of pay to win are invalid because gems can be bought using in game gold.

both games you mentioned require a monthly subscription.

the majority of guild wars 2 players play guild wars 2 due to the no monthly subscription system.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

It isn’t surprising that sales are up. The game is pretty much full on P2W now. If you don’t pay you will quickly fall behind other players.

Also the game still has had no competition to draw players away. Whatever report follows a few months after ESO and Wildstar release will be the one to watch for the real health of the game.

all claims of pay to win are invalid because gems can be bought using in game gold.

both games you mentioned require a monthly subscription.

the majority of guild wars 2 players play guild wars 2 due to the no monthly subscription system.

Don’t forget to highlight the poignant fact about the Guild Wars 2 economy; the fastest way to earn gold is from gems.

Never forget that time is more valuable than any amount of gold or modern currency.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

ZudetGambeous.9573:

It isn’t surprising that sales are up. The game is pretty much full on P2W now. If you don’t pay you will quickly fall behind other players.

Also the game still has had no competition to draw players away. Whatever report follows a few months after ESO and Wildstar release will be the one to watch for the real health of the game.

all claims of pay to win are invalid because gems can be bought using in game gold.

both games you mentioned require a monthly subscription.

the majority of guild wars 2 players play guild wars 2 due to the no monthly subscription system.

I’d like to see a list of MMORPGs that get their money solely from the box price and expansions. No subscription fee and no cash shop. And before it’s said, the original Guild Wars added a cash shop, so it doesn’t count. Besides, nobody can even say for sure it could be called a MMORPG.

Judge Banks.9018:

Don’t forget to highlight the poignant fact about the Guild Wars 2 economy; the fastest way to earn gold is from gems.

Never forget that time is more valuable than any amount of gold or modern currency.

those who wishes to pay real dollars, saves time.
those who do not wishes to pay real dollars, spends time.

it is just that simple.

many other true “pay to win” games do not allow cash store purchases via in game currency. guild wars 2 allows that, plus, the guild wars 2 cash shop is not pay to win.

the guild wars 2 gem store offers convenience, it does not makes your characters any stronger than other players’ characters who did not buy from the gem store.

TChalla.7146:

I’d like to see a list of MMORPGs that get their money solely from the box price and expansions. No subscription fee and no cash shop. And before it’s said, the original Guild Wars added a cash shop, so it doesn’t count. Besides, nobody can even say for sure it could be called a MMORPG.

the original guild wars 1 is never marketed as a MMORPG.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guild_Wars
“it was marketed as competitive online role-playing game.”

as for your request, no, that is not feasible at all.

it is not possible to sustain a MMORPG alone with just from starter box and expansion boxes.

the cash shop is required in order to sustain the game.

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

TChalla.7146:

I’d like to see a list of MMORPGs that get their money solely from the box price and expansions. No subscription fee and no cash shop. And before it’s said, the original Guild Wars added a cash shop, so it doesn’t count. Besides, nobody can even say for sure it could be called a MMORPG.

the original guild wars 1 is never marketed as a MMORPG.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guild_Wars
“it was marketed as competitive online role-playing game.”

as for your request, no, that is not feasible at all.

it is not possible to sustain a MMORPG alone with just from starter box and expansion boxes.

the cash shop is required in order to sustain the game.

That’s pretty much the way I see it too. However, there are certain individuals that think it can be done. “The cash shop is the devil!!! Let me buy an expansion!!!”

chemiclord.3978:

They have no plans for a boxed expansion set… no. Then again, they’ve ALWAYS been lukewarm at best on a traditional expansion model for GW2 anyway.

They didn’t say they have no plans for expansion in the conference call anyway.
They said that at the moment they aren’t ready to talk about it and are debating how such an expansion would be released.

Basically NCSoft is saying what Anet has been saying for the last couple of months when they changed their stance “from unlikely” to “we are working on other projects in the background”.

Let me remind everyone that for a while NCSoft in their conference calls was talking about GW2 expansion plans while Anet was trying to focus on the Living Story and so dismissing any plans for expansion, even though straight after release they were talking about expansions.

I guess then Anet saw the cash shop revenue and decided that they could have a big Live Team.

Again, if all that those 350 Anet people are doing is what we see in the Live Game, they would be a bunch of unproductive lazy guys.

TChalla.7146:

Deimos Tel Arin.7391:

TChalla.7146:

I’d like to see a list of MMORPGs that get their money solely from the box price and expansions. No subscription fee and no cash shop. And before it’s said, the original Guild Wars added a cash shop, so it doesn’t count. Besides, nobody can even say for sure it could be called a MMORPG.

the original guild wars 1 is never marketed as a MMORPG.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guild_Wars
“it was marketed as competitive online role-playing game.”

as for your request, no, that is not feasible at all.

it is not possible to sustain a MMORPG alone with just from starter box and expansion boxes.

the cash shop is required in order to sustain the game.

That’s pretty much the way I see it too. However, there are certain individuals that think it can be done. “The cash shop is the devil!!! Let me buy an expansion!!!”

People like to bash the Living Story, but if during this year and so there was no Living Story, people would be bashing the game for lack of any new content at all.

I’ve played games with microtransactions since 2002 (Gunbound). Have played games with microtransactions since. It’s the best business model an online game could have. There’s absolutely no reason to chain yourself to a game through a subscription fee. Instead, you can choose whether you want to support the game or not through purchasing in-game items.

Through all those dozens of (mostly terrible) games, GW2’s cash shop has certainly been the best about not selling power. I was actually mildly surprised and disappointed at first, that it didn’t, having been so used to the F2PP2W model. Admittedly, my first purchase with gems was conversion to gold. Very much worth it too.

I wouldn’t mind paying for that VIP thing that was data mined in one of the beta test clients either.

TChalla.7146:

tolunart.2095:

GrandmaFunk.3052:

ps: the gem store picks/axes/scythes are closer to being pay-to-lose than pay-to-win.

you could spend the same number of gems on gold and buy WAY more of those resources on the TP whereas it would take over a decade of daily harvesting to ever get your money’s worth out of the extra sprockets

But… when sprockets are only obtainable from mining picks, the price will shoot to 50s or more per sprocket, making them so much more valuable… only those players who bought the picks will be able to make money. It’ll pay for itself within the next month, honest! P2Win! !!!!one!one!eleven!

I predict closer to 1 gold per sprocket, since everyone that bought the picks will get together and fix the price by hoarding all of the sprockets in their bank/guild bank and only release so many to the public at a time, creating a false supply of said item.

/tinfoil hat

Except for those of us who earned a watchwork node in our home instances through pure PvE play without spending any gems.

Can’t wait, since I have stacks and stacks and stacks of sprockets!

shogei.8015:

TChalla.7146:

tolunart.2095:

GrandmaFunk.3052:

ps: the gem store picks/axes/scythes are closer to being pay-to-lose than pay-to-win.

you could spend the same number of gems on gold and buy WAY more of those resources on the TP whereas it would take over a decade of daily harvesting to ever get your money’s worth out of the extra sprockets

But… when sprockets are only obtainable from mining picks, the price will shoot to 50s or more per sprocket, making them so much more valuable… only those players who bought the picks will be able to make money. It’ll pay for itself within the next month, honest! P2Win! !!!!one!one!eleven!

I predict closer to 1 gold per sprocket, since everyone that bought the picks will get together and fix the price by hoarding all of the sprockets in their bank/guild bank and only release so many to the public at a time, creating a false supply of said item.

/tinfoil hat

Except for those of us who earned a watchwork node in our home instances through pure PvE play without spending any gems.

And I’ll happily sell the ones I mine every day

Devata.6589:

Not playing it lot. Hoping for better times. Don’t spend, never have spend and never will spend a dime on gems because I don’t want to support the destruction of the game.

That’s some great logic you got there, buddy.

“Pfft, I’m not going to give this company one red cent because that would contribute to the game’s destruction, I’ll just keep helping them pay their bills by playing their game for free, that way they are sure to succeed! I was a liberal arts major, why do you ask?”

Ashen.2907:

Devata.6589:

Thats how they design the game, pay to have fun. And you fall for it.

Paying for what you want and receive is not something to, “fall for.”

Its pretty sad when paying for something you want is portrayed as some sort of trick that you fall for. But hey, why should I fall for that whole, “pay to have,” a roof over my head, or, “pay to have,” food on the table, or, “pay to,” have a car to drive. Falling for that trick of not getting what I want for free is lame !

By the way, the only games out there that are not, “pay to have fun,” are those where the fun of the non payers is being subsidized by those who do pay.

Making the game a gold grind and then selling gold to provide a short cut is a trick Nothing more nothing less. Plus they take away part of the fun by making it grindy what fits with the “pay to have fun” where I of course talk about gem payments.

Making items temporary available creates a sense of urgency. Very old trick in the marketing business. So once again just a trick, nothing more and nothing less.

Of course it might be things that people want but at the same things people would maybe not buy Anet without using those tricks.

You don’t want so see, don’t like to know about it or maybe you fall for the tricks yourself and don’t want to admit that. All fine but doesn’t change the facts.

Devata.6589:

timidobserver.7925:

Wow, some of you guys are really tagging the heck out of that cash shop. They are making an insane amount of money.

Not everybody is able to handle money. Anet uses some tactics to get people to buy gems. Make everything a grind to get people to buy gems and put items in the cash-shop temporary so they buy it before it’s gone, RNG for those with gambling problems.

Just marketing tricks and some people easily fall for it.

I doubt most of you complain about how people pay to go to a movie, a netflix sub, cable, or any other non-tangible expense.

I don’t pay for any of those beside netflix, so tossing a bit of money toward gems here and there is a much cheaper frivolity than a monthly cable bill. It supports a game that I like.

“Oh but it’s a trick!” They’re not tricking me into buying an extra bank slot or a pick. I’m willingly choosing to punt them a few dollars, same as me choosing to buy any other thing that’s marketed at me. I don’t NEED an extra pair of shoes. I don’t NEED that sushi. I don’t NEED an iced mocha, or a stick of chewing gum, or…

TChalla.7146:

Devata.6589:

Not playing it lot. Hoping for better times. Don’t spend, never have spend and never will spend a dime on gems because I don’t want to support the destruction of the game.

I do talk about more things but if it’s gem-store related I do post this indeed. It’s what I see as the biggest problem for the game. Not so much the love for the expansions but the dislike for the influence the focus on the cash-shop has. But I told you that before many times.

And I am not surprised you are one of the gem-buyers. Thats how they design the game, pay to have fun. And you fall for it.

However no worries. I have said what had to been said. I said it long enough and often enough. I will not be posting much more on new threads. Will mainly react on comment on my comment and I will keep an eye on the CDI.

@Vol
As you see, TChalla is also aware I do have those same statement for a longer time. It’s not that I now say this because I want to be negative about it so I now say higher numbers are bad. It’s simply something I have been saying for a long time as TChalla’s reactions proofs.

You totally misunderstood what Vol was saying. But whatever.

As far as me “falling for” buying gems because I happen to enjoy the game as it sits, you can think what you want about it. I don’t have a problem buying things like extra bank slots, the extra bag slot or extra character slots. It beats having to pay a monthly subscription fee and also beats having to pay $60 for an expansion. I buy what I want and don’t buy what I don’t want.

Well I am very happy for you. BTW for a B2P game (not for a sub game) I can live with alt slots and even bank slots I could sort of be oke with(not really but if that would be the only thing next to char slots and the other ‘out of game’ thinks like a name changer that I would not complain). As a matter of fact, in the first couple months I wanted to buy one gem-card for alts and maybe a bank but just as I planned to buy it (because I needed extra tabs) I noticed the direction GW2 was going in. It was then that I decided never to spend a dime in this shop even not for the items I do agree with (like char tabs).

Anyway, while you might be happy with it I’m not and I also told you it all depends on your play-style, what you like to do in the game. But thats something you don’t seem to be willing to understand. As you see in the comments just below my comment multiple people feel the same, it’s not just me.

Sylv.5324:

Devata.6589:

timidobserver.7925:

Wow, some of you guys are really tagging the heck out of that cash shop. They are making an insane amount of money.

Not everybody is able to handle money. Anet uses some tactics to get people to buy gems. Make everything a grind to get people to buy gems and put items in the cash-shop temporary so they buy it before it’s gone, RNG for those with gambling problems.

Just marketing tricks and some people easily fall for it.

I doubt most of you complain about how people pay to go to a movie, a netflix sub, cable, or any other non-tangible expense.

I don’t pay for any of those beside netflix, so tossing a bit of money toward gems here and there is a much cheaper frivolity than a monthly cable bill. It supports a game that I like.

Don’t want to start the discussion all over again in this thread so I will keep it thort.

The problem I have with it is not that I don’t want to support a game.. I am asking for expansions and I would buy those.. now I am not paying anything so I am asking for a way to pay.

Problem is that the focus on the cash-shop has an influence on the game itself. You don’t just ‘support’ the game you change the game. They base there income on gems so the whole game then depends on that. That means they NEED to sell gems and that means they will have to find ways to get you to buy gems.

I already gave examples of making the game a gold grind and making items temporary. That are all elements I do not like about the game and are directly linked to that focus. Is that reason I don’t like it.

In normal life I would just as well look at what I am supporting and how.

I will leave it with this. This is not the thread to talk more about this. Want to chat more about it leave a comment on my thread here: https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/A-focus-on-micro-transactions/page/3#post3593248

I don’t have an issue with anything they sell in the store. My only grumble is that I believe they should also make more in-game armor. Yes, I understand it costs resources, but part of the appeal of a GW game (due to horizontal prog) is the ability to play dress-up. I am bored with my current armor sets and there aren’t that many options (for a male clothie).